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Title: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 29, 2012, 03:22:21 AM
This past weekend I constructed a Heron's Fountain according to the attached diagram.  I will post a video of it in operation when I get a chance.  This is a really cool project and cost me nothing to build.  It is amazing to see the water lifted higher than the starting point.  More later...

Bill

Instructions I used are here: http://blog.makezine.com/2008/06/08/build-herons-fountain-1/ (http://blog.makezine.com/2008/06/08/build-herons-fountain-1/)  I modified a few things to fit the materials I had laying about.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on August 29, 2012, 03:43:05 AM
Good for you! I think I used the same diagram for my first one too.

For my latest version I used some bigger plastic jars from instant coffee, and I stacked the lids and jars a little differently.
I've found that PermaTex (3M) Super WeatherStrip Adhesive, the yellow kind, found in car parts stores, works well for gluing these plastics. Sand the surfaces, degrease with MEK, follow instructions on the glue, and you will get a good, airtight and water resistant bond.

I think it's hilarious that Heron of Alexandria also invented the first coin-operated vending machine: A Holy Water dispenser.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 29, 2012, 04:02:39 AM
TK:

Good tips, thanks.  I used my hot glue gun and it worked well.  I did have to touch up a few joints but it worked on the first try.  I used small 16 oz bottles and a few tupperware type pieces.  The onlyy thing is, the "supply" bottle empties fairly quickly...so i put a nozzle on the end of the fountain head with a reduced diameter and it makes it last longer but...it still empties.  Is the supply bottle supposed to refill at all during this process?  Obviously it can't on a 1 for 1 basis but, is there any way to partially refill the supply bottle while it is running from some of the drain from the fountain cup?

I showed a friend of mine and he said there is no way that the water was going to go higher than it started out....which is what I thought too.  It sprays out with good pressure with the restricted nozzle.

Vending machine you say?  I had not read that.

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Magluvin on August 29, 2012, 04:13:12 AM
So the real trick would be to have the top container drain into the second chamber and that pressurizes the bottom chamber to force the fountain from the bottom chamber.

Now we are filling the second chamber and depleting the bottom. After all is said and done, if its possible, it wont require work to get the water from the second chamber to the bottom again. ;]

MaGs
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Magluvin on August 29, 2012, 04:27:48 AM
Like this.  ;]

MaGs
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on August 29, 2012, 05:06:42 AM
I used a lot of hot glue on my first one too. It works well for prototyping, and is removable if you are careful, which is a real plus. A flexible bond that can be quite strong. As with any adhesive the key is in the surface preparation.

It would be great if Magluvin's schematic worked !

The only way for water to get into the bottom reservoir in the original model should be from the upper cup. If the cup empties too fast then there is probably a gas leak somewhere. And you should try to use the minimum amount of starting water, I think, because all the water that goes into the cup winds up in the bottom reservoir, so you don't want it to fill too fast and leave a lot of water "hanging" in the upper reservoir. I've tried flow restrictors in the cup output; this can help, but now I'm just using thinner ID tubes:  I have about a mile of drip irrigation line that has been just taking up space.

Extending the distance between the bottom two bottles increased the output pressure on my version 2. I can pump 13 1/2 inches of head above the cup outlet nozzle.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 29, 2012, 05:51:21 AM
TK:

Ah, i see.  The thing that impressed me, beside the water shooting up higher than where it started, was that my top cup (tupperware type bowl) when partially filled to start it...it remains at the same level during the entire process.  It neither fills nor empties.

So, if we had a 6' tall fountain, with larger storage bottles, the head would be higher and the flow would last longer?  I saw youtube vids where they were using 2 litter bottles for this whereas I used 16 oz bottles.

I was thinking about adding a fill port to the top starting bottle and placing a partially filled balloon on the nozzle.
This would be in an effort to add additional storage to it for longer operations.


Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on August 29, 2012, 07:41:24 AM
It's the increased pressure... air pressure in the normal model.... in the top bottle that forces the water up the fountain. So I think the less flexible this container the better, and there may be some advantage to having this be a wide shallow container instead of a tall bottle; at least I think I've seen some drawings to this effect; haven't tried it though. There are some geometry problems here! I think the airspace here should be small but how do you avoid it increasing as the bottle empties?
But for sure, the spacer bottle between the bottom and the middle worked for me, and the way I've got my lids and plumbing arranged I can put it in or leave it out, either way. I think it is the difference between the heads in the top and the bottom bottles that drives the thing, so even in a tall one you still want to keep the bottom head as low and the top head as  high as possible... I think.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Magluvin on August 29, 2012, 08:14:46 AM
Was thinking the same thing

Shallower and wide. The only reason I came to that conclusion is that it brings the level of the water being sent up the fountain closer to the fountain opening, so less pressure to get a rise out of it.  So some efficiency would come of it. And wider, more volume to run longer.

MaGs
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: conradelektro on August 29, 2012, 10:39:25 AM
Heron's fountain is mind-boggling. Of course, there is an explanation, but one has to think hard when seeing it the first time. The deceiving part is the very slow use of the water. If one does not look long enough, the refilling seems to work.

It was very clever of the now often wet coala TK to bring Heron's fountain up in the discussion of the mrwayne contraption. I suspect that such a mind boggling effect arises with the many "concentric risers". A "storage tank" above the machine could drive the thing for a while.

Many things catch my attention, but I just can not bring myself to play with this. May be it is the "wetness" of such experiments.

Sorry for the useless contribution, just musing why mrwayne is doing what he is doing, strange, stranger and strangest,

Conrad
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Neo-X on August 29, 2012, 01:50:50 PM
Is this the same principle on self flowing flask?
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: conradelektro on August 29, 2012, 03:06:21 PM
Is this the same principle on self flowing flask?

Well, the self flowing flask is a thought experiment (first published by Robert Boyle in the 17th century) which does not work in reality. Whereas Heron's fountain does work (if set up properly and when refilled /emptied occasionally).

http://deemaland.blogspot.co.at/2008/01/boyle-self-flowing-flask.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Boyle (see at the end of the page, scroll down)

Many contraptions based on water flow can be made to work by applying heat in order to generate natural convection. The necessary energy (which can be very little) comes from the heat source.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on August 29, 2012, 05:17:00 PM
This past weekend I constructed a Heron's Fountain according to the attached diagram.  I will post a video of it in operation when I get a chance.  This is a really cool project and cost me nothing to build.  It is amazing to see the water lifted higher than the starting point.  More later...

Bill

Instructions I used are here: http://blog.makezine.com/2008/06/08/build-herons-fountain-1/ (http://blog.makezine.com/2008/06/08/build-herons-fountain-1/)  I modified a few things to fit the materials I had laying about.

  This is funny Pirate88719. My continuously flowing water uses similar mechanics but includes the use of leverage to make it perpetual. TK, told me such things are junk and I should go back to school, lmao   :o
 But I don't play with children's toys anymore.
 
edited to add; @All, the last comment was aimed at pirate 88719 and TinselfKoala.
  This is something I became familiar with when I went to school for propulsion engineering. The pressures we worked with were up to about 1,320 psi, that's when safeties would lift.
 And with myself, what i learned was how to get work from such differences in pressure.
 As for bill and tk, they might want to consider reading a book on engineering to get a better understanding of the dynamics involved. You know, how compression creates back pressure but by utilizing another force (gravity), back pressure can be compensated for (by using leverage) to have a system that can take advantage of the energy potential that exists.
 
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: broli on August 29, 2012, 06:59:48 PM
That's a neat little heron's fountain design.

@Magluvin the suggested concept would be cool if it worked but I doubt it. Heron's fountain is all about pressure differences. I attached an illustration that shows this. You see a green and a red bar in both, these indicate the pressure differences. When one is higher than the other it should tell you something about the flow of things. In the right, your suggestion, the pressure difference is reversed. So what will happen is that the water in the long tube will fall back until its pressure is equal to the length of the red line, which is the pressure of the water column between the surface of the top bottle and middle bottle.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: b_rads on August 29, 2012, 07:55:04 PM
This past weekend I constructed a Heron's Fountain according to the attached diagram.  I will post a video of it in operation when I get a chance.  This is a really cool project and cost me nothing to build.  It is amazing to see the water lifted higher than the starting point.  More later...

Bill

Instructions I used are here: http://blog.makezine.com/2008/06/08/build-herons-fountain-1/ (http://blog.makezine.com/2008/06/08/build-herons-fountain-1/)  I modified a few things to fit the materials I had laying about.

Thank you Bill for posting this.  This looks to be great fun and will look at this weekend to try and replicate.  Really looking forward to your video on this. 
 
Brad S
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on August 29, 2012, 08:42:09 PM
This past weekend I constructed a Heron's Fountain according to the attached diagram.  I will post a video of it in operation when I get a chance.  This is a really cool project and cost me nothing to build.  It is amazing to see the water lifted higher than the starting point.  More later...

Bill

Instructions I used are here: http://blog.makezine.com/2008/06/08/build-herons-fountain-1/ (http://blog.makezine.com/2008/06/08/build-herons-fountain-1/)  I modified a few things to fit the materials I had laying about.

   Yep Bill,
 Thank you for posting this, but it's the Travis Effect.    ;D
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on August 29, 2012, 10:53:08 PM
  @All,
 Have realized something. If Heron had his tubes under water, then he would have pumped water instead of air.
 Yes, water is eventually pumped, but only because water is stored in other reservoirs while the air they contained is being pumped.
What this would have done is it would have prevented water in the top chamber from filling the lower chambers.
 If you ask Bill, this is most likely why it quits working, the top chamber empties to the level of the fill tube for the lwoer level.
 A simple way around this is to have all the tubes in the lower chambers below water level. This would mean the increase in any air
pressure would be because of increased water volume.
 A small change in Heron's invention, but for 2,000 years it is accepted that the principles he realized are correct, then pumping water instead of air changes nothing except for itbeing a perpetual device.
 You see, water and air follow the same principles of engineering. While one is called pneumatic and the other hydro, the forces work in the same fashion. Simply put, if Heron had used shorter tubes in his invention, he would have realized perpetual motion 2,ooo years ago.
 But as is often the case, you can't expect the inventor to know everything can you ? We can't and today his work might show the simplicity that perpetual motion can be found in.
 Myself, I will need to take a break as I do have serious medical issues to deal with, but leaving you guys with the help of Bill, something that has been proven and in making a slight modification might show what some of us in this forum believe in. And that is there is something left to be learned and some things are possible even though conventional wisdom does not support it.

                                                                                                                                    Take Care and Good Bye
 
edited for clarification.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: FatBird on August 30, 2012, 12:32:16 AM
It seems like this one is MUCH EASIER to make & has a GREATER potential
for SCALING UP to turn a water wheel, which then turns a generator.
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=287qd4uI7-E&feature=channel&list=UL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=287qd4uI7-E&feature=channel&list=UL)
 
 
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Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on August 30, 2012, 01:51:15 AM
It seems like this one is MUCH EASIER to make & has a GREATER potential
for SCALING UP to turn a water wheel, which then turns a generator.
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=287qd4uI7-E&feature=channel&list=UL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=287qd4uI7-E&feature=channel&list=UL)
 
 
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   FatBird,
  The picture you show is from a vidoe you posted. The things shown in the video are not possible.
What they are meant for is to encouracge discussions by people like your self who find them interesting.
 The simplest possible pm device is one that would be based on Heron's Fountain.
 There is a reason why it is called a fountain. In order for it to have this name means that 2,000 years ago,
it would have to have shot water into the air just as a fountain does today.
 What everyone seems to miss is that under pressure, there is no difference between the effects of watr and air except for corrosion.
 Myself, I would recommend people take Bill's suggestion and try this. If it works using water to create air pressure to pump water, then it should work with water presure creating air pressure to pump water. It really is the same thing between pneumatics and hydraulics. It's just that for performing work, hydraulics is more efficient.
 All I can say to you FatBird is to try it. You may be surprised by the outcome and what you might learn.
 But then, there are people more knowledgeable than myself. I mean really, what does it take to calcualte r^2Pi= surface area ? it is nothing new and when combined with h (height), then flow can be determined. it really is centuries old. But today, trying something is going against your friends.
 I am not sure why but ask your friends and they will tell you. Also, it could be Heron didn't have any friends just like Archimedes and his contemporary Pythoras.
 And no, don't ask me about the pythogorean theorem because I know nothing about heresy.
 I prefer to deal with facts, just sk my friwend  8)
 
edited to add;
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLwkT5vAzCE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLwkT5vAzCE)
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 30, 2012, 07:29:59 AM
Johnny:

Why do you persist to try to derail folks that are actually doing real experiments here?  If you are not intelligent enough to follow along, i can understand that but, please stop with the trash talk.  We do not put up with that here....you get me?  If you want to contribute something constructive, that is fine...but trashing me and TK is NOT constructive.  Post YOUR fountain that you claim is OU.  Where is it?  Oh...you can't make it but it works right?  Everyone here sees right through you so...please give it up.

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on August 30, 2012, 03:34:29 PM
Johnny:

Why do you persist to try to derail folks that are actually doing real experiments here?  If you are not intelligent enough to follow along, i can understand that but, please stop with the trash talk.  We do not put up with that here....you get me?  If you want to contribute something constructive, that is fine...but trashing me and TK is NOT constructive.  Post YOUR fountain that you claim is OU.  Where is it?  Oh...you can't make it but it works right?  Everyone here sees right through you so...please give it up.

Bill

  Bill,
 Just because you do not understand engineering is no reason for you to attack me.
 All anyone has to do is make a working Heron's Fountain and mark the water levels. Then when
they disassemble it, they can cut the tubes to the height of the water level or just below it. After all,
anyone who has gone to school for this type of engineering kmows that water and air follow the same
principles when they are working within a system. It's true one is called pneumatic and the other
hydraulic, but their force potential is calculated just the same when pressurized.
 And by using short tubes, as I mentioned, water would be pumped from one chamber to the next. After
all, water is pumped from the last chamber, right ? It is because if it wasn't so, then it wouldn't be called Heron's
Fountain. So why not pump water from one chamber to the next ? This would maintain a continuous flow.
 And this is completely on topic. I hope you are not upset because I made an observation that you missed Bill.
 Of course, this could create a problem with patent rights. After all, those big bad companies come after people
who build what they sale. Haven't seen it happen yet but will take your word for it. But since i do plan on building
Bessler's wheel and as I have often stated, if what i post leads to an invention, I am perfectly willing to donate said
patent rights to charity. And if heron's Fountain is found to work perpetually by making modifications I have
suggested and is considered my invention, then people like FatBird can pick a charity to give the rights to the invention to.
 
                                                                                                                         Johnny
 
p.s., this will probably be the coolest pm device a person could think of, a fountain. Ya'all do realize that Heron was pretty
smart to have realized hydraulics could work in such a fashion.
 
edited to complete a sentence.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on August 30, 2012, 06:53:13 PM
 you know bill, if you look at what you and tk posted in the my invention thread, it was nothing but a mind game, niether of you at no time considered discussing what the thread was about.
 and yet what are you posting now ? insults and nothing else. you lack the intelligence to understand that heron's fountain didn't work because of gravity but because of a pressure difference and that having a smaller discharge or outlet tube than the fill tube allows hydraulic pressure to work in the direction of least resistence.
 so go ahead and insult me if you like. it is all you and your friens have ever done,
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 31, 2012, 05:14:39 AM
I am in the process of rebuilding my fountain using clear plastic tubing (think hose) instead of the drinking straws I used originally.  They we only 8" long and I had to butt "weld" them together to get the lengths I needed and, when preparing to make a video tonight I noticed that one of the "welds" had come undone.  I destroyed the other joints when taking it apart as you can't unscrew the cap once the tubes are glued to the screw caps because when you turn the caps, it rips apart the connections.....well...you get the idea.  I had a roll of clear plastic tubing sitting about so I am using that this time.  No joints so, less chance for leaks in this area.

Once I get it up and running, I WILL post a video of it.  I found some water soluble florescent yellow paint left over from my Wilby's Bird experiments and I mixed it in water.  If I can dig up my ultraviolet  leds, that should look pretty good when operating in the dark.

Right now, I am waiting for the superglue to dry on my caps connections.

Will post as soon as I can.

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on August 31, 2012, 04:18:51 PM
I am in the process of rebuilding my fountain using clear plastic tubing (think hose) instead of the drinking straws I used originally.  They we only 8" long and I had to butt "weld" them together to get the lengths I needed and, when preparing to make a video tonight I noticed that one of the "welds" had come undone.  I destroyed the other joints when taking it apart as you can't unscrew the cap once the tubes are glued to the screw caps because when you turn the caps, it rips apart the connections.....well...you get the idea.  I had a roll of clear plastic tubing sitting about so I am using that this time.  No joints so, less chance for leaks in this area.

Once I get it up and running, I WILL post a video of it.  I found some water soluble florescent yellow paint left over from my Wilby's Bird experiments and I mixed it in water.  If I can dig up my ultraviolet  leds, that should look pretty good when operating in the dark.

Right now, I am waiting for the superglue to dry on my caps connections.

Will post as soon as I can.

