Author Topic: Heron's Fountain (Read 169426 times)

TinselKoala · « **Reply #105 on:** December 05, 2012, 03:44:32 PM »

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Alan,
Watch episode numer 69 of Numb3rs. You claim that is your idea that I am stealing from. 2007 I think is before 2012.
Only you would miss that. Why I believe you are ab hammer. only he would repeat he originated an idea when it has been shown on television years earlier. you my friend are a fraud and a liar.

In the first place, Jimpbo, I am not named Alan, or Allen, or anything like that, so you can give up your paranoid delusion about that right now.
In the second place, Jimpbo, that television show does NOT show a second concentric inner chamber with a floating riser inside it in the base of their Heron's Fountain, does it? No, of course it does not, it shows an ordinary, and not too well constructed, plain old HERON's FOUNTAIN. There are none of the modifications I made in that old TV episode.... so what are you claiming is shown there that "only abhammer would repeat he originated"? You are deluded.
And just how does their showing of Heron's ancient invention make me a fraud and a liar? It doesn't, you fool. Neither I nor Bill ever claimed to have "invented' HERON's FOUNTAIN (they don't even get his name right in the video) as you seem to think. You cannot support your accusation with FACTS, but I can show the world just where you lie and troll and spout your whining ridiculous delusions.
You're the liar Jimpo and you are caught in your own web of lies. First you accuse me of "ripping YOU off", then you accuse me of ripping the same thing off from an old television show. I laugh in your face.

johnny874 · « **Reply #106 on:** December 05, 2012, 06:14:47 PM »

Quote from: TinselKoala on December 05, 2012, 03:44:32 PM

In the first place, Jimpbo, I am not named Alan, or Allen, or anything like that, so you can give up your paranoid delusion about that right now.
In the second place, Jimpbo, that television show does NOT show a second concentric inner chamber with a floating riser inside it in the base of their Heron's Fountain, does it? No, of course it does not, it shows an ordinary, and not too well constructed, plain old HERON's FOUNTAIN. There are none of the modifications I made in that old TV episode.... so what are you claiming is shown there that "only abhammer would repeat he originated"? You are deluded.
And just how does their showing of Heron's ancient invention make me a fraud and a liar? It doesn't, you fool. Neither I nor Bill ever claimed to have "invented' HERON's FOUNTAIN (they don't even get his name right in the video) as you seem to think. You cannot support your accusation with FACTS, but I can show the world just where you lie and troll and spout your whining ridiculous delusions.
You're the liar Jimpo and you are caught in your own web of lies. First you accuse me of "ripping YOU off", then you accuse me of ripping the same thing off from an old television show. I laugh in your face.

You are sad Alan. And this is what you claim is your idea, my post reposted;
Re: Heron's Fountain« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2012, 01:01:37 PM »Quote
here's a drawing of my version of Herons Fountain.
Because the fill tube has a larger diameter, it can over fill a reservoir beneath it into another reservoir where the discharge tube is located. This barrier would prevent the 2 static heads from balancing themselves which they would do.
If anyone bothers to build Heron's fountain, you'll find out that the discharge tube as in the video is a smaller static head. And it's the mass of the static head that generates the air pressure for pumping out the reservoir where the outlet tube is located.
The top view is looking straight down at it. should give everyone a decent idea of how a simple pmm might be built.
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Also, the Travis effect can not possibly work. by using air to compress water (a fluid), it may increase pressure in a smaller volume chamber, but this is at the expense of it's rate of flow. Because of the restriction placed on the flow of the fluid moving into a smaller chamber, it moves slower. The excess water in the original area creates resistence as demonstrated in the link to a video I made demonstrating that specific behavior. And the picture I am reposting has nothing in common with your "original" idea. You are as much a fraud as wayne travis. His ZED is not overunity as he has repeatedly claimed. There was a time in this forum when frauds were called out and hoaxes were ridiculed but you changed that. And why is it I believe you are Alan Bauldree ? It is reaaly simple Alan, if you were not AB Hammer aka Alan Bauldree, then when I tried working with you and pirate88719, you would not have made the brazen claim that by me posting an original idea I am trying to rip you off. Instead, most people would have said wow, an opportunity to maybe make a ton of cash if what I know is right. legit people don't walk away from idea's that might be worth money. And since you know I will not work with AB Hammer because he is a private builder and refuses to share information with other people, the only way you could hope to profit from my work is claiming I am ripping you off. Like AB Hammer siad, he has a big meaning he is very aggressive and will take what he wants. You are so much like him in that way it is hard to believe you are not him. @All, this video is the basic ZED idea. By applying pressure, fluid rises. If you notice, I am using 1 pound of weights to try to pump 1 pound of water. It doesn't pump it very well does it ? What mrwayne is trying to over come. I don't see any extra work being done here. But by pumping the water differently, it's potential becomes something that can be worked with as shown in the second video. I guess this is where my having gone to school for Propulsion Engineering has helped me to understand the actual engineering instead of what I would wish to believe it is.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN5KQdO3_lA Moving water without restriction allows it to flow much better and allows more of the force creating the work to be converted into work.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4ktQDJW53g

