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Author Topic: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?  (Read 483255 times)

Offline conradelektro

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #930 on: May 24, 2013, 04:39:25 PM »

I late last year attended with a friend a demonstration of some of the "boards" in California. Itseung888 was online via Skype. None showed any signs of over unity and when the batteries were removed the caps ran down. I was going to order one to test in our lab for the purposes of showing the results on some high end equipment with people who know what they are doing when it comes to measurement. What followed was even more astonishing. We were sent an email where it stated I and my friend were so impressed we were to fly to Asia to form a business relationship. I let my friend deal with that (I am not using his name). I did not bother to proceed with any testing after that.
This may not be of any use to anyone but I felt since you were asking.
PS I love these little circuits and all the fun experimenters have with them, I am even testing a few in our water battery technologies. Bottom line...no over-unity.
Kind Regards
Mark

@Mark:

You must have looked many "self declared OU-inventors" into the eyes? What is driving them? (It is obvious what is driving a fraudster, I am interested in the not so straight forward fraudster.)

Is it "craving for recognition"? Is it good old "psychosis" in all its variety? Is it "bipolar disorder"?

Greetings, Conrad

P.S.: Like many people in Vienna, I am a Hobby-Freudian. Hobby-Freudians are not dangerous, they mainly analyse themselves.

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #930 on: May 24, 2013, 04:39:25 PM »

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #931 on: May 24, 2013, 08:02:23 PM »
@Conrad: congratulations on your sidewalk hobby! You (and Mark D.) might be interested to read the latest manifestation of the psychosis you are looking at, here:
http://www.energy-shiftingparadigms.com/index.php/topic,2313.msg4180.html

Offline conradelektro

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #932 on: May 24, 2013, 08:17:21 PM »
@Conrad: congratulations on your sidewalk hobby! You (and Mark D.) might be interested to read the latest manifestation of the psychosis you are looking at, here:
http://www.energy-shiftingparadigms.com/index.php/topic,2313.msg4180.html

Wow, if I had written these posts (http://www.energy-shiftingparadigms.com/index.php/topic,2313.msg4180.html from a Flower blooming on the tip of Africa) I would self-diagnose as in need of strong medication.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #932 on: May 24, 2013, 08:17:21 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #933 on: May 26, 2013, 08:04:54 PM »
It's the three Sherrys before lunch that does it, I'm afraid.


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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #934 on: May 26, 2013, 08:09:29 PM »
Lawrence, I have been trying to find out more about your REX Dual Timer.

The REX brand is well-known in the timer and temperature-regulation industry. They make many different timing relay devices and controllers. But I can't find your exact model in any of the on-line literature from them. Similar models are shown but perhaps your Dual Timer is only available in your area.

Can you at least open it up and take a couple of good photographs of both sides of its circuit board, so that we can get an idea of how it is operating, whether it uses relays or mosfets, whether it has a switchmode or transformer-style power supply, etc?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #934 on: May 26, 2013, 08:09:29 PM »
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Offline ltseung888

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #935 on: May 27, 2013, 12:28:06 AM »
Spent a few hours with Dr. Raymond Ting.  He showed me his confidential wireless Joule Thief.  The picking up of electrical energy was not a surprise to him.  His technique may be similar to:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhHhV4qutyA
 
How can we ensure our JT does not pick up electrical energy from outside? or
 
How can we pick up as much energy as possible from outside?

Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #936 on: May 27, 2013, 02:27:57 AM »
Spent a few hours with Dr. Raymond Ting.  He showed me his confidential wireless Joule Thief.  The picking up of electrical energy was not a surprise to him.  His technique may be similar to:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhHhV4qutyA
 
How can we ensure our JT does not pick up electrical energy from outside? or
 
How can we pick up as much energy as possible from outside?

Well, you could run and test alll of your JT circuits inside a Faraday cage and that would eliminate outside power sources.  But, to me, if I have a circuit that runs by itself, even if the power is man-made from some RF source, it is still "free to me" energy as the radio station does not have to pay a penny more because I am running a light from their output.  In your case with the O.U. claims, it would be good to eliminate outside man-made sources.  However, after that, if it turns out to be man-made sources, I would not fault anyone from using it as it is like picking up stuff that others have thrown away.

Bill

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #936 on: May 27, 2013, 02:27:57 AM »
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Offline markdansie

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #937 on: May 27, 2013, 06:30:14 AM »
Bill is 100% correct a Faraday's cage is the way to go. You might get a water tight one and put it underwater as well lol.
You may also want to try temperature variations.
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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #938 on: May 28, 2013, 12:02:01 PM »
@Conrad: congratulations on your sidewalk hobby! You (and Mark D.) might be interested to read the latest manifestation of the psychosis you are looking at, here:
http://www.energy-shiftingparadigms.com/index.php/topic,2313.msg4180.html
I guess I can wear the fact I am out of favor with her as another badge of honor.
I could dig up all the email referring to you, and I remember more than one Skype call with her laying down the law regarding you.
I see even Sterling getting flamed a little lol.
Kind Regards

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #938 on: May 28, 2013, 12:02:01 PM »
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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #939 on: May 28, 2013, 01:05:55 PM »
I guess I can wear the fact I am out of favor with her as another badge of honor.
I could dig up all the email referring to you, and I remember more than one Skype call with her laying down the law regarding you.
I see even Sterling getting flamed a little lol.
Kind Regards

Look at what the idiot is flailing about now. She posts two pictures on PESN, and I downloaded them and enlarged portions of them. Now she is pissing all over herself, making accusations and threats and displaying for everyone to see just how utterly and vapidly STUPID she really is.
"Not actually".... the foolish old woman just makes stuff up, and can't even manage her own information.

