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Author Topic: Free Energy Magnet Motor ?  (Read 51615 times)

Offline Magluvin

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Re: Free Energy Magnet Motor ?
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2012, 04:23:12 AM »
@gadgetmall: Before you get all excited you really should check to see if your hamster wheel test still "works" if the magnet is rigidly clamped to something and cannot possibly move, once you've got it in position.

If it does still work with the magnet clamped solid and not hand-held, I'll join you in your excitement.

Good point.  Ill wait for the answer as to if it was hand held.

MaGs

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« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2012, 04:23:12 AM »

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Re: Free Energy Magnet Motor ?
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2012, 04:24:39 AM »
@gadgetmall: Before you get all excited you really should check to see if your hamster wheel test still "works" if the magnet is rigidly clamped to something and cannot possibly move, once you've got it in position.

If it does still work with the magnet clamped solid and not hand-held, I'll join you in your excitement.

i saw the effect of the steel ball rising and slipping and spinning inside the wheel and turning the hamster wheel BUT it is plastic and there is no rail to hold the ball in one centered place . it turned a couple of times with a magnet held on a stack of cardboard .. it was enough for me to get  started buying some rims to make one built out of aluminum . It appears to need a permanent rail to hold the ball in the field of a strong magnet pole . It will lift the magnet  to off center the thing and make it turn counterclockwise the ball spins and slips a little about a 1/2 inch and spins back in the field. a solid metal rail will work .I think .  Its like a smot except it have an extra potential the weight of the ball.. I stated a new thread and i'll keep ya posted !
BTW . I Love your contraption you guys are playin with . Us experimenters are playing with ever aspect of a free energy devices / Funny how we switch back and forth from electronics to water !! I am [playing with delay line coils , nitinol , various exotic metals for electric power ,and now back to magnets with gravity .

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Re: Free Energy Magnet Motor ?
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2012, 04:43:57 AM »

Hey gadget

'the damn thing works !!'

Really?  ;]    I have seen this in a thread here or at OUR and the masters of the universe say its a fake. ;]  I dont remember any build that encouraged that conclusion. ;]

I didnt build it either, but I thought about it quite a bit.  I just watched the video again, and for some reason I see things a bit differently. The power of suggestion.

1   I see video, read posts of , Fake fake fake, and come to the conclusion that it is. Without 1 test.

2 I see video, read your posts, Works, now I want to build it.

lol

Hamster wheel? I have to get one. lol  Just kidding. I have plenty of materials to build this 10 ways. The article suggests a ribbed surface for the magnet to roll on for more advanced model.


Got a 3 day weekend, and I have to spend a bit of time at my shop, so Ill see what I can whip together. Im working on a coil project at the moment, so I wont be able to put considerable time on this at the moment. But I dont think it will take long at all. 

Thanks
Good to see ya back around. ;]

MaGs
I know i have read the threads about it being fake elsewhere and all the statements were made without any device built or work to prove or back up their statement of a fake .  . I can't settle  with that when i can see an effect that is shown even if is just a little . Yes i did hold the magnet on top of stacked cardboard to get the height right:)you have to do that first . the second thing is after you get the heights of your magnet it has to move close enuff to grab the magnet . then is has to slid back just a little to allow the ball to roll down and slide back up just a tiny bit . i can see that if there is a rail to hold the ball in one plain and is a surface that allows it to "stick,and let the ball slide a little it does turn the wheel . SO . That was enough of a push to get me going also. It's should be an easy project and not so much money for me or us to show this thing . I am stoked but also have a coil project :) still hammering at a first gen Joule ringer . I think some delay line coils built right could replicate Lasersabers first version . I also built Ver 2. 0 but running it with just an aa battery and only lights LEDS and led bulb at this time . waiting for some bigger E-cores to step it up like his ver two but not with a 6 volt battery pack,just a single cell . Ok i'll keep ya posted . Also good to see you Man . Now that summer is almost over and school is started i have a bit more time for myself to play on my projects .. 

PS . I have had a Smile on my face since i seen this hamster wheel turn . Smiled so much it has given me a headache.. Need to rest a bit . take care bro's  ..... Gadget out

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Re: Free Energy Magnet Motor ?
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2012, 09:26:18 AM »
I like the concept of the satellite motors. Wondering, if many of the satellites stacked together all around the spinning rotor produce enough power to drive a 1-3 Watt motor which in turn could feed a secondary motor or eventually self-feed (to a spinning rotor with attached magnet) ?

Also interested in the hamsterwheel... Awesome how simple the principle is, and if it works, the fact it wouldn't need any wearing parts on the long run.