Bill

  here's a way you might try it Bill, just trying to be helpful.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5LpJAR3cM0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5LpJAR3cM0)
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on August 31, 2012, 06:13:44 PM
  By the way, am fairly certain I know how to make it perpetual.
 could tell someone after they build one and uncerstands why it works. it might actually be easier to build.
 but there is that nagging question of why bother patenting and getting xome reimbursement for the years of work I put into learning this stuff.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on August 31, 2012, 07:01:37 PM
  here's a drawing of my version of Herons Fountain.
 Because the fill tube has a larger diameter, it can over fill a reservoir beneath it into another reservoir where the discharge tube is located. This barrier would prevent the 2 static heads from balancing themselves which they would do.
 If anyone bothers to build Heron's fountain, you'll find out that the discharge tube as in the video is a smaller static head. And it's the mass of the static head that generates the air pressure for pumping out the reservoir where the outlet tube is located.
 The top view is looking straight down at it. should give everyone a decent idea of how a simple pmm might be built.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on August 31, 2012, 08:22:47 PM
Well, I was gonna wait until Bill posted his video of his fountain, but after that last set of drawings from johnny874 I feel rather obligated to point out that I published the video below on YouTube on August 25th.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlLYD4CSJLU

Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on August 31, 2012, 11:45:46 PM
Well, I was gonna wait until Bill posted his video of his fountain, but after that last set of drawings from johnny874 I feel rather obligated to point out that I published the video below on YouTube on August 25th.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlLYD4CSJLU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlLYD4CSJLU)

  TK,
 the reason the flow slowed so much when you put the straw on the discharge tube is because the weight of the static head increased. but with what I drew, only one chamber is necessary because of a barrier which can be over flowed. that is what would allow for it possibly going perpetual.
 with 2 similar static heads in something like this, 1 inch diameter is about .78 cubic inches per inch and with a 1/2 inch line, it's about 1/5th cubic inch per inch. it's the weight of the staic head that creates the air pressure. The inlet tube would have about 4 times the force.
 What  might be missed is that air pressure can slow the inlet of water to keep pace with what is being discharged. It would find a balance at some point. And is always possible that some pre pressurization might be required to limit how much water it takes to generate air pressure.
edited to add; if the outlet tube was taller than with the straw, flow would probably reverse itself.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 01, 2012, 03:46:56 AM
TK and all:

I have old Johnny on ignore and can't see what he is posting...I am sure I am not missing much.  Ignore is such a great feature.

Just completed putting my fountain back together and will test it...and then film it tonight.  I did a slight mod to the output part which I just glued together since I got home from work.  I found an ultraviolet led but the output is not really enough to get the full effect so....I will buy a black light bulb and make another video another day using that....tonight's will just be the fountain.

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: gadgetmall on September 01, 2012, 05:07:26 AM
Love it Bill . It's nice to see you and other friendlies doing some more research on stuff . I Love running water sound . so soothing . I have to get some rest now  but i will check in tomorrow for another exciting adventure IN ... Ou.com

Al
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 01, 2012, 08:09:11 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maFjn3pSdoo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maFjn3pSdoo)

I finally got the video to upload.  I will make a better one at a later date but, you can get the idea from this one.


Here is the schematic I based my device on:

Al:

It is great to be back with you and the old gang again.  God only knows what we might do this time, ha ha.

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on September 01, 2012, 08:39:21 PM
Man, I love the looks of that fluorescent paint in there. A couple UV LEDs will really jazz that fountain up! 
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 01, 2012, 08:48:35 PM
TK:

Thanks.  I found 2 of my uv leds and I also have a 60 watt edison black light bulb.  I will play around with them and see what kind of effects I can get.  If it is anything worth seeing, I will make a short vid of it.

Bill

PS  That is about a shot glass worth of the water based paint mixed in with  about 20 oz of water so, it does not glow as good as 100% paint but it also does not change the viscosity either.  It might be interesting to try to run it on 100% paint which is pretty thick but flows easily.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: gadgetmall on September 01, 2012, 09:48:11 PM
Great Project guys . Progress thru replication . Who knows what you might see that wasn't discovered when it was build in the beginning . ;; I can float valves and more stages and all kinds of cool things . Even air battery powered  dc pump to aid in the swap ..just a dream .

Al
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 02, 2012, 12:04:11 AM
Al:

I agree with you.  What about using ferro fluid as the liquid?  I read up on it and it is called " liquid magnets".  So, now could we wrap all of the tubing with copper wire (coils) and generate anything from this I wonder?  Would Lentz place too much drag and stop the flow?  Hmmmm......just thinking out loud here.

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 02, 2012, 12:08:05 AM
TK:

Please feel free to post links to your videos here on the work you have been doing.  With your permission, I will do it but, I think the folks need to see what you have done thus far.  I really like the ping-pong ball container.....some wild thinking there.

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on September 02, 2012, 01:15:16 AM
Thanks Bill!

Here's the "extended version" with the pingpong ball chamber. It's a spacer, really, from the ideas given by Conradelektro and the wiki pages, and my own realisation that the fountain depends on the difference in levels between source and receiver reservoirs. The easiest way for me to add a spacer was just to put another jar in the stack, and have it function as an extended air conduit. The pingpong balls are there to reduce the active air volume in the extra vent space, so that it's not as "springy". The external plumbing of this version might make the operation clearer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3UGTyc36f4

I think I'll put another spacer in the stack, just to see how high it will actually pump.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 02, 2012, 01:35:52 AM
TK:

Thanks.  Yes, I understand taking up the air volume but, those balls are somewhat pressurized and therefore...maybe...will compress just a little and then feed the energy back the same amount...you know?  Well, maybe I should not say they are pressurized but, they are sealed spheres and when you squeeze them, they squeeze back.

Does this make any sense?  This is why I thought your choice of the balls was brilliant.  I'll bet if you used metal spheres to take up the space, you would lose something there.....just thinking.

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Lakes on September 02, 2012, 02:02:50 AM
Rename Tk`s latest video "The Pickled Egg Fountain"  :)
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 02, 2012, 03:45:08 AM
Rename Tk`s latest video "The Pickled Egg Fountain"  :)

Good name...I like it.

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on September 02, 2012, 08:07:58 AM
Well, actually I was thinking that the ppballs were less compressible than the same volume of unshelled air... essentially solid objects at the small pressure changes involved. So I figured that they would help by reducing the energy storage in springiness and just allow more direct transfer of the pressure from the bottom bottle to the water in the top bottle.
I was hoping that they would just be simple displacers and I wanted to avoid energy storage in compressed air. But actually I haven't done a rigorous comparison with and without the balls. Easy enough to do, I'll probably set up and test later tonight or tomorrow morning. Since it's pretty clear that I blew my chances at winning the Self-Powered TableTop Water Pump challenge..... ho ho ho..... there's not much else going on.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 02, 2012, 10:01:58 AM
TK:

Well, I was looking at my replication and was thinking that since I used those plastic bottles, they can hold some pressure as well as a vacuum.  I am thinking that this helps somewhat in this process.  I read that Heron used copper vessels for his device so, we might have a slight advantage here with our replications.

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: The Boss on September 02, 2012, 03:29:56 PM
..... ho ho ho..... there's not much else going on.

...not as far as the Buddah is concerned.
 
 
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on September 04, 2012, 01:52:10 AM
c'mon guys, there's gotta b mor.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on September 05, 2012, 04:43:37 PM
Well, I was gonna wait until Bill posted his video of his fountain, but after that last set of drawings from johnny874 I feel rather obligated to point out that I published the video below on YouTube on August 25th.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlLYD4CSJLU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlLYD4CSJLU)

 yep and you've recently posted this video calling it the Folger's instant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fYltvNPU0U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fYltvNPU0U)
 why not just call it johnny874 ? is it because of all of your attacks on me ?
 
 
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on September 05, 2012, 06:44:32 PM
So now you are spamming the thread with my videos? The videos I posted to YT on August 25th and August 24th? When your Modified Heron's Fountain thread was started on August 30? And this thread was started on August 29th?

I see you are also lying about it on my YT comments. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 
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He's actually ripping me off. Flames me in the forum then takes credit for my discovery.
This is why working openly can be a bad idea.
    Bessler2011 (http://www.youtube.com/user/Bessler2011)   51 minutes ago


You are a blatant liar. Look at the dates. And if you claim that your silly "continuous flowing water" thread has anything to do with this, you will again be lying through your rotten teeth.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: broli on September 05, 2012, 07:56:13 PM
Pressure increases when flow decreases, isn't that Fluid Dynamics 101? What's all this "my invention" fuss about on an open source forum?
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on September 05, 2012, 09:28:23 PM
Please note, everyone, that Johnny874's drawing of nested chambers was posted here in this thread on August 31, and my videos showing my TinselZed nested chambers were posted to YouTube beginning on August 23, and I even have one also posted to YT showing the chambers on August 22, but this one is still private, along with the one on August 25 where I show the full disassembly and all the parts clearly... that one is still private too.

In any case, I can prove that I used the design incorporating separate chambers in the reservoir more than a week BEFORE johnny874 ever posted anything about it.  In other words, he lies when he claims that I got the idea from him. IN FACT.... a very good case could be made that the truth is just the reverse.

This would be a good time and place for you to start apologizing to me, Jimbo, and retracting your lying claims that I in any way "ripped you off" or took any inspiration at all from your silly drawings.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 07, 2012, 05:12:32 AM
TK and all:

I used an Edison based black light bulb next to my fountain and....the fluid does glow, but not enough for my camera to pick-up like you can see with the naked eye.  My guess is that, the paint I used was cheap and already diluted, and I have it diluted quite a bit in the fountain.  I will purchase another bottle of the paint and add it to the mix and see what happens.

What I am hoping for is a nice effect that will show up on the cam.  I want folks to be able to clearly see the output from the fountain and also to create something cool to have running in my living room.  I will keep you all posted.  The cool thing is that on my video, I say it drains in about a minute but...in looking at the video timer from when it starts, to when it stops, it actually runs for 3.5 minutes.  I didn't realize that until I watched the video on youtube.  Not bad for using 16 oz bottles.

Bill

PS  Johnny, Alan, Jim or whatever, is still on ignore.  It works well.  Blocks pm's too.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Magluvin on September 07, 2012, 06:12:17 AM
Hey Bill

What color paint are you using?  I find that greens and yellows are the brightest.

Used to do my own posters for my room as a teen. Was a Bruce Lee fanatic. YinYangs, dragons, silly stuff. But my room came alive with the black lights. ;]

There is stuff called glow powder, that if exposed to sunlight for 2 min. it will continue to glow for up to around 16 hours.  Was doing experiments with seeing if ultra violet leds could make the powder glow enough to produce output from the solar panel. Since the powder persists in light output, I figured that what ever the solar panel could produce could be stored and periodically drive the leds to energize the powder layer on the face of the panel..  That was the idea. But I found that the powder would glow even brighter if the led was continuously shining. When the led was turned off, the brightness of the powder on that spot of area slowly settled to the nominal glow brightness that lasts for the hours claimed.

The materials were kept by my boss when I quit there, and havnt gotten to getting more yet.  But with the joule theif or even Lasersabers latest circuit, the idea may have some hope. The powder does help to increase the output of the panel as compared to leds alone. It also helps in having more consistent light coverage on the panels surface.


Ok off track here. ;]  If you look into it, contact the people to see if it will mix with water(if they know) also settling might be an issue. But I think that might be an issue for the paint also eventually.  I believe it was $20 an ounce for the powder and different colors have different output times. I think once you get it glowing and add ultraviolet leds, you can get unusual effects.

Like if the powdered water is glowing already and you have a UV led aimed close to a column of water, if the flow of the water moves, a trail of 'brighter water' will show as flowing in that direction. ;]

just ideas and info.  ;)

MaGs
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 07, 2012, 06:20:06 AM
Mags:

Thanks for the info.  Google Curtisium....that is what that powder sounds like.  I bought some 1 x 1 inch squares a few years ago and they would glow all night after being in the sun for only a few minutes.

I am using the high glow yellow but, as I mentioned, it was cheap glow in the black light paint from a hobby store and was probably diluted when I got it.  I only have about a shot glass worth of that paint in the 20 oz of water I am using in the fountain.

I would really like to try  just pure paint in it.  It is much thicker than water of course but, it still flows freely.  It would probably run a bit longer and then I know it would glow really well.

Link to Curtisium: http://www.batterystation.com/curtisium.htm (http://www.batterystation.com/curtisium.htm)

Mags, I love ideas, as you know.  The more the merrier.

Thanks,

Bill      PS  Was this what you meant?:http://glowinc.com/SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=3 (http://glowinc.com/SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=3)  It is not water based but the ultra green will glow 24 hours!!!  Not bad.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 07, 2012, 08:36:53 AM
Google Curtisium....
great stuff! i have used curtisium tiles in custom bathrooms. they are great and bill is right, just a bit of sunlight and they glow for almost 24 hours. i put the left overs in a buddy's ice fishing house and they provide more than enough light to see by in the dark. you need a brighter light to tie a hook or swivel on but the curtisium tiles are more than enough light to move around by without worry of tripping or stepping on something. anyways...
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 07, 2012, 08:39:51 AM
You are a blatant liar.
as are you...  ::) you should be ashamed of yourself...
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on September 07, 2012, 09:53:39 AM
tk, I like the way u r saying my design is based on ur work whem urz could never be perpetual

edited; as you said, your work was private. so how could my work come from any idea you had ? it couldn't have.
 I was wondering if that was what you were after. in posts to me, you asked how it works but you are among friends.
 and since working privately is acceptable, then I guess patents are acceptable also.
 of course, corporate charity works.
 
edited to add;   >>  IN FACT.... a very good case could be made that the truth is just the reverse. This would be a good time and place for you to start apologizing to me, <<
.  Re: Heron's Fountain (http://www.overunity.com/12640/herons-fountain/msg335055/#msg335055)« Reply #47
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on September 08, 2012, 12:04:42 AM
tk, I like the way u r saying my design is based on ur work whem urz could never be perpetual

edited; as you said, your work was private. so how could my work come from any idea you had ? it couldn't have.
No, you liar, I never said "my work was private" in this regard. I told you that I had two videos that were still private.... but I have TEN or more videos showing my modified Fountains of Heron that were PUBLICLY RELEASED on YOUTUBE, between two weeks and one week BEFORE YOUR FIRST POST on the topic on August 30. How come Bill was familiar with my PUBLIC VIDEOS before he ever started his thread on August 29th? Indeed, you could easily have seen them, and since your double chamber system is JUST LIKE the one in my "Folger's Instant Version" that I first showed PUBLICLY at least a WEEK BEFORE YOU even thought of it.... well, some people can do the math, I'm sure, even if you cannot. I'm not saying you DID copy my design... what I am saying is that I COULD NOT HAVE COPIED YOURS, because of the dates involved, and that YOU COULD HAVE COPIED MINE, again because of the dates. You can't do anything about the course of time, Jimbo, and it's not my fault that you don't pay attention to things like that as you should. It is your responsibility, no one else's.
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I was wondering if that was what you were after. in posts to me, you asked how it works but you are among friends.
That's a lie as well, I never asked you "how it works" at all. You have nothing to "teach" me, Mister "Cubic Inches of Surface Area".  Every lie that you tell, every claim you make without reference or proof, is being documented and will be brought out against you, one day, so my advice to you is to shut up with your continued lies and start retracting them, telling the truth, and apologising to me, Bill, and even Stefan for your abuse of his forum.
Quote
and since working privately is acceptable, then I guess patents are acceptable also.
 of course, corporate charity works.
 
edited to add;   >>  IN FACT.... a very good case could be made that the truth is just the reverse. This would be a good time and place for you to start apologizing to me, <<
.  Re: Heron's Fountain (http://www.overunity.com/12640/herons-fountain/msg335055/#msg335055)« Reply #47
Go ahead, try to patent anything you've discussed here. I'd love to see you spend all your money on another useless endeavor, enriching some lawyer who will only be laughing at you behind your back.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on September 08, 2012, 04:30:19 PM
No, you liar, I never said "my work was private" in this regard. I told you that I had two videos that were still private.... but I have TEN or more videos showing my modified Fountains of Heron that were PUBLICLY RELEASED on YOUTUBE, between two weeks and one week BEFORE YOUR FIRST POST on the topic on August 30. How come Bill was familiar with my PUBLIC VIDEOS before he ever started his thread on August 29th? Indeed, you could easily have seen them, and since your double chamber system is JUST LIKE the one in my "Folger's Instant Version" that I first showed PUBLICLY at least a WEEK BEFORE YOU even thought of it.... well, some people can do the math, I'm sure, even if you cannot. I'm not saying you DID copy my design... what I am saying is that I COULD NOT HAVE COPIED YOURS, because of the dates involved, and that YOU COULD HAVE COPIED MINE, again because of the dates. You can't do anything about the course of time, Jimbo, and it's not my fault that you don't pay attention to things like that as you should. It is your responsibility, no one else's. That's a lie as well, I never asked you "how it works" at all. You have nothing to "teach" me, Mister "Cubic Inches of Surface Area".  Every lie that you tell, every claim you make without reference or proof, is being documented and will be brought out against you, one day, so my advice to you is to shut up with your continued lies and start retracting them, telling the truth, and apologising to me, Bill, and even Stefan for your abuse of his forum.Go ahead, try to patent anything you've discussed here. I'd love to see you spend all your money on another useless endeavor, enriching some lawyer who will only be laughing at you behind your back.

  You know, I sent Stefan a link of the "Modified Heron's Fountain" thread and told him to read it. All he will see is you harassing me. And Bill allowed it. I told Stefan I have a right to be upset. Nothing gives you the right to take over any discussion I try to have regarding a design of mine that neither you nor Bill like. So if you don't like me, then why did you keep harassing me in a thread I started ? You say you're above that.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on September 08, 2012, 06:46:18 PM
What he will see, you liar, is that on August 30 you started a thread with a post saying that "when you are able" you will build a modified Heron's fountain and patent it. I said, in my own style, that you wouldn't. And you haven't built one, you've only trolled and lied about it.

