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Modified Heron's Fountain
« on: August 30, 2012, 05:25:32 PM »
  Will build when I am able a modified heron's Fountain and will keep the patent rights.
 I could use the money. After all, coworkers along with my family have done what they can to keep me from having a family.
Not everyone one in my family is that messed up thankfully but have missed the best part of life because of what other people think.
 And when they say turn disability into ability, there always seems to be some jealous person around.

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Modified Heron's Fountain
« on: August 30, 2012, 05:25:32 PM »

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2012, 09:08:22 PM »
You just wait. Someday, when I can get out of bed, I'll build the world's best perpetual motion machine, using a 2000 year old design, and I'll keep the patent all to myself. So there. Right now though you people are keeping me from doing anything. If I only had a family I'd show you all. But the Army put my family into poverty. I went to tech school to learn how to use a lathe, but I can't stand up for long and I got a chip in one eye plus I can't hear either, so nobody would let me use their lathe after a while. I've missed the best part of my life because people are thinking things about me. But you'll see. I'm going to stop posting and just build something, the best perpetual machine ever. I'll build a Bessler wheel, then I'll build an overunity lever, then I'll build a Heron's Fountain that doesn't use gravity at all, it will work in zero g because it uses vacuum instead of pressure. As soon as I have my next three surgeries and the doctors let me walk, I'll start building something, if they haven't stolen all my tools. They did before, you  know, just to keep me and my inventions from seeing the light of day.

You'll see.

I'm going to stop posting now. Good bye.



And if people would just let me, I'll save the world with my inventions.






But I'm going to stop posting here because you are all a bunch of conspirators preventing me from getting anywhere or living my life. I'm going to go away now and stop posting.

Bye now.

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2012, 10:35:50 PM »
tk,
ur just jealous because I understand this better than u.
 and yep, do believe bill deleted ur post and my response to it, when you can't discuss engineering, play head games, it's all you have.
 

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2012, 10:41:30 PM »
Yeah, and I'm sure you will PROVE ME WRONG.

Just as soon as you are feeling well enough to get out of bed.

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2012, 11:02:44 PM »
@all,
 there is a real simple way to build a working device like this,
 if the tube going down into the water is 1 1/2 inches in diameter and a tube coming out the side is 1/4 inch in diameter, it should have no problem working continuously,
 The reason why is the larger tube has a surface area of about 1.75 cubic inches and tne smaller tube has .05 cubic inches.
 They both would have 14 psi of air pressure acting on them.
 What happens is when the larger tube causes the air pressure in the completely closed reservoir, it releases the increase in pressure pumping water through the smaller tube.
 The reason why no one has thought of this is because static heads are supposed to level themselves with each other. It seems what Heron discovered is that when air is added to the system is that rules of hudraulics become what is important.
 You see, if this didn't happen then his fountain never would have worked.

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2012, 11:07:02 PM »
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The reason why is the larger tube has a surface area of about 1.75 cubic inches and tne smaller tube has .05 cubic inches.

Priceless. Surface area is now measured in cubic inches. Who knew?

Now we have the secret of overunity.

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2012, 11:52:28 PM »
Priceless. Surface area is now measured in cubic inches. Who knew?

Now we have the secret of overunity.

  I thought you were supposed to be smart ? that's not the secret of perpetual motion, it's air in the system because it allows for hydraulic principles to be used.
 But knowing how to calculate volume and surface area allows the effects of compressed air to vreate a fountain. You seem to forget in your rush to demonstrate your lack of brains that Heron's Fountain does work. It shouldn't because equal forces are acting on the water in each container which woul be atmospheric pressure.
 And as I mentioned, when air is compressed, it seems it acts as a medium. Basically, if 2 square inches of surface area is used to compress air, then if the surface area of the air is 1 square inch, then it could have a maximum of 28 psi. I think that's enough to pump some water. Especially if it's into a 1/4 inch tube because .05 is 1/40th the potential.
 But you and Bill are like Alan, you're not interested in seeing a working pmm. As Alan once told me, he'd show me how to be credible and the first thing he did was to discredit someone's idea. Gauranteed to be credible since perpetual motion is considered impossib
 But I guess you and bill have nothing to discuss in the other parts of the forum where they work on things you are interested in. Of course, anyone can go check out besslerwheel and see it's pretty dead in there. it's because of people like you who want to make fun of people who try.
 What I do like about you the most is you will attack a disabled Vet who has been openly disciminated against, shows real class.
 