edited to add, thiss is kind of funny because tk thinks mrwayne isn't legit, but then ab hammer and tk have made the same claims about me.
>>I've claimed that Wayne is a liar: and every time he refers to his "Patent" he proves me right.
I've "claimed" that he does not now have nor ever has had a 20 kW unit. Actually that isn't a claim at all, it is a demand for Wayne to prove his claims. I'm not the one making extraordinary claims here, fucking ignorant moron Webby. <<
reply #3366> http://www.overunity.com/10596/hydro-differential-pressure-exchange-over-unity-system/msg346468/#msg346468

edited to add; since I will be starting my build after Christmas, will take a much needed break. My medical situation is becoming very manageable which is what will allow me to build again.

edited to add; maybe one day Alan aka tk will leave people alone who are working on idea's but he is supported by pirate88719 who happens to be a moderator.
As for myself, will take my time in building my version of Bessler's wheel. A router table and a table saw will cost over $300.00. Some people unlike tk are willing to spend money to pursue their idea's, the reason for this forum. And if you read the post of his I refered to, his language useage should not be allowed. It is something I will bring to Stefan's attention. Being abusive towards forum members is something that should not be tolerated. overunity as it is is ridiculed per se and people like tk only add to the negative stereo type.

TinselKoala · « **Reply #107 on:** December 05, 2012, 10:39:41 PM »

The dates prove you wrong Jimpbo, as anyone with a calendar can see for themselves. What is the matter with you, can you not READ or something? Or are you still trying to accuse me of "changing the dates" on my uploaded YT videos? I posted my first Heron's Fountain video when? LOOK IT UP, and then show me where anyone posted the nested chamber idea BEFORE I did... not after, as you keep doing.

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You are sad Alan. And this is what you claim is your idea, my post reposted;
Re: Heron's Fountain« Reply #25 on: [glow=red, 2,300]August 31, 2012, 01:01:37 PM [/glow]»Quote
here's a drawing of my version of Herons Fountain.

Look at the dates of my YT videos, and explain how I could have "ripped you off" over a WEEK before you ever started posting anything like what you are claiming now. You can't, because you are simply lying... yet again.
MY VIDEO WAS POSTED ON AUGUST 24... .and you are saying that I ripped off something that you posted on August 31. Not only that but I have even Earlier Videos uploaded to YT showing the same thing, which I have not yet made public on this forum ... but their dates are on record and there is NO WAY that they can be changed, once a video is uploaded to YT.

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And if you read the post of his I refered to, his language useage should not be allowed. It is something I will bring to Stefan's attention.

And if you Actually READ the post I referred to you will see that I am only REPEATING where Webby called ME an "IGNORANT FUCKING MORON". SO people can use that kind of language against me, falsely, but I cannot say it back to them? That is typical of people who cannot refute me with facts so they descend into the kind of garbage that YOU seem to understand best.