Then you made your stupid "Cubic Inches of Surface Error" posts.... three times in two different posts, and then you tried to explain it away just as I said you would, by some "cubic inches per inch" rationalization that shows that you don't understand your topic. He will see that I, and someone else, called you on that bit of nonsense.... which you never corrected either.

From then on you are attacking me, with insults in every post, and your own off-topic paranoid irrelevancies.

A bit later on in that same thread is where you made your big mistake: You lied about me and my work, and you showed some nested inner chambers.... the same ones I showed on August 25th in a PUBLIC YouTube video, that you even linked. And in the comments on YT you accuse me of stealing your design and taking credit for it.... something that is impossible because of the dates of the video and the thread. You've made a serious and unfounded lying accusation about me and you've taken it to other people, off this forum. That's libel on your part, Jimbo, look it up.
http://www.overunity.com/12647/modified-herons-fountain/msg334534/#msg334534

You've even accused me of altering the YT video post dates, another impossibility and a weak paranoid attempt by you to save face, when you know the dates prove that you are a liar.

He will also see that you started an entire thread just for the purpose of flaming me, and Bill, and this forum generally, and that thread is full of personal insults and flames from you, in post after post, entirely unprovoked.

And every time you  mention me or my initials I am going to remind you that you are a liar, that I posted my work long before you even thought of it, and you have no understanding of any of it.

Cubic inches of surface area! That's not a typo Jimbo, it's a clear and shining reflection of your lack of understanding of your topic and the simple arithmetic involved in it.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 08, 2012, 07:05:32 PM

  You know, I sent Stefan a link of the "Modified Heron's Fountain" thread and told him to read it. All he will see is you harassing me. And Bill allowed it.

Wow, now you are insulting Stefan?  Since it is his forum and he understands the software used to create this forum that means he also knows who his Moderators are and what they can and cannot do.  He knows I am not a Moderator over here and yet you decide to tell him "Bill allowed it" implying that Bill (me) could do anything about flaming over here.  IF i could, Mr. cubic inches surface area (that would be Jim) would have been removed a long time ago.  See attached that shows I am not a Moderator here.  I am in the JT area but not here and Stefan knows that Jim yet you tell him he is wrong?  Priceless.

Bill   PS click on the photo to make it larger and easier to read.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on September 08, 2012, 09:54:33 PM
Pressure increases when flow decreases, isn't that Fluid Dynamics 101? What's all this "my invention" fuss about on an open source forum?

  broli,
 it is fluid dynamics 101. What Heron realized is that by using air pressure, the "heavier" pressure head performed work.
If the 2 pressure heads are connected, they will balance out and have the same height.
 By having both tubes in the same cannister but seperated, the heavier pressure head can over flow the barrier while pumping water up the smaller diameter tube. The pressure heads can also be called elevation heads where it is the effect gravity has on their weight. This means that a 1 1/2 inch diameter tube will be shorter than a 1/4 tube but for them to have equal effect on the air, they would need to have equal mass. This is what has been missed about Heron's Fountain for the last 2,000 years.
 It's pretty basic cause and effect but I am going to stop posting and focus on Bessler. I mean really, if I would have used a tube twice the size to pour water in, I'd probably have a perpetual Heron's Fountain right now.
 And in case you're wondering, a tube twice the size would hold about 3 times the water, that's PIR^2 for you.
 A link to my channel, I have 2 videos that show the 2 pressure heads respond the same to the compressed air in the container and is why they have different heights. And for those wondering, pressure heads respond by having the same height the same when they have the same forces (psi) acting on them.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Bessler2011/videos (http://www.youtube.com/user/Bessler2011/videos)

edited to add;  broli, my pressure heads have no velocity and you are probably the only person who understands this, good luck :~)
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on September 08, 2012, 11:03:14 PM
  broli,
 the secret is found in hydraulic theory. surface area times mass equals the potential of the two competing pressure heads.

broli, if a static (pressure) head has a surface area of 4 square inches and is  7 inchex high, wth rhe Heron's Effect, the opposing static head could have a surface area of 1 square inch, if so, it's elevation would be 28 incnes, this is only a difference of 21 inches in height with all things being equal.
 but it realy doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on September 09, 2012, 01:17:07 AM
   broli,
 I figure for ten bucks, I can take a shot in the dark. I've already staryed assembling it and prepping parts. the tubes will ne a little nit out of round if not a lot, pvc would work netter for testing purposes.
 I'm using a one inch and one half inch tube.
 Their surface areas are .7855 and .19637^2 inches. The ratio is 4:1.
 Tnis means for one inch of a working pressure head, the fountain head can be four inches high to have the equivalent potential. can upload pics tomorrow but will have tested my non mathematical test by then.
im on my fone  sorry
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 09, 2012, 03:14:14 AM
Johnny:

Please post your inane crap on you own topic areas that you started.  You have done enough damage over here to my topic.  I started this topic and you opened 3 very similar ones a few days later.  Please post your "ideas" over there.

There is no reason for you to be posting here.

Thank you,

Bill

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Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on September 09, 2012, 05:26:52 AM
bill
according to stefan, u can delete posts.
I did have a thread but you supported tk spamming it in that I had to prove to him.
 you allowed it.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 09, 2012, 08:55:12 AM
bill
according to stefan, u can delete posts.
I did have a thread but you supported tk spamming it in that I had to prove to him.
 you allowed it.

More lies.  Man....can you ever tell the truth?  Stefan KNOWS i can not delete posts.  He would have never told you that I could.
Lie #1.

I have never spammed any thread or topic here.

Lie #2.

I allowed it.  I am not a Moderator here so this point is incorrect.

Lie #3.

So, let's recap.  3 lies in a very short post of yours.  Do you even know what the truth is anymore?  This is so sad Mr. cubic inches of surface area Jimbo.  Do you really think you are helping this community by posting your lies and incorrect assumptions?

As I have asked very nicely, please do not continue to post here on my topic as it is obvious that you have nothing to add that is positive to the conversation.  Also, please stop saying things that you claim Stefan has said when it is obvious that he has never said them. Stop being a troll.  Get lost and find a new hobby somewhere else.

Also, thanks for attempting to slam all of my Youtube videos.....you are blocked now and can no longer do that.  Get a life man.


Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on September 09, 2012, 10:47:09 AM
  why would stefan tell me you can if he didn't give you permission ? anyone can pm stefan and ask him what permissions you have. it would explain a lot of things you deny.
 and everyone, tk might have 10 Videos but tney all add up to one build. another ab hammer.
 nah bill, I just need to quit posting because if I start discussing anything, tk will take it over. kind of tells me he has no life.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on September 09, 2012, 11:33:20 AM
  why would stefan tell me you can if he didn't give you permission ? anyone can pm stefan and ask him what permissions you have. it would explain a lot of things you deny.
 and everyone, tk might have 10 Videos but tney all add up to one build. another ab hammer.
 nah bill, I just need to quit posting because if I start discussing anything, tk will take it over. kind of tells me he has no life.
Jimpbo, how many times are you going to say goodbye, you lying, insulting, ignorant fool?

Actually, I have more than ten videos, I have over 300, each and every one of them showing my work and my work alone.

Concerning my work with Heron's Fountain, there are more than ten, but some of them aren't ever going to be available to you, Jimpbo.

I have the first one made with GREEN VITAMIN BOTTLES, I have the second one, the FOLGER'S INSTANT version with no internal chambers, I have the FOLGER'S INSTANT version _with_ the internal chambers you think you invented... but I showed them something like 10 days before you ever even mentioned Heron's Fountain.... and I have the FOLGER's INSTANT version with internal chambers AND floating riser/displacers (the TinselZED) and I have the FOLGER'S INSTANT version with a single ping pong chamber and external plumbing, and I have a FOLGER's INSTANT version with external plumbing and two ping pong chambers.

How many "builds" is that, then?  Eh, Mister Cubic Inches of Surface Area? HOW MANY? 

It's six, Mister Cubic Inches of Surface Area. Six different versions, all with distinctly different performance and all illustrating different points. And all of them WORK.
 
And in none of them do I ever mention anything about a "FOLGER's INSTANT EFFECT".

In short, Jimpbo, you are still LYING about me and my work; you still have not retracted the ridiculous, insane, paranoid lying accusations that I "stole" your idea... as if you ever actually had an idea.... and you are STILL mentioning me and my initials in your absurd flames. You cannot keep any of your "promises", you've said "goodbye" half a dozen times in the past week, you've shown nothing of interest and nothing that keeps your promises, and YOU ARE STILL FLAMING me with your lies and irrelevant posts. In fact you started the only thread on this forum that is explicitly for flaming me, Bill, and this forum itself. You make post after insane post with incoherent babbling, you misrepresent what other people say, and you simply lie whenever it suits you.

And you whine about it like a poor sick puppy dog wallowing in its own feces. But even worse than that... you apparently have no opposable thumbs, because your video devices look like they have been made by monkeys.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on September 10, 2012, 03:40:01 PM
Jimpbo, how many times are you going to say goodbye, you lying, insulting, ignorant fool?

Actually, I have more than ten videos, I have over 300, each and every one of them showing my work and my work alone.

Concerning my work with Heron's Fountain, there are more than ten, but some of them aren't ever going to be available to you, Jimpbo.

I have the first one made with GREEN VITAMIN BOTTLES, I have the second one, the FOLGER'S INSTANT version with no internal chambers, I have the FOLGER'S INSTANT version _with_ the internal chambers you think you invented... but I showed them something like 10 days before you ever even mentioned Heron's Fountain.... and I have the FOLGER's INSTANT version with internal chambers AND floating riser/displacers (the TinselZED) and I have the FOLGER'S INSTANT version with a single ping pong chamber and external plumbing, and I have a FOLGER's INSTANT version with external plumbing and two ping pong chambers.

How many "builds" is that, then?  Eh, Mister Cubic Inches of Surface Area? HOW MANY? 

It's six, Mister Cubic Inches of Surface Area. Six different versions, all with distinctly different performance and all illustrating different points. And all of them WORK.
 
And in none of them do I ever mention anything about a "FOLGER's INSTANT EFFECT".

In short, Jimpbo, you are still LYING about me and my work; you still have not retracted the ridiculous, insane, paranoid lying accusations that I "stole" your idea... as if you ever actually had an idea.... and you are STILL mentioning me and my initials in your absurd flames. You cannot keep any of your "promises", you've said "goodbye" half a dozen times in the past week, you've shown nothing of interest and nothing that keeps your promises, and YOU ARE STILL FLAMING me with your lies and irrelevant posts. In fact you started the only thread on this forum that is explicitly for flaming me, Bill, and this forum itself. You make post after insane post with incoherent babbling, you misrepresent what other people say, and you simply lie whenever it suits you.

And you whine about it like a poor sick puppy dog wallowing in its own feces. But even worse than that... you apparently have no opposable thumbs, because your video devices look like they have been made by monkeys.
Thought I would let you  know that I sent a message to Stefan and told him that you Bill and others decided to take over the forum since you knew he was on vacation. But you are like AB Hammer, he more than once told me it was all about being the alpha male and who was most agressive. You don't have anything else, if you did, you wouldn't be worried about me.
 
edited to add; considering that you're dwelling on the same thing tells me that's all you have. Besides, I'd be wasting my time to build something to try and impress you. But I do know who is worth it and much more, maybe you could read the Bible and learn a little something about being a person ?
 
edited to add; you know tk or who ever you are, what was it you said ? to do this to get even with someone like you ? That would be putting it to waste.   :D
 
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on September 10, 2012, 11:02:33 PM
You have libelled me, Jimpbo, by lying about me and my work.

The truth is evident for anyone who looks.

You have spammed and flamed and lied over and over, and not just about me, but about ABHammer, and Bill, and others as well, and the proof of this is preserved all over this forum, and even in your comment on my YT channel.

And you've said goodbye now a dozen times, probably... but you are still here, still mentioning my initials, still directing flames and lies at me, still polluting Bill's thread with your ignorant garbage.

Archimedes lived four thousand years ago ! Momentum is mv2 ! Cubic inches of surface area ! Folger's Instant Effect ! You think I stole your idea and take credit for it..... by looking into the future, apparently, since I posted public videos showing the "idea" a week or ten days before you even thought of it !

You'd be funny if you weren't so pathetic in your whining.

Dwelling on the same thing? All I have? You are indeed ignorant. Take a look at my YT channel and tell me if YOU and your nonsense are really "all I've got".
I've told you before: every time you mention me or my initials with your flaming, I will respond and point out your continuing series of lies, your stupid statements like those above, and the fact that you have made these serious and untrue accusations against me outside this forum.... which constitutes libel, and one day you will be brought to task for that.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on September 10, 2012, 11:40:40 PM
  tk,
 the only thing that is in evidence is your jealpusy. I have at least one very workable invention and you have a bunch of reitious videos.
 I'll make sure to feel bad when I'm making money and all you have  is I wish I would have taken tne time to learn something.
 That iz one thing posting an idea does, it protects MY patent rights and tbat's why I put up with crap from someone like you.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on September 11, 2012, 12:05:06 AM
You have libelled me, Jimpbo, by lying about me and my work.

The truth is evident for anyone who looks.

You have spammed and flamed and lied over and over, and not just about me, but about ABHammer, and Bill, and others as well, and the proof of this is preserved all over this forum, and even in your comment on my YT channel.

And you've said goodbye now a dozen times, probably... but you are still here, still mentioning my initials, still directing flames and lies at me, still polluting Bill's thread with your ignorant garbage.

Archimedes lived four thousand years ago ! Momentum is mv2 ! Cubic inches of surface area ! Folger's Instant Effect ! You think I stole your idea and take credit for it..... by looking into the future, apparently, since I posted public videos showing the "idea" a week or ten days before you even thought of it !

You'd be funny if you weren't so pathetic in your whining.

Dwelling on the same thing? All I have? You are indeed ignorant. Take a look at my YT channel and tell me if YOU and your nonsense are really "all I've got".
I've told you before: every time you mention me or my initials with your flaming, I will respond and point out your continuing series of lies, your stupid statements like those above, and the fact that you have made these serious and untrue accusations against me outside this forum.... which constitutes libel, and one day you will be brought to task for that.
I just wanted you to know Alan Bauldree that you can not take idea's off the internet and claim them as your own. Patents can be revoked.
Those silly electrical experiments you show Marconi did way back when and filed a patent for the radio. Tesla got it revoked. Learn something about history and you won't come off as such an idiot and no, you can not sue me. The 1st Amendment protects my free speech which you wish to deny me. I am allowed to have my opinion. I've heard yours and it was a waste, believe me, all you can do is insult someone to show you're the most agreesssive person in the forum and yet you have no idea's, none. It must be eating you alive.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on September 11, 2012, 01:01:06 AM
  alan
 wot was that u posted in muzeum of hoaxes ? u need an invention so u cn retire.
 u couldve worked with me but thats not ur style and y itz nt my prob.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on September 11, 2012, 01:39:43 AM
You are wrong in so many different ways it's comical. You are almost your own parody.

First of all, you think I am somebody named "alan".... and I am not. Every time you make that little mistake you are proving to everyone just how paranoid and deluded you actually are.

You clearly understand nothing at all about my wireless power transfer system, which is completely different from Tesla's capacitive transfer, high voltage systems.

You don't have a clue about what's in my Museum, you can only parrot what you think you hear. Why anybody would think that I would want to work with YOU, since you can't do anything except whine and complain, is beyond my understanding.
"Museum of Hoaxes"? You had better be careful there, Mister Cubic Inches of Surface Area. You are  once again lying by misquoting me and anybody who cares can check up on that one themselves.

"Learn something about history".... I laugh in your face, Mister Archimedes of 4000 years ago. You haven't a clue about what you think you are talking about. Tesla died in 1943, and the Supreme Court didn't overturn Marconi's patent until some months later, and did it just because they didn't want the USA to have to pay royalties to Marconi for the patents used during WW1, so they declared Tesla had priority.

And you IN FACT accused me of stealing your idea and taking credit for it, when the time sequence proves that there is no way that could have happened.  But here IS plenty of opportunity for you to have seen and used MY design. LOOK AT THE DATES of my videos and your postings, you liar. Your lying claims to that effect, made in the comment on my YT channel, and elsewhere like in your bogus false "complaints" to Stefan and YT, clearly constitute libel, a criminal offense in many jurisdictions.

You will be called to task for this.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on September 11, 2012, 02:13:52 AM
  alan,
 what  I like about you is the way you work the forum. ur friends think I should let u have an invention yet they wont come up with one for u.
 if u want money, get a job u cant because u think ur smarter than everybody. people tnat fall for ur crap deserve what tbey get and what history will show u mumped into my threads and started flaming me. itz all u got, like u said, u dont do math. anotner of ur many short comings, need ur diaper changed or do u need a bottle?
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on September 11, 2012, 02:29:17 AM
  alan,
 I'll make it simple for you. If you build one of my inventions and I hear about, the only thing tbat will happen is I will sue you. I have sole rights to my invention for a minimum of one year. KNOW IT.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on September 11, 2012, 02:41:49 AM
  alan,
 what  I like about you is the way you work the forum. ur friends think I should let u have an invention yet they wont come up with one for u.
 if u want money, get a job u cant because u think ur smarter than everybody. people tnat fall for ur crap deserve what tbey get and what history will show u mumped into my threads and started flaming me. itz all u got, like u said, u dont do math. anotner of ur many short comings, need ur diaper changed or do u need a bottle?

