Language: 
To browser these website, it's necessary to store cookies on your computer.
The cookies contain no personal information, they are required for program control.
  the storage of cookies while browsing this website, on Login and Register.

GDPR and DSGVO law

Storing Cookies (See : http://ec.europa.eu/ipg/basics/legal/cookies/index_en.htm ) help us to bring you our services at overunity.com . If you use this website and our services you declare yourself okay with using cookies .More Infos here:
https://overunity.com/5553/privacy-policy/
If you do not agree with storing cookies, please LEAVE this website now. From the 25th of May 2018, every existing user has to accept the GDPR agreement at first login. If a user is unwilling to accept the GDPR, he should email us and request to erase his account. Many thanks for your understanding.
Amazon Warehouse Deals ! Now even more Deep Discounts ! Check out these great prices on slightly used or just opened once only items.I always buy my gadgets via these great Warehouse deals ! Highly recommended ! Many thanks for supporting OverUnity.com this way.

User Menu

Tesla Paper

Free Energy Book

Get paid

Donations

Please Donate for the Forum.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.(Admin)

A-Ads

Powerbox

Smartbox

3D Solar

3D Solar Panels

DC2DC converter

Micro JouleThief

FireMatch

FireMatch

CCKnife

CCKnife

CCTool

CCTool

Magpi Magazine

Magpi Magazine Free Rasberry Pi Magazine

Battery Recondition

Battery Recondition

Arduino

Ultracaps

YT Subscribe

Gravity Machines

Tesla-Ebook

Magnet Secrets

Lindemann Video

Navigation

Products

Products

WaterMotor kit

Statistics


  • *Total Posts: 893843
  • *Total Topics: 15704
  • *Online Today: 44
  • *Most Online: 103
(December 19, 2006, 11:27:19 PM)
  • *Users: 2
  • *Guests: 14
  • *Total: 16

Author Topic: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?  (Read 466051 times)

Offline ltseung888

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4363
Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #165 on: December 07, 2012, 12:49:19 AM »
you seem to have great difficulty 'duplicating' a lot of these JT circuits... you cannot 'duplicate' gadget's, you cannot 'duplicate' lasersaber's, etc., etc.

anyone else notice this pattern?

In this field of FLEET research, a different component, a different connection, a different power source etc. can make a big difference.  Note that I use FLEET and not JT.  JT is easy to reproduce.  FLEET is NOT - overunity is only achieved at certain frequencies and conditions.  TK's refusal to accept an already tried and tested unit makes his research very difficult.  His lack of financial resources also make him impossible to exactly replicate every detail.

His assumption that his old 5V 3F capacitor will work in the same way as the 2.3V 10F capacitor is an example.  Instead of testing my claim with my prototype, he wants the testers to test HIS prototype side-by-side with mine.  Due to his lack of financial resources, he wants the tester to replace the capacitor for the tests.  I talked to one of the testers and his remark was to ignore TK.

I enjoy and respect his posts.  His recommendation of using DC coupling was a great help to my work.  It helped to narrow down the exact instant when output > input.

The Forever Lighted Lamp research no long relied on trial and error.  Thanks to his enlightenment.

I shall meet with the owners of G-LED and BSI in the next few days.  The Forever Lighted Lamp is likely to be the killer application that will convince both experts and layman.  There is no need for argument or comments when the customer does not need to pay any electricity bills.
 
The Divine Wine is here.

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #165 on: December 07, 2012, 12:49:19 AM »

Offline WilbyInebriated

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3143
Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #166 on: December 07, 2012, 01:47:49 AM »
Note that I use FLEET and not JT.
your semantic argument is asinine. a rose by any other name is still a rose... ::)

There is no need for argument or comments when the customer does not need to pay any electricity bills.
yeah... ::) let us know when you manage to accomplish that...  ;)
 
The Divine Wine is here.
and you have obviously had too much.

Offline TinselKoala

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13968
Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #167 on: December 07, 2012, 08:44:37 AM »
All right, I'm done with you lot. I've tried to help you Lawrence but apparently you do not need my help....even though you have been making great mistakes all along, as your "ac coupling" error shows. I should think that would have humbled you a little bit.

It takes my circuit, as configured now, driving a bank of 24 white LEDs in series-parallel as shown in my last video, over eleven minutes to run down from 1.500 volts charge on the 3 Farad capacitor, to 0.500 volts remaining. The bank of LEDs is dim at that point but by no means dark. I think that if one recharged at 0.750 volts....that would be at around 8 minutes for me with my old 3 F, 5.5 V capacitors .... one might not notice the dimming over the operational period. I wonder how long it would take if I had a 10 F capacitor, and a Platinum Visa card, like you. I think it would be more like 24 minutes, or even more.... but that's a conjecture, not a claim. I know better than to make claims for which I do not have solid evidence.

Have fun. We'll never know if your circuit outperforms mine or not, will we.