Here you go again: proof that you libelled me off-site and that you lie when you do so and when you make your claims above.
ANYONE can look at my YT videos, the dates that they were uploaded to YT, and see for themselves that you are a whining liar who blames others for your failures to produce.

And every time you call me "alan" you are proving, yet again, that you are a deluded idiot who cares nothing for facts and truth. YOU CANNOT PROVIDE ANY EVIDENCE for your literally insane belief that I am "alan".

And as far as "Leaving you alone" goes.... you and others will note that I am ONLY RESPONDING TO YOUR INSANE ALLEGATIONS about me, every time I have posted in any of your threads since you began your insane campaign against me. You cannot prove your claims, so you attack me while accusing me of attacking you. You are pathetic. Why don't you do what you have promised so many times to do: go away and play somewhere else.

johnny874 · « **Reply #108 on:** December 06, 2012, 03:41:15 AM »

@All,
One of the last things he mentions is that I libeled him off site. On besslerwheel.com in a thread I started called Eplanations as I did in this forum, in my last or 2nd to last post I mentioned where ab hammer was nice enough to offer to teach my Norwegian father engineering. Without Alan's help, he did manage to become the manager of a business responsible for the repair of boilers, turbines, genertors etc. among other things.
I think creating an id to decieve everyone is low. and with me, as Alan will tell you, he is good at getting people banned.

Jim

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #109 on:** December 06, 2012, 04:21:23 AM »

Quote from: johnny874 on December 06, 2012, 03:41:15 AM

@All,
One of the last things he mentions is that I libeled him off site. On besslerwheel.com in a thread I started called Eplanations as I did in this forum, in my last or 2nd to last post I mentioned where ab hammer was nice enough to offer to teach my Norwegian father engineering. Without Alan's help, he did manage to become the manager of a business responsible for the repair of boilers, turbines, genertors etc. among other things.
I think creating an id to decieve everyone is low. and with me, as Alan will tell you, he is good at getting people banned.

Jim

Please stop messing up my topic with your lies and mad ravings Jim. I have asked you, and warned you to stop doing so many times now. You have totally ruined this topic for folks coming here to learn about Heron's Fountain. I guess that was your purpose from the start. You can't and don't build anything so you have to try to ruin it for those of us that do. My guess is this is why you were banned from the Bessler site as well. I know you were banned from this site at least 3 different times and it was not because you built anything, it was because you were harassing those that do actually build things.

I guess I will ask Stefan to place you on Moderation....again. I have no idea what your problem is but I know I don't want to be subject to your lies and accusations any more. Please try to get some professional help.

Bill

johnny874 · « **Reply #110 on:** December 06, 2012, 01:21:39 PM »

Quote from: Pirate88179 on December 06, 2012, 04:21:23 AM

Please stop messing up my topic with your lies and mad ravings Jim. I have asked you, and warned you to stop doing so many times now. You have totally ruined this topic for folks coming here to learn about Heron's Fountain. I guess that was your purpose from the start. You can't and don't build anything so you have to try to ruin it for those of us that do. My guess is this is why you were banned from the Bessler site as well. I know you were banned from this site at least 3 different times and it was not because you built anything, it was because you were harassing those that do actually build things.

I guess I will ask Stefan to place you on Moderation....again. I have no idea what your problem is but I know I don't want to be subject to your lies and accusations any more. Please try to get some professional help.

Bill

Bill,
Unlike you and Alan, I do build and I build wheels. Anyone can see where on the 2nd page I tried working with you and tk who is not supposed to be Alan. It is there for anyone to see. Anyway, Alan saying he increased the height of the discharge static head or fountain to increase the pressure in the chamber has nothing to do with the idea posted as you both claim.
Decreasing the height of the inlet tube has only been mentioned by myself yet you say it is clear that Alan demonstrated that in his video.
All you guys showed was a basic Heron's Fountain and at no time addressed the engineering that allowed for the fountain to be observed. It could be because nether one of you have any schooling in engineering.
What is it you say, the 2 of you usually don't post in here but now that you are here, you two claim to be the only people qualified to understand engineering. I disagree with you.
One example is the language Alan uses when harassing Webby1. I think you should be moderating that but you aren't. Interesting. Why not ? Why not tell Webby1 to be nice to Alan as Alan knows what he is talking about ?
And unlike Alan, I served in the U.S> Military because I happen to believe freedom of speech is a good thing even if some people choose to abuse their right to it. Of course, neither of you ever served in the U.S. Military.
And I think it funny you and Alan having nothing better to do than to harass a disabled Vet, how patriotic.

