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Gravity powered devices => Gravity powered devices => Topic started by: johnny874 on August 30, 2012, 05:25:32 PM
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Will build when I am able a modified heron's Fountain and will keep the patent rights.
I could use the money. After all, coworkers along with my family have done what they can to keep me from having a family.
Not everyone one in my family is that messed up thankfully but have missed the best part of life because of what other people think.
And when they say turn disability into ability, there always seems to be some jealous person around.
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You just wait. Someday, when I can get out of bed, I'll build the world's best perpetual motion machine, using a 2000 year old design, and I'll keep the patent all to myself. So there. Right now though you people are keeping me from doing anything. If I only had a family I'd show you all. But the Army put my family into poverty. I went to tech school to learn how to use a lathe, but I can't stand up for long and I got a chip in one eye plus I can't hear either, so nobody would let me use their lathe after a while. I've missed the best part of my life because people are thinking things about me. But you'll see. I'm going to stop posting and just build something, the best perpetual machine ever. I'll build a Bessler wheel, then I'll build an overunity lever, then I'll build a Heron's Fountain that doesn't use gravity at all, it will work in zero g because it uses vacuum instead of pressure. As soon as I have my next three surgeries and the doctors let me walk, I'll start building something, if they haven't stolen all my tools. They did before, you know, just to keep me and my inventions from seeing the light of day.
You'll see.
I'm going to stop posting now. Good bye.
And if people would just let me, I'll save the world with my inventions.
But I'm going to stop posting here because you are all a bunch of conspirators preventing me from getting anywhere or living my life. I'm going to go away now and stop posting.
Bye now.
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tk,
ur just jealous because I understand this better than u.
and yep, do believe bill deleted ur post and my response to it, when you can't discuss engineering, play head games, it's all you have.
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Yeah, and I'm sure you will PROVE ME WRONG.
Just as soon as you are feeling well enough to get out of bed.
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@all,
there is a real simple way to build a working device like this,
if the tube going down into the water is 1 1/2 inches in diameter and a tube coming out the side is 1/4 inch in diameter, it should have no problem working continuously,
The reason why is the larger tube has a surface area of about 1.75 cubic inches and tne smaller tube has .05 cubic inches.
They both would have 14 psi of air pressure acting on them.
What happens is when the larger tube causes the air pressure in the completely closed reservoir, it releases the increase in pressure pumping water through the smaller tube.
The reason why no one has thought of this is because static heads are supposed to level themselves with each other. It seems what Heron discovered is that when air is added to the system is that rules of hudraulics become what is important.
You see, if this didn't happen then his fountain never would have worked.
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The reason why is the larger tube has a surface area of about 1.75 cubic inches and tne smaller tube has .05 cubic inches.
Priceless. Surface area is now measured in cubic inches. Who knew?
Now we have the secret of overunity.
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Priceless. Surface area is now measured in cubic inches. Who knew?
Now we have the secret of overunity.
I thought you were supposed to be smart ? that's not the secret of perpetual motion, it's air in the system because it allows for hydraulic principles to be used.
But knowing how to calculate volume and surface area allows the effects of compressed air to vreate a fountain. You seem to forget in your rush to demonstrate your lack of brains that Heron's Fountain does work. It shouldn't because equal forces are acting on the water in each container which woul be atmospheric pressure.
And as I mentioned, when air is compressed, it seems it acts as a medium. Basically, if 2 square inches of surface area is used to compress air, then if the surface area of the air is 1 square inch, then it could have a maximum of 28 psi. I think that's enough to pump some water. Especially if it's into a 1/4 inch tube because .05 is 1/40th the potential.
But you and Bill are like Alan, you're not interested in seeing a working pmm. As Alan once told me, he'd show me how to be credible and the first thing he did was to discredit someone's idea. Gauranteed to be credible since perpetual motion is considered impossib
But I guess you and bill have nothing to discuss in the other parts of the forum where they work on things you are interested in. Of course, anyone can go check out besslerwheel and see it's pretty dead in there. it's because of people like you who want to make fun of people who try.
What I do like about you the most is you will attack a disabled Vet who has been openly disciminated against, shows real class.
edited to add; @all, surface area is calculated by PiR^2 and volume of a cylinder would be multiplied by height. Of course, a cylinder doesn't have to be used but the inlet and outlet tubes might be easier to find if they're round.
And for those who aren't familiar with PiR^2, it's 3.142 times the radius multiplied by itself. An example of this is a 1 inch diameter tube has a radius of .5 inches and would be calculated by going .5 x .5 = .25 x 3.142 = 0.7855 cubic inches.
R^2 Pi
Not sure if it matters to you guys but it is strange that by compressing air it could allow for a different behavior. As I have mentioned
before, static heads are supposed to balance in height. I think the change using Heron's invention would allow for is the potential of the
larger static head to be converted into energy. Without the air, the potential is there but it can not perform any work without draining the
reservoir. But with the air, the water would have an opposing force acting on it, the air in the reservoir.
Of course, it's always possible Heron tried this and it didn't work.
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Jim:
I think what TK was poking at was your quote of " surface area of about 1.75 cubic inches ".
Generally people are accustom to seeing "area" measured in sq. inches (or sq. ft., etc) rather than using a volume measurement such as "cubic inches".
trueasearch
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And for those who aren't familiar with PiR^2, it's 3.142 times the radius multiplied by itself. An example of this is a 1 inch diameter tube has a radius of .5 inches and would be calculated by going .5 x .5 = .25 x 3.142 = 0.7855 cubic inches.
Keep digging, Jim, there is plenty of room at the bottom.
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Jim:
I think what TK was poking at was your quote of " surface area of about 1.75 cubic inches ".
Generally people are accustom to seeing "area" measured in sq. inches (or sq. ft., etc) rather than using a volume measurement such as "cubic inches".
trueasearch
That's right, generally they are. And generally they understand that when you multiply inches by inches by a dimensionless constant there is NO WAY that your answer could be in "Cubic inches". So what Jim has shown us, three times now in two separate posts, is that he can punch buttons on a calculator but has no idea what they mean, nor can he do the most elementary "sanity checking" or dimensional analysis in his head. And this, of course, isn't his fault, it's the Army's, or his doctor's, or the meds he's on, or the persecution he gets from Bill and Andy.
ETA: Maybe it's just a typo, and he really meant to say "cubic inches per inch".
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Have gone back over and read some old posts. it seems some people really have an issue with someone trying to build.
I'm not a wood worker but have been taking the time to learn. am going to take it slow with Bessler's wheel. Still need surgery before I can return to work and it does make things more challenging. After all, learning can be expensive because it does require doing something.
Have fun tk and Bill because tk is right, I don't belong in here.
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Jim:
I think what TK was poking at was your quote of " surface area of about 1.75 cubic inches ".
Generally people are accustom to seeing "area" measured in sq. inches (or sq. ft., etc) rather than using a volume measurement such as "cubic inches".
trueasearch
it's a bad habit I got into when I realized that 28 cubic inches of water can have a surface area of 28 inches. If the water drops one inch in level, it can fill a tube that is 28 inches tall with 1 cubic inch of volume per inch. that would allow for the water to drain into a bucket and cause the pump to work becasuse it would allow for the use of leverage. basically, the 1 lb. of water would have a 2 ft. drop. This violates mechanical principles because 1 lb. dropping 1 in. can only lift 1 lb. 1 in.so I guess lifting water 28 times as high pretty much would show where considering things only in one fashion can cause idea's to be missed that might work.
and for tk, I know ti would really take more than 1 lb. of water to pump a column 28 inches tall, but it would not be much more and with leverage, 1 lb. of water can drop 4 inches and create 4 times the force using leverage at a 4 to 1 ratio. no problem there.
Still, as I have been told by wise people, all I need is my job and my employer is being nice and holding it for me until I can get my medical situation resolved.
no reason it wouldn't work
truesearch,.here's a link to it. the idea at first was marginal but by the end of thread, it became something I like.
http://www.overunity.com/12426/continuously-flowing-water-theory/ (http://www.overunity.com/12426/continuously-flowing-water-theory/)
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See, I told you. He meant cubic inches per inch. How can we be so stupid? Why, just as soon as everybody gets off his back he'll show us how one inch of water with 28 cubic inches of surface area will push up a column of water one inch thick and 28 inches high.
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tk,
when somebody wants someone else to demonstrate something, they're usually not rude about it.
In a way it would help to demonstrate a principle Bessler used in his wheels.
edited to add; you're just wanting someone to dance for you like a puppet to be your entertainment.
edited to add; since bill will be posting a video demonstrating something, I won't need to. it could be viewed by some that I am trying to keep up with him.
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Yeah, and I'm sure you will PROVE ME WRONG.
Just as soon as you are feeling well enough to get out of bed.
Tinself Koala,
here is a quote from yours and Bills friend AB Hammer
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I want you to build your wheels. For only then, will you see I was only trying to save you some time and money. But since you don't believe my opinion you have no choice but to build. <<
More of what he had to say >> Here is something my grandfather told me a long time ago. (he died at 96 years of age) he worked till the day he died.