Here are the photographs that AINSLIE HERSELF posted or sent to Sterling to post:
http://pesn.com/2013/05/22/9602322_Rosemary-Ainslie_Planning_Public-Demo_of_her_Free-Energy-Circuit_June-1/Rosemary-Ainslie-circuit_2013-05-22-1089_400.jpg
http://pesn.com/2013/05/22/9602322_Rosemary-Ainslie_Planning_Public-Demo_of_her_Free-Energy-Circuit_June-1/Rosemary-Ainslie-circuit_2013-05-22-1089_rd.jpg
http://pesn.com/2013/05/22/9602322_Rosemary-Ainslie_Planning_Public-Demo_of_her_Free-Energy-Circuit_June-1/Rosemary-Ainslie-circuit_2013-05-22-1090_400.jpg
http://pesn.com/2013/05/22/9602322_Rosemary-Ainslie_Planning_Public-Demo_of_her_Free-Energy-Circuit_June-1/Rosemary-Ainslie-circuit_2013-05-22-1090_rd.jpg

Surely anyone with half a brain can see that these can be freely downloaded by ANYONE, and can be displayed at their full resolution, and ANYONE can take crops from these pictures, and ANYONE can analyze and annotate them at will. That is what happens, AINSLIE, when YOU upload something from your computer to the internet.  COME ON.... Bring on your "proper authorities". I laugh at you, and so will they, when they see the sum total of your idiocy, libel, and insulting ignorance.

"BRYAN LITTLE"..... the idiot still can't even get her basic facts straight. She has NEVER produced a trace of evidence or support for her continuing fantasy that I am someone called Brian or Bryan Little, and every time she utters that name she sticks her foot further and further down her own throat.

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Not actually.  Not even close.  There were other recipients of those PRECISE photographs.  And your own photographs PRECISELY MATCH those in my 'in box'. I have sent those photographs to NO-ONE.
There were other recipients, but you sent those photographs to NO-ONE. Which is it, you lying mendacious troll?  You don't even know, yourself.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #940 on: May 28, 2013, 01:26:06 PM »
I guess I can wear the fact I am out of favor with her as another badge of honor.
I could dig up all the email referring to you, and I remember more than one Skype call with her laying down the law regarding you.
I see even Sterling getting flamed a little lol.
Kind Regards

So Rosemary Ainslie has tried to negatively influence your opinion of me verbally and in print, by making statements that are provably false (like this "Bryan Little" nonsense that she keeps spouting). I hope you've preserved those records.

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
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Offline ltseung888

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #941 on: May 29, 2013, 08:39:08 AM »
Picked up two 2n3055 prototype Boards from Mr. Zhou.  The Input Voltage can be 12V.  In the example, Ch2 Vrms was greater than 500mV - much higher than the noise level or around 5mV.
 
The COP was 0.44.  No spikes nor crossing of 0 reference line seen.  The Atten ADS 1062 CAL was used.  It looks like the Atten is acceptable at such measurement values.

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #942 on: May 29, 2013, 04:48:39 PM »
While waiting for the Tektronics and the the experts to tune and use it, I decided to document the crossing of the 0 ref line on Board 132.  A 6 minute video will be posted at youtube.
 
I also included a photo at the lab of Dr. Raymond Ting.  The Spikes were very noticeable.
 
There may be the possibility that the Tektronics will not show the same shift.  But we shall see.  There is always the possibility of picking up electrosmog as the lead-out energy.....
 
*** Added the picture that caused excitement and confusion in the first place.  The picture was the crossing of 0 ref line by Input Current on the Atten.  The problem was suspected to be "DC Offset Error" on the Atten.  It is included for record keeping purposes.  Readers should NOT take the waveform as demonstrating OU...
« Last Edit: May 30, 2013, 01:05:08 AM by ltseung888 »

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #943 on: May 30, 2013, 05:46:22 PM »
Lawrence, I am glad to see that you are becoming more skeptical and are toning down your claims somewhat. Extraordinary claims require an extraordinary level of support from experimental evidence, and if the evidence is questionable so then are the claims.

Meanwhile, you and Dr. Ting might be interested in my various wireless JTs. Of course these require an actual wireless power transmitter to operate properly, but that is also a very simple and easy circuit to make.

For example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5wbyAwgeO8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYhISYeWGTo

Sohei Thoth has also done a lot of work with air core JTs and wireless coupling. Check it out!

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #944 on: May 31, 2013, 02:59:52 AM »
Lawrence, I am glad to see that you are becoming more skeptical and are toning down your claims somewhat. Extraordinary claims require an extraordinary level of support from experimental evidence, and if the evidence is questionable so then are the claims.

Meanwhile, you and Dr. Ting might be interested in my various wireless JTs. Of course these require an actual wireless power transmitter to operate properly, but that is also a very simple and easy circuit to make.

For example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5wbyAwgeO8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYhISYeWGTo

Sohei Thoth has also done a lot of work with air core JTs and wireless coupling. Check it out!

After I saw the much higher spikes when the "electrosmog or the wireless transmission" devices were turned on,  I was more inclined to believe that the Zhou circuits happened to pick up such energy.  It is still a form of using energy from the environment.  I think even with your old analog oscilloscope, you can see more spikes if you do something similar.  Most probably the Tektronics will display the same thing. 
 
We may be able to have the Atten and the Tektronics side-by-side.  The environmental factors will be very similar.
 
Some supporters are proposing to run a summer course/seminar for students - they believe it will be beneficial educationally even if the devices are not OU.  One suggested competition is on how long a new AA battery can light X LEDs at Y1 to Y2 level of brightness.  They are working on the rules and prizes.

 

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