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Title: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: gadgetmall on September 01, 2012, 03:56:40 AM
The perpetual wheel driven by a permanent magnet The inventor The concept of this perpetual wheel has been patented in 1823.
That invention is fully described in book "Mechanical Appliances and Novelties of Construction (http://todayinsci.com/Books/MechApp/chap23/page1.htm)" published in 1927 by Gardner D. Hiscox, Mechanical Engineer, and Norman W. Henle
Folks here is probably the simplest real perpetual motion wheel you can build with just a few parts . one strong neo magnet one 1 inch steel ball bearing and a couple of Aluminum  bike rims with the axles and bearings and some wood .   I did a quick and dirty test on this with a plastic hamster wheel and the damn thing works and displayed the effect  quite nice . . The ball rides inside or on a track and the magnet is placed on a block of wood at a certain height ,stable and the ball is attracted to the magnet while it is lifted inside the wheel making the wheel off balance and turns with gravity of the steel ball on one side of this wheel  . The ball must slip and spin so it can oscillate and grab the sided of your wheel . I am building two bike rims together to give me a track inside the two . .. you need a non magnetic wheel like aluminum and a steel ball one inch or greater to match your wheel .
New energy technology's are being exposed this year and this is a sure hit ..have a look and build away !!

http://energythic.com/view.php?node=283

gadget
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: gadgetmall on September 01, 2012, 04:10:50 AM
i am searching for some 16 inch aluminum bicycle rims front only . two to put together to form a solid rail . I am sure others with fabrication shops can put this together with some other non magnetic round rail wheel. with a center axle and bearings to mount so it can spin .
Will i be the first one to show one running on a stable magnet ?

Gadget
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on September 01, 2012, 09:12:09 AM
Hi gadget, I hope so, it's better than nobody testing it out.
If i had the materials i would try it also, though if your replication works out, many will try it and i will keep an eye out for bikes in garbage or garage sales.
Though a scaled down model could work just to show the principle, can't think off hand what might work as a rotatable rail.
Hope the experiments go well.
peace love light
tyson
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 01, 2012, 09:19:03 AM
http://energythic.com/view.php?node=283 (http://energythic.com/view.php?node=283)

Al:

Above is the hyperlink to the video.  I have to admit it is impressive.  My only question is....why the big block held in his hand just to hold a magnet rod?  I guess I am a little doubtful...but....everything else looks just fine and I hope this really does work.  It would be very easy to make like you said.

Bill
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: MT on September 01, 2012, 09:52:23 AM
Hi,
Clear video, big block is probably just a mean to get the magnet to the right height. My worry is that he helps it with his hand. More convincing would be when he would attached magnet to the base and THEN get it spinning.
regards,
Marcel
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: derricka on September 01, 2012, 10:44:11 AM
I really hate to be the one raining on this parade, but this idea won't work, and here's why.  With the magnet in place, the wheel is really no longer overbalanced. Just as your hand can't push a door closed if someone is holding your hand in place, the ball can only perform work against the wheel when it is free to move down.  In this concept, the ball gets pulled into an equilibrium position where gravity and magnetism cancel each other out.  The video is deceptive because it doesn't run long enough to show the initial hand spin slowing down.  Build this device if you wish to learn (or don't believe me), but keep in mind there are more worthy avenues for free energy research (like LENR).  Best of luck to all, and thanks for your efforts towards a better world.
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: powercat on September 01, 2012, 05:25:23 PM
suspicious noise at 57 seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkLfpXpO5sQ&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkLfpXpO5sQ&feature=player_embedded)

Nevertheless I wish you success in your quest
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: TheOne on September 01, 2012, 06:01:44 PM
suspicious noise at 57 seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkLfpXpO5sQ&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkLfpXpO5sQ&feature=player_embedded)