>> Never retire in your hart or mind for that is a consent to death. <<
So when you give up, your heath will deteriorate. Now, have I been truly cruel? Only if you look at it as you have to be cruel to be kind. (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/wink.gif (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/wink.gif)) <<
Talk about double speak. the post was dated >> Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant (http://www.overunity.com/7150/sjack-abeling-gravity-wheel-and-the-worlds-first-weight-power-plant/msg233525/#msg233525)« Reply #2282 on: March 20, 2010, 05:23:04 PM » << Since I was building, in order for Alan to be "credible" like you, he wanted to sound wise by giving me good advice not to build because perpetual motion is not possible but then turns around and tellls me i have no choice but to build. I had a choice, this is my hobby. I can stand on my own two feet just fine. I don't have the need to attack someone like you do tk. You have nothing and dislike not being able to keep up with me. Alan was the same way. there is no reason I should have to tolerate harassment from people who do not share information in the pursuit of perpetual motion, yet I have had to tolerate it. While Alan tried saying I needed to build because I would be giving in to my illness, I was building because credible coworkers helped me to lose my job because they thought making life difficult for a disabled vet was good entertainment. I've been at this longer than people like Alan and others like him and have put a lot of work into it. This is why i understand some things better than you which you can't accept. And the illness Alan is talking about is the same one I am having problems with which keep me from working. Not a lot of fun but still should be allowed to enjoy my hobby if I was around emotionally mature people.
edited to add; and if you read reply #2280 by one of AB Hammer's friends, said I hate being proven wrong. Do believe the design will work and have yet been proven wrong about it. The weights don't need to be lifted though but this might also let some of you guys who would like to see a working wheel understand some of what I have had to put up with in working on Bessler's wheel. And it's not even medically related, just constantly being insulted by people who are not here to see if it can't happen.
And what they do miss is that this is my hobby. never knew there was something wrong with having a hobby.
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You just wait. Someday, when I can get out of bed, I'll build the world's best perpetual motion machine, using a 2000 year old design, and I'll keep the patent all to myself. So there. Right now though you people are keeping me from doing anything. If I only had a family I'd show you all. But the Army put my family into poverty. I went to tech school to learn how to use a lathe, but I can't stand up for long and I got a chip in one eye plus I can't hear either, so nobody would let me use their lathe after a while. I've missed the best part of my life because people are thinking things about me. But you'll see. I'm going to stop posting and just build something, the best perpetual machine ever. I'll build a Bessler wheel, then I'll build an overunity lever, then I'll build a Heron's Fountain that doesn't use gravity at all, it will work in zero g because it uses vacuum instead of pressure. As soon as I have my next three surgeries and the doctors let me walk, I'll start building something, if they haven't stolen all my tools. They did before, you know, just to keep me and my inventions from seeing the light of day.
You'll see.
I'm going to stop posting now. Good bye.
And if people would just let me, I'll save the world with my inventions.
But I'm going to stop posting here because you are all a bunch of conspirators preventing me from getting anywhere or living my life. I'm going to go away now and stop posting.
Bye now.
You know tinsel, you remind me of people I used to work with. They got me fired when I tried to meet a woman. I think they were bored with their wives/lives or what ever, just like you are.
If you understood anything about engineering which you don't, you might have seen financial opportunity instead of an opportunity to attack me. I think that's funny.
A working Perpetual Heron Fountain would probably be worth something and that is a good reason for Bill to tell me he doesn't believe in patents. he'd like to see me screwed because I'm not friends with Alan.
Kind of why this forum sucks any more, it's been taken over by a few bored people that still think they're in junior high school.
And what ever I do, you don't matter. You think you do but between you and Bill, your opinion of me doesn't matter. and I think that is something you can't stand. you have to belittle someone so you can think you have something going on, just like Bill ignoring me and then talking about me. That's not ignoring someone, after all, I am still in his thoughts.
And I have posted this design on youtube and let most people who have built Heron's Fountains know about it in case they might want to try it and they might. After all, they wouldn't be playing forum politics would they ? Nope, they'd be doing something because they find it interesting. Simply put tk, you are a classless person.
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Your "design" is another bunch of illiterate sketches of something that doesn't work. You continue to pollute this thread and others with your self pity, your blaming of others for your failures, and your paranoid delusions, not to mention your gratuitous insults. You talk and complain, complain and talk, make your little sketches, but you NEVER BUILD ANYTHING. You cannot PROVE ME WRONG about anything, and your continuing failures to make anything that works.... prove that you are wrong about what you contend.
The most laughable thing of all is that you do the same thing that the rest of your tribe does: You say "goodbye" on a daily basis.... but you never actually leave.
Go ahead.... sneak away from all those people who are preventing you, suppressing you, getting you fired, stealing your ideas... go ahead, stand up for yourself for a change and build something that PROVES ME WRONG.
Sadly.... hilariously.... you cannot.
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Your "design" is another bunch of illiterate sketches of something that doesn't work. You continue to pollute this thread and others with your self pity, your blaming of others for your failures, and your paranoid delusions, not to mention your gratuitous insults. You talk and complain, complain and talk, make your little sketches, but you NEVER BUILD ANYTHING. You cannot PROVE ME WRONG about anything, and your continuing failures to make anything that works.... prove that you are wrong about what you contend.
The most laughable thing of all is that you do the same thing that the rest of your tribe does: You say "goodbye" on a daily basis.... but you never actually leave.
Go ahead.... sneak away from all those people who are preventing you, suppressing you, getting you fired, stealing your ideas... go ahead, stand up for yourself for a change and build something that PROVES ME WRONG.
Sadly.... hilariously.... you cannot.
>> You continue to pollute this thread <<
In the thread about milcovik's pendulum, all you and pirate88719 did was to pollute it. You mentioned nothing about the pendulum or the design.
>> , but you NEVER BUILD ANYTHING <<
I do build, but just as you didn't show your fountain for almost a week, showing work is not a requirement. It is possible someone else may understand it in seeing it under construction and jump the build because they can.
>> build something that PROVES ME WRONG. <<
You got that right, it is about proving you wrong. Alan was the same way. All he did was harass me while I WAS building. Never have seen him build anything in this forum.
And the last point, why are people like you who do not believe perpetual motion possible in this forum pretending to be interested in it ? You are the one who is in the wrong place.
And tk, here is something I posted and was building while being treated for cancer. Couldn't get Mr. Credible, AB Hammer to leave me alone.
Don't need him telling me what I can and can't do. Yet he said what ever problem he has is worse than having cancer. Talk about having friends for jokes. And yep, he took the thread over and made it about him, him, chim and nothing but him.
Maybe my attitude in here has come from being attacked for building while so called experts won't even discuss the feasability of something being perpetual. Maybe why I have learned what I have, while I've been in here i have been taking the time to better understand the challenge that is perpetual motion. It does take effort and time to learn, somethiing you experts don't have which is why all the attacks.
http://www.overunity.com/6900/my-current-build/ (http://www.overunity.com/6900/my-current-build/)
p.s. And while you said I was polluting this thread, it was actually you nit picking me while I was trying to discuss how Heron's Fountain could be made perpetual. And yep, do believe i have it right. Just modifying what Heron did but you don't understand it. And once again, your attacks mentioned nothing of the design, nothing. So really, only a fool would have anything to prove to someone like you that can not make a reasonable opinion against the possibility of something working. I just haven't seen that in your attacks on me.
and with you guys and heron's Fountain, would even consider overuntiy while working in an overunity forum, that's rich, lmao !
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You haven't shown anything that works. You haven't shown anything that refutes any of my points. In fact, all you have shown is that you blame other people and your health for your inability to do anything. All you have is excuses and your mistaken ideas about gravity, leverage, pressure, buoyancy and so on.
It took me a couple of hours to build my fountain. You, with all your skills and ability and intelligence, could probably build YOUR OWN, if only people would stop harassing you and distracting you, and if only your illnesses would let you do anything other than TYPE.
And if you could only build your own, and plumb it like you have shown, you will see just how very wrong you are. But you aren't going to be doing that, are you.... somebody has you tied to your bed, you can't afford scrap plastic and glue, and you live too far from a hardware store to be able to buy tubing. Besides, your tummy hurts. Aww..... poor you. If only you felt better, you'd show us all, with your... what is it now, four or five different perpetual motion machines.... you've got a whole gallery of them. Too bad you feel so lousy.... the world could really use a Saviour right now, and you know you're it, don't you Jim.... if only you weren't so sick and weak and constantly being held back by people like me.
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you're sounding jealous tk. I mean just because I have 3 different ideas and you don't have any. Of course Bessler's wheel isn't mine.
If you,d like to pay for my shop space and materials, I could work more quickly. Right now I have to deal with reality because of the income I am losing from not being anle to work. You sound like you're finacially independent and don't need to work. And once again you're attacking me without mentioning engineering. Believe that's all you have.
Anybody with build experience would think this would be a good time for me to review my idea's and see if I can't improve them while reducing my costs. I do have to be concerned about how much I can afford to spend right now and your only concern is getting your ego stroked. Do need to wonder what your friends see in you, it can't be much.
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Facepalm. If only this, if only that, can't afford this, they are keeping you from that.... and "you must be financially independent TK" ..... you are indeed a fool, can't even write your own script. Too bad you can't stand on your own two feet--- you'd make a fair standup comic.
It's very convenient for you that you can't do anything but whine. Because if you ever DID get out of bed and build one of your silly "ideas" you'd find out how wrong you really are. But that won't stop you, will it. You probably have more silly non-workable ideas in a day than I do in a week. Why don't you go do some research for a change, since you are incapable of doing any work.
