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Offline ronotte

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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2012, 10:55:47 AM »
NO, IMO the magnet is built with a well shaped paper that houses 2 x 3v microdot battery or the like. So measuring about 6V across the coil alone (not connected to motor) is consistent. Of course the coil has to be cut somewhere in order do not short the battery ;) 

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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2012, 11:08:14 AM »
@Tito
he measures voltage without the motor, even if there were batteries installed in the motor.
So maybe he faked it , but not the way you described.


ohhh ya right:  ;D


i think ronnotte is right  :D

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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2012, 11:20:12 AM »
It is easier to put one battery inside the meter and one to the motor. And no need to the coil to be cut.

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« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2012, 11:20:12 AM »
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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2012, 01:13:33 PM »
It is easier to put one battery inside the meter and one to the motor. And no need to the coil to be cut.

That has more logic to it, I think.
He fooled me for a saturday but I still think it was fun.

Only thing is, how did he fit a battery into the motor that's powerfull enough.
To test it I tried to run a smaller motor on a 2032 (3 volt) battery from a motherboard and it barely spins, but still it does.
But with the commutator and axle in the housing that doesn't fit in there. For 6 volt he would even have to use 2.

I agree it's a trick but a good one.

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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2012, 01:15:40 PM »
@Teunis


visit him , you both live in the netherlands.

I just sent him a message.
Hopefully he'll answer to it.
Would like to see and film it for myself.

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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2012, 01:49:30 PM »
NO, IMO the magnet is built with a well shaped paper that houses 2 x 3v microdot battery or the like. So measuring about 6V across the coil alone (not connected to motor) is consistent. Of course the coil has to be cut somewhere in order do not short the battery ;)   
Well shaped Paper . where .we see the face of the magnet? There is no microdot 3 volt battery made .there are some that are close to 1/2 inch Coin size in 3 volt and a paper thin (1mm) 3.7 volt It's dimensions are 19.5 mm X 12mm though . a bit bigger than that harddrive magnet .  and we can see the back of the magnet and the two hot glue points and can see that they are clear and we also see a shorted coil with soldered clips. . The only way i see it is the cooper wire is not wire it might be a piece of hollow air conditioner thermostat sensor tubing and some form of insulation inside the clip(clear spray coat and tiny wire like corona wire is used inside . I searched for the tiniest 3 volt battery for half an hour and only  available is it's not that thin and big as a Dime and fit in a fat watch.
TK , thats not what he did in this video .The one motor to gen video you linked  I can see the power source . it is between the face of the keeper far corner of the magnet and there is a slight gap between the magnet and keeper facing his coil.  . the ducttape is hiding fine wire to the hole near the coil wire to the coil . from that there is a resistor running the leds and spinning one motor . this one is an easy replicate .  forget the motor being modified because the voltage is measured off his coil in the video we are discussing and he runs the motor first with a 9 volt to show that the motor is unmodified.and Tito the tie wrap is just a handle .I challange anyone to make this fake coil without spotting the power source like he did .i see NO GAP on his clearly visible magnet only  you can't do it.. There is soldered alligator clips we see and a soldered cork screw "antenna" . Using a hard drive magnet which i have many of the thickness look correct in his video. and the hot glue is clear . you can also see there is no breaks in his coil . I do not believe anyone here can fake a video like he did and produce 6 volts without spotting the battery and running the battery thru a solid copper coil to the ends of the clip  . Period.

one of a kind fake and if we want to discuss a fake that is fine gang . The real quest is how do we fake it like him .  faked then how  to do it in a clear video unaltered and not using CG . Once we figure out how to make a FAKE Coil with a hard drive magnet and produces 6 volts THEN and only then should this discussion be over .If some of the new people would like to try and Fake it be our guest. It's a fun learning experience even though some people think it's a waste of time it is also something you could play with and fool your friends(Of course you will tell them after they are amazed) AND NEXT FAKE VIDEO YOU SEE YOU WILL KNOW FOR SURE..I think the lifehacker did a most excellent fake . I know it's fake but i cannot replicate it with parts i have JUST LIKE HIS AND I AM a very good builder ,experimenter .Remember there is NO microdot 3 volt battery but they do make a paper thin (1mm) battery but the dimentions are 12 X 19 mm and i believe we do not see this in his vid..

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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2012, 03:02:25 PM »
I Found his power source .i think. you have to see the video at 1080p. look at the clip at @25 seconds and tell me what you see.
i have never see one but it is probably one of these paper thin 0.45mm thick 3.6v batteries  cut with scissors maybe .. either way i do see something WHITE like latex where the clip is soldered . This would explain how he uses a shorted coil to show volts. Comments and has anyone every see a 1mm wide battery that will fit the length inside a Clip? We i for one cannot replicate it . Clear view of device at 28 seconds . nothing on back of magnet or inside glue.
 other possibility is this is not copper wire its hollow thermometer sensor pipe with tiny holes drilled in where glue meets magnet and a paper cell (where in the world did he get it?) and tiny coper wire fed thru to clips and somehow he insulated the inside of clip and ran that fine wire inside the tips .

Very Elaborate Fake i would say .