Nevertheless I wish you success in your quest


yes its an air compressor, anyway, this video is old, if this really work all the peoples that tried this configuration in the past all fail... so why this one should work... I think its more an air compressor motor lol
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: e2matrix on September 01, 2012, 06:37:07 PM
Yes that video is from the Visual education project here:  www.veproject1.org  where they show a lot of perpetual motion type devices that are all actually faked - not to fool people but rather to stimulate interest in kids for science.   Looking at the force vectors I don't think you will find anything that is going to rotate that wheel.  It's probably done with an internal motor or air and yes at 57 seconds there is a strong sound of air like someone pushed a little to hard on the air release button.   This video has been discussed before.  Sorry but IMO it's a FAIL. 
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: gadgetmall on September 01, 2012, 07:57:24 PM
Thanks for input and it i am aware of newtons law and energy conservation and ever thing has to go back to zero and yadedada ... That a big power of suggestion and can throw off and discourage an experimenter . But See ...everything is explained away ,even God .
I Chose to Ignore mans rules and believe in a higher power and it gives me an inspiration with insight.
I have been called names ,shunned and said some of my little projects didn't work and i measured wrong and thats ok by me .
The hamster wheel experiment was crude and a cardboard stack with me holding a magnet with my hand is not a good test . I am a nervous person and i may subconsciously been shaking and my magnet probably wasn't perfectly still  . Thats ok by me . I realize that . so what to stop me from trying it out with metal rail wheel.. I suggest no build this but me . Let me decide how the magnet should be mounted on mine. heck i might mount it on springy metal instead of a solid block to give more outside force from the magnet .so with that here are some of the rules .and with all those and all the so called laws of nature that i know are flawed i will just do all this and either fail and learn or make it work . thanks guys for the luck wishes .so with that here are some of those rules .

 the weight(BALL) that gains energy falling on one side of a wheel{ SPINS} must lose the same amount of energy when being lifted up the other side.(IT DOSENT FALL IF THE RAIL IS MOVING UNDER IT and held in a  magnetic field from outside force)remains to be seen.
The steel ball attracted to a magnet gains energy, but to return it to its original position(WE DONT WANT IT TO RETURN TO ZERO WE WANT IT TO BE ON A MOVING INFINITY RAIL) and repeat the process, that same amount of energy must be done on it.
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: gadgetmall on September 01, 2012, 08:41:34 PM
derrika . thanks for the input . you see there are no bearings and just a shaft thru holes (squeek). What if we could build a  motor that ran on a magnet for our lifetime with just a hand spin?

powercat . Cool . i understand that .and when you move the magnet away from the steel ball the forces do what ?the ball weight becomes more and is allowed some of it's gravity back.at that very instant is where the wheel feels it and becomes unbalanced and due partially to friction partially to gravity and the fact that its a steel ball with no poles to rolls . I will build one and your right it will be a learning experience ..thanks man

Thanks pirate !! Your like me . We have been at this stuff so long we can spot a fake a mile away and thats why i now have a negative approach on  some of these inventions like yourself. Damn we are good :) I want you guys to get those Fountains running in a LOOP !! something i have always dreamed about since i was a kid taking a piece of hose and starting the flow with my mouth   to drain my pool... .take in consideration that water is a perpetual resource on our planet and rain comes to most of us all the time . a barrel to catch it .elavated. the Quest would be how to empty bottle c when it gets full.(float valve)
Gadget

 
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: TinselKoala on September 01, 2012, 09:00:17 PM
Forgive me.... but you are like the children who, coming home from a Superman movie, put on capes and climb to their rooftops and leap off, expecting to fly.

Maybe you've got the cape on wrong, or maybe it's not quite the right color...... so keep trying, one day you'll fly just like Superman.
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: gadgetmall on September 01, 2012, 09:06:44 PM
Forgive me.... but you are like the children who, coming home from a Superman movie, put on capes and climb to their rooftops and leap off, expecting to fly.

Maybe you've got the cape on wrong, or maybe it's not quite the right color...... so keep trying, one day you'll fly just like Superman.


Thanks TinselKoala . you are my hero too :) your right . kids have more hope and insight .They dreamed and grew up and took those  silly thoughts like i want to fly to the moon . how silly that was.
 I had some pretty vivid dreams when i was young about flying under my own power  ,especially after watching  the flying nun:) i guess i wasn't the only one http://gizmodo.com/5894904/man-flies-like-a-bird-flapping-his-own-wings (http://gizmodo.com/5894904/man-flies-like-a-bird-flapping-his-own-wings)
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: gadgetmall on September 01, 2012, 09:19:53 PM

 is anyone else experiencing the ..quote bb code deleting it self  and moving when responding to posts. This is getting aggravating .
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: gauschor on September 01, 2012, 09:38:49 PM
But as someone asked in the youtube channel: if it's compressed air, why are the clothes of this guy not fluttering?. It's kinda hard to believe that the compressed air stream only hits the wheel and not the clothes. But then again, the hissing sound is indeed suspicious...