Here's something mechanical I built a long time ago, and I'm showing it here just to refute your silly accusations and assumptions about me. Machined to tolerances of 0.0001 inch, every bit made by me from metal stock, runs on a very small pressure differential of 2 psi, illustrates a clever mechanism. No levers? Awwww.... shucks. Let's see your levers then, Jimbo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeyHiEpT6ZU
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you know what I like about you ? You are showing the way some people are about.
And as you say, if I have more than one idea, I must be the Second Coming of Jesus, after all, you think you that smart.
One thing I do that you won't is discuss other peoples ideas with them.
That is the problem with people like, you have to screw someone over because you want everyone to think you have some thing going on which if you didm you wouldn't be bothering me.
like say, I can't work according to my situation but should answer to you when you don't know crap about engineering or the build I want to do. This means you're another jerk just like Alan,
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tinselkoala, you are slippery as a snake. you show you machinec someting and alan would show his armor.
if you machined it to the tolerance you claim, doubt it was done on a used mill. everybody knows mills develop twice your tolerane in play because metal does wear.
I think you're full of shit.
If you want to refute what I say, discuss engineering but I know you're not capable of that.
it's like alan always told me, it's all about who's more aggressive anc rhat's all you got.
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tinselkoala, you are slippery as a snake. you show you machinec someting and alan would show his armor.
if you machined it to the tolerance you claim, doubt it was done on a used mill. everybody knows mills develop twice your tolerane in play because metal does wear.
I think you're full of shit.
If you want to refute what I say, discuss engineering but I know you're not capable of that.
it's like alan always told me, it's all about who's more aggressive anc rhat's all you got.
The poor mechanic always blames his tools. And you have just revealed how poor you are. Accuracy is in the machinist, not the machine. You have no idea what you are talking about and you are calling me a liar and saying that I am full of shit. And in another thread you accuse ME of stalking YOU! What a paranoid, deluded individual you are.
That little Scotch Yoke motor wouldn't even turn if it didn't have the accuracy and precision I stated. IT RUNS ON 2 PSI. You call me a liar and tell me I'm full of shit...... I tell you to produce something, ANYTHING, comparable at all. But you cannot. You are just a talker, and not a very good one either, because whenever you are challenged or shown to be wrong, you fall back on your tried and true tactic: You insult, lie, and start blaming other people for your own inability to perform.
I am indeed capable of discussing engineering -- and the people who issued me my degrees and certifications agree with me on that little matter -- mister "Cubic inches of surface area", but there is no point in doing it with you, because you don't even have the necessary common language and you refuse to educate yourself. Your silly sketches have nothing to do with engineering and any bright ten year old can tell you at a glance that they won't work. None of them ! And if you knew how to calculate moments and arms, torques and forces, pressures and volumes, energy and momentum, you'd see it for yourself. But you cannot. Cubic inches of surface area! Three times in two separate posts, and NOT a typo! Cubic inches per inch !!!
We know you can't build anything. We know you can't do math. We know you don't understand machining, or machine tools. All you really seem to be able to do is to insult people and lie about them. But you don't even do that very well, since your insults and lies are so easily refuted with facts and references and demonstrations.
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The poor mechanic always blames his tools. And you have just revealed how poor you are. Accuracy is in the machinist, not the machine. You have no idea what you are talking about and you are calling me a liar and saying that I am full of shit. And in another thread you accuse ME of stalking YOU! What a paranoid, deluded individual you are.
http://www.overunity.com/12640/herons-fountain/15/#.UEOTqnmYTTo (http://www.overunity.com/12640/herons-fountain/15/#.UEOTqnmYTTo)
reply 23 to pirate88719.
here's a way you might try it Bill, just trying to be helpful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5LpJAR3cM0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5LpJAR3cM0)
his reply to me, reply #28
TK and all:
I have old Johnny on ignore and can't see what he is posting...I am sure I am not missing much. Ignore is such a great feature.
tinselkoala's "build", http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlLYD4CSJLU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlLYD4CSJLU)
and if you look at the 4:00 minute mark, he doesn't explain why adding the straw to the outlet tube slows down the flow of water almost enough to stop it.
And what I posted , reply #27;
TK,
the reason the flow slowed so much when you put the straw on the discharge tube is because the weight of the static head increased. but with what I drew, only one chamber is necessary because of a barrier which can be over flowed. that is what would allow for it possibly going perpetual.
And what tinselkoala is now saying;
We know you can't build anything. We know you can't do math. We know you don't understand machining, or machine tools. All you really seem to be able to do is to insult people and lie about them. But you don't even do that very well, since your insults and lies are so easily refuted with facts and references and demonstrations.
The attached pic is a build I could finish if I felt like it. But then as tinselkoala has maintained, it is about proving something to him. It's not.
The people on youtube that I sent the link to about the modification I believe would allow it to work perpetually are people that find it interesting.
As for one reason I do not need to build, my doctors and my employer both agree that i need to resolve my medical problems before returning to work. I work for Amazon.com and not tinselkoala, something he has missed.
btw tinself koala, this is all about you,right ? After all, you are the one who jumped into a thread I started and started harassing me with your first post. I mean the words "you blew it" refering to me were posted for what reason ? It's all on you. Of course, someone else posted they think it's funny when you correct someone, but you didn't correct me.
I guess AB Hammer was right when he said this forum is all about who the most aggressive person is.
edited to add, and once again tinself koala, your attacks omit engineering. you only want me to prove something to you so you can tell everyone even jim has to do what I want. I don't live for your happiness nor your approval.
You remind me of a preacher that used to harass me at work, it turned out he didn't read the Bible unless it was to tell someone what they had to do, he didn't know any other scripture. I guess one thing you don't know about me is I had to change careers from machining to warehousing because of problems my hearing loss cause. Also went to school for machining.
So why don't you bother someone else or show something yourself that is a mechanical build using levers. You can't for the simple reason is that you are a lost little boy when it comes to mechanical engineering.
And if anyone takes the time to look in other parts of the forum, I rarely if ever post there because I like to stick with what I know.
edited to add; yep, -people are checking out my design :D
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@all,
tomorrow I'll post a video showing two tubes next to each other. one will have a slightly higher fluid level which is not considered possible.
what it is is basic proof that modifying Heron's Fountain could work perpetually.
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@All,
I am quite excited. I just played the video back on my television and the discrepancy between the two static heads was much more than I thought,
In the video, I open the container to show it is in accordance with my claims.
I have decided to name my discovery Heron's Effect because it was his work that lead me to my discovery.
This concept will require otber people to try it. I will not be asking anyone in this forum to validate my work. Other people on youtube I am sure will find tbis worth trying and possibly making it perpetual.
Johnny
edited to add; was hoping my work on Bessler's wheel would get me an honorary
engineering degree, I hope this coesn't derail those plans because I would find that very disappointing.
p.s., the reason given for what you will be seeing in the video I will be posting is impossible is something called the capillary effect.
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@tinself koala,
u disappoint me
ou is impossible. alan knows this.
one thing I do know is I can't prove it.
y there is youtube.
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could someone please humor me and tell me how stupid I am ?
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tk@
i will remember u juzt as I remember alan.
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@All,
at besslerwheel dot com, when alan aka ab hammer personally attackec mem he was not supported in his attacks except for wannabe's. he was actually told he should not be making such posts.
in this forum, his support is based on his unblemishec reputation as a knowledgeable engineer.
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alan,
thought of something. when I took courses at Boeing for CATIA, I actually helped one teacher. u c, half way tbrough class, I had finished the course work for that class. after that, I helped other students while I made blueprints for fun. actually, my attendance in class was required and doing extra work gave me something to do.
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hope you all know but sometimes it is better to fail.
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@All,
This is a demonstration of how Heron's mechanical principles can be used differently to violate the pressure head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF6lmb1oLEo&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF6lmb1oLEo&feature=youtu.be)
The pressure head; The height of each column of fluid is proportional to the pressure of the fluid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_head (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_head)
the same pressure is applied to both static heads, they should be the same height.
edited to add; at all, have sent a link of the video to hartiberlin and have also asked him to have bill and tinselkoala to stop flaming me.
After all, I am demonstrating something that bill says isn't worth considering.
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Your video is a lie, because your water heights inside....the two different cylinders.... are not equal. You are not showing anything of significance, except your own nervousness and prevarication. Show the whole thing in transparent containers.... then we can see what you are hiding: the fact that your starting water levels are not the same.
Let's see you turn what you have "shown" into some kind of real demonstration of something that WORKS.
And anybody can see, Jimbo, that it is you who are doing the flaming. Post after post, you insult me and/or Bill and/or Alan, whoever he is, and nobody is even responding to you. And then you post your little mendacious video, while whining that people won't leave you alone so you can work. You are really full of yourself.
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Your video is a lie, because your water heights inside....the two different cylinders.... are not equal. You are not showing anything of significance, except your own nervousness and prevarication. Show the whole thing in transparent containers.... then we can see what you are hiding: the fact that your starting water levels are not the same.
Let's see you turn what you have "shown" into some kind of real demonstration of something that WORKS.
And anybody can see, Jimbo, that it is you who are doing the flaming. Post after post, you insult me and/or Bill and/or Alan, whoever he is, and nobody is even responding to you. And then you post your little mendacious video, while whining that people won't leave you alone so you can work. You are really full of yourself.
tk,
I have asked Stefan to talk to you about your constant need to flame me. Once again, you have not discussed engineering but only your contempt for me.