 edited to add; @all, surface area is calculated by PiR^2 and volume of a cylinder would be multiplied by height. Of course, a cylinder doesn't have to be used but the inlet and outlet tubes might be easier to find if they're round.
 And for those who aren't familiar with PiR^2, it's 3.142 times the radius multiplied by itself. An example of this is a 1 inch diameter tube has a radius of .5 inches and would be calculated by going .5 x .5 = .25 x 3.142 = 0.7855 cubic inches.
                                                                                        R^2                   Pi
 
  Not sure if it matters to you guys but it is strange that by compressing air it could allow for a different behavior. As I have mentioned
before, static heads are supposed to balance in height. I think the change using Heron's invention would allow for is the potential of the
larger static head to be converted into energy. Without the air, the potential is there but it can not perform any work without draining the
reservoir. But with the air, the water would have an opposing force acting on it, the air in the reservoir.
 Of course, it's always possible Heron tried this and it didn't work.

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2012, 12:09:48 AM »

Jim:

I think what TK was poking at was your quote of " surface area of about 1.75 cubic inches ".


Generally people are accustom to seeing "area" measured in sq. inches (or sq. ft., etc) rather than using a volume measurement such as "cubic inches".


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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2012, 12:12:08 AM »
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And for those who aren't familiar with PiR^2, it's 3.142 times the radius multiplied by itself. An example of this is a 1 inch diameter tube has a radius of .5 inches and would be calculated by going .5 x .5 = .25 x 3.142 = 0.7855 cubic inches.

Keep digging, Jim, there is plenty of room at the bottom.

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2012, 12:17:00 AM »
Jim:

I think what TK was poking at was your quote of " surface area of about 1.75 cubic inches ".


Generally people are accustom to seeing "area" measured in sq. inches (or sq. ft., etc) rather than using a volume measurement such as "cubic inches".


trueasearch

That's right, generally they are. And generally they understand that when you multiply inches by inches by a dimensionless constant there is NO WAY that your answer could be in "Cubic inches". So what Jim has shown us, three times now in two separate posts, is that he can punch buttons on a calculator but has no idea what they mean, nor can he do the most elementary "sanity checking" or dimensional analysis in his head. And this, of course, isn't his fault, it's the Army's, or his doctor's, or the meds he's on, or the persecution he gets from Bill and Andy.

ETA: Maybe it's just a typo, and he really meant to say "cubic inches per inch".

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2012, 12:37:35 AM »
  Have gone back over and read some old posts. it seems some people really have an issue with someone trying to build.
 I'm not a wood worker but have been taking the time to learn. am going to take it slow with Bessler's wheel. Still need surgery before I can return to work and it does make things more challenging. After all, learning can be expensive because it does require doing something.
 Have fun tk and Bill because tk is right, I don't belong in here.

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2012, 12:59:38 AM »
Jim:

I think what TK was poking at was your quote of " surface area of about 1.75 cubic inches ".