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Re: Free Energy Magnet Motor ?
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2013, 03:05:21 AM »
http://www.energysea.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1050&extra=page%3D1

我对它的改动主要是把往复运动改为旋转运动。类比汽车活塞发动机和转子发动机。
想象一下,把图2那个移动磁铁不要上下运动,改为水平的向左运动。也是可以有力量运动起来的,力量大小先不管,只看运动磁铁各个位置之间,力的比较,以及各个位置力的总和。如果朝向某一个方向的总和力大于另一个方向,那就可以自动转起来了。
然后画一个图,体现出想象情况,考察想象是否正确。
然后再多画几套相同的磁铁系统连起来,如果还可以,就把这些套磁铁布置成一个对称的圆。如果还可以,就OK啦。
好的上图!图3 就是啦!

 
前天 19:36 上传下载附件 (1.6 MB)
图3


图中:
红色方块代表永久磁铁N极,蓝色代表永久磁铁S极。
黄色是导磁软铁。
内圈逆时针旋转的是永久磁铁转子。
外圈有固定的永久磁铁定子。
白色是软铁做的导磁片。它顺时针旋转,与转子 速度相同,方向相反,位置相关,即靠齿轮传动定位。
gif动画图是16步旋转,每步旋转3.75度。
仔细看图中每一步,看转子、导磁片、定子之间的引力斥力关系,估计大小。
估计有利的力大于不利的,就可以转起来啦。
因为没有任何输入,只要能转,就是超一(overunit)啦。


有了草图,就可以仔细分析运动情况了。
这个机构是60度角一个周期,看半个周期就进入对称循环了。所以先看右下角有绿色7字的图:看局部图4.
 
昨天 05:37 上传下载附件 (25.42 KB)
图4
这个时刻,
1号箭头处,最右边红蓝磁铁有吸力,要拉白色导磁片顺时针旋转。
2号箭头处,磁力线不能穿透导磁片,此处基本平衡。
3号箭头处,导磁片仍然挡着动、定两个蓝磁铁。
4号箭头处,蓝磁铁受到左上边红磁铁的一些吸引,有使蓝磁铁逆时针旋转的力。
5号箭头处,中间转子红磁铁仍然受到右上定子红磁铁的推力,要逆时针运动。
6号箭头处,中间转子红磁铁还有一些受到上方定子蓝磁铁吸引对正的力,使其逆时针旋转。
全部是有效的力大于反力。

还有8、9、A、B、C、D、E, 7 个图可以逐步分析。 我得到的结论是:可以自动旋转。
 
 
« Last Edit: July 11, 2013, 07:06:41 AM by Pan yuming »

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Re: Free Energy Magnet Motor ?
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2013, 04:59:05 PM »
I actually have a font installed for that? Who knew.

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Re: Free Energy Magnet Motor ?
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2013, 04:48:46 AM »
This is Chinese Font.   Google Translated:
Figures 1 and 2 essentially the same, the same principle is true, I just improved this machine, just refer to the other types. Figure 1 Figure 2 motion was as smooth.
Many people say that you can succeed.
More successful people Mdl415 said: "My machine well, with a 12 magnets, magnet spent less than $ 60, spent a total of 400 yuan. Mounted on the bike tried, now run about 200 km , the mountain dirt road also ran more than 10 kilometers, climbing is also no problem, speed is probably 40 veins, did not run too fast, dynamic okay. "
I also play with a little simple magnet and iron tablets, indeed, there is no guide disk size is much less repulsive, Me!
Others did not say we do not know the structure, will not care, they learn out in Figure 2 of this publication has become well-known structures.
I is the main changes its reciprocating motion to rotary motion. Analog car piston engine and rotor engines.
Imagine moving magnet of Figure 2 that do not move up and down to the level of the left. You can also have the power to exercise it, the power of the size of the first matter, just look at each position of the magnet movement between the force comparisons as well as the sum of each position and force. If you toward a certain direction is greater than the sum of the other direction, it can automatically turn up.
Then draw a diagram, reflecting the imagined situation, examine imagine correctly.
Then draw more sets of the same magnet system all together, if you can, put them in sets of magnets arranged in a symmetrical circle. If you can, OK it.
Good on the map! Figure 3 is it!

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Re: Free Energy Magnet Motor ?
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2013, 05:06:38 AM »
In the drawings:
Red boxes represent the N-pole permanent magnet, blue represents the S pole permanent magnet.
Yellow is the magnetic soft iron.
Counterclockwise rotation of the inner rotor is a permanent magnet.
The outer ring has a fixed permanent magnet stators.
White is made ​​of soft iron magnetic sheets. It rotates clockwise at the same speed with the rotor in the opposite direction, the position-related, that by positioning gear.
gif animation map is rotated 16 steps, each step rotated 3.75 degrees.
Figure carefully each step, see the rotor, guide disk, the gravitational repulsion relationship between the stator estimated size.
The force is greater than the estimated favorable unfavorable, you can turn up friends.
Because there is no input, just be able to turn that over a (overunit) friends.