>> Let's see you turn what you have "shown" into some kind of real demonstration of something that WORKS. <<
It does work, one coulmn of water is higher than the other just as I said they would. And now, more flaming from you.
What have you shown ? Nothing that can work. It seems you do not want anyone working with me yet you want me working for you, that's rich (funny).
AB Hammer can show his work any time he wishes to prove me wrong but he refuses to show his work. That is up to him.
And bill as moderator should not be helping you to flame me.
>> Show the whole thing in transparent containers.... then we can see what you are hiding: the fact that your starting water levels are not the same.<<
You are claiming I am a fraud, show some work that proves me wrong, this is on you as you want attention or is it control ?
@All, since neither tube is connected to the other, I can not control their water levels unless I change tubes. If tinselkoala had noticed, there was nothing to prevent the water in the small diameter tube from empyting into the container. Compressed air kept it elevated.
What tinselkoala has missed since he does not understand engineering is that both tubes have the same amount of water in them. And this is why they have two different heights, the compressed air in the container is acting on both of them with the same pressure or force.
If I had used an even larger diameter tube, then there would have been a greater difference in the height's of the two static heads. It would be at this point that perpetuallity would need to start being considered. This is because the smaller diameter tube could be cut shorter to allow it to over flow allowing an imbalance in how the compressed air acts on both static heads.
Not sure on this one people but do believe I understand the math, PiR^2H = volume. True, it's not calculus but do i really need to go that deep into math to calcluate the volume of a static head ? I hope not.
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@TK,
Do you know what I like about this ? it is my invention and according to what I have previously posted from the USPTO, I have one year to file a patent application. And what you and Bill think doesn't matter because it IS NOT your invention. So why don't you leave me alone. This forum is meant for discussing idea's, not for you to pursue me telling me what I have to do.
edited to add; with something like this, I plan on giving the patent rights to charity. that 's something I've posted many times.
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Your demonstration does not show what you claim and think it does. It shows nothing of significance except that you do not understand your topic.
If you think you can use what you have shown IN ANY WAY that is useful.... especially the simple way to overunity that you have described.... what is keeping you from DOING IT? My constant distractions? Your illness? The Army? Bill? Your hands are shaking you are so angry or nervous or something. Just do it, Jimbo.
But you cannot.
And when you stop insulting me, mentioning my initials in post after post..... then maybe I'll stop RESPONDING to your attacks on me, and let you play with your useless misconceptions. By the way, you lie when you suggest that I have ever asked or expected YOU to work with or for me, ever at all.
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tk,
go bother somebody elre.
I didn't bother you and bill with what you two worked. yet just like ab hammer used to do me, now you are doing.
all anyone has to do is look the four minute mark of your video to know you don't understand static heads so why don't quit whining to me because you ARE jealous.
this could be why people leave this forum when they have a decent idea. you are zo full of yourself, you will not let somebody esle say what they think. I dont think everyone shares yours and bills opinions as you two claim.
and just as ab hammer has always said, Stefan backs up tbis forum on his computer so he will know what has been deleted.
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@all,
tk deserves to be insultec. after he built his Heron's fountain, he had nothing to talk about.
anyone can look in rhe thread pirate bill started and see that I offered suggestions.
then when they have nothing else to do, tk comes after me and bill defends bim.
like bill said in the my invention thread is he doesn't like it when people who have idea's leave the forum, now you guys know why they do.
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Johnny:
So, you reported me to Stefan? Did you also tell him about your threatening to take away my license to do business? (Which I don't have, but, no matter, reality is what it is) Did you also tell him about all of the made up stuff you are saying about me? Like my deleting your posts? Quite an accusation to make...a very serious one I might add. Also, to make that to Stefan who KNOWS I am not a Moderator here, is laughable. Stefan KNOWS I can't delete pm's, emails, or posts here but you persist in accusing me of doing so. I take serious offense to that and am considering my legal options at this point.
I have never said ANYTHING about anything you have built....mainly because you have not built anything and....also, because I do not care what you do or do not do so long as you are not insulting me, or others here on the forum. You can not quote anything I have said about your builds....ever. Read my keyboard....I DO NOT CARE.
Stefan is on holiday in Europe at this time and I will not bother him with this crap until he returns. My advice JIM (Not Johnny)is to grow up. And, if you can't do that at least....shut up and quit insulting me, and other forum members here. You are working yourself into a legal action very fast, which you can then add to the reasons why you can't build anything.
I told you I am not screwing around any more. You threatened my business and now accuse me of deleting personal information. That IS a crime. Look it up.
Leave me ALONE!
Bill
PS I qualified as a Master Machinist back in the 80's and when I compliment TK's work, it is because it is good, not to insult you. With what you posted, it is obvious you know nothing about precision work or machine tools in general. The most accurate work on the planet is done by hand and by eye. Otherwise, you could never use a machine to build a more accurate machine than the one you started with. Understand?
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deleted post. Will wait for Stefan to consider the misconduct I have been subjected to.
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I would recommend reading up on pascals law and hydraulics. None of the ideas presented here will work.
For example the submerged container will only push liquid up to the height of the water and not 1 mm more. having air in the container does not make any difference.
Hydraulic pressure will raise the air pressure in the container to match the surrounding pressure in the water. so you can dispense with the air. And if you don't need to have the air then you can dispense with the container and just have the pipes.
From that you should see why it wont work.
The trick to understanding hydraulics is understanding pressure. In a liquid the pressure is even in all directions. What this means is you only need to take into account the pressure exerted by the column of water directly above the point of interest.
In the submerged container idea the only pressure that matters is the pressure directly above the inlet pipe and the pressure above the outlet pipe. They become exactly equal when the water in the outlet pipe rises to exactly the same height as the water column above the inlet pipe. e.g. the surface of the water.
Read up on Pascal's Law
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_law)
After studying pascals law you should understand that the only way to get water to spurt out the outlet pipe is to raise the height of water above the inlet pipe. This can be done by creating a wave. as the wave passes over the inlet pipe a small amount of water would be ejected from the outlet pipe but only to the height of the wave. This would only work if the container was sealed and solid.
study hydraulics, its a fascinating subject! Once you understand how a hydraulic jack works and why it works everything else starts to make sense.
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With respect to Johnnies trick video
Nicely done. :)
This is what I think has happened. Clearly there is two separate areas within the main container each has a separate volume of water in it.
The container is then sealed. Either air is blown into the container to increase the pressure or a trick is used. The container is placed in a fridge unsealed until it cools right down. then the container is sealed. as the container warms up the air in it expands creating pressure. ;)
So why are the water levels in the two pipes different?
Simple! The air pressure inside the container is constant, but the size of the pipes is different this means the RATIO of the internal air pressure to the external air pressure is different therefore the fluid height is different in each container and pipe.
The two areas inside are to allow each reservoir of water to maintain a different height. if it wasn't separate, then the ratio of external to internal pressure would be the same. I.e. the diameter of both pipes are simply added together.
Again I implore an investigation into pascals law and hydraulics in general.
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With respect to Johnnies trick video
Nicely done. :)
This is what I think has happened. Clearly there is two separate areas within the main container each has a separate volume of water in it.
The container is then sealed. Either air is blown into the container to increase the pressure or a trick is used. The container is placed in a fridge unsealed until it cools right down. then the container is sealed. as the container warms up the air in it expands creating pressure. ;)
So why are the water levels in the two pipes different?
Simple! The air pressure inside the container is constant, but the size of the pipes is different this means the RATIO of the internal air pressure to the external air pressure is different therefore the fluid height is different in each container and pipe.
The two areas inside are to allow each reservoir of water to maintain a different height. if it wasn't separate, then the ratio of external to internal pressure would be the same. I.e. the diameter of both pipes are simply added together.
Again I implore an investigation into pascals law and hydraulics in general.
Chris,
Heron's work goes against some modern conceptions of hydraulics. He has 2 different pressure heads reacting differently to the same stimuli or air pressure.
Jim
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Herons fountain is a trick. Its the air pressure that causes the top fountain to squirt. When the water in the top reservoir drops to a given level it will no longer work. eventually you will run out of air and the water will stop flowing.
This is the crucial part. If you had an unlimited supply of water to the top reservoir it would still stop flowing when the air run out and the water in the pipes reached the level of the top reservoir. Once the two heads are of equal height then water stops flowing.
What you are missing is the air in the pipe transfers the pressure from one level two another but only adds minimally to the 'head'. air is far less dense than water and therefore does not add much pressure.
In no way does it go against hydraulics modern or otherwise. It is a clever application of hydraulics.
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Herons fountain is a trick. Its the air pressure that causes the top fountain to squirt. When the water in the top reservoir drops to a given level it will no longer work. eventually you will run out of air and the water will stop flowing.
This is the crucial part. If you had an unlimited supply of water to the top reservoir it would still stop flowing when the air run out and the water in the pipes reached the level of the top reservoir. Once the two heads are of equal height then water stops flowing.
What you are missing is the air in the pipe transfers the pressure from one level two another but only adds minimally to the 'head'. air is far less dense than water and therefore does not add much pressure.
In no way does it go against hydraulics modern or otherwise. It is a clever application of hydraulics.
