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Author Topic: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity  (Read 151778 times)

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #255 on: February 18, 2014, 01:17:03 PM »
Yes, this additional winding collects the energy in "back emf" and feeds it back to the power supply.

In conventional power supply designs with totem-pole drive, the primary windings usually have clamps or snubber circuits across them.  Often realized as transient voltage suppression diodes ...or zener diodes ...or metal oxide varistors, etc....

The purpose of all of these snubbing/clamping components is to dissipate the energy in unwanted and dangerous switching spikes.   
As a result, this spike energy gets wasted as heat.  The justification for this is that it's better to dissipate those spikes than blow up transistors and other components ...and to create EMI.

This design does not dissipate this unwanted energy but captures it and feeds it back into the power supply.  That's why the caption under the diagram states "...with lossless clamps".

BTW: Those "back emf" collection windings should mirror the main windings (ideally should be wound bifilarly and parallelly with the main primary winding).  If space is an issue, then it is allowable to wind the "back emf"collection winding with a thinner wire than the main winding (but still mirroring it as closely as possible).
Wow!  Great stuff, so looks to me interesting indeed to work with scare shape waves :) Biganos of Cos said the Autogen can be feed to with.

For winding: BlueDragon advised to wrap several wires same time and then you make you connections. Here it would be between the 2 wires of the bifilar. What do you think? Do you think it could fit the requirements of this very interesting transformer?

Thanks for the specifics too about true transformers :)

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #256 on: February 18, 2014, 01:24:43 PM »
Hi Folks,
A quick update on progress:
 - Gate driver attached to IRF450.
 - 15v on the gate from power supply #1
 - 50-60v on the load / drain from power supply #2
 - Signal from USB sig-gen.

Tested with 'scope & a light-bulb load - it works perfectly. Thanks again Verpies & Itsu for your help... :)

Next stage is to test it with my Vialle gen coil & tubes. Maybe tomorrow.

I know I need to add a snubber first... I will probably just connect a diode in reverse across the coil to start off with...

Regards, Tim
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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #257 on: February 18, 2014, 01:36:26 PM »
Oooooooooooh yessss
can you change your IP ?  (it is more than five years of works )
Logically I should be able to do it now has I get a new Internet connection.  But by my location Pascuser who is webmaster too, could recognise me I think while validate my new login ;) but if not stopped by him, I may copy for my own use the whole work so even if my account is them close again, I could have the materials to work on;  but need I could succeed to create the new account and go "off the eyes" of "the owner" of the place ;)

Cheers :)

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #258 on: February 18, 2014, 04:33:19 PM »
For winding: BlueDragon advised to wrap several wires same time and then you make you connections. Here it would be between the 2 wires of the bifilar. What do you think?
Yes, the Aiding Bifilar Winding can be a substitute for a Back & Forth Winding, but it is less symmetrical due to the odd "back connection" and it has more self-capacitance.

However the Bucking Bifilar Winding is not a good replacement for a Back & Forth Winding.
In fact the Bucking Bifilar Winding is a very bad choice for a transformer winding (it's good for a wire-wound resistor, though)

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #259 on: February 18, 2014, 09:00:19 PM »
Show me the voltage waveform between the gate and the source of the MOSFET...

Hi Verpies,
attached are 2 photos of the scope showing the voltage at the MOSFET's gate.
This is with about 10v into the gate-driver...

Yellow trace is the signal-generator - blue is the gate.

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #260 on: February 19, 2014, 01:50:14 AM »
Hi Verpies,
attached are 2 photos of the scope showing the voltage at the MOSFET's gate.
This is with about 10v into the gate-driver...
Yellow trace is the signal-generator - blue is the gate.
Indeed the gate is not charged quickly enough at 1.3MHz and its amplitude suffers (6VPP )
..but at 110kHz it is fine (9.8VPP)

So the prudent thing to do is to increase the power supply to the UCC gate driver to 15V and/or decrease the gate resistors five times (or more).

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #261 on: February 19, 2014, 09:34:03 PM »
Hi Verpies,
attached are 2 photos of the scope showing the voltage at the MOSFET's gate.
This is with about 10v into the gate-driver...

Yellow trace is the signal-generator - blue is the gate.

  Tim,

  The transistor you have, the IRF450 is too slow to switch at 3.6MHz and even at 1.3MHz.
  If you add the switching times given in the datasheet you get 525ns. The total switching time should at least 5 times smaller than the period. To be comfortable, you should aim for 10 times less.
  For 3.6MHz, the period is 277ns and for 1.3MHz is 769ns.
  Therefore the total switching time should be at most 277/5=55.4ns or 769/5=153.8ns.

  Moreover for such high switching frequencies you should choose a SMD case, not a through hole one.

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #262 on: February 20, 2014, 09:38:41 AM »
Yes, the Aiding Bifilar Winding can be a substitute for a Back & Forth Winding, but it is less symmetrical due to the odd "back connection" and it has more self-capacitance.

However the Bucking Bifilar Winding is not a good replacement for a Back & Forth Winding.
In fact the Bucking Bifilar Winding is a very bad choice for a transformer winding (it's good for a wire-wound resistor, though)
Wow! I am amazed how much you are deep in your knowledge on all this stuff!