@gadgetmall:nevertheless worth to try it out, despite the odds. I'd try it myself, if I had equipment :)
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 01, 2012, 10:26:27 PM
Al:

That video of the guy flying is incredible.  I hope it is not faked somehow...it looks real to me.  Humans are not supposed to be able to make enough horsepower to do that...although, I think it was the Gossamar Condor pedaled powered plane flew like 20 years ago and that was not supposed to be able to happen either.

Bill
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: gadgetmall on September 01, 2012, 10:59:46 PM
[quote author=Pirate88179 link=topic=12660.msg334427#msg334427 date=1346531187]
Al:

That video of the guy flying is incredible.  I hope it is not faked somehow...it looks real to me.  Humans are not supposed to be able to make enough horsepower to do that...although, I think it was the Gossamar Condor pedaled powered plane flew like 20 years ago and that was not supposed to be able to happen either.

Bill

This video was all over the news several months ago .
He has a webaite and you can probably  buy those birdwings and fly !! Oh coarse someone will say it's fake and we all know that we as experimenters won't believe it till we do it ourselves:)
here's how he did it . it started out as a Dream .
The heart of the system is an Android smartphone. It processes Jarno's arm acceleration and computes the corresponding motor output. The phone is connected to a Seeduino ADK microcontroller, which connects to two Wii Motion Plus and a Wii Nunchuck. These are used to measure the acceleration, motion and all the different parameters required for making the calculations needed for the wing flapping.
After his first successful test, Jarno is ecstatic:: "I have always dreamed about this. But after eight months of hard work, research and testing it all payed off."
Horsepower is just a matter of pulleys like we can lift 1000's of pounds with the help of a couple of pulleys and some rope.If you have ever seen an albatross try to fly and do it then you see it takes big wings to lift that heavy bird.iI have seen them on the beach run and stumble and roll and then run again and take off.

this was an early prototype here  . very cool But They said it was FAkE and an experiment for a Movie TRixTer!
Seems To elaborate for a prop in a low budget movie but look like they tried andd failed so why not make a movie instead .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&;v=TH3fQbGlQlM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TH3fQbGlQlM)
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 02, 2012, 01:43:19 AM
Totally fantastic.  I understand how he did it now and....all I can say is...WOW!!!!!  He does NOT have the power so, he uses cell phone and video game technology to control electro-mechanical devices that DO have the power.  Pure genius.

Bill

***EDIT***  I think this is Nobel prize stuff right here.
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS maybe!!
Post by: gadgetmall on September 02, 2012, 02:15:59 AM
[quote author=Pirate88179 link=topic=12660.msg334446#msg334446 date=1346542999]
Totally fantastic.  I understand how he did it now and....all I can say is...WOW!!!!!  He does NOT have the power so, he uses cell phone and video game technology to control electro-mechanical devices that DO have the power.  Pure genius.

Bill

***EDIT***  I think this is Nobel prize stuff right here.
Exactly . he uses his arms and strength to assist his little brushless motors on  his wings , motor alone won;t do it but assisted by human strength will . It Ques him to pull on his flappers...


EDIT:::: It was a fake. The power of Suggestion sometimes gives motivation and pure heart break doesn't it.
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: polln8r on September 02, 2012, 02:48:17 AM
According to Snopes, the man admitted his fakery.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/technology/humanbirdwings.asp
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: gadgetmall on September 02, 2012, 03:05:58 AM
Ok and thanks ."Sigh"At least i got the Moon. Still dosn't kill dreams and some dreams come true by hard work on their ideas no matter how hard they are are to believe or how much faking there is  . .one day
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: ionizer on September 02, 2012, 03:38:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TftBuMW_WkY
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 02, 2012, 03:43:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TftBuMW_WkY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TftBuMW_WkY)

Shit!  Why do people do this?  i mean, we here at OU.com lived through Milow and some others......why is this crap being done?  Folks here already have a bad name in society seeking things that are "impossible" so we really don't need this crap at all.  It pisses me off....can you tell?  Thank you to those that exposed this.