Chris,
When something is clever, it is because it goes against "usual" application. and I think this is one reason why
people shouldn't mind trying different things in forums like this. I'm not sure if some people realize this but they're becoming
familiar with different aspects of engineering principles and how they can be applied.
Myself, I'm secretly working on Bessler's wheel which can work.
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You just wait. Someday, when I can get out of bed, I'll build the world's best perpetual motion machine, using a 2000 year old design, and I'll keep the patent all to myself. So there. Right now though you people are keeping me from doing anything. If I only had a family I'd show you all. But the Army put my family into poverty. I went to tech school to learn how to use a lathe, but I can't stand up for long and I got a chip in one eye plus I can't hear either, so nobody would let me use their lathe after a while. I've missed the best part of my life because people are thinking things about me. But you'll see. I'm going to stop posting and just build something, the best perpetual machine ever. I'll build a Bessler wheel, then I'll build an overunity lever, then I'll build a Heron's Fountain that doesn't use gravity at all, it will work in zero g because it uses vacuum instead of pressure. As soon as I have my next three surgeries and the doctors let me walk, I'll start building something, if they haven't stolen all my tools. They did before, you know, just to keep me and my inventions from seeing the light of day.
You'll see.
I'm going to stop posting now. Good bye.
And if people would just let me, I'll save the world with my inventions.
But I'm going to stop posting here because you are all a bunch of conspirators preventing me from getting anywhere or living my life. I'm going to go away now and stop posting.
Bye now.
@All,
What did I say or post to tinselkoala to recieve response like this when I posted an idea ?
This is something someone wondered about AB Hammer
>> Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:20 pm Post subject: re: Women members? Mrs. ABhammer joining just as Alan put to-late ( Jim ) on his ignore list. Coincidence or a way for Alan to read all of to-late's posts while still ignoring him? HMMMMMM.... ;)
edited to add smile <<http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=85602&highlight=#85602 (http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=85602&highlight=#85602) and what
>> TK:
Exactly correct, from what I know. I love the folks that post stuff on OU and then get help from smart guys like you....and then...remove all videos and posts saying they are going for the patent now. A long time ago a very expensive patent attorney assured me it does not work that way.
Bill <<Pirate88179 (http://www.overunity.com/profile/pirate88179.8844/)Re: My Invention (http://www.overunity.com/12597/my-invention/msg331707/#msg331707)« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2012, 06:50:19 PM » After all, for what they accuse me of, it would be that I was not tolerant of their harassment for posting idea's. And it is things like these why I started the thread Why It's a Bad idea to Work Openly. After all, even tinselkoala readily states he builds but he doesn't discuss anything in this forum. Why ?
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even tinselkoala readily states he builds but he doesn't discuss anything in this forum. Why ?
Show where I "readily state" that I build but don't discuss anything in this forum. You cannot, because you are lying about me again. I readily state that I don't discuss everything I do in this forum. But EVERYTHING is not ANYTHING, just as EFFECT is not VERSION. In short, you are once again responding to your delusions and hallucinations, lying about me, rather than responding to actual facts.
I do believe that I've discussed more of my ACTUAL BUILDS in this forum than you have, Jimpbo. You pretend to discuss what you are going to do if people would just get off your back, if you only felt better, if your brother would only let you have a girlfriend... but you don't actually build anything, until it's a week late and a pitiful kludge.
What's the point of my post that you quoted, illustrating just what it says, by parodying you? The point is just what it says: you are whining, you continue to say good bye but you never leave, and you just want to keep on flaming me and lying about me instead of doing your own work. But that's just because you can't work, we know that. When you feel better and we all get off your back, and your doctors say you can work again, we know you'll show us one of the five or six different overunity designs you say you "can" do... but somehow don't.
You started that other thread for the explicit purpose of FLAMING ME and Bill. You had no provocation to do so.... you began a thread not to share work or discuss ideas, but specifically to insult, lie about and degrade me and Bill and whoever else you are whining about. That's a simple fact and anyone can check and see for themselves. It's a flame thread, plain and simple, and you should be banned for that alone.
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Show where I "readily state" that I build but don't discuss anything in this forum. You cannot, because you are lying about me again. I readily state that I don't discuss everything I do in this forum. But EVERYTHING is not ANYTHING, just as EFFECT is not VERSION. In short, you are once again responding to your delusions and hallucinations, lying about me, rather than responding to actual facts.
I do believe that I've discussed more of my ACTUAL BUILDS in this forum than you have, Jimpbo. You pretend to discuss what you are going to do if people would just get off your back, if you only felt better, if your brother would only let you have a girlfriend... but you don't actually build anything, until it's a week late and a pitiful kludge.
What's the point of my post that you quoted, illustrating just what it says, by parodying you? The point is just what it says: you are whining, you continue to say good bye but you never leave, and you just want to keep on flaming me and lying about me instead of doing your own work. But that's just because you can't work, we know that. When you feel better and we all get off your back, and your doctors say you can work again, we know you'll show us one of the five or six different overunity designs you say you "can" do... but somehow don't.
You started that other thread for the explicit purpose of FLAMING ME and Bill. You had no provocation to do so.... you began a thread not to share work or discuss ideas, but specifically to insult, lie about and degrade me and Bill and whoever else you are whining about. That's a simple fact and anyone can check and see for themselves. It's a flame thread, plain and simple, and you should be banned for that alone.
You're psychotic, aren't you ?
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You started that other thread for the explicit purpose of FLAMING ME and Bill. You had no provocation to do so.... <<
This thread, Bill allowed you to flame me. And since you usually don't post in here, you would have no ideal what I've built and posted. And if you are AB Hammer as I believe, then you've never posted an idea in here and built it. You just don't want people looking at what you haven't done by attacking me. But as I told Stefan, you're just here for a free lunch and all you have is your ugly mouth and your big appetite. Go ona diet for Christ's sake :o
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In other words, you cannot support any of your assertions with facts, demonstrations or checkable outside references, and you still continue to lie and respond to your delusions, blaming me for your experiences with someone else entirely.
When are you going to retract your lying, libellous claim that I "ripped you off" and then took credit for it?
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tinselkoala,
its strange that ur friends want me to give you an invention and credit for it.
wot I found out is if I would have checked my e mail, I would have known I still had those pm's u sent me.
btw, in the other thread, you wanted me to apologize to you because you posted your videos. it's true, u did but your videos were trying mrwaynes zed device, not anything to do witn the design I postec in bills thread yet you said for some reason you were compelled to show work that was being done privately, why ? after all, I was trying to work with you and bill.
those posts r still there, kind of damning too.
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btw alan, you and ur friends can have my work. one catch, gadget said I shoulcnt wAnt any credit so you buys can NEVER mention or refer to me.
signed AB Hmmer, aka Alan Bauldree.
I only used that other guys name (J Lindy) becauxe I felt sorry for him and was only trying to help. I guess things don't always work out the you want them to.
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tinselkoala,
its strange that ur friends want me to give you an invention and credit for it.
What, are you compelled to lie in every sentence as well as every post? Please give a link or some support for your ridiculous contentions. WHERE and WHEN do any of my "friends" want YOU to GIVE ME AN INVENTION and CREDIT FOR IT? Nowhere except in your delusions.... you don't even have any inventions.
wot I found out is if I would have checked my e mail, I would have known I still had those pm's u sent me.
btw, in the other thread, you wanted me to apologize to you because you posted your videos.
WRONG AGAIN, you lying idiot. You need to apologize to me for your LIBELLOUS CLAIM that I somehow ripped you off and took credit for it. The proof of this is posted in the image above and it's still on my YT channel comments. You will apologise to me for this serious and libellous false accusation and retract the claim, publicly, or you will answer for it in another way, not to your liking.
it's true, u did but your videos were trying mrwaynes zed device, not anything to do witn the design I postec in bills thread
That's right, you idiot.... MY VIDEOS SHOWED SOMETHING THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR IDEAS and could not have had, because my videos were posted LONG BEFORE BILL'S THREAD WAS EVEN STARTED. I made and posted that video on YT on the 24th of AUGUST and Bill's thread was started on the 29th of AUGUST and you didn't make any posts referencing anything at all to do with Heron's Fountain until the 30th of AUGUST--- you had plenty of time to see my video well before you ever posted anything showing the nested cylinders that I used.
yet you said for some reason you were compelled to show work that was being done privately, why ? after all, I was trying to work with you and bill.
NO, wrong again. What I said was that I felt compelled to POST the link to the video in BILL'S THREAD at that time, since YOU had made the claims that you made and I clearly had priority, which anyone can confirm for themselves BY LOOKING AT THE DATES. That work was not done privately and I never said it was. I did say that I had OTHER VIDEOS that I had not yet made public.... so what. You are once again lying, responding to your delusions and paranoid hallucinations rather than to the ACTUAL FACTS. And your claim to be trying to "work with" anyone is another lie, you have no clue about cooperative collaboration and besides, Mister Cubic Inches of Surface Area, you have nothing to offer but more of your errors and mistakes. Archimedes lived 4000 years ago..... NOT. Give me a break..... go read a book.
those posts r still there, kind of damning too.
Damning for you certainly, because anyone can look at them and see how you are distorting and lying about who did what and when.
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btw alan, you and ur friends can have my work. one catch, gadget said I shoulcnt wAnt any credit so you buys can NEVER mention or refer to me.
signed AB Hmmer, aka Alan Bauldree.