Jim

@all, here is the link to the thread where tinselkoala says I libeled him. Please note I mentioned AB Hammer and not tinselkoala. Yet pirate88719 claims he knows they are 2 different people. I think that's taking their being friendlies to a whole new level. The post I made is dated December 4th @ 8:41 pm.

http://besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5518

edited to add; @All, I do have the build I will be doing and really don't have much to discuss since discussing a build in progress isn't really, not sure, but with the details it is necessary tp understand, not sure if everyone would find them interesting.
Until then...

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #111 on:** December 07, 2012, 08:08:14 AM »

Quote from: johnny874 on December 06, 2012, 01:21:39 PM

Bill,
Unlike you and Alan, I do build and I build wheels. Anyone can see where on the 2nd page I tried working with you and tk who is not supposed to be Alan. It is there for anyone to see. Anyway, Alan saying he increased the height of the discharge static head or fountain to increase the pressure in the chamber has nothing to do with the idea posted as you both claim.
Decreasing the height of the inlet tube has only been mentioned by myself yet you say it is clear that Alan demonstrated that in his video.
All you guys showed was a basic Heron's Fountain and at no time addressed the engineering that allowed for the fountain to be observed. It could be because nether one of you have any schooling in engineering.
What is it you say, the 2 of you usually don't post in here but now that you are here, you two claim to be the only people qualified to understand engineering. I disagree with you.
One example is the language Alan uses when harassing Webby1. I think you should be moderating that but you aren't. Interesting. Why not ? Why not tell Webby1 to be nice to Alan as Alan knows what he is talking about ?
And unlike Alan, I served in the U.S> Military because I happen to believe freedom of speech is a good thing even if some people choose to abuse their right to it. Of course, neither of you ever served in the U.S. Military.
And I think it funny you and Alan having nothing better to do than to harass a disabled Vet, how patriotic.

Jim

@all, here is the link to the thread where tinselkoala says I libeled him. Please note I mentioned AB Hammer and not tinselkoala. Yet pirate88719 claims he knows they are 2 different people. I think that's taking their being friendlies to a whole new level. The post I made is dated December 4th @ 8:41 pm.

http://besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5518

edited to add; @All, I do have the build I will be doing and really don't have much to discuss since discussing a build in progress isn't really, not sure, but with the details it is necessary tp understand, not sure if everyone would find them interesting.
Until then...

Captain Oblivious:

So, I guess your answer is that you will continue to mess up my topic with you nonsensical rantings?

TinselKoala · « **Reply #112 on:** December 07, 2012, 08:32:54 AM »

"All".... as anyone can see, the place where johnny the whiner libelled me by his false accusation is ON MY YOUTUBE COMMENTS, as posted in the image above that I keep posting to show exactly where he made his libellous claim. I don't know anything about that silly besslerwheel site, I don't look in there and I certainly haven't posted there.

And "ALL"...... my YouTube videos showing the multiple inner chambers and the floating riser: the TinselZED, were posted to YouTube a week or so before Johnny Whiner's little sketch appeared above. The dates are there for anyone to check and nobody can alter the date of a YT upload.

And furthermore:..... the "language" that I used "against" webby was an exact quote from WEBBY HIMSELF who called me that exact thing before I used it back at him.

Just try to get your facts straight for once, Johnny Whiner.

johnny874 · « **Reply #113 on:** December 07, 2012, 01:25:43 PM »

Quote from: TinselKoala on December 07, 2012, 08:32:54 AM

"All".... as anyone can see, the place where johnny the whiner libelled me by his false accusation is ON MY YOUTUBE COMMENTS, as posted in the image above that I keep posting to show exactly where he made his libellous claim. I don't know anything about that silly besslerwheel site, I don't look in there and I certainly haven't posted there.