Bill
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: gadgetmall on September 02, 2012, 04:36:17 AM
Shit!It was a fake. The power of Suggestion sometimes gives motivation and pure heart break doesn't it.

At least he didn't kill my dreams yet . been thru more crap than normal though and Our old generation did take theirs to whole new level so theres still hope .It's the new Generation that likes to trick everyone . .Hopeless unless we fix it.
   

humanbirdwings.net
 Keep on Building.. (Subliminal suggestion) :-X

gadget Al
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: gadgetmall on September 02, 2012, 05:29:53 AM
DOn't be Discouraged unless you got parents like this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EZQvSCGaJI&feature=share


:)

Gadget


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Post by: TinselKoala on September 02, 2012, 08:29:44 AM
DOn't be Discouraged unless you got parents like this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EZQvSCGaJI&feature=share (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EZQvSCGaJI&feature=share)


 :)

Gadget

Or a President.....
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 02, 2012, 10:28:15 AM
Shit!  Why do people do this?  i mean, we here at OU.com lived through Milow and some others......why is this crap being done?  Folks here already have a bad name in society seeking things that are "impossible" so we really don't need this crap at all.  It pisses me off....can you tell?  Thank you to those that exposed this.

Bill
no kidding!  reminds me of that tinselkoala/alestalokin guy and that 'whipmag'...  ;)
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Post by: Lakes on September 02, 2012, 11:16:38 AM
no kidding!  reminds me of that tinselkoala/alestalokin guy and that 'whipmag'...  ;)
OMG!, he said the "W" word!! :)
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: pree5 on November 04, 2012, 09:49:16 PM
i think it's real working model..of free energy concept :)
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: lumen on November 05, 2012, 05:45:51 PM
I would like to give my impression of this wheel which is obviously fake as shown, or perceived.
If the magnet is attracting the steel ball then this cannot work and is fake.

However, if the wheel is non-magnetic except for two disks that the steel ball rides on and the magnets poles are actually N to one plate and S to the other plate, then the magnet does not directly attract the ball but a spot on the disks is more magnetic and attracts the ball.

This effect is totally different than the magnet attracting the ball. The ball pulls to the spot on the disks and is pulled by the disks not the magnet. The magnet is only attracted to the disks and has no preference of any pull direction and does not affect the rotation of the wheel.

Just a thought  ;)
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: Bruce_TPU on November 05, 2012, 07:45:35 PM
no kidding!  reminds me of that tinselkoala/alestalokin guy and that 'whipmag'...  ;)
Wilby we AGREE on something!!  Big hug!
 
Bruce
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: johnny874 on November 09, 2012, 03:43:53 PM
Al:

That video of the guy flying is incredible.  I hope it is not faked somehow...it looks real to me.  Humans are not supposed to be able to make enough horsepower to do that...although, I think it was the Gossamar Condor pedaled powered plane flew like 20 years ago and that was not supposed to be able to happen either.

Bill

This video was all over the news several months ago .
He has a webaite and you can probably  buy those birdwings and fly !! Oh coarse someone will say it's fake and we all know that we as experimenters won't believe it till we do it ourselves:)
here's how he did it . it started out as a Dream .
The heart of the system is an Android smartphone. It processes Jarno's arm acceleration and computes the corresponding motor output. The phone is connected to a Seeduino ADK microcontroller, which connects to two Wii Motion Plus and a Wii Nunchuck. These are used to measure the acceleration, motion and all the different parameters required for making the calculations needed for the wing flapping.
After his first successful test, Jarno is ecstatic:: "I have always dreamed about this. But after eight months of hard work, research and testing it all payed off."
Horsepower is just a matter of pulleys like we can lift 1000's of pounds with the help of a couple of pulleys and some rope.If you have ever seen an albatross try to fly and do it then you see it takes big wings to lift that heavy bird.iI have seen them on the beach run and stumble and roll and then run again and take off.