I only used that other guys name (J Lindy) becauxe I felt sorry for him and was only trying to help. I guess things don't always work out the you want them to.
By the way, Jimpbo, you continue to reveal what an idiot you are with every post you make. Keep digging, there is still plenty of room at the bottom.
Want your "work"? I haven't seen any "work" at all from you, much less anything anyone would want. And I'll mention and refer to you any time I feel like it, like this: johnny874 is a liar and a fool, a troll and a stalker.
Will you ever learn to type and spell?
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tk,
u r just like alan. I try discussing something and he jumps the thread.
adding; since u say u don diablo dont wont mi work, y u bugin' on me fool ?
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tk,
u r just like alan. I try discussing something and he jumps the thread.
adding; since u say u don diablo dont wont mi work, y u bugin' on me fool ?
Every time you mention my name or initials or direct a flame comment at me, Jimpbo, until you apologise and retract your lying libellous accusations and your ridiculous mischaracterisations of me, I will "jump" in and point out that you are a liar and that you have indeed libelled me, outside this forum, with no provocation. You will face the consequences of that, one way or another, you can be sure of that.
adding; since u say u don diablo dont wont mi work, y u bugin' on me fool ?
Are you drunk, or high on drugs, or what? You really need to settle down, Jimpbo, and get a grip on yourself.
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tk,
I thinm your response is quite lucid to the knowing mind.
Jim
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Priceless. Surface area is now measured in cubic inches. Who knew?
Now we have the secret of overunity.
>> You cannot support your claim with any evidence and in fact the EVIDENCE indicates that you probably saw my videos before you even thought of your "idea". <<
pg. 6,
Re: Heron's Fountain (http://www.overunity.com/12640/herons-fountain/msg336211/#msg336211) « Reply #85 on: Today at 02:10:36 PM » http://www.overunity.com/12640/herons-fountain/75/ (http://www.overunity.com/12640/herons-fountain/75/)
In reality everyone, if you have a surface area of 4 square inches with 14 psi of atmospheric pressure acting on it and the output is 2 square inches of surface area in the compression chamber, the potential of the pressure head becomes 28 psi. And if the opposing force on the other side of the barrier is less that 28 psi, according to hydraulic theory, the pressure head with the larger surface area should win out. What does need to be considered is the KE of the pressure head, ie., how much does it weigh ? might not matter much, after all, if 14 pounds were a tube 1 inch in diameter, it could only generate 28 psi. it's own mass plus atmospheric pressure. Of course, some people don't care to do the math because they find ridiculing people to be much easier, that just requires a keyboard and internet access. Of course, with 28 psi, the area of the compression chamber needs to be considered. if it has 3 square inches of surface area, then the compression chamber should have about 18 psi of air pressure. That should be able to pump water continuously. There would be about 4 psi (the difference between atmospheric air pressure and the air pressure in the compression chamber) to play with. Of course, when Stefan bans me, then the trash will have been removed :o 8)
edited to add; the consideration for this idea came about by considering how hydraulic theory applies to Heron's Fountain. He readily demonstrates that by seperating pressure heads that the more voluomous pressure head performs work and the less voluomous pressure head responds by creating Heron's Fountain.
I merely substituded a lower elevation for a greater (larger) diameter for the more voluomous pressure head and in doing so was able to consider both pressure heads working in the same compression chamber.
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Jim:
It is painfully obvious from your post that you do not understand the gravity of the situation.
Bill
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hmmm, u mean my getting banned because u want me to be nice to tk who says this is his idea ?
I think what you two forgot is what if it's really possible. oops, tk wants credit for tbinking of this.
I do know the situation bill, when I get Bessler's wheel built, German's will be wondering wby you encouraged rk to flame me. there was no reason for it unless he is your friend.
why don't post your last name bill so we can talk face to face, of course my suing you also works.
you've posted enough times how I am ignorant unlike you and your friend.
I tbink that is serious but I think German's would wonder why I am considered an idiot for working on Bezsler's wheel in a German owned forum. And I am certain you and tk would help Stefan to explain that and that is the gravity of the situation. I know you and tinselkoala are enjoying it now, I hope you enjoy it when I get it built and these posts are made known and you know they will be.
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There you go again, lying Jimpbo.
Answer these questions: When was this thread started? When were my videos posted?
DO THE MATH, Mister Cubic Inches of Surface Area.
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tk,
your posts in THIS thread show you thought it was a stupid idea. I think you asked 2 or 3 times what the secret was. Most people would kind of accept it that you're clueless about engineering.
Yet the description I gave would make some people wonder how many books I read.
Of course, you and bill know how to say liar. not sure but I don't think I saw that word in an engineering book.
Are you sure you're not related to Alan Bauldree, aka., ab hammer ?
btw, didn't you post that you built bill's design ? A god reason for the two of you to be after me, partners in crime, lmao !
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Of course, you and bill know how to say liar. not sure but I don't think I saw that word in an engineering book.
I know a liar when I read so many of your posts that are not even close to being true. Based upon your typing and butchering of the English language, I doubt that you have ever read an engineering book of any kind. Ever heard of spell check?
What engineering book mentioned that surface area is measured in cubic inches? The same one that says temperature is measured in Farads?
Folks are supposed to believe you when you make a post like this? ??? Do you think anyone really believes that Stefan pm'd you....and just you, and said that, even though he has this website, and has done all of the experiments he has done, he really does not think OU is possible? Produce that famous pm. You can't? See why we call you a liar?
Bill
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tk,
your posts in THIS thread show you thought it was a stupid idea. I think you asked 2 or 3 times what the secret was. Most people would kind of accept it that you're clueless about engineering.
I think you are lying and distorting again. Most people can see for themselves that I never "asked you what the secret was".
Yet the description I gave would make some people wonder how many books I read.
You got that right, at least.
Of course, you and bill know how to say liar. not sure but I don't think I saw that word in an engineering book.
I don't think you've ever seen any words in any engineering book, since you are unfamiliar with the terms statics, dynamics, engineering mechanics, moment arm, integration, and many more. Mister Cubic Inches of Surface Area. In which engineering book did you read that, I wonder?
Are you sure you're not related to Alan Bauldree, aka., ab hammer ?
Are you sure that you aren't completely deluded, totally hallucinating, mad as a hatter, crazy as a bat?
btw, didn't you post that you built bill's design ? A god reason for the two of you to be after me, partners in crime, lmao !
Nope, you liar, I did not post that I built Bill's design. Once again you are making false accusations in print.... that is, you are libelling me.
Here is what I posted, on August 29, in the thread Bill started on that same day:
Good for you! I think I used the same diagram for my first one too.
For my latest version I used some bigger plastic jars from instant coffee, and I stacked the lids and jars a little differently.
I've found that PermaTex (3M) Super WeatherStrip Adhesive, the yellow kind, found in car parts stores, works well for gluing these plastics. Sand the surfaces, degrease with MEK, follow instructions on the glue, and you will get a good, airtight and water resistant bond.
I think it's hilarious that Heron of Alexandria also invented the first coin-operated vending machine: A Holy Water dispenser.
You should note that by the time Bill posted the diagram that he used.... giving full credit for where he got it from.... I had already gone on to a completely different design using different jars and the multiple nested chambers below. Since August 24 th !!
Now... when are you going to stop your pointless whining and flaming and lying distortions, polluting threads with your pitiful flames, and actually build something? Or actually say goodbye and mean it?
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you two r funny
is it you don't like someone else having something ? it'd b scary if that's all you two know, stefans forum but ur game,
lmao still :~)
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you two r funny
is it you don't like someone else having something ? it'd b scary if that's all you two know, stefans forum but ur game,
lmao still :~)
But Jim, you said Stefan pm'd you that he does not believe O.U. is even possible? How can this be? Are we supposed to believe you and not Stefan? You have something? What is it? Oh wait....you don't....so...yet another lie. OK, I get it. Sorry. You tell so many lies it is hard to keep up.
Bill
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Jim:
Even a guy named AB Hammer says that you lie. Maybe it is not every body here but it is you. You keep lying, and folks call you out on it, and then you claim everyone is against you. I am not against you, just your lies.
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hmmm, u mean my getting banned because u want me to be nice to tk who says this is his idea ?
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why don't post your last name bill so we can talk face to face, of course my suing you also works.
So, once again you are saying that TK "stole" your idea? Is that what your post above says?
Trust me Jim, you would not want to meet me face to face...you would not like it at all. Did you forget all of the lies you posted about me? I have not forgotten.
Bill
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@johnny874: For your records, and for your Kentucky judge's amusement:
I posted my first video showing a Heron's Fountain publicly on YouTube on August 21 at 3:36 am CDT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUlBqLM6Naw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUlBqLM6Naw)
I posted several more videos after that, the same day, and on August 22 at 1:56 am I posted the first video of a MODIFIED HERON'S FOUNTAIN containing a 3-layer TinselZed, modified from MrWayne's design and adapted to my Folger's Instant version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bINdCrvZPU4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bINdCrvZPU4)
And on the night of August 24, or rather August 25 at 12:34 am, I posted the Hydraulicity 8 video, showing the second modification of MrWayne's Zed idea, incorporated into a working, enhanced, externally plumbed Modified Heron's Fountain. I showed head measurements and explained how the nested chambers acted to increase the pumping pressure against an increased head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fYltvNPU0U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fYltvNPU0U)
And I posted several more videos after that, showing the nested chambers.