And "ALL"...... my YouTube videos showing the multiple inner chambers and the floating riser: the TinselZED, were posted to YouTube a week or so before Johnny Whiner's little sketch appeared above. The dates are there for anyone to check and nobody can alter the date of a YT upload.

And furthermore:..... the "language" that I used "against" webby was an exact quote from WEBBY HIMSELF who called me that exact thing before I used it back at him.

Just try to get your facts straight for once, Johnny Whiner.

You know Alan, you and Bill are sad and pathetic. As I told Stefan, I'll keep him updated on my build, but as the two of you continue to show is that you have nothing.

Bye

TinselKoala · « **Reply #114 on:** December 07, 2012, 03:11:07 PM »

Uploaded to YouTube on August 21, 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bINdCrvZPU4

Uploaded to YouTube on August 25, 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf15cvDVix0

Is that what "NOTHING" looks like?

Or does it look like this:

The first post in Johnny-come-lately's "modified heron's fountain" thread, made on August 30, 2012:

Quote from: johnny874 on August 30, 2012, 05:25:32 PM

Will build when I am able a modified heron's Fountain and will keep the patent rights.
I could use the money. After all, coworkers along with my family have done what they can to keep me from having a family.
Not everyone one in my family is that messed up thankfully but have missed the best part of life because of what other people think.
And when they say turn disability into ability, there always seems to be some jealous person around.

And here is the post, in Bill's thread here, where Johnny-come-lately's little drawing above first appeared, on August 31, 2012.

Quote from: johnny874 on August 31, 2012, 07:01:37 PM

here's a drawing of my version of Herons Fountain.
Because the fill tube has a larger diameter, it can over fill a reservoir beneath it into another reservoir where the discharge tube is located. This barrier would prevent the 2 static heads from balancing themselves which they would do.
If anyone bothers to build Heron's fountain, you'll find out that the discharge tube as in the video is a smaller static head. And it's the mass of the static head that generates the air pressure for pumping out the reservoir where the outlet tube is located.
The top view is looking straight down at it. should give everyone a decent idea of how a simple pmm might be built.

It might be helpful to look at a calendar. If you do, Jimpbo, you might notice that the 31st of August is nearly a full WEEK AFTER August 25th. Or you might not, being who you are. The last time I pointed this out, you accused me of changing the dates of the YT videos!

Now, Johnny Jimpbo has been promising ever since then to make a perpetual motion pump out of this design. Where is it? Oh... that's right, he doesn't have any place to work, and his back hurts, and people are preventing him from having a family.... so he can't do what he claims, but it's not his fault at all.

johnny874 · « **Reply #115 on:** December 07, 2012, 03:43:58 PM »

Quote from: TinselKoala on December 07, 2012, 03:11:07 PM

Uploaded to YouTube on August 21, 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bINdCrvZPU4

Uploaded to YouTube on August 25, 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf15cvDVix0

Is that what "NOTHING" looks like?

Or does it look like this:

The first post in Johnny-come-lately's "modified heron's fountain" thread, made on August 30, 2012:

And here is the post, in Bill's thread here, where Johnny-come-lately's little drawing above first appeared, on August 31, 2012.
It might be helpful to look at a calendar. If you do, Jimpbo, you might notice that the 31st of August is nearly a full WEEK AFTER August 25th. Or you might not, being who you are. The last time I pointed this out, you accused me of changing the dates of the YT videos!

Now, Johnny Jimpbo has been promising ever since then to make a perpetual motion pump out of this design. Where is it? Oh... that's right, he doesn't have any place to work, and his back hurts, and people are preventing him from having a family.... so he can't do what he claims, but it's not his fault at all.

