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Offline johnny874

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Re: Siphoned Heron's fountain
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2012, 03:12:20 PM »
 in Heron's fountain, the water displaces the air. with what I showed, the water spills into the chamber having water pumped out of it, the air mintains a constant pressure

 

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Re: Siphoned Heron's fountain
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Re: Siphoned Heron's fountain
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2012, 03:23:42 PM »
i just had another crazy idea using just one container. by far the best i think.

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Re: Siphoned Heron's fountain
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2012, 03:25:08 PM »
Hello what do you think about my idea do you think that the liquid in the containers will balance on the same level or will continue to flow is it possible acording to you?

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Re: Siphoned Heron's fountain
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2012, 03:25:08 PM »
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Re: Siphoned Heron's fountain
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2012, 03:55:14 PM »
@pulp, of course water will flow here if the level is fixed. I think you want to show that the level is pivoted and its heavier side goes down; so, here the heavier side as you see is in wrong side of the level; it always gets "lower", never "higher".

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Re: Siphoned Heron's fountain
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2012, 03:55:55 PM »
pulp,
all the water containers will end up having the same level of water and the arm holding the containers will end up horizontally. will not work.
or the arm will completely tilt and water will over flow and leave you with one container full and two container empty. will no work.
sorry.

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Re: Siphoned Heron's fountain
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2012, 03:55:55 PM »
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Re: Siphoned Heron's fountain
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2012, 04:27:40 PM »
more pressure?

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Re: Siphoned Heron's fountain
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2012, 05:00:45 PM »
more pressure?

  Ghost,
 I like your arrangement and it could work. With the modifications I made to your drawing,
it would follow accepted emchanical principles found in any book and of which Heron's Fountain has demonstrated such principles do work.
 If the water in column A is the prime mover, it would syphon water as you correctly supposed. And when column A generates sufficient air pressure, then water would be pumped into container B where a low air pressure could pump a smaller diameter column of water to your reservoir that column A is taking it's suction from.
 You would need to do a little testing to find out what volumes of water and what diameter of tubes you might need but I do like your concept and think it would be awesome to see it working  8)
 If you check out the video I posted, the FGolger's one, you will see one pressure head can be higher than another one. This is because the diameters of the 2 different tubes. The amount of water you see in each one is the same volume.
 It's the Heron's Effect I am demonstrating in the video that would allow your design to work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF6lmb1oLEo
 

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Re: Siphoned Heron's fountain
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Re: Siphoned Heron's fountain
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2012, 06:55:04 PM »
   Ghost,
 if you want me to help you with what you're working on, just let me know.
I just find it kind of insulting that tk would try to rip off work I've explained to him.
 And what some of the people in here might miss is the patentability issue. With you, a design patent
could be possible as principles in engineering can not be patented. Besides, Heron's work is over 2,000 years old.
 And even if what I've posted is patentable, you've never caused me any problems so if you can expand on what
myself or Heron have thought of, that is what it's about.
 
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Re: Siphoned Heron's fountain
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2012, 07:16:10 PM »
thanks for the offer to help me out, but for now i will take this on myself.
so far here's the materials i have to put this project together, all i need now is a decent jar.
my first test will be like this: http://www.overunity.com/12662/siphoned-herons-fountain/dlattach/attach/114795
then i will decide where to go from there if it doesn't work and try out my other ideas that i posted on this thread.
all i need now is a jar, something large but not so big.

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Re: Siphoned Heron's fountain
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2012, 07:16:10 PM »
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Re: Siphoned Heron's fountain
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2012, 07:22:28 PM »
thanks for the offer to help me out, but for now i will take this on myself.
so far here's the materials i have to put this project together, all i need now is a decent jar.
my first test will be like this: http://www.overunity.com/12662/siphoned-herons-fountain/dlattach/attach/114795
then i will decide where to go from there if it doesn't work and try out my other ideas that i posted on this thread.
all i need now is a jar, something large but not so big.

  Just a friendly reminder ghost, using a barrier to seperate pressure heads to achieve a perpetual flow is my invention.
 
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edited to add; I posted my invention on Aug. 30th. Seems a person can't get credit for anything in this forum, sheesh.
 Guess there will be no need for me to post in here any more. After all, if people could make money off my idea's, free to them, right ?

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Re: Siphoned Heron's fountain
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2012, 08:14:36 PM »
i don't mind suggestions based on science.

* i'm gluing my first test run as i type... :)

* will post results soon.

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Re: Siphoned Heron's fountain
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2012, 08:14:36 PM »
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Re: Siphoned Heron's fountain
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2012, 09:11:16 PM »
 
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I posted my invention on Aug. 30th

And I posted my Heron's Fountain video to YouTube that you CLAIM stole your idea.... on August 24th.
And I posted my first Heron's Fountain video on August 21st.

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Re: Siphoned Heron's fountain
« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2012, 09:38:39 PM »
first test for: http://www.overunity.com/12662/siphoned-herons-fountain/dlattach/attach/114795
i just came back from the pool, sorry test result failed miserably!
there was no water flow :(
moving on to my other ideas, then johnny874's suggestion for my idea.

until next time folks!

bye

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Re: Siphoned Heron's fountain
« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2012, 09:44:51 PM »
  ghost,
 using 2 different size tubes to create a difference in height which allows work to be performed is my invention.
 should matter to you but it doesn't.
 In case you're wondering, my invention uses the principle of pressure heads. A principle can not be patented but how they are used can be.

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Re: Siphoned Heron's fountain
« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2012, 10:27:00 PM »
  ghost,
 using 2 different size tubes to create a difference in height which allows work to be performed is my invention.
 should matter to you but it doesn't.
 In case you're wondering, my invention uses the principle of pressure heads. A principle can not be patented but how they are used can be.

  ghost,
 Do you know one of the reasons why I have usually posted about donating the patent rights ? It was to try and prevent what is happening now. If people want charity then they should be willing to show some or I would think.
 With the invention I posted, it works because the 2 different pressure heads are seperated. If they weren't, they both would have the same forces acting on them and balance out. This is one reason nobody has realized what I have before.
 as for tinselkoala, he's out for himself and has a lot of support. some people don't like other being being successful.

 

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