this was an early prototype here  . very cool But They said it was FAkE and an experiment for a Movie TRixTer!
Seems To elaborate for a prop in a low budget movie but look like they tried andd failed so why not make a movie instead .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&;v=TH3fQbGlQlM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TH3fQbGlQlM)

  gadget,
 there might be a way to make wings work. Only lift a part of the wing and lift it at an angle.
Then when that part of the wing is pushed down, it would have air underneath it which could flow outward under the wing creating more lift.
 This would allow for the possibility of using leverage to get more work out of a downward stroke.
If you watch birds fly, they don't lift the tips of their wings, probably saves a lot of energy that way.
 I think that's how the Wright Brothers got their plane to fly. They saw how a bird's wings worked and allowed for the wings on their airplane to twist. Before that, all wings were made of a rigid design.
 Today, they are now called wing flaps and ailerons.

                                                                                                                                        Jim
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: Paul-R on November 09, 2012, 05:24:40 PM
Al:

That video of the guy flying is incredible.  I hope it is not faked somehow.
I'll bet it is.

Calculate the horsepower needed to get that amount of weight up, to displace
that amount of air with such an inefficient device. There is no athlete who
could achieve it.

It reminds me of the human  powered flight competition using an efficient wing:
http://media.aerosociety.com/news/2012/07/24/raes-human-powered-aircraft-icarus-cup-lasham-gliding-club-%E2%80%93-results/6315/
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Post by: kampen on November 09, 2012, 08:23:46 PM
Note:
Flying man video is FAKE, see below
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: gadgetmall on November 09, 2012, 11:56:06 PM
yea another inventacom experiment , The humanbirdwinds were all over the networks and had everyone fooled . Still it migh be possible one day with the right motor .Now i know Lasersaber Flys anytime he wants with his self made paramotor (100cc electric with lifopo battery packs and a big prop on his back.
) and that thing he can strap it on his back and literally lean backwards and thats fan will  hold him up from falling backwards with his weight on it ..A para sail is the best way to fly and no pilots licenses needed !Strap some bird wings on that baby!
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Post by: Gwandau on November 10, 2012, 12:13:44 AM
You actually don't need a motor if you used the power of your legs to flap the wings. But it have to be wings made of bird feathers, since the aerodynamics needed for flying like a bird calls for the structure of real bird feathers. And you have to take off from an elevated position or down a slope.
 
If you make wings with a ten meter span made of a slender titanium frame and a triple row of swan feathers and applied the down stroke force by transporting the muscle power of your legs up to the wings, it would obviously work.
 
I say obviously, because I saw a movie clip in the seventies depicting a young man taking off from an elevated position inside a sports arena with wings made of real birdfeathers.
The boy was constantly pumping with his legs which were transporting the movement through a mechanical leverage system attached to his legs up to the wings. He seemed to weigh no more than about 45 kilos and was obviously due to exhaustion forced to land after two rounds around the arena. Still he succeded to keep a constant distance from the ground these magical two minutes.
 
The secret lies in applying the force of your legs. The number of moves from sitting to standing position that you are able to perform without getting exhausted equals the number of times you are able to move the big wings downward using same leg power.

 
So the force needed to create the neccessary downward movement of such big wings is ready available by using the strength of your legs, and in combination of a fairly low body weight the feat of flying with your own wings is fully feasable.

 
The only problem is that all big birds need good upward winds to stay in the air for any longer periods, and this boy was trapped within the calm confines of the arena, thus spending too much energy to stay aloft any more than those two minutes, which by the way was impressive enough.
 
