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Author Topic: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful  (Read 54926 times)

Offline Teunis

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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #60 on: November 15, 2012, 07:23:25 PM »
This guy now has put up the "schematics diagram" online for both devices:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQSAIJ5E7DM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoSIB7AqmHY

Looks like it's made by an amateur, but I'm not a pro...

Anyone who can make anything of this? Analyze it?

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #61 on: November 17, 2012, 01:21:44 AM »
The schematics leave out a necessary detail: In the first video, one of the motors -- the one pretending to be the generator --  has been dissected to make room for the button-cell batteries concealed inside it. In the second video, the motor's armature has been put into a longer can, leaving room for the small button cells. There is the video showing that coil "outputting" voltage into a meter; the schematic does not show the batteries and the altered circuit inside the meter, which causes it to read "6 v" when the probe leads are shorted by the small coil, nor does it show how the coil simply makes the internal connection for the batteries in the motor case, to cause it to run.

All this is covered earlier in this thread, I think, along with some severe criticism of the maker of these videos. I defended him for a while as an innocent prankster or educator, but now that he's complicating the claim by publishing these circuit diagrams.... I'm no longer going to defend his actions.

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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #62 on: November 17, 2012, 02:57:14 AM »
It's just another faker, the advertisements are a dead give away. and the fact he is showing impossible circuit behavior.
I would suggest all who want to taken seriously to NOT allow adds on the video's,  Anyway remember the guys
name and if he speaks remember his voice, because he is a liar and a faker. The fakes are easy to spot they are the ones claiming OU.

Cheers

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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #62 on: November 17, 2012, 02:57:14 AM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #63 on: November 17, 2012, 07:23:42 AM »
I just left the following comment on the video, and I also submitted one of my "replications" as a video response. We shall see if the comment survives very long.

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Next time, hollow out the 9v battery and put 3 volts of button cells in there. Then meter the "9V" battery with the fekked multimeter and it will read 9v, because you put the 3 v in series with the 6v button cells you have inside the meter, in series with the voltage measuring input jack. Use the "9V" to run the motor fast, too, by cleverly arranging the batteries inside the motor so that you have to contact the motor case with the "9v" terminal to put all cells in series and turn the armature.

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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #64 on: November 17, 2012, 11:21:15 AM »
OT: That Crucial youtube Advert is really, really annoying!!!

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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #64 on: November 17, 2012, 11:21:15 AM »
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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #65 on: November 17, 2012, 07:07:32 PM »
Man! He really has a money maker . Dadd dam Google Adsence!!
Teunis it's all about HITS on his fake Videos !. I blocked him .

Offline Teunis

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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #66 on: November 18, 2012, 11:27:32 PM »
Okay, this made my brain hurt real bad...

His latest video just showed up in my subscriber list:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJdLA4w3w58

How the h*** does he do this? There's no motor, no visible battery, nothing.
I'm sure it's a trick... But... How? He makes it look so simple.

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #67 on: November 19, 2012, 02:41:16 AM »
Yes, of course it's a trick, and of course it's sooo simple.

I thought of four ways to do it while watching the video.

The easiest one took me about five minutes to set up and three video takes or rehearsals to get it down pat.

And of course if I were deliberately trying to hoax someone to make money, I'd do it a lot more carefully, with more patter and more misdirection, and of course I'd meter the coil to show you its output on a meter.

His use of quick cuts is very clever. If you aren't too observant you might think that the cuts were innocent or maybe you'd miss them altogether.

You have to ask yourselves.... why do you not see all the effects in a single long video with no cuts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saa39OCuBy0


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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #68 on: November 19, 2012, 09:04:59 PM »
Yes, of course it's a trick, and of course it's sooo simple.

I thought of four ways to do it while watching the video.

The easiest one took me about five minutes to set up and three video takes or rehearsals to get it down pat.

And of course if I were deliberately trying to hoax someone to make money, I'd do it a lot more carefully, with more patter and more misdirection, and of course I'd meter the coil to show you its output on a meter.

His use of quick cuts is very clever. If you aren't too observant you might think that the cuts were innocent or maybe you'd miss them altogether.

You have to ask yourselves.... why do you not see all the effects in a single long video with no cuts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saa39OCuBy0

How did you power the light?  :o

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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #68 on: November 19, 2012, 09:04:59 PM »
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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #69 on: November 19, 2012, 10:59:04 PM »
How did you power the light?  :o

I don't mean to be cruel.... but the clues are all there in the video. Knowing for sure that I faked it... because I'm telling you right out that it's faked.... how would you go about doing it? Assume that is how I did it.  Now, look for evidence in the video for your hypothesis or against it.

I'll also tell you right up front that there are at least two "tells" in my video that reveal the method, and several more highly suggestive elements that support the conclusion but aren't full-on "tells".

This is also true of my video showing me metering the device inside a small Faraday cage. The tells are there. Look at what you actually are seeing, not what you want to see or what the presenter wants you to see.