Generally people are accustom to seeing "area" measured in sq. inches (or sq. ft., etc) rather than using a volume measurement such as "cubic inches".


trueasearch

 it's a bad habit I got into when I realized that 28 cubic inches of water can have a surface area of 28 inches. If the water drops one inch in level, it can fill a tube that is 28 inches tall with 1 cubic inch of volume per inch. that would allow for the water to drain into a bucket and cause the pump to work becasuse it would allow for the use of leverage. basically, the 1 lb. of water would have a 2 ft. drop. This violates mechanical principles because 1 lb. dropping 1 in. can only lift 1 lb. 1 in.so I guess lifting water 28 times as high pretty much would show where considering things only in one fashion can cause idea's to be missed that might work.
 and for tk, I know ti would really take more than 1 lb. of water to pump a column 28 inches tall, but it would not be much more and with leverage, 1 lb. of water can drop 4 inches and create 4 times the force using leverage at a 4 to 1 ratio. no problem there.
 Still, as I have been told by wise people, all I need is my job and my employer is being nice and holding it for me until I can get my medical situation resolved.
 no reason it wouldn't work
truesearch,.here's a link to it. the idea at first was marginal but by the end of thread, it became something I like.
http://www.overunity.com/12426/continuously-flowing-water-theory/

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2012, 04:30:55 AM »
See, I told you. He meant cubic inches per inch. How can we be so stupid? Why, just as soon as everybody gets off his back he'll show us how one inch of water with 28 cubic inches of surface area will push up a column of water one inch thick and 28 inches high.

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2012, 09:16:05 AM »
   tk,
 when somebody wants someone else to demonstrate something, they're usually not rude about it.
 In a way it would help to demonstrate a principle Bessler used in his wheels.
edited to add; you're just wanting someone to dance for you like a puppet to be your entertainment.
 edited to add; since bill will be posting a video demonstrating something, I won't need to. it could be viewed by some that I am trying to keep up with him.
« Last Edit: August 31, 2012, 02:33:12 PM by johnny874 »

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2012, 03:38:13 PM »
Yeah, and I'm sure you will PROVE ME WRONG.

Just as soon as you are feeling well enough to get out of bed.

  Tinself Koala,
 here is a quote from yours and Bills friend AB Hammer
>> 
 I want you to build your wheels. For only then, will you see I was only trying to save you some time and money. But since you don't believe my opinion you have no choice but to build.  <<
  More of what he had to say  >>  Here is something my grandfather told me a long time ago. (he died at 96 years of age) he worked till the day he died.
>> Never retire in your hart or mind for that is a consent to death. <<
 So when you give up, your heath will deteriorate. Now, have I been truly cruel? Only if you look at it as you have to be cruel to be kind. (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/wink.gif)  <<
 Talk about double speak. the post was dated >> Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant« Reply #2282 on: March 20, 2010, 05:23:04 PM »  <<  Since I was building, in order for Alan to be "credible" like you, he wanted to sound wise by giving me good advice not to build because perpetual motion is not possible but then turns around and tellls me i have no choice but to build. I had a choice, this is my hobby. I can stand on my own two feet just fine. I don't have the need to attack someone like you do tk. You have nothing and dislike not being able to keep up with me. Alan was the same way. there is no reason I should have to tolerate harassment from people who do not share information in the pursuit of perpetual motion, yet I have had to tolerate it. While Alan tried saying I needed to build because I would be giving in to my illness, I was building because credible coworkers helped me to lose my job because they thought making life difficult for a disabled vet was good entertainment. I've been at this longer than people like Alan and others like him and have put a lot of work into it. This is why i understand some things better than you which you can't accept. And the illness Alan is talking about is the same one I am having problems with which keep me from working. Not a lot of fun but still should be allowed to enjoy my hobby if I was around emotionally mature people.
 
edited to add; and if you read reply #2280 by one of AB Hammer's friends, said I hate being proven wrong. Do believe the design will work and have yet been proven wrong about it. The weights don't need to be lifted though but this might also let some of you guys who would like to see a working wheel understand some of what I have had to put up with in working on Bessler's wheel. And it's not even medically related, just constantly being insulted by people who are not here to see if it can't happen.
 And what they do miss is that this is my hobby. never knew there was something wrong with having a hobby.

 

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