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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2012, 04:47:24 PM »
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TK , thats not what he did in this video .The one motor to gen video you linked  I can see the power source . it is between the face of the keeper far corner of the magnet and there is a slight gap between the magnet and keeper facing his coil.  . the ducttape is hiding fine wire to the hole near the coil wire to the coil . from that there is a resistor running the leds and spinning one motor . this one is an easy replicate .  forget the motor being modified because the voltage is measured off his coil in the video we are discussing and he runs the motor first with a 9 volt to show that the motor is unmodified.

You see what you think you see... .but I've seen the two-motor device disassembled to show the batteries inside one of the motors. Very easy fake. In the single motor one shown... why is he using such a LONG motor, twice the length of the ones in the two-motor device? I know why. The big motor is disassembled, there are batteries in there, perhaps a stack of CR2032s, and there is a smaller, shorter motor inside the case with its shaft sticking out to turn the little white fan thing.... which turns very slowly during the latter part of the video, since the batteries are running down.

Surely you aren't fooled by the "running on 9v first" part. How does this show that the motor is unmodified? Perhaps he's got the smaller motor's windings hooked to the "real" motor terminals and the internal battery hooked to one terminal and to the case. So when the magnet and coil (which is not continuous) are clipped in place the magnet itself completes the circuit and allows the battery to power the motor. Super thin batteries aren't required at all to produce the effect shown. Ordinary button cells and some clever setup work with the "ordinary motor" is all that's required.

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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2012, 04:54:33 PM »
TK . He reads the Coil and the coil shows the volts in this video . The other one yes easy to replicate this fake with a cardboard bottom but how do you fake a coil that shows 5.94 volts dc in his plain as day video .
Also i want to see that "inside trick motor bit" if it's available so we can see it.

That was my first thought to the new guy BTW. cap or batt in motor BUT Doesn't explain Volts on coil .
It's a learning thing here man . I totally understand you think it's a waste of of time duplicating fake video devices but in order to teach and share what we know one has to FULLY explain and if possible replicate the event like the hoaxter.  AND if by chance stumble on somthing undiscovered . WE do not know it all and thats the reason to experiment and explain and replicate.


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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
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« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2012, 05:44:51 PM »
@gadgetmall:
1) the voltage doesn't vary as he moves the coil around
2) he never uses the DMM to measure the voltage of the 9V battery
3) when he has the DMM hooked to the coil and is measuring the coil's voltage and then puts the motor in parallel.... there is no change at all on the meter indication
4) when he handles the meter leads he gets a bit of voltage indicated-- through the resistance of his body
5) the motor's RPM is progressively less and less throughout the video until at the end it is hardly turning at all
6) he never "reverses" the coil to meter hookup to show the DC polarity reversing ... (and it's interesting that he's got the system wired to show a negative (reversed) polarity anyway). If the coil were actually producing a DC output.... reversing it to show polarity reversal would be part of _your_ demo, wouldn't it? I know it would be part of mine, if it was real.

All of these observations are consistent with one simple explanation: the motor has been faked as I describe, by using a motor that will fit into a longer case with batteries, and the meter has been faked as well, by putting a six volt battery (simply two tiny button cells) in series with the leads. Then when the coil shorts the DMM's leads you see this concealed battery's voltage.

Observe the connection "tabs" on the motor -- they appear to be doubled or otherwise multiple, and there appears to be a choice of which ones to use.

He could have taken the 9v battery apart and "faked" it too, so that measuring it with the DMM ( really putting a 6V source in series with it) it would still read 9V.

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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2012, 05:46:12 PM »
I have just replicated fake meter. The battery inside the meter is 7v. If it were 9v it would be the same voltage.

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« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2012, 05:56:14 PM »
I have just replicated fake meter. The battery inside the meter is 7v. If it were 9v it would be the same voltage.
Good JOB Mates !!. and yes the meter rigged was a final variable i thought of but never mentioned .
So tenuis you see how some people will go to the extreme and even fake a meter_ something the ordinary person would think "no he i'snt going to take his meter apart and rig it .

Tk;) Nice detective work and thank you for putting up with this breakdown of freaking faker . The meter would have been the very last thing ..T

The coil is nothing more than a meer Switch to the contacts of the rigged motor .

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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2012, 06:04:28 PM »
I wish I would have replicated something  valuable  :)

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« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2012, 06:11:18 PM »
yg_34 .You did . you participated and showed the solution.  But see how easy it was for that lifehacker 2012 to get hits on his channel and fool almost everyone .
Those meters are like 3 dollars and have pots in them . you could  adjust that thing to show 12 volts when there is nothing there but the electrical output from your hands . That is why i stopped using them in videos . When the battery starts to die they show erroneous readings and you have to go inside them to recalibrate then to the supply battery volts . They are accurate if supplied with the 9 volt fully charged but i bought several and most needed recalibrating with a known good meter . In my case My fluke .

TO give this further merit and i agree with TK that it was odd that he did not check the 9 volt (first clue) or reverse the leads on his magic coil, which if he did then that would throw this in to the unexplained .

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« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2012, 06:26:20 PM »
I see that great minds think alike.
 ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koNnPYjeKDE

Inside the meter there is a solder bridge that makes the connection from the negative probe lead socket to the circuit board. I just desoldered this connection and hooked up there a battery pack made of 2 x CR2025 batteries, just taped together with cellotape, didn't even solder leads to the batteries, just taped them on. There is plenty of room inside the meter for the batteries behind the display. You could probably get 10 of them in there.

 

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