You started THIS THREAD on August 30, 2012, at 05:25:32 PM forum time, with a whining "promise" to build and patent a modified Heron's Fountain, if only you were able and if only your family wasn't so messed up, and you've missed the best part of your life because of what other people think. Or something. Anyway, it's your coworkers fault that you don't have a family, apparently.
http://www.overunity.com/12647/modified-herons-fountain/msg334131/#msg334131 (http://www.overunity.com/12647/modified-herons-fountain/msg334131/#msg334131)
In other words, you started this thread at least FIVE DAYS AFTER my videos showing MY IDEA of using MRWAYNE'S IDEA of nested chambers in HERON's IDEA of a pump.
And you posted your silly misleading video of your pressurised tubes on SEPTEMBER 4, after posting a still photo on September 2.
And Pirate started his Heron's Fountain thread on AUGUST 29, giving full credit for where he got the design, and I posted that same day saying that it looked like the same design I had used on AUGUST 21, more than a week earlier, to make my first Heron's Fountain that I showed videos of that same day and later in that same week.
Videos that you could have watched.
In fact, you left a libellous accusation on the video Hydraulicity 8, that is false, unsupported by any facts, and IN FACT the dates of the events PROVE that I could not have "ripped you off" as you claim. Rather, the times and dates prove that YOU could easily have seen my videos days before you posted anything at all concerning Heron's Fountain.
Would you care to dispute any of these FACTS with references and proofs of your own, there, Jimpbo? If not, I would advise you to retract your false, lying, ridiculous, impossible, libellous claims as soon as possible and make your public apology.
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It appears that Johnny (Jim) has been accused of this before....I am not surprised. I wonder if he will mention this to that KY judge as well? Someone else claiming that Johnny's remarks are worthy of a tort, unless he could back them up. Sounds so familiar.
Quoted in part: " I consider the "infamous" claim as slander and is legally worthy of a civil tort for deformation (sic) of character. That is unless you can prove otherwise backing up your claim."
Bill
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damn,
I actually feel sorry for you two.
not sure there is anything I can do to help you
have the two of you ever thought of studying drama n u might b good at it.
has alan startecd dieting yet ? @340 lbs. I'm sure his self esteem has already taken a hit, no need for me to jump on that pile.
bye
edited to add; as ab hammer told me, there is more to learn in his hammer shop than the one I worked in for Boeing.
kind of why I try to avoid such discussions.
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damn,
I actually feel sorry for you two.
not sure there is anything I can do to help you
have the two of you ever thought of studying drama n u might b good at it.
has alan startecd dieting yet ? @340 lbs. I'm sure his self esteem has already taken a hit, no need for me to jump on that pile.
bye
So, once again, we prove that you are lying, and have lied many times before, and your response is to call some guy named Alan fat? Really? Do you still think that TK is a guy named Alan? I am having a little trouble following your seemingly drug-induced rantings these days.
Bill
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your response is sad. ab hammer had an accident he couldn't over come. it happens.
I had a sister die from her medical problems. kind of y I don't tolerate crap about mine, and no, me and alan are not friends
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let's meet, I live in Richmond as u know.
I need a good laugh.
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Really?
Bill
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it doesn't really matter what my sister went through or dealt with while she was alive.
what I find interesting is that I am a whiney assed cry baby because I had to take a leave of absence from work afrter spending 2 years trying to work through complications from surgery.
still, will be able to build a basic pm wheel. it'll take time because I am flat broke. it'll prove that money makes people lazy. and have no need to give it away. to me, open source free energy research means sharing information and working together.
I'll only make my build known if the doctors continue to ignore an obvious problem I have and recommend the wrong corrective surgery.
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wanna know whats funny bill ? when me and tinselkoala were pm'ing each otner, i sent him links to pics of my tools, tbe shop I had and some things I built. he told me he doesnt work with leverz, alan always said I had to try every way possible.
I also told tinselkoala what my medical issue is. both he and alan doesnt think it matters.
I'll put it this, I'm literally trying to save my own ass. like the pun ? I'm trying to avoid an unnecessary colosomy. those are pretty much permament.
But like my sister, she did what she could and with her, lets just say I dont think many people could have dealt with her situation as well as she did.
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TK, I have watched some of your videos and your modified Heron's Fountain seems very interesting! How long can it run?
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TK, I have watched some of your videos and your modified Heron's Fountain seems very interesting! How long can it run?
who are you ? if you check this thread out, I started it and not tk. why would you credit him with what I realized ?
u gotta b one of his friends.
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who are you ? if you check this thread out, I started it and not tk. why would you credit him with what I realized ?
u gotta b one of his friends.
TK came up with his design mods long before you did Jim. Do you really need to see the timeline again?
Lying again.
Bill
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TK came up with his design mods long before you did Jim. Do you really need to see the timeline again?
Lying again.
Bill
Uh, Bill, Have shown where tk most likely got his idea from. The design mod you mention has only been suggested by myself alone. You have never shown one post where the design modification you mentioned was posted.
And I do think that Stefan should take action against you and tk for being disruptive to the forum.
But I do have a build to do where my work on it is well documented unlike what you and tinselkoala claim. You sure he's not Alan using another alias ?
Jim
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You just can't stop, can you Jimpbo. I have posted the timeline MANY TIMES that shows the sequence of events, your lies and accusations. You have lied and libelled me outside this forum, I have proof, and I have asked you to apologise and withdraw your lies. But you continue to make them. Yes, somebody needs to know about this all right, Jimpbo.
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Uh, Bill, Have shown where tk most likely got his idea from. The design mod you mention has only been suggested by myself alone. You have never shown one post where the design modification you mentioned was posted.
And I do think that Stefan should take action against you and tk for being disruptive to the forum.
But I do have a build to do where my work on it is well documented unlike what you and tinselkoala claim. You sure he's not Alan using another alias ?
Jim
Jim:
Time to adjust your medication again. TK is not Allan. I did not steal your idea and neither did TK. End of story.
Bill
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@Aman_Shah,
Read the last post I made in pirate88719's thread, heron's fountain. I posted a picture of the fountain from the television show which they claim is their idea.
The design modification they claim is theirs is one I posted trying to work with them, it is on page 2 of the same thread.
And I do believe tinselkoala is ab hammer, no reason for me not to have that opinion. They both say my medical issues are just in my mind and I should quit crying.
Still, will take it easy until I build. They only wish they knew what I have taken the time to learn from Bessler and on my own. Peace Out.
Jim
p.s. I have them both on ignore so have no idea what they have to say. Probab;ly the usual vague claims and Bill saying how he is going to discipline me until I learn to be nice to him and alan.
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Lets see if you can all top this Heron Fountain. This self contained design would work.
Nuclear --> Heat--> Pressure flow--> Gravity Flow. simple conversion of dynamics and no moving parts except liquid mercury and the one way valve.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo
Jerry 8)
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Jim:
Time to adjust your medication again. TK is not Allan. I did not steal your idea and neither did TK. End of story.
Bill
Bill,
You claimed I stole Alan's and your thread is proof. Check the dates you say.
Numb3rs aired a long time before you and Alan made any videos. And the modification I made you claim to be Alan's.
It is one or the other and for all the postings you two made saying I stole either your idea or tinselkoala's I have shown where if anything, you guys are the thieves and should be banned for your constant atatcks against me for what you were doing.
Have no reason to believe AB Hammer and tinselkoala are different people. Their real id's have always been obscured.
And now ? Easy to fake.
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Bill,
You claimed I stole Alan's and your thread is proof. Check the dates you say.
Numb3rs aired a long time before you and Alan made any videos. And the modification I made you claim to be Alan's.
It is one or the other and for all the postings you two made saying I stole either your idea or tinselkoala's I have shown where if anything, you guys are the thieves and should be banned for your constant atatcks against me for what you were doing.
Have no reason to believe AB Hammer and tinselkoala are different people. Their real id's have always been obscured.
And now ? Easy to fake.
Dear Captain Oblivious:
I made a simple heron's fountain that I saw on Make's channel. I replicated it and gave FULL CREDIT to them as well as a link to that site. I also posted their schematic giving them full credit. That is what I replicated. I did not steal your idea as you did not invent Heron's fountain, nor did you invent Make's version of it which I replicated. You have not made any fountain of any kind that I have ever seen so, how could I steal your design?
You are a fraud, a person that does not tell the truth, an idiot, and possibly many other things. Leave me alone and quit making libelous claims against me on a public forum. You have been warned many times now to stop doing this. Go build something....anything...and leave me alone.
Bill
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Actually Jimpbo, the medical issue seems to be _with_ your mind, not in it. Not only are you a pathological whiner, always blaming others for your own failures to accomplish anything, but also.... your claims about me and my Heron's Fountain and my modifications to it are entirely without merit, as I have shown many times. I built the Heron's Fountain design from Make magazine, gave full credit for it, then when Bill started his thread after seeing my videos he also gave full credit to the same Make magazine article. All of this was done well before --many days before-- you even started talking about Heron's Fountain and well before you opened your own thread. Furthermore, my modifications have nothing to do with you and I showed the inner chamber and floating TinselZed well before your mendacious little videos were posted. It is IMPOSSIBLE for me to have stolen any thing from you because first, you have NOTHING to steal, and second, you posted your things well after I posted mine. SO... I will say it again: It is impossible for me to have "stolen" anything from you.... but you certainly COULD HAVE SEEN my video and incorporated my ideas into your bogus attempt at a demonstration. Could have..... but I really don't think you are even that clever.