Alan,
You are nothing but a nuisance to me. Can't help having had cancer and complications from surgery. I think it shows your immaturity for making fun of such a serious situation. But as I said, if you and Bill don't insult me, you don't have anything.
And if I associate with someone like you or Bill, I surely won't meet any woman worth knowing, it'd be something about maybe woman don't like guys like you. And the fact that you are married would have to make me wonder about your wife if you act like this around her. Doubt you do otherwise she'd probably leave you. Why don't you do everyone a favor and grow up ?

Jim

TinselKoala · « **Reply #116 on:** December 07, 2012, 03:57:56 PM »

Who are you talking to, Jimbo? My name isn't Alan and I don't even know anyone by that name.

Some people don't blame their lack of performance on their OWN health issues, which just might be as bad or worse than yours, you whiner. You have no idea about my health issues because I don't trumpet them here on the forum looking for sympathy and excuses for not working. And you have no idea whether or not I'm married.... and even if you did, you have absolutely no right or reason to discuss my wife or my relationships. I have never mentioned either topic..... like you do, continuously.

I note that you still cannot refute the DATES, which show that I could not have "ripped off" anything from you.... but you certainly could have taken what you see in my videos and used it however you liked.... since my videos were posted about a WEEK BEFORE you ever even started thinking about a Heron's Fountain.

johnny874 · « **Reply #117 on:** December 07, 2012, 06:28:16 PM »

Quote from: TinselKoala on December 07, 2012, 03:57:56 PM

Who are you talking to, Jimbo? My name isn't Alan and I don't even know anyone by that name.

Some people don't blame their lack of performance on their OWN health issues, which just might be as bad or worse than yours, you whiner. You have no idea about my health issues because I don't trumpet them here on the forum looking for sympathy and excuses for not working. And you have no idea whether or not I'm married.... and even if you did, you have absolutely no right or reason to discuss my wife or my relationships. I have never mentioned either topic..... like you do, continuously.

I note that you still cannot refute the DATES, which show that I could not have "ripped off" anything from you.... but you certainly could have taken what you see in my videos and used it however you liked.... since my videos were posted about a WEEK BEFORE you ever even started thinking about a Heron's Fountain.

Alan,
You were claiming I ripped you off and Bill was saying the same thing. Only because you guys don't know anything.
And when I build, you'll be left out of it. After all, you got bessler007 banned when you were harassing me in my thread because as usual, you have no life and no understanding of engineering. Nothing I can do for you.
When you chose not to learn, that is on YOU. And as for your rants, it is all you know.

TinselKoala · « **Reply #118 on:** December 08, 2012, 12:48:56 AM »

You are funny. You cannot provide any proof or support for your deluded contention that I am "alan" or whoever you think I am today.

You cannot provide any support for ANY of your contentions, in fact. The only thing anyone believes, coming from you, is that you aren't working on something "now", but plan to at some point in the indefinite future.

I have never "gotten anybody banned" from any site anywhere, to my knowledge. Believe me, if I had that power.... you would be outta here right away, until and unless you showed something uniquely yours. But you cannot, all you can do is pollute Bill's thread with your lies and delusions and false accusations.

Let's see some DATES of PUBLICATION from you, that refute my timeline. You cannot provide them. Even YOU know that August 25 comes before August 30. Let's see some ACTUAL SUPPORT for your contention that I am this "Alan" to whom you rant. You cannot provide it, because it is another false contention from you. Let's see some ACTUAL PROOF that you can make any kind of "perpetual runner" at all. You cannot provide it, because you are a lazy whiner and you are wasting your time fooling with designs that are long known to be failures, because you cannot analyze them due to your ignorance of engineering mathematics.

But carry on, nobody is trying to stop you, no matter how much you blame others for your failure to produce. Just stop lying about me and about Bill and about your "work", and pollute your own waters, not those of people who actually are building and testing things.

johnny874 · « **Reply #119 on:** December 08, 2012, 01:30:08 AM »

you're funny alan. when you said I libeled you off this site you gave yourself away.
It's funny what you say about engineering when you have no schooling. You mut be jealous. Get over it is all I can say.
Unlike you, when I build a wheel, it will be one worth my while, not yours.

good bye alan

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