Gwandau
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Post by: TinselKoala on November 10, 2012, 02:27:12 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kremer_prize
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human-powered_aircraft

Quote
Ornithopters On August 2, 2010, Todd Reichert of the University of Toronto Institute for Aerospace Studies piloted a human-powered ornithopter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ornithopter) named Snowbird (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTIAS_Snowbird). The 32 metres (105 ft 0 in) wingspan 42 kilograms (93 lb) aircraft was constructed from carbon fibre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_fibre), balsa, and foam. The pilot sat in a small cockpit suspended below the wings and pumped a bar with his feet to operate a system of wires that flapped the wings up and down. Towed by a car until airborne, it then sustained flight for almost 20 seconds. It flew 145 meters with an average speed of 25.6 km/h (7.1 m/s) [21] Similar tow-launched flights were made in the past, but improved data collection verified that the ornithopter was capable of self-powered flight once aloft.[22][23][24]
And that's the first verified _actual_ human-powered ornithopter flight. To claim otherwise, without proof.... well, it's just not right, that's all.
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Post by: Gwandau on November 10, 2012, 12:23:03 PM
TinselKoala,
 
you are of course fully correct, but if you are referring to my post above, it was really not intended to be a claim. Sorry if I made you think that. I just wanted to tell you guys about a fabolous experiment filmed in the seventies and since I am and was quite well versed in the rather small abilities of that time to produce a trick film of this quality level, I was greatly intrigued by the film clip.
 
And if you think logically, the push power created by your legs are equal to same force applied downwards when transmitted to the wings.
 
My input was solely to add some intriguing information that hopefully would create some interest and discussion, since the contemporary aviation research are so hopelessly additcted to rigid or semi rigid non feather constructs.  It's like aviation science today avoid studying the amazing aerodynamics created by bird feathers on a micro scale. And when it comes to propelling itself forth by use of flapping wings, feathers are the only solution worth studying, since flat-wing constructs misses the very idea behind bird winged flight.
 
So there is no claim here, just a childish curiosity about something that actually could work.
 
Gwandau
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Post by: pree5 on November 10, 2012, 04:55:35 PM
REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL


how to buy this prototype?????
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Post by: johnny874 on November 10, 2012, 05:41:34 PM
TinselKoala,
 
you are of course fully correct, but if you are referring to my post above, it was really not intended to be a claim. Sorry if I made you think that. I just wanted to tell you guys about a fabolous experiment filmed in the seventies and since I am and was quite well versed in the rather small abilities of that time to produce a trick film of this quality level, I was greatly intrigued by the film clip.
 
And if you think logically, the push power created by your legs are equal to same force applied downwards when transmitted to the wings.
 
My input was solely to add some intriguing information that hopefully would create some interest and discussion, since the contemporary aviation research are so hopelessly additcted to rigid or semi rigid non feather constructs.  It's like aviation science today avoid studying the amazing aerodynamics created by bird feathers on a micro scale. And when it comes to propelling itself forth by use of flapping wings, feathers are the only solution worth studying, since flat-wing constructs misses the very idea behind bird winged flight.
 
So there is no claim here, just a childish curiosity about something that actually could work.
 
Gwandau

   Gwandau,
 Some people don't find mechanics very interesting. But what you suggested about leg power made me think of coxswains.
Those guys who (and gals) who go sculling. By combining the push of the legs with the pull of the back and arms, a lot of force.
 I would think though that to attempt a wing design that simplicity would be most important as it would allow the weight of the wings to be kept to a minimal.
 I checked out this info on hang gliders and some lose 1 meter in altitude for every 17 meters of flight. Who knows, it might not be out of the question that one day someone will figure out how to fly. And don't be surprised if it's some hang glider.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_wing_glider#Performance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_wing_glider#Performance)
                                                                                                                    Jim
 
edited to add; a link of a dove taking off.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzkjEdnIl_U&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzkjEdnIl_U&feature=related)
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: helloha on November 13, 2012, 02:28:15 AM
HAPPY FLYING

wing suit skydive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N9t5qOSzCU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N9t5qOSzCU&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLWnS3gFJoM&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLWnS3gFJoM&feature=related)

jetpack http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSgrzMQv2Mc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSgrzMQv2Mc&feature=related)

or DIVING

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-7RlL3YtiQ&feature=g-vrec (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-7RlL3YtiQ&feature=g-vrec)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mQl84elXT4&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mQl84elXT4&feature=related)

or search for these events
Birdman Rally
Flugtag
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: truesearch on November 20, 2012, 04:36:42 PM
Anything new on the original thread topic of the "Magnet/Gravity Wheel"?