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #167 on: December 07, 2012, 08:44:37 AM »
Sponsored links:




Offline WilbyInebriated

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3143
Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #168 on: December 07, 2012, 09:12:12 AM »
We'll never know if your circuit outperforms mine or not, will we.
guess not... when you're such a quitter. ;)

Offline Johan_1955

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 319
Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #169 on: December 07, 2012, 10:18:09 AM »

At least he can QUIT, because he is sharing.


Before you can do that, simple thing of quitting, you have first have to start / contributing!?


Regards, Johan

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #169 on: December 07, 2012, 10:18:09 AM »
Sponsored links:




Offline WilbyInebriated

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3143
Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #170 on: December 07, 2012, 12:20:50 PM »
Before you can do that, simple thing of quitting, you have first have to start / contributing!?
which is why i was able to QUIT as well...  ;)

regards... ::)

Offline ltseung888

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4363
Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #171 on: December 07, 2012, 12:56:35 PM »
All right, I'm done with you lot. I've tried to help you Lawrence but apparently you do not need my help....even though you have been making great mistakes all along, as your "ac coupling" error shows. I should think that would have humbled you a little bit.

*** That error got me to focus on the voltage fluctuations when I used the battery or the DC Power Supply.  I claimed that the FLEET circuit could produce pulsing voltages back to the Input.  That led me to develop FLEET with "wrong COP" values in the thousands.  On redoing the measurement with DC Coupling, those "wrong COP" FLEETs still give COP>1 with certain frequencies.  The researchers that never make that mistake might never go on that path as they gave up when they saw the COP<1 value.  It is an example I called God's Blessing.  Thanks for pointing out that error before the Universities.  However, I am sure that with the oscilloscope-test-ready board in front of them, they will easily detect the COP>1 situations.
*** The AC coupling got me into the investigation of NEGATIVE POWER much earlier.  Is that another Divine Blessing???


It takes my circuit, as configured now, driving a bank of 24 white LEDs in series-parallel as shown in my last video, over eleven minutes to run down from 1.500 volts charge on the 3 Farad capacitor, to 0.500 volts remaining. The bank of LEDs is dim at that point but by no means dark. I think that if one recharged at 0.750 volts....that would be at around 8 minutes for me with my old 3 F, 5.5 V capacitors .... one might not notice the dimming over the operational period.
 
*** If you have a twin timer, charge the circuit for 3 seconds and then turn off the power for 3 minutes and repeat, you will probably find that your lights appear to be bright all the time.  If you reharge another rechargeable battery at the same time with the appropriate circuitary, you will be able to compete with G-LED and BSI on their Forever Lighted Lamps.  However, they already applied for patents.
 
I wonder how long it would take if I had a 10 F capacitor, and a Platinum Visa card, like you. I think it would be more like 24 minutes, or even more.... but that's a conjecture, not a claim. I know better than to make claims for which I do not have solid evidence.
***  So you know that our claim of the demo board from BSI can light up 38 LEDS for an average of over 20 minutes is no exaggeration.  Hudreds of people have seen and played with it already.  Get a 2.3V 10F capacitor. Use your DSO and do your correct measurements with a DC power supply.  You will find that charging your circuit with even 0.4V for < 3 seconds, a single LED circuit can be ON for over 20 minutes.  Your 4 channel DSO will immediately show COP > 1 at some point over these 20 minutes.  I envy you for having such - you do not need to do the many hours of EXCEL analysis afterwards.

Have fun. We'll never know if your circuit outperforms mine or not, will we.

I am sure your results will show similar support that the COP >1 under certain conditions as the 30 top Universities will.  Once we all master the technique of staying on such conditions and use the resulting lead-out energy, there is no World Energy Crisis.  Patrick Kelly's book is a great help.
 
May the Almighty guide us to benefit the World.

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #171 on: December 07, 2012, 12:56:35 PM »
Sponsored links:




Offline ltseung888

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4363
Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #172 on: December 07, 2012, 01:24:13 PM »
Instead of rechargeable Battery A and B.  Use Capacitor A and B.
*** Recharge at the lead-out energy range..... Use DC coupling on your DSO to confirm.  Thanks to TK.
 
The Forever Lighted Lamps only require a battery to start.  (May even use a hand crank unit).
 
I shall try it out on my Christmas lights.  You can too.
*** The components in the Lead-out Energy Research Kit can demonstrate the Forever Lighted Lamp if the user use himself as the timer and the swapper!  Providing two 2.3V 10F capacitors in the Kit turns out to be another "lucky decision"?  Or is it Divine Guidance???
 
All Glory to the Almighty.
« Last Edit: December 07, 2012, 10:27:08 PM by ltseung888 »

Offline nievesoliveras

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1996
Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #173 on: December 07, 2012, 10:28:25 PM »
@tseung888


Will you send me an already tried and tested unit, if I pm you my mail address?


Jesus

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #173 on: December 07, 2012, 10:28:25 PM »
3D Solar Panels

Offline bs2012

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 18
Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #174 on: December 08, 2012, 03:53:25 AM »
Instead of rechargeable Battery A and B.  Use Capacitor A and B.
*** Recharge at the lead-out energy range..... Use DC coupling on your DSO to confirm.  Thanks to TK.
 