Preserved for posterity.

This idiot johnny874, Jimpbo,  thinks I am someone called "Alan". This idiot claims my "friends" whoever they are think he should let me have an "invention". This idiot makes these claims without a shred of evidence or support of any kind. This idiot thinks that people can't read and see for themselves the true course of events. This idiot is so bent he can't even type straight.
This idiot CLAIMS I said I don't do math, which is a total lie .... and this idiot continues to insult and flame without reason or justification.

I don't think I'm smarter than everybody, Mister 4000 year Archimedes Cubic Inches of Surface Area. I just know I'm a lot smarter than you. A lot more capable, a lot calmer, and I even know how to use a spellchecker so I don't look like an absolute idiot--like u do wen u post ur mumped up jealpusy and ur tnats and tbeys.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on September 11, 2012, 02:47:21 AM
  alan,
 I'll make it simple for you. If you build one of my inventions and I hear about, the only thing tbat will happen is I will sue you. I have sole rights to my invention for a minimum of one year. KNOW IT.

You have got nothing at all unless your Patent is actually GRANTED. And then you will have retroactive protection. But nobody can tell you anything, so go ahead and Sue Me for sticking some plastic jars together ten days before you did.
What an idiot you are. You've committed a criminal offense by libelling me in public with your lying accusations, and you are talking about suing me for building an invention you don't have, that you didn't make, and that will never result in any kind of patent at all.
Do you really want to meet up with me in a court of law? I don't think so; you have already given me solid and indisputable grounds for a libel action, and your "patent infringement" talk is just crazy, another of your paranoid delusions of grandeur.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on September 11, 2012, 03:17:55 AM
  I dont read your posts alan.
I think it is like Bill, discuss actual engineering ? he shouldnt ne surprised by it but hes been around u :~)
lmao !!!
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 11, 2012, 05:29:51 AM
  I dont read your posts alan.
I think it is like Bill, discuss actual engineering ? he shouldnt ne surprised by it but hes been around u :~)
lmao !!!

Again I ask....I demand that you stop spamming my topic with your garbage.  Stefan will be very interested in the lies that you have posted about my being a Moderator over here.  He never said that or anything like that.  He knows it is not true.  So, if I were you Mr. Cubic inch Surface Area engineer, (ha)  I would be looking for another forum to pester with your self-deluded spam.  Please let the grown-ups do some real work over here and go post your lies somewhere else.

Bill

PS  TK is NOT Alan...whomever that is.  Do you even know who you are?

PSS  I could easily copy and paste about 100 different posts from various folks telling you to stop your lies.  This goes back over
several years.  Different folks in various topic areas.  Why do you suppose this is?  Is everyone against you?  Or, is everyone sick of your lies?  You should really consider this...possibly it is because you lie so much.  Maybe you should stop doing that?
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on September 11, 2012, 01:36:03 PM
well, everything was fine in this part of the forum until u an tk showed up. all u'v said is b nice to him like ur his wife or something.
 thing is, I'm an adult. not sure why I  need someone to tell me how to go about MY hobby. y so seriouz ?
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 12, 2012, 01:49:17 AM
well, everything was fine in this part of the forum until u an tk showed up. all u'v said is b nice to him like ur his wife or something.
 thing is, I'm an adult. not sure why I  need someone to tell me how to go about MY hobby. y so seriouz ?

All of the folks I mentioned that have called you out for lying over the years are IN the gravity section of this forum so....you consider that to be "everything was fine in this part of the forum?"  Just because you keep changing your name does not erase all of the lies you made under all of the other ones.

Now quit spamming MY topic.  Go pollute your own topics.  Better yet, get lost.

Bill

PS  You think TK is a guy named Alan that used to be your business partner?  Have you not seen some of TK's videos where he actually speaks using his own voice?  Does he sound like this fellow Alan?  Did he use a voice changer?  This is what makes me think you are totally just flaming this topic because anyone would know the difference between TK and a guy named Alan.  You are just saying all of this crap to have something to post.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on September 12, 2012, 03:53:49 PM
All of the folks I mentioned that have called you out for lying over the years are IN the gravity section of this forum so....you consider that to be "everything was fine in this part of the forum?"  Just because you keep changing your name does not erase all of the lies you made under all of the other ones.

Now quit spamming MY topic.  Go pollute your own topics.  Better yet, get lost.

Bill

PS  You think TK is a guy named Alan that used to be your business partner?  Have you not seen some of TK's videos where he actually speaks using his own voice?  Does he sound like this fellow Alan?  Did he use a voice changer?  This is what makes me think you are totally just flaming this topic because anyone would know the difference between TK and a guy named Alan.  You are just saying all of this crap to have something to post.

  Talk about b.s. bill, me and Jim have never been friends. if he would've listened to you, he wouldn't have gotten banned. But instead of letting me teach him something like tinselkoala has tried doing, it shows you just can't help some people. Maybe one day he'll learn to listen to those of us who know what they're talking about but doubt it. If I were you, I wouldn't waste any more time on him, it was the best thing I ever did to just ignore him.

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Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on September 12, 2012, 04:32:38 PM
  Ya know Bill, it really doesn't matter any more. You and your goons have ran off anyone who was willing to discuss something. It's like AB Hammer siad, your guys' credibility is in discrediting other people and that's why you want me gone.
 As for Stefan banning me, it's because he doesn't believe overunity is possible or Bessler having built a working wheel. Not sure why he ahs this forum if he doesn't care to believe it's possible. That's a cold reality I know is true because he sent me a p.m. once letting me know that he didn't support the belief that it's possible and that is where I have ruined it for you guys. Ya'all should've left the door open, even just a smidgen but you didn't.
 
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Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 13, 2012, 07:22:20 AM
So, Stefan banned you because Stefan does not believe in O.U. and you had the secret and Stefan just could not handle that......is this what you just said?  Are you serious?  Good luck getting anyone to believe this latest lie of yours.

Please stop spamming my topic with your lies.

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 14, 2012, 05:50:11 AM
Stefan does not support O.U.?  He does not believe it is possible?  Really?

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on September 14, 2012, 06:30:10 PM
Stefan does not support O.U.?  He does not believe it is possible?  Really?

Bill

  Really.
 by the way Bill, would you like me to get my old phone records to PROVE I have talked to you and AB Hammer (Alan Bauldree) on the phone ?
Phone records are always saved wouldn't you know.
 It wouldn't be worth the effort though to prove you wrong. As for stefan, it doesn't matter to me if he doesn't believe overunity isn't possible, that's the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. still, if he finds the possibilty interesting of MAYBE, I'm okay with that.
 But I think anyone can see how unrelenting you are because you have something to prove.
 As for getting banned, I'm not the one who would lose Bill, it would be this forum because my work would not be allowed in here.
Of course, when Stefan bans me, that is something he will need to believe in, won't he ? Just as AB Hammer and tinselkoala do not believe I should be allowed to work on idea's in this forum. And that IS why working openly is problematic.
 
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Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on September 14, 2012, 08:10:36 PM
Saying goodbye again, Jimpbo?

I've told you that whenever you mention my name in your lying flaming comments I will be here to remind you that you have LIBELLED ME IN PUBLIC with your lying accusations and your false claims. You will apologise to me and withdraw, in public, those lies and libels. You cannot support your claim with any evidence and in fact the EVIDENCE indicates that you probably saw my videos before you even thought of your "idea".
Your Kentucky judge will laugh in your face when he sees this clear libellous claim and accusation from you:



Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on September 14, 2012, 08:31:16 PM
 considering ur anonymous, it's not possible to slander you. Everyone knows who I am, it makes a difference.

edited to add; Heron's fountain is your invention ? Glad to know that.
 btw, if I have only one thing that works, Stefan allowing people like u and bill to slander people would make him look bad in Germany. Of course, everyone knows Bessler really was a fraud, right ?
 I guess that's y u say I'm a fraud tk. and cant forget bill
 y u can have this forum, u dont support Bessler's work.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on September 14, 2012, 09:04:28 PM
tk,
 y not u and bill post an idea and discuss it with other people, your own original mechanical idea. if u 2 cant, then I guess u dont support overunity using gravity.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 15, 2012, 02:00:18 AM
considering ur anonymous, it's not possible to slander you.   

Hey genius, it is not possible for ANYONE to slander ANYONE using a print medium such as a forum.

You obviously do not understand the gravity of the situation. (Pun intended)

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 15, 2012, 02:14:57 AM
  By the way, am fairly certain I know how to make it perpetual.
 could tell someone after they build one and uncerstands why it works. it might actually be easier to build.
 but there is that nagging question of why bother patenting and getting xome reimbursement for the years of work I put into learning this stuff.

So Jim wants money for his perpetual design that he can't build?   I start this topic and yet a few days later, Jim "claims" he has been working on this design for years?  I believe a guy named Heron designed it.  My replication works, you can't even build yours yet you claim I am copying you?

Please stop spamming my topic with your lies.

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on September 15, 2012, 02:22:20 AM
tk,
 y not u and bill post an idea and discuss it with other people, your own original mechanical idea. if u 2 cant, then I guess u dont support overunity using gravity.

Whether or not I post and discuss my own original mechanical ideas is irrelevant to whether or not I "support overunity using gravity".   So you are wrong twice in two sentences, because I do post plenty of my own work, unlike you, Jimpbo, and I don't support OU using gravity _anyway_.

Yes, you are a fraud, Jimpbo, because you talk and talk and talk about what you are _going_ to do, but all you've managed actually to do is to post flame after flame, insult and lie, and two tiny videos showing your failed explanations of something you saw in MY VIDEO which was published ten days before your silly misleading pressurised dual chamber video.

Quote
edited to add; Heron's fountain is your invention ? Glad to know that.


More lies, Jimpbo?  Keep digging. Here you are implying that I said Heron's Fountain is "my invention". Nowhere ever have I said or implied that Heron's Fountain is "my invention". I even give proper credit to MrWayne for the "zed" idea. My application of the Zed using multiple chambers to Heron's fountain IS my idea, though, and the dates of the videos and the dates of your comments prove that I could not have "ripped you off" as your libellous claim goes.

You really need to stop all these lies and misrepresentations, Jimbo, or your Kentucky judge is gonna really throw the book at you. Every single lie you tell about me is a separate count, you know.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 15, 2012, 02:32:07 AM

  Really.
 by the way Bill, would you like me to get my old phone records to PROVE I have talked to you and AB Hammer (Alan Bauldree) on the phone ?
Phone records are always saved wouldn't you know.
 It wouldn't be worth the effort though to prove you wrong. As for stefan, it doesn't matter to me if he doesn't believe overunity isn't possible, that's the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. still, if he finds the possibilty interesting of MAYBE, I'm okay with that.
 But I think anyone can see how unrelenting you are because you have something to prove.
 As for getting banned, I'm not the one who would lose Bill, it would be this forum because my work would not be allowed in here.
Of course, when Stefan bans me, that is something he will need to believe in, won't he ? Just as AB Hammer and tinselkoala do not believe I should be allowed to work on idea's in this forum. And that IS why working openly is problematic.
 
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So now I have talked to you on the phone?  Are you serious?  Is this where you claim I have slandered you?  I would love to see these records Jim.  Produce them.  You can't?  Why?  Oh, another lie...I get it.  Poor Bessler probably turns over in his grave every time you mention his name.  Did you speak to him on the phone also?

Holy crap!

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: AB Hammer on September 15, 2012, 03:59:49 AM
So now I have talked to you on the phone?  Are you serious?  Is this where you claim I have slandered you?  I would love to see these records Jim.  Produce them.  You can't?  Why?  Oh, another lie...I get it.  Poor Bessler probably turns over in his grave every time you mention his name.  Did you speak to him on the phone also?

Holy crap!

Bill
Greetings Bill
 

 Back in the older days when we first talked. Is the time Jim Lindguard is  talking about. Now days I find it more interesting talking to a rock instead of Jim. At least I don't have to keep an eye on the rock.  LOL
 

P.S. some people can't tell the difference between a delusion and the truth.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on October 17, 2012, 09:09:02 PM
  here's a drawing of my version of Herons Fountain.
 Because the fill tube has a larger diameter, it can over fill a reservoir beneath it into another reservoir where the discharge tube is located. This barrier would prevent the 2 static heads from balancing themselves which they would do.
 If anyone bothers to build Heron's fountain, you'll find out that the discharge tube as in the video is a smaller static head. And it's the mass of the static head that generates the air pressure for pumping out the reservoir where the outlet tube is located.
 The top view is looking straight down at it. should give everyone a decent idea of how a simple pmm might be built.

   @All,
 When I posted this idea, except for tinselkoala posting a link to his video, no comments were made.
Nobody said this was their idea and that they had thought of it.
 After 2 builds demonstrating that it has potential, then it became soemone else's idea. Why ?
 Links to the 2 videos which were ignored by anyone claiming this is their idea. The links were posted in the thread Modified heron's Fountain.
the first video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF6lmb1oLEo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF6lmb1oLEo)
the second video and notice the air leak (bubbles)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7V-cH7ytQI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7V-cH7ytQI)
 
 by the way all, as this is impossible, so to is Bessler's wheel. Actually, they're not but and understanding of engineering is necessary.
 
 And thanks to Stefan Hartmann for allowing me to defend myself against my accusers, it is very much appreciated.
If anyone reads what I posted, if anyone wished to try it. Nobody did. I was willing to work with pirate88719, tinselkoala and magluvin but unfortunately I don't know anything they care to hear about. BTW, gadgetmall is afreindly with them as well.
 Still, they can show where in my post or any post after that where they claimed that what I posted was their design. This is something the thread will show they ignored.
 
edited to correct spelling
 
edited to add;
 what makes my concept or design different is that it considers perpetuallity. With the first video, if the tall, narrow tube were cut off beneath the water line, then the water could flow to the shorter, larger diameter tube which might have allowed for a conitinuous flow.
 With the second video, it was mostly to confirm that the 2 pressure heads would act independently of each other with the shorter, larger diameter tube performing the work.
 If you notice one thing I did not do that Heron did was that I did not have water in the area the water was to be pumped from. I only filled the shorter, larger diameter tube. So with the first video, all water flowed through only one tube and rose to a height higher than the water level of the tube pumping it.
 If I had water in the area to be pumped, then less air would have been displaced allowing for a greater internal air presure and most liekly more water being pumped with less water being inserted into the Heron's Fountain type device.
 That's engineering folks  ;) 
 
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on October 17, 2012, 09:39:27 PM
You left something out of your "explanation" there, Johnny Jimpbo.

The two videos that Jimpbo Johnny has linked to above were posted to You Tube on SEPTEMBER 6 and SEPTEMBER 4.


My videos showing my use of the multiple internal chambers were published on YouTube  on AUGUST 24 and AUGUST 25.

That is right.... ELEVEN FULL DAYS, a week and a half AFTER I published my videos, Johnny Jimpbo comes up with his "idea".


Not only that, but Jimpbo's videos don't even show what he thinks they show at all.

Where is Jimpbo's perpetual Heron's Fountain? In his dreams only. People -- and his illnesses -- are preventing him from building it.

Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on October 18, 2012, 02:24:34 AM
  what I posted would work with a square box. But for 2 people who claim to know engineering don't seem to be able to discuss.
 And what needs to be remembered is that when I posted my idea, it was basically ignored.
 This would make any reasonable person wonder.
 And AB Hammer, despite yor 26 years of working with your hands, I haven't seen where you've taken the time to build a wheel yet, sorry but discs aren't wheels. Especially when they're only about 10 inches in diameter.
 As for Bessler, it's been said that he built many wheels but only 4 were made known.
 Apparently his wheels are not so easy to build.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: AB Hammer on October 18, 2012, 02:59:24 AM
  what I posted would work with a square box. But for 2 people who claim to know engineering don't seem to be able to discuss.
 And what needs to be remembered is that when I posted my idea, it was basically ignored.
 This would make any reasonable person wonder.
 And AB Hammer, despite yor 26 years of working with your hands, I haven't seen where you've taken the time to build a wheel yet, sorry but discs aren't wheels. Especially when they're only about 10 inches in diameter.
 As for Bessler, it's been said that he built many wheels but only 4 were made known.
 Apparently his wheels are not so easy to build.
Bessler didn't show just anybody the inside of his wheels either. I am holding back until the election is done.
Alan
PS I build wheels as large as needed, and my 3 to 4 feet are common.  ;)
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 18, 2012, 03:15:20 AM
Johnny "Captain Oblivious" Jimbo:

Please do not pollute this topic with more of your lies and delusions.  I almost spat out my drink when I read your post above where it says "edited for spelling".  HA!  Well Jimbo, you missed quite a few errors there bud.  Perhaps you should read a book on the English language and then edit once again?  Then please read at least one engineering book and after that, please read a self-help book on how to stop compulsive lying.