truesearch
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: golfinj98 on November 21, 2012, 05:57:45 AM
Search youtube for "Living Energy Machine".  Pretty interesting device
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Post by: johnny874 on November 21, 2012, 07:42:59 PM
HAPPY FLYING

wing suit skydive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N9t5qOSzCU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N9t5qOSzCU&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLWnS3gFJoM&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLWnS3gFJoM&feature=related)

jetpack http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSgrzMQv2Mc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSgrzMQv2Mc&feature=related)

or DIVING

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-7RlL3YtiQ&feature=g-vrec (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-7RlL3YtiQ&feature=g-vrec)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mQl84elXT4&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mQl84elXT4&feature=related)

or search for these events
Birdman Rally
Flugtag

  Those flying squirels are pretty cool. One thing I've given thought to is that with a bird, the weight of it's own wing might help it to fly. Just like with perpetual motion, conserving energy by using the potential that is there more efficiently allows for things that we just accept unless we are crazy as those guys.
 
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: tinu on November 22, 2012, 02:54:24 PM
REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL


how to buy this prototype? ??? ?

 
I don’t know about buying it but why not building it?! It’s very simple yet quite clever.
 
Here is my version about how it works:
Setup: non-magnetic big wheel, ferromagnetic ball.
Blue-red handheld “magnet” is actually a permanent magnet and a coil powered by a small oscillator or on-off switch (probably at several hundred hertz) plus a battery (of course), all concealed inside.
Initially, considering the coil not powered, the permanent magnet holds the ball in place, in equilibrium on the rim of the big wheel. There are no forces to create angular momentum thus no rotation. :(
 
However, by powering the small coil so as it works additive to the existing magnetic field of the permanent magnet, the coil will now attract the ball to a slightly higher equilibrium point. The ball will always get there by spinning because that’s the least energy-consuming movement (it’s pretty much similar to why a ball will spin on the floor when thrown away, instead of translating on the floor; simple stuff – hope you’ve got it).
When ball spins and rises toward the new equilibrium point, the big wheel spins too, due to friction. Interesting enough, both ball and wheel spin in the same direction. That’s a slight issue since in order the whole motor/setup to run as presented, when coil is shut of, the ball has to at least slightly slide downwards against the now turning wheel or otherwise the big wheel would not rotate as seen. It’s because of angular momentum conservation but I suppose the readers already understand it or they don’t care much.
 
Nevertheless, the setup although inefficient as a motor is pretty clever, very fun and easy to build!
Good luck and if I got it right, please post here or send me pictures with your setup.
 
Best regards,
 
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: GraViTaR on November 27, 2012, 07:29:18 AM
This wheel works just as described and as shown in the video. There is no trickery involved.

The steel ball is continuously rolling up the inside of the wheel to the magnet and the wheel is continuously turning underneath the ball. The action is like two gears turning with each other.

There is a power source: The magnet itself, which lifts the ball up the inside rim of the wheel.

The question is: Can a large scale version of this be built to generate any useful mechanical energy to do practical work?

The video clearly shows the wheel starting by itself from a dead stop and accelerating to its top speed.

The bearings, if any, on the axle of the wheel don't seem to be very efficient. This keeps the wheel from turning even faster. Also a metal bell on a metal wheel isn't very efficient for traction. I would have rubber on the inside of the wheel to greatly improve the traction of the rolling ball on the rim.

I think the main problem with the people who think this can't work is that they are unable to visualize the rotation of the steel ball in relation to the wheel, which is the key to how this works. Concepts of this type take a certain level of intuition that some people just don't have.

Thanks you, gadgetmall, for starting this thread. Good job.
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: TinselKoala on November 27, 2012, 07:42:41 AM
I like tinu's explanation better.

If you build it using Tinu's ideas it will probably work. Will it work if you build it using Gravitar's explanation?
Build it and see. Leave your imperfect intuition at home and look at what you are seeing, not what you want to see.