The Forever Lighted Lamps only require a battery to start.  (May even use a hand crank unit).
 
I shall try it out on my Christmas lights.  You can too.
*** The components in the Lead-out Energy Research Kit can demonstrate the Forever Lighted Lamp if the user use himself as the timer and the swapper!  Providing two 2.3V 10F capacitors in the Kit turns out to be another "lucky decision"?  Or is it Divine Guidance???
 
All Glory to the Almighty.

Hi Lawrence,

Can I purchase your fleet kit / Forever Lighted Lamp?  I could pick them up from your Tsuen Wan office or any other location in Hong Kong.  Please let me know the price.

Offline ltseung888

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4363
Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #175 on: December 08, 2012, 01:44:03 PM »
@tseung888


Will you send me an already tried and tested unit, if I pm you my mail address?


Jesus
Have you got one or two DSO?  What make are they?  The connection instructions are slightly different.
Will you be willing to post your results on this forum?
I shall test it and post the results here first.  Your results will be a direct confirmation.  You can then do the improvement later.
God Bless

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #175 on: December 08, 2012, 01:44:03 PM »
3D Solar Panels

Offline ltseung888

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4363
Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #176 on: December 08, 2012, 01:48:39 PM »
Hi Lawrence,

Can I purchase your fleet kit / Forever Lighted Lamp?  I could pick them up from your Tsuen Wan office or any other location in Hong Kong.  Please let me know the price.
The business people are working on the marketing strategy and pricing.
However, you can be one of the local testers for one of the units for the Universities.  There is no charge if you help in performing the tests.  It is all volunteers at present.  You may get a free meal.
Email me at ltseung@hotmal.com.

Offline nievesoliveras

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1996
Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #177 on: December 09, 2012, 12:29:52 AM »
Have you got one or two DSO?  What make are they?  The connection instructions are slightly different.
Will you be willing to post your results on this forum?
I shall test it and post the results here first.  Your results will be a direct confirmation.  You can then do the improvement later.
God Bless
I dont think that in order to prove that your devise is overunity I need the DSO.
A joule thief is so sensitive sometimes that connecting it to a DSO will give it extra power.
Just by turning it on without the DSO and let it be, you can see if it is really overunity.


Jesus

Offline ltseung888

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4363
Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #178 on: December 09, 2012, 07:28:12 AM »
The Input Waveforms showing that the Input Power turned negative after 7 minutes. 
The top curve was the Instantaneous Voltage.  It slowly dropped down with time as expected.
The bottom curve was the Instantaneous Current.  The fluctation got less and it slowly dropped down and actually turned negative.
 
The Instantaneous Input Power thus turned negative.  Conclusive evidence???
 
*** Average Negative power implied Feedback Circuit.  More energy went back to source than supplied!!!  This is the magic of Lead-out Energy.
 
*** More conclusive evidence and oscilloscope data will be coming.  This will be a very Merry Christmas for the World - especially the free energy researchers.

Offline MileHigh

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7600
Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #179 on: December 09, 2012, 08:30:26 AM »
TK and Bill:

Just to complete the point about resonance from two weeks ago.

How does a 555 timer work?  Current from the supply source flows through a resistance to charge up a capacitor.  When the capacitor reaches 2/3 of the supply voltage a comparitor is triggered and the capacitor is discharged and the process starts all over again.  So the value of the resistance and the value of the capacitance determine the operating frequency for a 555 configured as an astable multivibrator.

Now, would you call that "resonance?"  It's not resonance and it has nothing to do with resonance.  It's just the "operating frequency" of the device that is determined by the timing components.

By the same token, a JT has an "operating frequency" that is determined by the values of certain components.  For all intents and purposes a JT is just an astable multivibrator that charges an inductor and then discharges the inductor through a load that is typically an LED or a string of LEDs.

Again, as a reminder, real "resonance" means that energy is circulating back and forth between an inductive and a capacitive set of circuit elements.  It could be an electrical LC tank circuit, a ringing bell, or when you blow air across the top of a beer bottle to make it sound a note.

Resonance is always associated with observing increased voltage and increased current in an LC tank circuit.  People see that and they think that perhaps "extra energy" or "extra power" is somehow manifesting itself when in fact that's not true.  An LC tank circuit will absorb energy to the point where it is in equilibrium - the energy being put into the storage system is equal to the energy being burnt off in the storage system.  There is a pervasive fundamental misunderstanding of what real resonance means.

So why did Bill's JT circuit make the LEDs jump in brightness when he changed the value of the base resistor?  I don't know the answer but the way to find out why is with an oscilloscope.  Like I said before, the LED will increase in brightness when the JT circuit puts more average power into the inductor.  Sometimes astable oscillators like the JT circuit will have characteristics called "metastability" where for a reason that could be determined with enough diligence and investigation, you will find that the circuit can "snap" into a certain operating mode that can give you increased brightness from the LEDs.

It's a challenge to figure these things out and you learn in the process that there is no phenomenon of resonance at play in a JT circuit.  For what it's worth there is no "lead out" process happening either.

MileHigh

 

OneLink