Then maybe you can post here.  Until then....post your crap in your own topics of which you have maybe 1,000 already....and nothing built yet. (sigh)

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Djoko on October 18, 2012, 03:19:38 AM
Hai All,

I just found this thread today, last year I built this fountain and working.
Attached is my sketch.
And hereunder is the video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57h2HMJcieg

Regards
Djoko
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Djoko on October 18, 2012, 04:23:04 AM
It is possible to put this fountai as a usable continuous pump. Just add 2 check valve and one 3-way valve.
Here is my animation on this concept.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cHHD2eSRXU

Djoko
 
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on October 18, 2012, 02:18:06 PM
  uh ,  bill, have built some of what I posted.
have sent links to Stefan. and wben I started a thread to discuss the design I posted which you put me on ignore form, couldn't get your friend tinselkoala to leave me alone.
 just as the time I spent working on Bessler's wheel, was only harassed by ab hammer. I find it ineresting how you have no problem with them harassing me. yet if I ask them to discuss engineering, you'll tell me to be nice to them.
 I guess someone who has no schooling in enbineering would be bothered by somebody who has.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 19, 2012, 01:56:27 AM
   
 

I guess someone who has no schooling in enbineering would be bothered by somebody who has.


I know of no one who has schooling in enbineering.  I don't even know what that word is.

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 03, 2012, 03:58:06 PM
This past weekend I constructed a Heron's Fountain according to the attached diagram.  I will post a video of it in operation when I get a chance.  This is a really cool project and cost me nothing to build.  It is amazing to see the water lifted higher than the starting point.  More later...

Bill

Instructions I used are here: http://blog.makezine.com/2008/06/08/build-herons-fountain-1/ (http://blog.makezine.com/2008/06/08/build-herons-fountain-1/)  I modified a few things to fit the materials I had laying about.

 Just wondering, is the attached picture your design ? They seem to be the same thing except you didn't leave space between the different sections so people could see how they work independently.
 Of course, this episode of Numb3rs aired Nov. 16th, 2007. The only reason I mention this is the numerous times you and tinselkoala claimed I stole your ideas.
 I would have to believe an idea shown on syndicated television is not your original idea nor tinselkoal's as the 2 of you have claimed.
 
season 4 or no. 69
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Numb3rs_episodes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Numb3rs_episodes)
a link to the program on youtube, around the 10 minute mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWozC8XM2Do (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWozC8XM2Do)
 
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on December 03, 2012, 05:12:45 PM
Still lying about this, I see, Jimpbo.
Where did I claim that you stole my ideas? YOU claimed that I stole YOURS, and I pointed out that the timeline proves that was impossible, and I pointed out that the timeline of the events and postings allowed YOU to see my and Bill's work and you _could have_ used those ideas, whereas I _could not_ have used your LATER posted ideas. Get your facts straight, you liar.
And the extra chamber and plumbing that I used are nowhere to be found in the videos you linked above; they are an idea I developed from testing Mister Wayne's claims. Nothing to do with YOU, or your videos, or even the traditional Heron's Fountain. And both Bill and I gave full credit for the original design from Make magazine that we used in our initial constructions. Once again, as is typical for you, you lie and distort the facts for no reason other than trolling. I have told you that everytime you mention me or my initials I will remind you and everyone else what a liar you are.

Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 04, 2012, 10:12:45 PM
Still lying about this, I see, Jimpbo.
Where did I claim that you stole my ideas? YOU claimed that I stole YOURS, and I pointed out that the timeline proves that was impossible, and I pointed out that the timeline of the events and postings allowed YOU to see my and Bill's work and you _could have_ used those ideas, whereas I _could not_ have used your LATER posted ideas. Get your facts straight, you liar.
And the extra chamber and plumbing that I used are nowhere to be found in the videos you linked above; they are an idea I developed from testing Mister Wayne's claims. Nothing to do with YOU, or your videos, or even the traditional Heron's Fountain. And both Bill and I gave full credit for the original design from Make magazine that we used in our initial constructions. Once again, as is typical for you, you lie and distort the facts for no reason other than trolling. I have told you that everytime you mention me or my initials I will remind you and everyone else what a liar you are.

   Alan,
 Watch episode numer 69 of Numb3rs. You claim that is your idea that I am stealing from. 2007 I think is before 2012.
Only you would miss that. Why I believe you are ab hammer. only he would repeat he originated an idea when it has been shown on television years earlier. you my friend are a fraud and a liar.
 
edited to state the obvious Alan, how do you think I know about Numb3rs having YOUR Heron's fountain on their show ?
I must have seen it on television. Of course, you have always attacked me saying anyone that uses math can't be credible. and Numb3rs uses what as a part of it's plot ? Math. Still, doubt you will get it, after all, this forum is all you have so I will let you have it.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on December 05, 2012, 03:44:32 PM
 
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Alan,
 Watch episode numer 69 of Numb3rs. You claim that is your idea that I am stealing from. 2007 I think is before 2012.
Only you would miss that. Why I believe you are ab hammer. only he would repeat he originated an idea when it has been shown on television years earlier. you my friend are a fraud and a liar.
 

In the first place, Jimpbo, I am not named Alan, or Allen, or anything like that, so you can give up your paranoid delusion about that right now.
In the second place, Jimpbo, that television show does NOT show a second concentric inner chamber with a floating riser inside it in the base of their Heron's Fountain, does it? No, of course it does not, it shows an ordinary, and not too well constructed, plain old HERON's FOUNTAIN. There are none of the modifications I made in that old TV episode.... so what are you claiming is shown there that "only abhammer would repeat he originated"? You are deluded.
And just how does their showing of Heron's ancient invention make me a fraud and a liar? It doesn't, you fool. Neither I nor Bill ever claimed to have "invented' HERON's FOUNTAIN (they don't even get his name right in the video) as you seem to think.  You cannot support your accusation with FACTS, but I can show the world just where you lie and troll and spout your whining ridiculous delusions.
You're the liar Jimpo and you are caught in your own web of lies. First you accuse me of "ripping YOU off", then you accuse me of ripping the same thing off from an old television show. I laugh in your face.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 05, 2012, 06:14:47 PM

In the first place, Jimpbo, I am not named Alan, or Allen, or anything like that, so you can give up your paranoid delusion about that right now.
In the second place, Jimpbo, that television show does NOT show a second concentric inner chamber with a floating riser inside it in the base of their Heron's Fountain, does it? No, of course it does not, it shows an ordinary, and not too well constructed, plain old HERON's FOUNTAIN. There are none of the modifications I made in that old TV episode.... so what are you claiming is shown there that "only abhammer would repeat he originated"? You are deluded.
And just how does their showing of Heron's ancient invention make me a fraud and a liar? It doesn't, you fool. Neither I nor Bill ever claimed to have "invented' HERON's FOUNTAIN (they don't even get his name right in the video) as you seem to think.  You cannot support your accusation with FACTS, but I can show the world just where you lie and troll and spout your whining ridiculous delusions.
You're the liar Jimpo and you are caught in your own web of lies. First you accuse me of "ripping YOU off", then you accuse me of ripping the same thing off from an old television show. I laugh in your face.
  You are sad Alan. And this is what you claim is your idea, my post reposted;
Re: Heron's Fountain (http://www.overunity.com/12640/herons-fountain/msg334273/#msg334273)« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2012, 01:01:37 PM »Quote (http://www.overunity.com/12640/herons-fountain/15/post/quote/334273/last_msg/347201/)
  here's a drawing of my version of Herons Fountain.
 Because the fill tube has a larger diameter, it can over fill a reservoir beneath it into another reservoir where the discharge tube is located. This barrier would prevent the 2 static heads from balancing themselves which they would do.
 If anyone bothers to build Heron's fountain, you'll find out that the discharge tube as in the video is a smaller static head. And it's the mass of the static head that generates the air pressure for pumping out the reservoir where the outlet tube is located.
 The top view is looking straight down at it. should give everyone a decent idea of how a simple pmm might be built. 
end repost
 Also, the Travis effect can not possibly work. by using air to compress water (a fluid), it may increase pressure in a smaller volume chamber, but this is at the expense of it's rate of flow. Because of the restriction placed on the flow of the fluid moving into a smaller chamber, it moves slower. The excess water in the original area creates resistence as demonstrated in the link to a video I made demonstrating that specific behavior. And the picture I am reposting has nothing in common with your "original" idea. You are as much a fraud as wayne travis. His ZED is not overunity as he has repeatedly claimed. There was a time in this forum when frauds were called out and hoaxes were ridiculed but you changed that. And why is it I believe you are Alan Bauldree ? It is reaaly simple Alan, if you were not AB Hammer aka Alan Bauldree, then when I tried working with you and pirate88719, you would not have made the brazen claim that by me posting an original idea I am trying to rip you off. Instead, most people would have said wow, an opportunity to maybe make a ton of cash if what I know is right. legit people don't walk away from idea's that might be worth money. And since you know I will not work with AB Hammer because he is a private builder and refuses to share information with other people, the only way you could hope to profit from my  work is claiming I am ripping you off. Like AB Hammer siad, he has a big  meaning he is very aggressive and will take what he wants. You are so much like him in that way it is hard to believe you are not him. @All, this video is the basic ZED idea. By applying pressure, fluid rises. If you notice, I am using 1 pound of weights to try to pump 1 pound of water. It doesn't pump it very well does it ? What mrwayne is trying to over come. I don't see any extra work being done here. But by pumping the water differently, it's potential becomes something that can be worked with as shown in the second video. I guess this is where my having gone to school for Propulsion Engineering has helped me to understand the actual engineering instead of what I would wish to believe it is.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN5KQdO3_lA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN5KQdO3_lA) Moving water without restriction allows it to flow much better and allows more of the force creating the work to be converted into work.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4ktQDJW53g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4ktQDJW53g)
 
edited to add, thiss is kind of funny because tk thinks mrwayne isn't legit, but then ab hammer and tk have made the same claims about me.
>>I've claimed that Wayne is a liar: and every time he refers to his "Patent" he proves me right.
I've "claimed" that he does not now have nor ever has had a 20 kW unit. Actually that isn't a claim at all, it is a demand for Wayne to prove his claims. I'm not the one making extraordinary claims here, fucking ignorant moron Webby. <<
reply #3366> http://www.overunity.com/10596/hydro-differential-pressure-exchange-over-unity-system/msg346468/#msg346468 (http://www.overunity.com/10596/hydro-differential-pressure-exchange-over-unity-system/msg346468/#msg346468)
 
edited to add; since I will be starting my build after Christmas, will take a much needed break. My medical situation is becoming very manageable which is what will allow me to build again.
 
edited to add; maybe one day Alan aka tk will leave people alone who are working on idea's but he is supported by pirate88719 who happens to be a moderator.
As for myself, will take my time in building my version of Bessler's wheel. A router table and a table saw will cost over $300.00. Some people unlike tk are willing to spend money to pursue their idea's, the reason for this forum. And if you read the post of his I refered to, his language useage should not be allowed. It is something I will bring to Stefan's attention. Being abusive towards forum members is something that should not be tolerated. overunity as it is is ridiculed per se and people like tk only add to the negative stereo type.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on December 05, 2012, 10:39:41 PM
The dates prove you wrong Jimpbo, as anyone with a calendar can see for themselves. What is the matter with you, can you not READ or something? Or are you still trying to accuse me of "changing the dates" on my uploaded YT videos? I posted my first Heron's Fountain video when? LOOK IT UP, and then show me where anyone posted the nested chamber idea BEFORE I did... not after, as you keep doing.
Quote
You are sad Alan. And this is what you claim is your idea, my post reposted;
Re: Heron's Fountain (http://www.overunity.com/12640/herons-fountain/msg334273/#msg334273)« Reply #25 on: [glow=red, 2,300]August 31, 2012, 01:01:37 PM [/glow]»Quote (http://www.overunity.com/12640/herons-fountain/15/post/quote/334273/last_msg/347201/)
  here's a drawing of my version of Herons Fountain.

Look at the dates of my YT videos, and explain how I could have "ripped you off" over a WEEK before you ever started posting anything like what you are claiming now. You can't, because you are simply lying... yet again.
MY VIDEO WAS POSTED ON AUGUST 24... .and you are saying that I ripped off something that you posted on August 31. Not only that but I have even Earlier Videos uploaded to YT showing the same thing, which I have not yet made public on this forum ... but their dates are on record and there is NO WAY that they can be changed, once a video is uploaded to YT.


Quote
And if you read the post of his I refered to, his language useage should not be allowed. It is something I will bring to Stefan's attention.


And if you Actually READ the post I referred to you will see that I am only REPEATING where Webby called ME an "IGNORANT FUCKING MORON". SO people can use that kind of language against me, falsely, but I cannot say it back to them? That is typical of people who cannot refute me with facts so they descend into the kind of garbage that YOU seem to understand best.

Here you go again: proof that you libelled me off-site and that you lie when you do so and when you make your claims above.
ANYONE can look at my YT videos, the dates that they were uploaded to YT, and see for themselves that you are a whining liar who blames others for your failures to produce.

And every time you call me "alan" you are proving, yet again, that you are a deluded idiot who cares nothing for facts and truth. YOU CANNOT PROVIDE ANY EVIDENCE for your literally insane belief that I am "alan".

And as far as "Leaving you alone" goes.... you and others will note that I am ONLY RESPONDING TO YOUR INSANE ALLEGATIONS about me, every time I have posted in any of your threads since you began your insane campaign against me. You cannot prove your claims, so you attack me while accusing me of attacking you. You are pathetic. Why don't you do what you have promised so many times to do: go away and play somewhere else.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 06, 2012, 03:41:15 AM
   @All,
  One of the last things he mentions is that I libeled him off site. On besslerwheel.com in a thread I started called Eplanations as I did in this forum, in my last or 2nd to last post I mentioned where ab hammer was nice enough to offer to teach my Norwegian father engineering. Without Alan's help, he did manage to become the manager of a business responsible for the repair of boilers, turbines, genertors etc. among other things.
 I think creating an id to decieve everyone is low. and with me, as Alan will tell you, he is good at getting people banned.

Jim
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 06, 2012, 04:21:23 AM
   @All,
  One of the last things he mentions is that I libeled him off site. On besslerwheel.com in a thread I started called Eplanations as I did in this forum, in my last or 2nd to last post I mentioned where ab hammer was nice enough to offer to teach my Norwegian father engineering. Without Alan's help, he did manage to become the manager of a business responsible for the repair of boilers, turbines, genertors etc. among other things.
 I think creating an id to decieve everyone is low. and with me, as Alan will tell you, he is good at getting people banned.

Jim

Please stop messing up my topic with your lies and mad ravings Jim.  I have asked you, and warned you to stop doing so many times now.  You have totally ruined this topic for folks coming here to learn about Heron's Fountain.  I guess that was your purpose from the start.  You can't and don't build anything so you have to try to ruin it for those of us that do.  My guess is this is why you were banned from the Bessler site as well.  I know you were banned from this site at least 3 different times and it was not because you built anything, it was because you were harassing those that do actually build things.

I guess I will ask Stefan to place you on Moderation....again.  I have no idea what your problem is but I know I don't want to be subject to your lies and accusations any more.  Please try to get some professional help.

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 06, 2012, 01:21:39 PM
Please stop messing up my topic with your lies and mad ravings Jim.  I have asked you, and warned you to stop doing so many times now.  You have totally ruined this topic for folks coming here to learn about Heron's Fountain.  I guess that was your purpose from the start.  You can't and don't build anything so you have to try to ruin it for those of us that do.  My guess is this is why you were banned from the Bessler site as well.  I know you were banned from this site at least 3 different times and it was not because you built anything, it was because you were harassing those that do actually build things.

I guess I will ask Stefan to place you on Moderation....again.  I have no idea what your problem is but I know I don't want to be subject to your lies and accusations any more.  Please try to get some professional help.

Bill

  Bill,
 Unlike you and Alan, I do build and I build wheels. Anyone can see where on the 2nd page I tried working with you and tk who is not supposed to be Alan. It is there for anyone to see. Anyway, Alan saying he increased the height of the discharge static head or fountain to increase the pressure in the chamber has nothing to do with the idea posted as you both claim.
 Decreasing the height of the inlet tube has only been mentioned by myself yet you say it is clear that Alan demonstrated that in his video.
 All you guys showed was a basic Heron's Fountain and at no time addressed the engineering that allowed for the fountain to be observed. It could be because nether one of you have any schooling in engineering.
 What is it you say, the 2 of you usually don't post in here but now that you are here, you two claim to be the only people qualified to understand engineering. I disagree with you.
 One example is the language Alan uses when harassing Webby1. I think you should be moderating that but you aren't. Interesting. Why not ? Why not tell Webby1 to be nice to Alan as Alan knows what he is talking about ?
 And unlike Alan, I served in the U.S> Military because I happen to believe freedom of speech is a good thing even if some people choose to abuse their right to it. Of course, neither of you ever served in the U.S. Military.
 And I think it funny you and Alan having nothing better to do than to harass a disabled Vet, how patriotic.

                                                                                                                                           Jim

@all, here is the link to the thread where tinselkoala says I libeled him. Please note I mentioned AB Hammer and not tinselkoala. Yet pirate88719 claims he knows they are 2 different people. I think that's taking their being friendlies to a whole new level. The post I made is dated December 4th @ 8:41 pm.

http://besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5518 (http://besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5518)

edited to add; @All, I do have the build I will be doing and really don't have much to discuss since discussing a build in progress isn't really, not sure, but with the details it is necessary tp understand, not sure if everyone would find them interesting.
 Until then...
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 07, 2012, 08:08:14 AM
  Bill,
 Unlike you and Alan, I do build and I build wheels. Anyone can see where on the 2nd page I tried working with you and tk who is not supposed to be Alan. It is there for anyone to see. Anyway, Alan saying he increased the height of the discharge static head or fountain to increase the pressure in the chamber has nothing to do with the idea posted as you both claim.
 Decreasing the height of the inlet tube has only been mentioned by myself yet you say it is clear that Alan demonstrated that in his video.
 All you guys showed was a basic Heron's Fountain and at no time addressed the engineering that allowed for the fountain to be observed. It could be because nether one of you have any schooling in engineering.
 What is it you say, the 2 of you usually don't post in here but now that you are here, you two claim to be the only people qualified to understand engineering. I disagree with you.
 One example is the language Alan uses when harassing Webby1. I think you should be moderating that but you aren't. Interesting. Why not ? Why not tell Webby1 to be nice to Alan as Alan knows what he is talking about ?
 And unlike Alan, I served in the U.S> Military because I happen to believe freedom of speech is a good thing even if some people choose to abuse their right to it. Of course, neither of you ever served in the U.S. Military.
 And I think it funny you and Alan having nothing better to do than to harass a disabled Vet, how patriotic.