Plus, you could always go to the website of the presenters of this wheel, and read the explanations there. Is it possible to believe that they have invented a real working magnet motor, and are exhibiting it, claiming that it is fake, just so they don't get suppressed? Sure, if you have a certain level of intuition.
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Post by: mscoffman on November 27, 2012, 08:45:12 PM
This device as shown in the video doesn't really work. First a ball up the side of a wheel doesn't cause the wheel to turn unless it
is glued to it (has common braking force).  A gear would work better but only as the ratio of momentum of the small gear wheel to
the larger one and the gear teeth will cause additional step friction. The ball will simply go into balance between the forces of
gravity and the magnetic forces. Nothing will be out out balance and nothing will be causing the wheel to turn. Magnets automatically
have additional braking forces due to Lenz interactions that cause additional mechanical losses to occur so that any given proper
motion will die out and the system will come into balance. This coming into balance is a major reason why simple mechanical free
energy machines don't work.

The reason the wheel rotates in the video is because the person has his hand on magnet. This is known as a "hand magnet"
and anytime you see a persons body part in a demonstration of a free energy device it must be called out. A persons body part
provides nervous energy which is a servo mechanical force that is not under the direct control of an individual and will occur even if he
is attempting to suppress major motion. He can suppress the major low frequency motion only by stimulating it's higher frequency
motion through tactal/muscular feedback that he is not directly aware of. At the end of the session his muscles will feel tired though
because he has supplied the energy to make the device move.   

:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: Enstenow on November 21, 2013, 12:20:48 AM
Yes mscoffman, you are right
" This coming into balance is a major reason why simple mechanical free energy machines don't work. "

This video is a hoax : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkLfpXpO5sQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkLfpXpO5sQ)


Really,
The concept of this perpetual wheel has been patented in 1823.

That invention is fully described in book " Mechanical Appliances and Novelties of Construction" published in 1927 by Gardner D. Hiscox, Mechanical Engineer, and Norman W. Henley.

http://nsa33.casimages.com/img/2013/11/21/131121120814958041.jpg

Book (complete article) : page 367 - 40. (http://books.google.fr/books?id=FjYDAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA367&hl=fr&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false)

 ;)

Enstenow
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: TinselKoala on November 21, 2013, 01:08:42 AM
The video is NOT a hoax. You could call it a "puzzle" but veproject1 does not claim that it is a working perpetual motion or magnet/gravity motor. It is a working _model_ of a PMM design. Of course it doesn't work by the "obvious" way! Neither does it work by the way mscoffman has guessed above.

It is another demonstration from veproject1 of historical PMMs through the ages. Please check out their website and their other YT videos.
http://www.veproject1.org/ (http://www.veproject1.org/)
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: gadgetmall on November 21, 2013, 01:48:32 AM
quote from madmen or wisemen

Yet though this dark secret has never been found out fior ever will it has been of mighty use to the advancement of the arts for mankind in searching for it have found many other things of very great value Mystery has ever been a thing of great value to mankind it is indeed the mother of curiosity Since now a days to all informed minds perpetual motion seems at once a thing of entire impossibility to find out it must surely be a great folly in any artizan or man of genius to waste his days and his substance in order to make the discovery the thing is Nature herself on one of her grandest scales it is the utmost presumption therefore in man to dare to mimic her The ocean as it ebbs and flows is a perpetual motion death and life on the earth also are the same thing and obvious to all are the ever wheeling orbs in the firmament of heaven The Almighty has wisely ordered that nature should ever be in continual motion never stable the continual movement is therefore an invention of the Deity for his rational creatures to contemplate and do little else with as the causes by which it is actuated are concealed from our feeble comprehensions in impenetrable darkness we may say they are gravity attraction and so forth but what these are we know not they are only names we give to causes whose properties are unknown the workmen we may say who do stupendous things which set us a wondering but to whom we are entire strangers .

We don't know everything !

gadget
Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: TinselKoala on November 21, 2013, 02:59:29 AM
Well, at least some of us know how to use "periods" to set off English sentences.

Here, toss a few of these into that run-on rant.

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Title: Re: REAL WORKING MAGNET GRAVITY WHEEL !! It WORKS !!
Post by: dieter on February 08, 2014, 01:43:52 AM
Ok, let's say tinu is right. what if we power the oscilllator with the wheel? A little bit of Lorenz force won't stop it, and the oscilation may be tiny.


Or, what if we add like wire bars at the outside of the wheel that will cause an oscillation?