And your paranoid misidentification of me is really hilarious, and shows what a delusional system you have constructed for yourself. You just cannot believe that many people could be critical of you for the same reasons, so your ego makes you believe that they all must be the same person. But I don't even know who this "Alan" or "Allen" person is. You and Rosemary Ainslie are like two peas in a pod, except she has more writing skills than you do.
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@All,
Have realized what it might take to make Heron's Fountain perpetual based on the modification I realized.
But since others have claimed this is their idea, I will not make known the last detail necessary to understand
what it would take to allow it to work perpetually.
The reason for my decision is that people have asked for charity when they do not believe in it themselves.
By this I mean donating the patent rights to charity. I think it is something that would be cool but am preparing
to start work on Bessler's wheel and that is plenty for one person to do.
Jim
@All, I posted what is the best possible solution for something like this to work in besslerwheel.com. I did say I am willing to donate the patent rights to charity as long as AB Hammer, tinselkoala and pirate88719 are not involved.
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5527 (http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5527)
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I retain all rights of patent to my invention.
James A. Lindgaard (to be accepted as my electronic signature for legal purposes)
edited to add;
Strength of mind rests in sobriety (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=pythagoras%20quote%20sobriety&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fthinkexist.com%2Fquotation%2Fstrength_of_mind_rests_in_sobriety-for_this_keeps%2F326791.html&ei=7krDUJXWHuPI0QGiqIAg&usg=AFQjCNEdgFWuziU9DVXaZvSZ-J8iRzAqsw) Pythagoras
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HAHAHAHAHAHA. LOL HAHAHAHA
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@All,
Would show how developing an idea using accepted procedures works but engineering is not spoken in this forum but ignorance is.
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Heron fountain starts with one container empty (A) and one full of water (B). If the container A was directly above container B then we could use gravity to flip the containers around once container A was full. This would be the most difficult method. You could also have a trap door to drop the water from container A to B. The best method I think would be to switch the water inlet to container A with the outlet for container B. All of which could be done mechanically.
Do you think these would work?
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@All,
bill and tk claim I stole this idea from tk and have demanded many times that I apologize to tk.
only idiots would say such things. one tbing they have over looked is that a modified Heron's Fountain that I designed could have the patent challenged by Greece because it is a part of their cultural and scientific history. by donating the patent to charity, it would show some class and is something that would prevent Heron's work from being exploited by greedy idiots.
and at the same time, it is a perpetual motion idea that most people could grasp.
Jim
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bill,
la. and tx. border each other and probably have tbe same internet protocol.
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You're a real loon, aren't you. You have no evidence for any of your contentions about me, and you are laughable in the extreme when you write loony stuff like that.
In addition..... your recent utterly obscene remark has not passed without notice, Johnny Doolittle. One day you will account for your astounding and vile insults.
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Hi,
has this guy got a never-ending fountain?
John.
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Hi,
has this guy got a never-ending fountain?
John.
Sure.
He just hasn't gotten around to building it yet. But as soon as people get off his back, he's going to.
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Hi,
what's he going to patent? Virtual water flow?
John.
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Hi,
what's he going to patent? Virtual water flow?
John.
John,
It's best to ignore Bill and tk.
Going off what we know, we know that Heron's fountain does work. What people have over looked is that it is the water in the inlet pressure head that is doing the work. They have always looked at the water filling the reservoir as the reason it works.
It may be possible to have continuously flowing water by modifying Heron's design. As it is, I am setting up a wood shop to build what I believe is Bessler's wheel. While I am working on that, I will be doing testing to see what parameters a perpetual Heron's Fountain could work.
As things are, I have no need to be in a hurry to do anything, just now getting back to normal and it is the Christmas rush at work.
Still, will be linking a web page to my youtube channel which is Bessler2011. I have posted a couple basic videos that show the idea has potential but more testing is necessary before building anything.
http://www.youtube.com/user/bessler2011
Jim
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Jim
Looks like you need a better stand for your test. I have a few older ones. I will let you have one, if you want? Just email me your address. I will even pay the shipping.
Alan
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alan,
I've told you many times that I won't wok with a private builder.
For the design I am pursuing, no stand is necessary.
I have thought about buying a trim router which might workvbetter than my router or rotary tool.
Still, at about $100,00, I will need to think about my budget.
Jim
btw alan, one reason why you and everyone else missed out on Bessler is because you don't believe in Jesus. Simply put, it will test your faith. That's why Bessler put 3 crosses in one of his drawings.
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@All,
Just heard on the Sunday morning news that the local Salvation Army has raised only $300,000 of the $500,000 they hoped to raise.
Yet bill and tk wanted ot for themselves when charities could use some help so that they can help people that need their services.
I've always found it's easier to consider an idea like my Modified Heron's Fountain when it is about the engineering and the people who were the innovators and NOT about the money.
Still, I am getting ready to get started on Bessler's Wheel (I can finally work a 40 plus hour week) and don't feel like doing 2 builds at the same time.
Jim
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alan,
I've told you many times that I won't wok with a private builder.
For the design I am pursuing, no stand is necessary.
I have thought about buying a trim router which might workvbetter than my router or rotary tool.
Still, at about $100,00, I will need to think about my budget.
Jim
btw alan, one reason why you and everyone else missed out on Bessler is because you don't believe in Jesus. Simply put, it will test your faith. That's why Bessler put 3 crosses in one of his drawings.
No Jim ::)
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You have got me wrong again. It is a gift, in honor of the birth of Jesus, Christmas if you wish. After watching your stands fall down on one of your videos. I saw a need, and since you seem to need and I have a couple of stands around not in use. I figured why not? It is not working with you. I don't think I would have the time to spend in that manner for I have so much to do already, and I don't care to mince words with you. Life is much better since I have received my disability. I no longer have to kill myself to survive.
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Merry Christmas to you and all here on the forum 8)
Alan
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alan,
Good bye
Jim
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You have 4 billion years to get it right, after that everything man left behind will be fuel for the sun, I said sun, not son. you better get a move on. time is ticking and 4 billions goes by quickly when you are already dead and in the grave and wasting what time you have to get it right.
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You have 4 billion years to get it right, after that everything man left behind will be fuel for the sun, I said sun, not son. you better get a move on. time is ticking and 4 billions goes by quickly when you are already dead and in the grave and wasting what time you have to get it right.
Hope you and alan have a good time with each other :o
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Please make a working fountain before starting a topic like this. It is obvious that you have not even made a basic one so, where is the modified part?
Can you even make a basic fountain?
It is easy.
It just takes a little engineering and no money at all.
Bill
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alan,
I've told you many times that I won't wok with a private builder.
For the design I am pursuing, no stand is necessary.
I have thought about buying a trim router which might workvbetter than my router or rotary tool.
Still, at about $100,00, I will need to think about my budget.
Jim
btw alan, one reason why you and everyone else missed out on Bessler is because you don't believe in Jesus. Simply put, it will test your faith. That's why Bessler put 3 crosses in one of his drawings.
Like all the other Gods/gods, Major Fail.
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@All,
Since this thread is about a modification I made to the design of Heron's Fountain, I will post some math. I have posted before that the inlet tubes people on youtube use is about 4x longer than the discharge tube.
With this 4:1 ratio having been shown to work, perpetuality might be achieved by using an inlet tube that rises to 6 inches above the level of the water on the inlet side of the chamber. And by using a discharge tube that rises 10 inches above the level of the water on the discharge side, it can empty above the top of the inlet tube. Without testing, I can not be certan that a barrier between the inlet and discharge tubes (sides of the chamber) would be needed.
If the inlet tube has an inside diameter of 1 5/16 or 1.38 inches and the discharge tube has a diameter of 1/2 or .5 inches, the 4:1 ratio would be maintained.
And if an 11/16th's and a 1/4 inch tube were used, should work just as well.
The inlet tube would have about 8 cubic inches of water and the discharge tube would have about 2 cubic inches of water.
If a square or rectangular reservoir (container) were used, it would help to keep it simple.
if a rectangular container is used that measures 3 inches by 6 inches on the inside, then if the barrier is 1/4 inch to one side making the surface area of the discharge side smaller, both the inlet and discharge areas would have about the same surface area being effected by the internal air pressure. This should allow the fountain to work perpetually according to what Heron realized.
Anyway, Merry Christmas everybody !
Jim
@All,
While a barrier might not be necessary it would add to the effect. Just think of it as a small water fall inside the fountain.
Johhny874 / Jim
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will probably build this along with a couple of Bessler builds.
Have a blog linked to my youtube acount bessler2011
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Like all the other Gods/gods, Major Fail.
So you saying people being able to make their own decisions is a bad thing ?
Can't speak for God myself but did send Stefan an e-mail letting him know how everyone missed what I observed.
Still, enjoy the peace and quiet of blogging :D
Jim
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I will be building this as well as patenting it. Business is business.
Johnny874
Stefan,
I am saving this thread so will have proof that you did not post this.
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could say I am disappointed but when greed is not the objective, there is nothing to say.
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Okay, Jim now has its own website:
http://bessler2011.blogspot.com/ (http://bessler2011.blogspot.com/)
Thus I am closing this thread now here.
Regards, Stefan. ( admin)