                                                                                                                                           Jim

@all, here is the link to the thread where tinselkoala says I libeled him. Please note I mentioned AB Hammer and not tinselkoala. Yet pirate88719 claims he knows they are 2 different people. I think that's taking their being friendlies to a whole new level. The post I made is dated December 4th @ 8:41 pm.

http://besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5518 (http://besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5518)

edited to add; @All, I do have the build I will be doing and really don't have much to discuss since discussing a build in progress isn't really, not sure, but with the details it is necessary tp understand, not sure if everyone would find them interesting.
 Until then...

Captain Oblivious:

So, I guess your answer is that you will continue to mess up my topic with you nonsensical rantings?
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on December 07, 2012, 08:32:54 AM
"All".... as anyone can see, the place where johnny the whiner libelled me by his false accusation is ON MY YOUTUBE COMMENTS, as posted in the image above that I keep posting to show exactly where he made his libellous claim. I don't know anything about that silly besslerwheel site, I don't look in there and I certainly haven't posted there.

And "ALL"...... my YouTube videos showing the multiple inner chambers and the floating riser: the TinselZED, were posted to YouTube a week or so before Johnny Whiner's little sketch appeared above. The dates are there for anyone to check and nobody can alter the date of a YT upload.

And furthermore:..... the "language" that I used "against" webby was an exact quote from WEBBY HIMSELF who called me that exact thing before I used it back at him.

Just try to get your facts straight for once, Johnny Whiner.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 07, 2012, 01:25:43 PM
"All".... as anyone can see, the place where johnny the whiner libelled me by his false accusation is ON MY YOUTUBE COMMENTS, as posted in the image above that I keep posting to show exactly where he made his libellous claim. I don't know anything about that silly besslerwheel site, I don't look in there and I certainly haven't posted there.

And "ALL"...... my YouTube videos showing the multiple inner chambers and the floating riser: the TinselZED, were posted to YouTube a week or so before Johnny Whiner's little sketch appeared above. The dates are there for anyone to check and nobody can alter the date of a YT upload.

And furthermore:..... the "language" that I used "against" webby was an exact quote from WEBBY HIMSELF who called me that exact thing before I used it back at him.

Just try to get your facts straight for once, Johnny Whiner.

  You know Alan, you and Bill are sad and pathetic. As I told Stefan, I'll keep him updated on my build, but as the two of you continue to show is that you have nothing.

                                                                                                                             Bye
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on December 07, 2012, 03:11:07 PM
Uploaded to YouTube on August 21, 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bINdCrvZPU4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bINdCrvZPU4)

Uploaded to YouTube on August 25, 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf15cvDVix0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf15cvDVix0)

Is that what "NOTHING" looks like?

Or does it look like this:

The first post in Johnny-come-lately's "modified heron's fountain" thread, made on August 30, 2012:
  Will build when I am able a modified heron's Fountain and will keep the patent rights.
 I could use the money. After all, coworkers along with my family have done what they can to keep me from having a family.
Not everyone one in my family is that messed up thankfully but have missed the best part of life because of what other people think.
 And when they say turn disability into ability, there always seems to be some jealous person around.


And here is the post, in Bill's thread here, where Johnny-come-lately's little drawing above first appeared, on August 31, 2012.
  here's a drawing of my version of Herons Fountain.
 Because the fill tube has a larger diameter, it can over fill a reservoir beneath it into another reservoir where the discharge tube is located. This barrier would prevent the 2 static heads from balancing themselves which they would do.
 If anyone bothers to build Heron's fountain, you'll find out that the discharge tube as in the video is a smaller static head. And it's the mass of the static head that generates the air pressure for pumping out the reservoir where the outlet tube is located.
 The top view is looking straight down at it. should give everyone a decent idea of how a simple pmm might be built.

It might be helpful to look at a calendar. If you do, Jimpbo, you might notice that the 31st of August is nearly a full WEEK AFTER August 25th. Or you might not, being who you are. The last time I pointed this out, you accused me of changing the dates of the YT videos!

Now, Johnny Jimpbo has been promising ever since then to make a perpetual motion pump out of this design. Where is it? Oh... that's right, he doesn't have any place to work, and his back hurts, and people are preventing him from having a family.... so he can't do what he claims, but it's not his fault at all.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 07, 2012, 03:43:58 PM
Uploaded to YouTube on August 21, 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bINdCrvZPU4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bINdCrvZPU4)

Uploaded to YouTube on August 25, 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf15cvDVix0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf15cvDVix0)

Is that what "NOTHING" looks like?

Or does it look like this:

The first post in Johnny-come-lately's "modified heron's fountain" thread, made on August 30, 2012:

And here is the post, in Bill's thread here, where Johnny-come-lately's little drawing above first appeared, on August 31, 2012.
It might be helpful to look at a calendar. If you do, Jimpbo, you might notice that the 31st of August is nearly a full WEEK AFTER August 25th. Or you might not, being who you are. The last time I pointed this out, you accused me of changing the dates of the YT videos!

Now, Johnny Jimpbo has been promising ever since then to make a perpetual motion pump out of this design. Where is it? Oh... that's right, he doesn't have any place to work, and his back hurts, and people are preventing him from having a family.... so he can't do what he claims, but it's not his fault at all.

  Alan,
 You are nothing but a nuisance to me. Can't help having had cancer and complications from surgery. I think it shows your immaturity for making fun of such a serious situation. But as I said, if you and Bill don't insult me, you don't have anything.
 And if I associate with someone like you or Bill, I surely won't meet any woman worth knowing, it'd be something about maybe woman don't like guys like you. And the fact that you are married would have to make me wonder about your wife if you act like this around her. Doubt you do otherwise she'd probably leave you. Why don't you do everyone a favor and grow up ?

                                                                                                                        Jim
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on December 07, 2012, 03:57:56 PM
Who are you talking to, Jimbo? My name isn't Alan and I don't even know anyone by that name.

Some people don't blame their lack of performance on their OWN health issues, which just might be as bad or worse than yours, you whiner. You have no idea about my health issues because I don't trumpet them here on the forum looking for sympathy and excuses for not working. And you have no idea whether or not I'm married.... and even if you did, you have absolutely no right or reason to discuss my wife or my relationships. I have never mentioned either topic..... like you do, continuously.

I note that you still cannot refute the DATES, which show that I could not have "ripped off" anything from you.... but you certainly could have taken what you see in my videos and used it however you liked.... since my videos were posted about a WEEK BEFORE you ever even started thinking about a Heron's Fountain.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 07, 2012, 06:28:16 PM
Who are you talking to, Jimbo? My name isn't Alan and I don't even know anyone by that name.

Some people don't blame their lack of performance on their OWN health issues, which just might be as bad or worse than yours, you whiner. You have no idea about my health issues because I don't trumpet them here on the forum looking for sympathy and excuses for not working. And you have no idea whether or not I'm married.... and even if you did, you have absolutely no right or reason to discuss my wife or my relationships. I have never mentioned either topic..... like you do, continuously.

I note that you still cannot refute the DATES, which show that I could not have "ripped off" anything from you.... but you certainly could have taken what you see in my videos and used it however you liked.... since my videos were posted about a WEEK BEFORE you ever even started thinking about a Heron's Fountain.

  Alan,
 You were claiming I ripped you off and Bill was saying the same thing. Only because you guys don't know anything.
 And when I build, you'll be left out of it. After all, you got bessler007 banned when you were harassing me in my thread because as usual, you have no life and no understanding of engineering. Nothing I can do for you.
 When you chose not to learn, that is on YOU. And as for your rants, it is all you know.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on December 08, 2012, 12:48:56 AM
You are funny. You cannot provide any proof or support for your deluded contention that I am "alan" or whoever you think I am today.

You cannot provide any support for ANY of your contentions, in fact. The only thing anyone believes, coming from you, is that you aren't working on something "now", but plan to at some point in the indefinite future.

I have never  "gotten anybody banned" from any site anywhere, to my knowledge. Believe me, if I had that power.... you would be outta here right away, until and unless you  showed something uniquely yours. But you cannot, all you can do is pollute Bill's thread with your lies and delusions and false accusations.

Let's see some DATES of PUBLICATION from you, that refute my timeline. You cannot provide them. Even YOU know that August 25 comes before August 30. Let's see some ACTUAL SUPPORT for your contention that I am this "Alan" to whom you rant. You cannot provide it, because it is another false contention from you. Let's see some ACTUAL PROOF that you can make any kind of "perpetual runner" at all. You cannot provide it, because you are a lazy whiner and you are wasting your time fooling with designs that are long known to be failures, because you cannot analyze them due to your ignorance of engineering mathematics.

But carry on, nobody is trying to stop you, no matter how much you blame others for your failure to produce. Just stop lying about me and about Bill and about your "work", and pollute your own waters, not those of people who actually are building and testing things.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 08, 2012, 01:30:08 AM
 you're funny alan. when you said I libeled you off this site you gave yourself away.
 It's funny what you say about engineering when you have no schooling. You mut be jealous. Get over it is all I can say.
 Unlike you, when I build a wheel, it will be one worth my while, not yours.
 
 good bye alan
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on December 08, 2012, 01:43:27 AM
you're funny alan. when you said I libeled you off this site you gave yourself away.
 It's funny what you say about engineering when you have no schooling. You mut be jealous. Get over it is all I can say.
 Unlike you, when I build a wheel, it will be one worth my while, not yours.
 
 good bye alan

IDIOT. Here, ONCE AGAIN, is the place where you libelled me off-site: On my YouTube channel.

I "mut" be jealous? You must be nutso. Build away-- when you are feeling better of course -- , but STFU about me, you fool.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 08, 2012, 01:57:24 AM
 In reality alan, I am probably the only person in this forum or besslerwheel that has the necessary skills to build it and that is why I am the person who is spending the money to do it. That's reality.
 Besides, you and your friends show how much my dad knew that you and your friends have no clue about.
 by tbe way, notice you got mrwayne's thread locked. while he spent money and people did what they could, you had nothing worth while to say, as usual.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 08, 2012, 02:29:42 AM
  alan,
 one small thing you are over looking is that tnis is the holidays.
 Myself, I'll be busy until after Christmas.
 I think I am going to relax and enjoy the holidays. Only a fool would miss tbe opportunity.
 @All, hope you guys have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year !

  Jim/Bessler2011 (youtube)
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 08, 2012, 02:57:22 AM
Captain Oblivious:

It is clear you will continue to mess up my topic with your delusions.  I have asked you as nice as I can to knock it off.

Besides the dates that you keep trying to change about "your invention" TK's documented evidence clearly says you are lying and have been all of the time.  Yet, you ignore the facts.

This fellow Alan, you claimed used to be your business partner so, I would assume you would know what he looks like and sounds like.  Now follow me here if you can....you have seen TK's videos (We know this since you had libeled him in the comments section of one of them) can you not tell from TK's voice that he is not this Alan fellow?  Is Alan skilled in electronics research and does he have excellent O'scope skills too?  Well, TK does and I would assume Alan does not.  I would also assume that you could tell the difference between TK's voice and Alan's on all of the videos.

YET, you choose to ignore these facts as well and still try to pretend that TK is Alan.  You also try to pretend that the idea you posted that TK had used a long time before your post was somehow stolen by TK.  Once again, ignoring facts.

You were banned from here many times and have to come back under an assumed name, yet you accuse me of using one? (Duh!)  You were banned from the Bessler wheel site for doing this same crap....claiming you had the perfect device and you were going to build it any day now....well that was years ago so....what happened?  You also claimed other's ideas as your own.  You were NOT banned for having the secret, you were banned for being an idiot like you are doing here.

You claim to be an engineer but yet do not have even the basic understanding of engineering or the English language which you clearly demonstrate with every post that you make. (Mr. cubic inches of surface area)

So, instead of continuing to show us how ignorant you are, go build something, anything and quit screwing up my topic.  Try to build a simple Heron's fountain...the instructions are on my video.  You might be able to do this if you really try.  Hopefully it will take you 6 months to do and meanwhile, you will leave my topic alone.

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: casman1969 on December 08, 2012, 03:21:40 AM
Just a thoughtful reminder...

Great people talk about ideas,
average people talk about things and
small people talk about other people.
BOTH SIDES OF THIS, PLEASE KNOCK IT OFF! THIS IS ABOUT THE IDEA OF HERON'S FOUNTAIN WHICH I DID FIND VERY INTERESTING... VERY. Just been waiting for the punch line which is this: Is it or is it not provably perpetual?
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 08, 2012, 04:03:41 AM
  :-)

@casman, nothing personal but all alan and bill knows is ns. when I was being treated for cancer, it was the same story.
alan thinks he should be given any invention because he thinks smart people should support people who are to lazy to learn.
added; Cas, read the thread Modified Heron's Fountain.
 u will see tk saying nothing new can be learned and then asks me to explain it then says it is his idea. not sure how bill can ignore his friends posts. and in another thread this is al
 alan did and bill always defends him.
 I have the threads saved in case they try to steal my idea. I think u will get along with them just fine.
got me better things to do.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 08, 2012, 04:24:14 AM
tk,
build Bessler's wbeel since you think it is so easy and Bill, according to the USPTO, since I am the person who described in detail how it migbt be made perpetual makes me the invento. If I wish to work in one inch depths, as the inventor that is my perogative.
 In engineering terms it could be considered a base line to establish potential or force.
 I think you and your friend missed that part of it but mass/volume is relative to potential. A little something I learned in school, after all, engineering is a discipline.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on December 08, 2012, 05:27:07 AM
tk,
build Bessler's wbeel since you think it is so easy and Bill, according to the USPTO, since I am the person who described in detail how it migbt be made perpetual makes me the invento. If I wish to work in one inch depths, as the inventor that is my perogative.
 In engineering terms it could be considered a base line to establish potential or force.
 I think you and your friend missed that part of it but mass/volume is relative to potential. A little something I learned in school, after all, engineering is a discipline.

did you recently understand that bessler's wheel under your own understanding. it is impossible?
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 08, 2012, 09:42:53 AM
tk,
build Bessler's wbeel since you think it is so easy and Bill, according to the USPTO, since I am the person who described in detail how it migbt be made perpetual makes me the invento. If I wish to work in one inch depths, as the inventor that is my perogative.
 In engineering terms it could be considered a base line to establish potential or force.
 I think you and your friend missed that part of it but mass/volume is relative to potential. A little something I learned in school, after all, engineering is a discipline.

So Jimbo, you are now the inventor of Heron's fountain?  Great.  How is this possible?  you have not even built one that works and, many others have done so before your time but yet, you still claim this as your idea?  Astounding.  try building one that works first, and then you can argue if you invented it or not.  I think even you could build one in maybe 6 months or so.  3rd graders can do it so i believe you have a good shot at doing it also.

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 08, 2012, 10:39:31 AM
  :-)

@casman, nothing personal but all alan and bill knows is ns. when I was being treated for cancer, it was the same story.
alan thinks he should be given any invention because he thinks smart people should support people who are to lazy to learn.
added; Cas, read the thread Modified Heron's Fountain.
 u will see tk saying nothing new can be learned and then asks me to explain it then says it is his idea. not sure how bill can ignore his friends posts. and in another thread this is al
 alan did and bill always defends him.
 I have the threads saved in case they try to steal my idea. I think u will get along with them just fine.
got me better things to do.

Here again you somehow claim that heron's Fountain is your invention?  This is so laughable Jimbo.  And you wonder why I call you Captain Oblivious.  It is simply because you are oblivious to the facts, and to history.  This device has been around for thousands of years.  You have not even built one working replication yet, you claim you invented it???

All I can say is Holy Crap!

Where are your schematics?  Where is your video of a working device?  Oh, I see, Alan won't let you post them.