Now.... here's the "caveat".  Just because I can reproduce his effects with fakery.... it does not logically follow that he is faking.  However, what he is showing is so inconsistent with any other hypothesis, and IS consistent with the fakery hypothesis.... that one may justifiably hold that "fakery" is the explanation, until he comes up with more better demonstrations and proofs ... and a YouTube video of any kind, these days, no matter what it shows or appears to show,  is not going to cut it.

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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #70 on: November 20, 2012, 01:59:00 AM »
Come up with anything yet?

Oh well, I was hoping for some good guesses anyway.

Here's how I did it, again, not necessarily the way he did, but I do see something under one of his clips that could be a tiny wire. Now that I've thought more about it I'd probably use sharp pinpoints instead of the screws. Less visible, and if tiny holes are drilled in the clips at the right spots, could provide plenty of support and good contacts, and you wouldn't notice them during the inspection.

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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #70 on: November 20, 2012, 01:59:00 AM »
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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #71 on: November 20, 2012, 03:29:19 AM »
Good Job TinselKoala, Works a treat, I know you only faked the faking and it really is real. Just kidding.
But I couldn't pick you're fake fakery. Good job. I've been saying for while now that anything we can imagine
as real can be faked. Humans can be very clever or very naive.
I hardly ever believe anything I see or am told anymore unless it makes sense or there is solid proof.
There is absolutely no need to believe, no reason to, it's better to require proof, even if I need to find the proof myself.
Far too many things are just said on these forums with no evidence or references. At some time all the folks exposing the fakes will get
sick and tired of trying to help and leave the naive to their pipe dreams and deceit. It is difficult for a person who thinks logically to
interact in any meaningful way because of all the ( scalar hype), (radiant energy), ( back emf from coils discharging) ect. fallacies.
Most people who do see through the cr@p fog stop contributing because of the scale of the guru rubbish hype and the falsities they peddle
make rational discussion difficult. It's no wonder free energy has such a bad name. Which plays right into the hands of the energy cartels,
discredit the movement. When a logical person see's so many on the websites believing in fakes, what must they think ?

I am of the opinion that the likes of Vladimir Utkin And Don Smith are employed to give hope for a solution to the energy problem as a distraction from
the real problems. Which are the corrupt politicians not working for the public but working for the rich.
Just like the illusion of politics doing something to improve things, so is the illusion of the guru's providing solutions. They work the same way.
Problem-Reaction-Solution. False problem, induced reaction and their solution to the false problem.

With some it is the back emf,
eg.
False Problem = nasty back emf consuming power.
Reaction = oh deary me what will we do, the nasty Back emf is going to make us all starve.
Solution = Here build an inefficient transformer where the power drawn from the secondary doesn't affect the primary, then the output will be restricted
to less than the input and the load won't be powered properly. But you will reduce the effect of the nasty back emf which will harm us all if not attacked.

Wake up folks. The people pointing out the fakers won't do it forever when there is no thanks for doing it. So.

Thank you TinselKoala. I appreciate you showing us how these things can be so easily faked.


Cheers

P.S. In fact Back emf is a very useful effect and without it the control of power would be more difficult. It is a gift of nature.

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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #72 on: November 20, 2012, 06:52:09 AM »
Thanks, Farmhand, I appreciate your comments, and I agree right down the line.

It's really too bad and quite ironic.

The devices that seem plausible and like they "could" work are never demonstrated in an unequivocal manner... here I'm  thinking of the Tesla-type devices which are my pet delusion, and the Kapadnaze devices mostly, and there are working parts, claims that turn out to be true but irrelevant, there are red herrings, secret diagrams, and black and green boxes, and parts made of unobtainium and imported from Mars by slow rocket. So nobody can prove or disprove them at all and thousand-page threads wind around and around like some great multifilar Rodin coil of Litz wire, sucking up creativity and time but not really getting anywhere.

Then there are the demonstrations of clearly overunity effects that are astounding in their power and simplicity.... like Mylow's HoJoMo running itself , like the present coil device lighting its bulb out of the miasmas of the mysterious aether. The problem is of course that the effects are absolutely impossible according to present understanding, and nobody can replicate those things no matter how hard they try even though the materials are common and easy to get .... because they are clearly, or notso clearly, fakes.

Now that "monetisation" due to ads has come to the common person via YouTube, and it becomes possible for people actually to make money from doing these things without actually defrauding anyone.... it becomes even more important, IMHO, to learn how to separate the wheat from the chaff and to be suspicious of claims without the support of experimental evidence that can be repeated.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #73 on: November 20, 2012, 06:58:35 AM »
(And I'm kicking myself for not monetising some of my videos. Not really.... but do you realise that one of my JT vids has over three hundred thousand views? That boggles the mind and I still can't figure out why.  And no narration at all.... maybe that's the key....)

Offline Teunis

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Re: "solid state free energy device" - rebuilt it but unsuccessful
« Reply #74 on: November 21, 2012, 08:27:36 AM »
(And I'm kicking myself for not monetising some of my videos. Not really.... but do you realise that one of my JT vids has over three hundred thousand views? That boggles the mind and I still can't figure out why.  And no narration at all.... maybe that's the key....)

I found your YouTube channel, I love it!
You could get a better camera and a bit more light when filmin though ;D

The wireless joules thief is amazing!

 

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