This moment,
The 1st arrow at the far right red and blue magnet with suction to pull the white guide disk rotates clockwise.
2, the arrow, the magnetic field lines can not penetrate magnetoconductive here basically balanced.
3 arrows, guide disk is still blocked off move, given two blue magnets.
4, arrows, left upper red blue magnet by several magnets attract, blue magnet with the force rotating counterclockwise.
5 arrows, intermediate rotor magnet remains red red magnet stators being thrust right to counter-clockwise motion.
6 arrows, some intermediate rotor magnet red blue magnet by the Fang Dingzai attract positive force to rotate counterclockwise.
All valid reaction force greater than the force.

There 8,9, A, B, C, D, E, 7 can be gradually analysis dpi. My conclusion is: can automatically rotate.

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Re: Free Energy Magnet Motor ?
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2013, 05:16:57 AM »
My conclusion is: can automatically rotate....

No it won't.

Using a bit of mathematics, (specifically Noether's theorem ) one can state with absolute certainty that there is no possible physical arrangement of permanent magnets that can give rise to continuous self rotating device.

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« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2013, 01:28:20 PM »
Thank you LibreEnergia !
Yes, I know. According to conventional physics, perpetual motion is impossible; Output more than input  impossible. But this forum why it is called 'OU'? :)

Why do not I try to do the prototyping? I have not material.

Thank you google.

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Re: Free Energy Magnet Motor ?
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2013, 04:59:50 PM »
Would it be a good time to remind us of the following?


In 1895 Lord Kelvin, the President of the Royal Society of England made a forceful declaration. "Heavier than air flying machines are impossible".

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« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2013, 06:00:12 PM »
@ True Search
I have a comment dated 12th July 2013 from Mark Dansie
I have never seen any evidence of a self running, self looped free energy machine or process that did not require external input. (even lENR needs external power)
The second is not a statement but a request
"Show me the Data"
I am always happy to be proved wrong

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« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2013, 08:01:14 PM »
lol @libre always counting your chickens before they hatch ey..

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« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2013, 03:55:22 PM »
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http://www.energysea.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1050&extra=page%3D1

我对它的改动主要是把往复运动改为旋转运动。类比汽车活塞发动机和转子发动机。
想象一下,把图2那个移动磁铁不要上下运动,改为水平的向左运动。也是可以有力量运动起来的,力量大小先不管,只看运动磁铁各个位置之间,力的比较,以及各个位置力的总和。如果朝向某一个方向的总和力大于另一个方向,那就可以自动转起来了。
然后画一个图,体现出想象情况,考察想象是否正确。
然后再多画几套相同的磁铁系统连起来,如果还可以,就把这些套磁铁布置成一个对称的圆。如果还可以,就OK啦。
好的上图!图3 就是啦!

 
前天 19:36 上传下载附件 (1.6 MB)
图3


图中:
红色方块代表永久磁铁N极,蓝色代表永久磁铁S极。
黄色是导磁软铁。
内圈逆时针旋转的是永久磁铁转子。
外圈有固定的永久磁铁定子。
白色是软铁做的导磁片。它顺时针旋转,与转子 速度相同,方向相反,位置相关,即靠齿轮传动定位。
gif动画图是16步旋转,每步旋转3.75度。
仔细看图中每一步,看转子、导磁片、定子之间的引力斥力关系,估计大小。
估计有利的力大于不利的,就可以转起来啦。
因为没有任何输入,只要能转,就是超一(overunit)啦。


有了草图,就可以仔细分析运动情况了。
这个机构是60度角一个周期,看半个周期就进入对称循环了。所以先看右下角有绿色7字的图:看局部图4.
 
昨天 05:37 上传下载附件 (25.42 KB)
图4
这个时刻,
1号箭头处,最右边红蓝磁铁有吸力,要拉白色导磁片顺时针旋转。
2号箭头处,磁力线不能穿透导磁片,此处基本平衡。
3号箭头处,导磁片仍然挡着动、定两个蓝磁铁。
4号箭头处,蓝磁铁受到左上边红磁铁的一些吸引,有使蓝磁铁逆时针旋转的力。
5号箭头处,中间转子红磁铁仍然受到右上定子红磁铁的推力,要逆时针运动。
6号箭头处,中间转子红磁铁还有一些受到上方定子蓝磁铁吸引对正的力,使其逆时针旋转。
全部是有效的力大于反力。

还有8、9、A、B、C、D、E, 7 个图可以逐步分析。 我得到的结论是:可以自动旋转。

 

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