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 08, 2012, 08:42:52 PM
did you recently understand that bessler's wheel under your own understanding. it is impossible?

  onthecuttingedge2005,
 I've been working on this idea for a number of years. The basic principle took me about 6 months to understand it had potential.
It's not an easy build but do have a place to build it. I won't be able to start on it until after Christmas but do believe it is what Bessler knew so it would be nothing original on my part except maybe for my interpretation of his work.
 I am aware that perpetual motion is considered impossible and that it should not work according to what is currently understood. If it does work, then Bessler had realized an application that he kept secret.
 One reason why I believe he did this is because of his belief in Jesus. One of his quotes is "don't you understand ?" and it possibly has 2 meanings. The first is that his wheel worked, believe it.
 the other might be that he believed in Jesus. This could be why he used religious symbols in his drawings and quoted the Bible as much as he did, to link his work and his beliefs.
 Some of the religious symbolism in his drawings would be pendulums that resemble crosses and having 3 weights which could be for the trinity or the 3 spikes that were drove into Jesus' body.
 One thing people have missed on is why he called his wheel Orffyreus. It is because Hermes invented the lyre but Orpheus made it sing. His wheel it seems at some point he decided he would let someone else make it known and when they talked about it, they would be making music just as Orpheus did with Hermes lyre.
 Until then, I hope you are able to enjoy the Holidays   :D
 
                                                                                                                          Jim
 
edited to add; Bessler does show the symbol commonly associated with Freemasons in some of his drawings and as such may have been one himself.
 
edited to change some of the explanations
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 09, 2012, 10:39:44 PM
  @All,
 tk has known that my colon has attachec itself to my abdominal wall and other internal organs as a result of my having had complications from surgery.
 Whe Stefan allows him to mock the seriuosness of my situation is not acceptable.
 Bessler's wheel is something I could probably have been built by now if Stefan did not support his efforts in an attempt to take credit for my work.
 I do have other concerns besides this build and it would be difficult for me to either profit or benefit in some way from my work under the conditions that have been impsed on me by the management of this forum.
 When I am ready, I will build a wheel but first I need to gain some wood working experiene and equip a wood shop that will allow me to demonstrate some of my skills.
 It would have been nice to have worked with other people on this but Alan Bauldree believes tbat if he can't have it then he would must as soon kill it.

added; could be that alan like a lot of ignorant Americans can't stand to see somebody else have something because my hearing loss is real and so is the discrimination I have had to tolerate.
 But as Alan has shown, he only cares about himself.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 10, 2012, 02:25:35 AM
  @All,
 If I end up being successful, I could thank my sister for showing me something. She did not have an ugly mouth and was not demanding.
 She published her own Christian newspaper while dealing with Crohn's disease. She did not have it very good, she died at 47 because of how severe her condition was.
 Myself, I will take care of my personal responzibilities first which inlude my car and my health. I  need to be able to get to work and do my job before I worry about anything else.
 btw, with Crohn's disease, you can have almost all of your intestines removed. It could be having seen what my sister went through that has kept me going.
 
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 10, 2012, 02:26:19 AM
  @All,
 tk has known that my colon has attachec itself to my abdominal wall and other internal organs as a result of my having had complications from surgery.
 Whe Stefan allows him to mock the seriuosness of my situation is not acceptable.
 Bessler's wheel is something I could probably have been built by now if Stefan did not support his efforts in an attempt to take credit for my work.
 I do have other concerns besides this build and it would be difficult for me to either profit or benefit in some way from my work under the conditions that have been impsed on me by the management of this forum.
 When I am ready, I will build a wheel but first I need to gain some wood working experiene and equip a wood shop that will allow me to demonstrate some of my skills.
 It would have been nice to have worked with other people on this but Alan Bauldree believes tbat if he can't have it then he would must as soon kill it.

added; could be that alan like a lot of ignorant Americans can't stand to see somebody else have something because my hearing loss is real and so is the discrimination I have had to tolerate.
 But as Alan has shown, he only cares about himself.

Jimbo AKA Captain Oblivious:

Man, what is wrong with you?  You still think TK is someone named Alan?  Watch TK's videos, listen to his voice, look at the electronics equipment, etc and you will see that TK is TK.

Please whine about your life on one of the hundreds of topics that you started and get off of this one as it is obvious that you have nothing to contribute.  You can't even build a simple fountain and yet you claim everyone stole your device?  The schematic is on my video along with the link...all you need are 2 empty 16 oz drink bottles and some straws and a little glue.  But, for some reason, you can't build one so you have to trash this topic with your crap.  I am tired of it.

Please seek additional medication and stay off this topic which deals with things you have proven you know nothing about.

Bill

PS  If you are going to continue to trash the USA, I suggest you go back to whatever shit hole country you are from and shut up about it.  America will be better off.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on December 10, 2012, 05:06:40 AM
Jimbo AKA Captain Oblivious:

Man, what is wrong with you?  You still think TK is someone named Alan?  Watch TK's videos, listen to his voice, look at the electronics equipment, etc and you will see that TK is TK.

Please whine about your life on one of the hundreds of topics that you started and get off of this one as it is obvious that you have nothing to contribute.  You can't even build a simple fountain and yet you claim everyone stole your device?  The schematic is on my video along with the link...all you need are 2 empty 16 oz drink bottles and some straws and a little glue.  But, for some reason, you can't build one so you have to trash this topic with your crap.  I am tired of it.

Please seek additional medication and stay off this topic which deals with things you have proven you know nothing about.

Bill

PS  If you are going to continue to trash the USA, I suggest you go back to whatever shit hole country you are from and shut up about it.  America will be better off.

I second that PS pirate.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 10, 2012, 01:02:52 PM
Jimbo AKA Captain Oblivious:

Man, what is wrong with you?  You still think TK is someone named Alan?  Watch TK's videos, listen to his voice, look at the electronics equipment, etc and you will see that TK is TK.

Please whine about your life on one of the hundreds of topics that you started and get off of this one as it is obvious that you have nothing to contribute.  You can't even build a simple fountain and yet you claim everyone stole your device?  The schematic is on my video along with the link...all you need are 2 empty 16 oz drink bottles and some straws and a little glue.  But, for some reason, you can't build one so you have to trash this topic with your crap.  I am tired of it.

Please seek additional medication and stay off this topic which deals with things you have proven you know nothing about.

Bill

PS  If you are going to continue to trash the USA, I suggest you go back to whatever shit hole country you are from and shut up about it.  America will be better off.

  When Alaln says that my health doesn't matter, have to disagree and I;m not whining, I am stating a fact.
 Cuttingedge, I think it's funny that the only credible people in an overunity forum are the skeptics or people with no background in engineering. Stefan's really let his forum go down the shitter.
 And Bill, tk has no name and no face. I find that suspicious because honest people don't hide.
 But since his name implies he is gay and you passionately defend him, is there something romantic going on between the two of you ?
 After all Bill, if you had a woman in your life, you wouldn't be following big, strong men like tk and ab hammer. It just doesn't seem right unless the is "the loop", lmao  :o :o

edited to add;  I did post on besslerwheel.com that I will be starting my own business. Why pass up opportunity just to be harassed by anonymous people ? Can't see it myself.
 And since building furniture is something that will help me learn wood working skills, that is what I will do.
After watching people like those on woodsmithshop on pbs, their shows will be helpful as they demonstrate everything they discuss when it comes to building. There is also that guy from Boston (I think), T-Mac they call him and he's on at 6 on Sundays and also shows how to do different things.
 And since I could use some new furniture and will be buying wood working equipment, why not ? It'd beat the heck out of only knowing how to build wheels. Would get burned out on that if it was all I did.
 Still, have been attacked quite a bit for working openly and doing what I can despite what medical problems I have. Kind of backwards if you ask me.

edited to add; @All, alan used to have a video of a magnetic wheel he built years ago. Some of hsi videos are nothing more than Marconi's radio, very basic. Marconi had his patent revoked when Tesla invented the dial tuner.
 So the videos on tk's youtube channel are quite basic and that is all alan has ever shown. If he ever showed anything with some real science in it, then it would be more difficult to know him for who he is.
 Sorry Bill but tk's vids are as basic as alan's and he likes things pure, you know, no science or math needed.
 Hope you guys have fun but things will never change if you're not willing to  ;)
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 10, 2012, 11:15:58 PM
  @All,
 Here are some posts from MY thread where tinselkoala, abhammer or whatever his name really si was harass me and tell me how I have to prove him wrong.
 Since he does not consider my eharing loss is a disability and one of the reasons I am doing this is to change the governments stance on how it percieves hearing loss, he is NO Different than ab hammer and could be him.
 After all, while he shows a little toy motor, I have worked on turbines that had a steam supply of 1,200 psi. A bit more than what he has shown.
 And as pirate88719 has posted, I STOLE tinselkoal's idea. If you read through his quotes, he said it COULD NOT POSSIBLY WORK.
 How convenient, after I show it has potential then he decides that it is his from a video he made showing little understanding of pressure heads and is 100% supported by pirate88719 as making a claim that SPECIFIC ewngineering principles could allow it to work.
 Talk about posers who have nothing, kind of why I am in the wrong place. I am not sure why Stefan allows open attempts at stealing someone's work. That is one thing that should not be tolerated. Hope you have fun with your boyfriend Bill.
 
and build something that PROVES ME WRONG.
Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2012, 02:48:04 PM »
And if you could only build your own, and plumb it like you have shown, you will see just how very wrong you are
Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2012, 07:37:07 PM »
Here's something mechanical I built a long time ago, and I'm showing it here just to refute your silly accusations and assumptions about me. Machined to tolerances of 0.0001 inch, every bit made by me from metal stock, runs on a very small pressure differential of 2 psi, illustrates a clever mechanism. No levers? Awwww.... shucks.  Let's see your levers then, Jimbo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeyHiEpT6ZU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeyHiEpT6ZU)
Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2012, 02:21:19 AM »
 
 And by the way everyone, I will call anyone that says that they machine something to within .0001" a liar. If he was that good, he wouldn't be in here. Also, anyone who posts something like this  >>  And if you could only build your own (modified Heron's Fountain), and plumb it like you have shown, you will see just how very wrong you are ; Re: Modified Heron's Fountain « Reply #18 on: September 01, 2012, 07:37:07 PM »  << have to believe everyone in this forum is gullible. If not, then why is pirate88719 and tinselkoala claiming it is tinselkoal's idea after he said it was a waste of time (what I was working on).
 Kind of why who tinselkoal is doesn't matter to me any more than who ab hammer is. They are both jealous of my knwoledge and understanding of engineering. That is the way it usually goes.
 So Bill, why don't you and your friend go play with each other and leave me alone ?
 
edited to add;
I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09AnzpbJM-I) like the way tinselkoala kept posting to me that I need to prove him wrong. Not what I'm in this for, he has nothing I want, he is the wrong  for me.
 
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 11, 2012, 02:24:34 AM
 @All,
 I also went to school for machininb and worked as a machinist for a number of years. A part of my work on Bessler's wheel is it's an outlet for the schooling and work experience that I have but do not use.
 I had to change from machinst to warehouse because chronic ear infections come along with my hearing loss. When I am able to build to my satisfaction, I will. Woman are more demanding than you guys when it comes to something like this and a poor attitude would make all the work and time I've invested in this a waste of my time.

   Jim
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 11, 2012, 07:22:09 AM
@All,
 I also went to school for machininb and worked as a machinist for a number of years. A part of my work on Bessler's wheel is it's an outlet for the schooling and work experience that I have but do not use.
 I had to change from machinst to warehouse because chronic ear infections come along with my hearing loss. When I am able to build to my satisfaction, I will. Woman are more demanding than you guys when it comes to something like this and a poor attitude would make all the work and time I've invested in this a waste of my time.

   Jim

Wow, I didn't even know there was a school that taught machininb.  You must be proud.  Too bad they did not teach you how to type or make a Heron's fountain.  That might have been useful.

Do you have any idea how long this topic would be if we all complained about our personal situations?  That is not what this topic is for.  I don't give a crap what you have been through, I have been through worse, and so have many others on here, so, shut the hell up about it.

Get a grip Captain Oblivious and, get a life and....build something.

AND STOP TRASHING MY TOPIC WITH YOUR PERSONAL CRAP!

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 11, 2012, 08:21:08 AM
  When Alaln says that my health doesn't matter, have to disagree and I;m not whining, I am stating a fact.
 Cuttingedge, I think it's funny that the only credible people in an overunity forum are the skeptics or people with no background in engineering. Stefan's really let his forum go down the shitter.
 And Bill, tk has no name and no face. I find that suspicious because honest people don't hide.
 But since his name implies he is gay and you passionately defend him, is there something romantic going on between the two of you ?
 After all Bill, if you had a woman in your life, you wouldn't be following big, strong men like tk and ab hammer. It just doesn't seem right unless the is "the loop", lmao  :o :o

edited to add;  I did post on besslerwheel.com that I will be starting my own business. Why pass up opportunity just to be harassed by anonymous people ? Can't see it myself.
 And since building furniture is something that will help me learn wood working skills, that is what I will do.
After watching people like those on woodsmithshop on pbs, their shows will be helpful as they demonstrate everything they discuss when it comes to building. There is also that guy from Boston (I think), T-Mac they call him and he's on at 6 on Sundays and also shows how to do different things.
 And since I could use some new furniture and will be buying wood working equipment, why not ? It'd beat the heck out of only knowing how to build wheels. Would get burned out on that if it was all I did.
 Still, have been attacked quite a bit for working openly and doing what I can despite what medical problems I have. Kind of backwards if you ask me.

edited to add; @All, alan used to have a video of a magnetic wheel he built years ago. Some of hsi videos are nothing more than Marconi's radio, very basic. Marconi had his patent revoked when Tesla invented the dial tuner.
 So the videos on tk's youtube channel are quite basic and that is all alan has ever shown. If he ever showed anything with some real science in it, then it would be more difficult to know him for who he is.
 Sorry Bill but tk's vids are as basic as alan's and he likes things pure, you know, no science or math needed.
 Hope you guys have fun but things will never change if you're not willing to  ;)

Jimbo:

I do not know where to begin.  First, i have several beautiful ladies in my life and no, I am not gay, but thanks for asking.  Talk to your therapist about that, it is called transference.  That means, just because you are gay, you think everyone is.

I have machined part to much tighter tolerances than .0001.  Just because you can't does not mean it can not be done.  Look on the internet, there is an article in a KY newspaper where we did just that for over 55,000 parts for a government contract with 0 defects.  That is 0, it means none.  The tolerances were tighter than you claim can not be done.

Please grow up and stop imposing your limitations on everyone here.

You can't build a Heron's fountain so no one can.

You can't machine parts to closer than +- .0001 so no one can.  Etc., etc.

Grow up, grow some balls, learn how to type and take some basic engineering classes at the local night school and....


QUIT TRASHING MY TOPIC WITH YOUR LIES AND COMPLAINTS ABOUT YOU OWN SAD CONDITION!

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 11, 2012, 08:27:22 AM
I second that PS pirate.

Thank you very much...I really appreciate that.

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on December 11, 2012, 11:52:22 AM
Hey there Johnny.... you sure are a big fellow for your size. You think you've outed me...... well maybe I should show you a thing or two, you'd be fascinated I'm sure. There is much discussion of the size of a certain "pickle" in another thread.

Tolerances.... that "little" motor in that video would not even turn if it hadn't been made to the precision I stated. It can run on 3 psi differential pressure. It has no piston rings, and that spool valve is so precisely lapped into its reamed and sized hole.... yes, jimpbo, that part is actually made to not a ten-thousandths precision but to a hundred-thou. For the pistons, a ten-thou was good enough, any looser and they leak ...no rings... any tighter, baby.... and they bind. You call me a liar because I'm a good machinist? I call you an idiot without opposable thumbs.

Don't you just love it when I talk dirty to you , big Johnny Jimpbo?
 :-* :-*
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 11, 2012, 01:15:58 PM
Hey there Johnny.... you sure are a big fellow for your size. You think you've outed me...... well maybe I should show you a thing or two, you'd be fascinated I'm sure. There is much discussion of the size of a certain "pickle" in another thread.

Tolerances.... that "little" motor in that video would not even turn if it hadn't been made to the precision I stated. It can run on 3 psi differential pressure. It has no piston rings, and that spool valve is so precisely lapped into its reamed and sized hole.... yes, jimpbo, that part is actually made to not a ten-thousandths precision but to a hundred-thou. For the pistons, a ten-thou was good enough, any looser and they leak ...no rings... any tighter, baby.... and they bind. You call me a liar because I'm a good machinist? I call you an idiot without opposable thumbs.

Don't you just love it when I talk dirty to you , big Johnny Jimpbo?
 :-* :-*

  Let me get this straight, in the thread "why working openly is a bad idea", you stated many times I owe you an apology for stealing your idea and this after you post the way I plumb it. Not sure, but as usual you do sound like ab hammer but may be a jerk like him.
 Your tolerances are not possible unless maybe you're a scientists working with molecules. Besides, any machinist I've known who has honed something to a tight tolerate says they honed it, not machined it. For some reason machinists like to say what process they use in doing something. Doubt you machined it. After all, you say you work to such precision then turn around and do a piece of crap Heron's Fountain which would have Heron rolling over in his grave.
 It seems idiots usually have nothing to say except prove it to me or make impossible statements.
 I'm not worried, you have nothing on me, I DID go to school and get good experience working the jobs I had.
 But as you said, I am to prove to you because you have a big ego and no . If you did, you might be wanting to impress a woman and say hi to the guys in here instead of trying o impress them.
 Do have to wonder though why the people in here would have a problem with my being affected by my medical issues and wanting to do something so I can speak out against discrimination against the hearing impaired. For Americans in here, they would actually be considered anti-American for thinking a disabled Vet does not have the same right to a life as they do. Simple fact and is reality.
 By the way tk, everyone knows who I am but no one knows who you are and ab hammer is called steel teddy bear by his wife and tinselkoala is another way of saying the same thing. Remember her posts in besslerwheel where she called you that in her thread by lady silver rose. steel teddy bear, tinselkoala, same name, kind of why I think it is you Alan Bauldree. If not, not my problem.    :o 8)

edited to add; your little motor isn't overunity but is the original steam engine and like Heron's Fountain, something that is tried and true. You would sound more credible if you would include some of the history surrounding what you discuss but don't because it would come out as cut and paste, ignorance does tend to show itself given time. Bye bye little boy.
 

edited to add; here is a link to where some people are trying to discuss something while tinselkoala like ab hammer are discussing themselves. they might be different people but they have the same personalities.
http://www.overunity.com/8825/pulsed-dc-transformer-with-embedded-magnets/msg270972/#msg270972

 Kind of how I know I am in the wrong place.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on December 11, 2012, 11:15:08 PM
" Kind of how I know I am in the wrong place."

That is something you have been saying for a long long time and it's something that the rest of us have known for a long long time too.

You are a liar, a fool, and an idiot. Your post above proves all of those things very clearly. You cannot work to close tolerances or make anything that actually works, so you blame others for your failures and you pretend not to believe their demonstrations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ewRqiKwoXo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ewRqiKwoXo)

Let's see your demonstration of machining accuracy, you bloviating fool.

Here's what goes in in YOUR machine shop, I imagine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcaWXyHBueI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcaWXyHBueI)

You think this is a piece of crap? Let's see yours do better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bINdCrvZPU4

What was the DATE that I posted that video, Johnny Chimpo? What was the DATE that you first posted your diagram?
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 12, 2012, 02:10:02 AM
  tinselmoala,
 you are funny. not ha ha but stupid.
you posted tbat my plumbing can't work. this means your viceos are worth crap.
 go bother somebody else with how you don't touch your wife. can't say for sure but do believe she would appreciate it if you would do sometbing nice for her.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 12, 2012, 02:22:22 AM
Hey Jimbo Oblivious:

Did you not even realize that TK's name is an anagram (look it up) of a famous person's name?  Someone we who play with electronics and electricity all know very well?

You didn't?

I'm shocked! (pun intended)

I'll give you a hint, he invented/discovered the rotating field which gives us our ac power in use today.

Since you appeared not to get this, i just thought i would tell you.  And no, it is not someone named Alan.

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 12, 2012, 02:56:13 AM
  bill,
 I don't know of anyone wno would confuse Nikola Tesla with ab hammer. Can you show where your boyfriend discussed his work ?
 Do believe I mentioned where tinselkoala showed Marconi's radio without mentioning how Tesla got his patent for the radio revoked.
 Nothing personal billy boy but you guys need to learn the basics first. U guys r y I hate rookies, u don't have a clue.

     Jim
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 12, 2012, 03:10:54 AM
  bill,
 alan doesn't ciscuss Tesla's work.
How ever, because of it's gay reference, people are expected to be nice to him just as you are supporting him.

Jim, btw bill, everyone knows who I am because I voluntarily made myself known.
live with it !

added; bill, since what tk shows supports Marconi and not Tesla and his A.C. motor, can you show me what I have missed ?
 From Marconi, you would need to go to Edison and his D.C. motor.
 Something anyone would no !
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 12, 2012, 03:38:54 AM
  Pirate88719,
 That is original. Saying because Alan lights up your life, he is like Tesla, you are right.

   Jim
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on December 12, 2012, 03:39:22 AM
Keep it up, Johhnny Doo Little. With every post you dig yourself a deeper hole, right along with Rosemary Ainslie.  This forum cracks me up.... I'm being attacked in three different places by three different people, all of whom are quite certain they know my name.... all different, all wrong. But they are all absolutely sure!
What a bunch of idiots you are. Jimpbo, YOU CANNOT PROVE ANY OF YOUR CONTENTIONS REGARDING ME, because they are all lies.

What is the date that you first posted your drawing of your chambers in the bottom of a Heron's Fountain?

ANSWER THE QUESTION, you moron. Post a link to your very first posting of that drawing.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on December 12, 2012, 03:49:13 AM
Preserved for posterity. The incredible amazing Jim Thumbless exhibits who he really REALLY is, down deep inside.


Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 12, 2012, 03:59:04 AM
 pirate88719,
 yourself and tinselkoala mame an unusual claim. Only a real person can be an inventor. As such, you and tinselkoala have no ability to claim that you are inventors.
 SORRY !

Jim
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 12, 2012, 06:33:12 AM
pirate88719,
 yourself and tinselkoala mame an unusual claim. Only a real person can be an inventor. As such, you and tinselkoala have no ability to claim that you are inventors.
 SORRY !

Jim

JohnnyDoLittle (or nothing):

Yes, you are sorry, I agree.  So, your name is really Johnny874 then?  You are using your real name here?  What BS.  So, I should look for patents under the name Johnny874?  You are so full of crap even you can't keep up with it.  So now you are claiming that Alan is Nikola Tesla?  What sort of drugs are you on over there?

Once again, please, please, learn English and also learn how to type and spell.  Also, I suggest you read and learn about gravity, engineering and please try to pick up some social skills.

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 12, 2012, 06:03:05 PM
JohnnyDoLittle (or nothing):

Yes, you are sorry, I agree.  So, your name is really Johnny874 then?  You are using your real name here?  What BS.  So, I should look for patents under the name Johnny874?  You are so full of crap even you can't keep up with it.  So now you are claiming that Alan is Nikola Tesla?  What sort of drugs are you on over there?

Once again, please, please, learn English and also learn how to type and spell.  Also, I suggest you read and learn about gravity, engineering and please try to pick up some social skills.

Bill

  Unlike you, I have posted my real name and where I live. This means that anyone who can access my account does not have right to idea's that I have posted.
 Besides, I am a week and a half away from having a shop again. I have nothing to do but to enjoy what it is that I have been waiting for. In the mean time, nothing has changed for you and alan. It shows who the person is that has taken time to elarn something while posting in forums. Of course, with my background in engineering and manufacturing, it gave me a good base to build upon.
 And Bill, in the first post, I announce my citizenship, city of residency and legal given name. Of course, something like the 4th or 5th post is yours so you have known that this information has been posted.
 But as I mentioned, there has been no such diclosure by you or your friend. Your rants are merely because you are jealous just like your friend is. Your insults do not take away from what I have and am about to do. And afterwards if my build is successful as I believe it will be, you and your friend can go hide somewhere because you are anonymous posters.
 
                                                                                                                      Bye
                                                                                                                       Johnny874
 
@All, the link where in the first some personal information is given identifying who I am.
http://www.overunity.com/12597/my-invention/ (http://www.overunity.com/12597/my-invention/)
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on December 12, 2012, 07:40:29 PM
  Let me get this straight, in the thread "why working openly is a bad idea", you stated many times I owe you an apology for stealing your idea and this after you post the way I plumb it. Not sure, but as usual you do sound like ab hammer but may be a jerk like him.
 Your tolerances are not possible unless maybe you're a scientists working with molecules. Besides, any machinist I've known who has honed something to a tight tolerate says they honed it, not machined it. For some reason machinists like to say what process they use in doing something. Doubt you machined it. After all, you say you work to such precision then turn around and do a piece of crap Heron's Fountain which would have Heron rolling over in his grave.
 It seems idiots usually have nothing to say except prove it to me or make impossible statements.
 I'm not worried, you have nothing on me, I DID go to school and get good experience working the jobs I had.
 But as you said, I am to prove to you because you have a big ego and no . If you did, you might be wanting to impress a woman and say hi to the guys in here instead of trying o impress them.
 Do have to wonder though why the people in here would have a problem with my being affected by my medical issues and wanting to do something so I can speak out against discrimination against the hearing impaired. For Americans in here, they would actually be considered anti-American for thinking a disabled Vet does not have the same right to a life as they do. Simple fact and is reality.
 By the way tk, everyone knows who I am but no one knows who you are and ab hammer is called steel teddy bear by his wife and tinselkoala is another way of saying the same thing. Remember her posts in besslerwheel where she called you that in her thread by lady silver rose. steel teddy bear, tinselkoala, same name, kind of why I think it is you Alan Bauldree. If not, not my problem.    :o 8)

edited to add; your little motor isn't overunity but is the original steam engine and like Heron's Fountain, something that is tried and true. You would sound more credible if you would include some of the history surrounding what you discuss but don't because it would come out as cut and paste, ignorance does tend to show itself given time. Bye bye little boy.
 

edited to add; here is a link to where some people are trying to discuss something while tinselkoala like ab hammer are discussing themselves. they might be different people but they have the same personalities.
http://www.overunity.com/8825/pulsed-dc-transformer-with-embedded-magnets/msg270972/#msg270972 (http://www.overunity.com/8825/pulsed-dc-transformer-with-embedded-magnets/msg270972/#msg270972)

 Kind of how I know I am in the wrong place.

Heron invented it and he probably spent his entire life trying to figure out 'why' it wouldn't work. you are doing the same.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 13, 2012, 02:49:52 AM
  @onthecuttingedge,
 Nothing personal but because of my hearing loss, I have had time to study math and engineering that other people haven't had.
 Once I have my shop set up, I may build my design using wood and plexiglass. If it doesn't work, then I'll have myself a custom fish aquarium. Either way, I'll have something to show for my efforts.
 Still, I will be looking forward to being able to doing some building, I actually enjoy working on things.

  Johnny874/yt ~ bessler2011
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 13, 2012, 03:14:52 AM
  @onthecuttingedge,
 Nothing personal but because of my hearing loss, I have had time to study math and engineering that other people haven't had.
 Once I have my shop set up, I may build my design using wood and plexiglass. If it doesn't work, then I'll have myself a custom fish aquarium. Either way, I'll have something to show for my efforts.
 Still, I will be looking forward to being able to doing some building, I actually enjoy working on things.

  Johnny874/yt ~ bessler2011

You have never built anything before so, why should we think you are going to this time?  You have all of these sorry excuses why you can't build anything and yet you try to steal other people's ideas when they do build something.  You have been saying for over 4 years now that any day now, you are going to build something.  You lie all of the time about everything else Jimbo, so, I think you are not telling the truth again.

Try building a simple Heron's fountain that works first.  You do not need a shop to do that, ha ha ,but then again, maybe you do.  Just some bottles, some glue and some tubes.  You won't even have to learn how to use power tools to do this.

But yet, you can't even build one of these.  So sad really.

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on December 13, 2012, 09:37:35 AM
Heron invented it and he probably spent his entire life trying to figure out 'why' it wouldn't work. you are doing the same.

you didn't get it did you? don't waste your time on this earth on Heron's fountain. if you really are sick then it is even worse that you waste your 'precious' time on a device that will never perpetuate. I 'could' get it to work but it would require an alpha particle emitter that is always hot. if it's not hot it won't go. simple rule.
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 13, 2012, 01:18:35 PM
you didn't get it did you? don't waste your time on this earth on Heron's fountain. if you really are sick then it is even worse that you waste your 'precious' time on a device that will never perpetuate. I 'could' get it to work but it would require an alpha particle emitter that is always hot. if it's not hot it won't go. simple rule.

  But I do "get it". I'm building Bessler's wheel and maybe I will try it, maybe I won't.
It can't be any worse than saying the Jewish Exodus in the Bible runs through the Wadi Tumilat Depression in Egypt. It would have been a sea of reeds or Yam Suph when the canal linking the Nile River to the Red Sea was in use. It even has ancient cities near what would have been it's shoreline.
 But there is one thing I do know that thankfully everyone doesn't and that is to know the difference between having normal hearing and having a hearing loss. I know the difference it has made in my life and that is where as I mentioned I happen to have a lot of free time. It seems people like stereotyping and when it comes to a hearing loss, I might as well be retarded, I get treated the same way. So to me, it is kind of insulting to be told how to live my life by people who are bored with theirs. Have had coworkers harass me over trying to meet someone. No reason for it but they think because they think they know something that I should live by it.
 Still, I will be spending about $500.00 on a table saw and a wood lathe and as I mentioned, an aquarium would be cool. Guess you haven't been around people that have done custom work but at the same time it would be kind of cool to show where people have missed something about Heron's work. They could have been to busy watching the fountain.
 There is one quote dating to the 1670's where some guy said tell someone not to do something and sure enough he will do it. Of course, I would have liked to have had a family but people told me to "get it" and that meant that when I did what they told me that they were being nice and helping me. All they did was to keep me from having a life. Kind of why I am motivated and other people are not. So you guys won't be able to say why it's impossible but then when I try to meet someone, no one will cause me problems. And to me that is worth taking the chance.
 Besides, I am taking on the U.S> Government and it's position on a hearing loss as a disability. They say ti isn't because people like me can work. They ignore the lack of life that discrimination accounts for. You should be telling me not to be doing that, one person against the government can't possibly win but I have already filed an appeal with the V.A. citing hearing loss only as a reason I should have my hearing loss rated as a disability.
 I think I will when and the U.S. will be embarrassed by it's callous attitude towards people like myself. I am looking forward to it and at the same time maybe showing Christians where they aren't as smart as they think they are by having gotten the Exodus wrong. I'll be killing 2 birds with one stone but then then they'll be better off for it in the long run which sometimes is important.  :D ;)

edited to add; @All, what I do get is people who have nothing but bad advice to offer have plenty to say. It is as ab hammer once told me, I don't want to build Bessler's wheel. He knows this because he claims he is a prophet and if I build it, he made it clear that he wants credit for giving me visions so people will accept his view of things. Of course, people who are to lazy to take the time to learn usually don't like those that do and this forum anymore seems to be inundated with people who want to sound smart but aren't.
 And as for myself, no reason I shouldn't be allowed to enjoy doing the build I am working on.
 I guess this is where overunity.com has become a skeptics forum, you know, the path less traveled.
 But I think I will stay on the mudy path I am on because it's in Bessler's trax that I follow and anyone familiar with his story (history) knows that he went it alone because few appreciated his accomplishment. Isn't it funny how things haven't changed ?

                                                                                                                     Johnny
 
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 13, 2012, 06:28:09 PM
    @All,
 if tinselkoala is an anagram for Nikola Tesla, then when I refered to Alan's work as Marconi's radio, the appropriate response would have been that Alan, er tinselkoala was demonstrating Tesla's attempt at a wireless distribution system. Niether one mentioned Tesla's work to demonstrate that tinselkoala is familiar with it.
 Kind of why I say B.S.
 As to the Jews and the Egyptians, the Egyptians during Ramses time were sea faring people who had a port on the Red Sea. Elephants could've easily moved the ships up stream (canal) and controlled their descent to the Red Sea.
 the Indus River people are one group they could have traded with as they were located in the Indus River Valley in northwestern India and had the first use of running water.
 Of course, east Africa and Asia also would have been possible. Still, the Jews were used to move Heliopolis because a drought had changed the course of the Nile River. And this could be one reason why some temples were built up river, to try to keep the water flowing.
 And with both temple moving and deconstructing buildings and reassembling them, mud brick would have been used. After all, flooding it with water would have let it be washed out when finished building. And for deconstructing things, using things twice like the stones the Egyptian buildings were composed of, it would have been easier to reuse them than quarry new ones.
 Still, I will be able to get a lot of work done on my Bessler build as the work I will need the wood lathe for would be some details that would be needed towards the end of the build.
 Not sure, but think Bessler left sufficient information to get credit for his work even though it was unappreciated in his time. And for fun, after Bessler, I may ask the History Channel about getting some info from scholars who are well versed in the Exodus and see about doing a show that would pretty much account for the Exodus as it is written in the Bible. The only change would be wall of water instead of walls of water.
 It may be that the s at the end of walls in Ancient Hebrew could have been possessive in the tense they wrote the word then. Don't know much about that language but doubt it would hurt to ask. And no, I don't go to church, they didn't like my kind. Kind of like in here.  :o

                                                                                                                    Jim / Johnny874
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: johnny874 on December 26, 2012, 11:51:25 PM
This past weekend I constructed a Heron's Fountain according to the attached diagram.  I will post a video of it in operation when I get a chance.  This is a really cool project and cost me nothing to build.  It is amazing to see the water lifted higher than the starting point.  More later...

Bill

Instructions I used are here: http://blog.makezine.com/2008/06/08/build-herons-fountain-1/ (http://blog.makezine.com/2008/06/08/build-herons-fountain-1/)  I modified a few things to fit the materials I had laying about.

  Published Aug. 21st on youtube, just letting you know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0DPKFCqTNY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0DPKFCqTNY)
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 27, 2012, 05:51:57 AM
So?  The plans I used were published a long time before this video. (2008)  So, what are you getting at?

The video you posted was listed as 2012.?

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: TinselKoala on December 27, 2012, 04:03:00 PM
He's finally noticing that YT videos have dates attached to them?

My first Heron's Fountain video was also posted on August 21, 2011..... at 3:36 am.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUlBqLM6Naw

I also posted four other Heron's Fountain videos that same day, August 21, 2011:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ3JMcFHwp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khZtoyjF4aA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2M05d8J8fU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8OVSPVKLBI


Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 28, 2012, 08:14:18 AM
TK:

Yes, exactly.  There are indeed dates on Youtube videos.  It was your videos that inspired me to make my little replication device.

I was thinking of attempting to use a carbonated liquid in my fountain.  What do you think might happen?  I will try it and post a video of the results...good or bad.

Bill
Title: Re: Heron's Fountain
Post by: tinman on December 30, 2012, 11:58:29 AM
I did build a couple of these heron fountain's some time back.
I was wondering if anyone has thought of useing the bottom container as the water sorce,and the top container as the reciever?.
Then useing a magnetic latch and swing arm,once the top container was almost full-the magnetic latch would let go and the container would drop down to become the water delivery container.
Now you would have the almost empty container that was on the bottom now on top to recieve the water from the fountain.
You would ofcourse need a 3 way valve aswell to switch the delivery and return line's around.
But with that much weight dropping,there would be enough force avalible there to switch the valve.