Very great stuff, imho :) thanks for taking time to provide these interesting details, which all added could make a big difference :) :)

Best regards.
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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #263 on: February 20, 2014, 11:16:39 AM »
Translation of the
3rd Q&A of the present FAQ of the website on the work of Richard

*** NORMAL EFFECT? (Capacitive coupling? electromagnetic shone radiation?  ...) ***
http://richard-vialle.info/

(In agreement to the licence terms of the website, already published and taking no liability for any error of translation or modifications in between of the original terms of licence or of the original terms I translate here. These warnings applies to any writting by me on this website. )

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Q : La surunité ne pourrait-elle pas être expliquée par des phénomènes physique connus (transformateur, couplage capacitif, ondes électromagnétiques, etc.), n'est ce pas le cas ?
● Q: Couldn't the overunity be explained by known physical phenomena appearance  (transformer, capacitif coupling, electromagnetic waves, etc.), is this not the case?


R :  Extrait du document sur la première génération d'auto-générateur de Richard Vialle et autre inventor :
● R: Excerpt of the document on the first generation of Richard Vialle's auto-generator by other inventor:


"Après que j’aie vue cela chez Richard VIALLE, cet aspect de production en sortie [...] m’avait fait penser que le courant de sortie pouvait n’être qu’un effet normal dû à un couplage capacitif entre le bobinage servant de plaque de condensateur et la pince croco (ou tout autre morceau du fil conducteur) servant de deuxième plaque, l’air et le plastique du fourreau les séparant étant le diélectrique. Finalement la pince croco ne ferait que dériver du courant depuis l’entrée, courant qui ne proviendrait d’aucun effet anormal.
● " After I saw it from Richard VIALLE, this aspect of output production [...] had reminded me that the exit current could be only a normal effect due to a capacitif coupling between the winding serving as plate of capacitor and the crocodile clips (or any different piece of the electrical wire) serving as the second plate, the air and the plastic of the sheath separating them being the dielectric. Finally the crocodile clips would only be deriving from the current since the input, current which would come from no abnormal effect.


Après en avoir débattu longuement avec Richard VIALLE et que des tests et mesures aient été menés aussi bien par moi que par Alain B. et Richard VIALLE, on peut affirmer que ce n’est absolument pas un couplage capacitif qui dérive de l’énergie depuis l’entrée qui puisse expliquer ce phénomène.
● Having discussed it for a long time with Richard VIALLE and that tests and measures led as well by me as by Alain B. and Richard VIALLE, we can assert that it is absolutely not the capacitif coupling that derives from the energy from the input which can explain this phenomenon.


Les arguments qui montrent que ce n’est pas le cas : le calcul du courant qui circule dans le très mauvais condensateur constitué par la capacité bobinage/pince croco montre qu’on devrait avoir vraiment beaucoup moins que ce qui sort dans l’ampoule.
● The arguments which show that it is not the case: the calculation of the current which circulates in the very bad condenser constituted by the capacity winding / crocodile clip shows that we should really have much less that what goes out to the bulb. 


Des considérations sur des différences de potentielles nécessaires pour mettre les courants en mouvement par cet effet capacitif en ayant fait de nombreux tests de br anchement de certains points à la masse montrent qu’il n’y a pas de différence de potentielle suffisante.
● Considerations on potential differences  necessary to put the currents in movement by this capacitif effect by having making numerous tests of connection of certain points for the mass show that there is not enough potential difference.


Et des tests de court-circuitage de ce pseudo-effet capacitif par des feuilles d’aluminium reliées à la masse du générateur de fonction montrent que la production de sortie reste présente (très légèrement diminuée).
● And tests of bypassing of this capacitif pseudo-effect by aluminum sheets connected with the mass of the function generator show that the production of output remains present (very slightly decreased).


Donc un effet capacitif, il peut y en avoir un, mais il est largement négligeable face à ce que nous mesurons, et aussi bien les calculs de courant, mesure de différence de potentiel et expérience de court-circuitage de cet effet montrent qu’un large effet anormal subsiste qui n’est pas du TOUT explicable par la dérivation capacitive depuis l’entrée.
● Thus a capacitif effect, can have one but he is largely unimportant compare to what we measure, and as well the calculations of current, measure of potential difference and experiment of bypassing of this effect show that a wide abnormal effect remains which is not AT ALL explicable by the capacitive deriving from the input.


Le rayonnement électromagnétique non plus ne peut pas expliquer ce qui est obtenu.
● The electromagnetic radiation either cannot explain what is obtained.



Non seulement le calcul montre que la bobine réalisée par le fil entourant le fourreau a une longueur totalement inadaptée à un rayonnement de la longueur d’onde émise, même par des harmoniques ; mais de plus l’énergie rayonnée n’est pas suffisante pour provoquer l’éclairage par effet d’induction.
● Not only the calculation shows that the coil made around the sheath has a length totally in disagreement with the radiation of the emitted wavelength, even by harmonics; but even more: the shone energy is not enough to cause the lighting by effect of induction.


Enfin l’enveloppement de l’ensemble du demi-barreau avec son bobinage dans une feuille de papier d’aluminium mise à la Terre a montré que la production de sortie était toujours présente (mais diminuée ; en fait la fréquence d’obtention de surunité était modifiée, en modifiant la fréquence on pouvait obtenir la même luminosité).
● Finally the envelope of the whole half-bar with its winding in an earthed aluminum sheet showed that the production of the output was always present (but decreased; in fact the frequency to obtain the overunity was modified, by modifying the frequency we could obtain the same luminosity). 


Donc le rayonnement n’est pas non plus la cause.
● Thus the radiation is not either the cause.


De toute façon pour terminer, les mesures de puissance réellement consommées en entrée ont ensuite pu montrer que la puissance entrée est très inférieure à la puissance sortie (que la puissance d’entrée soit ensuite rayonnée ou couplée capacitivement à la sortie ou par tout autre artefact, et les pertes par effet Joule dans le bobinage d’entrée qui la consomment).
● Anyway to conclude: the measures of power really consumed at the input were then able to show that the input power is very lower than the out power (what ever the input power is then shone or coupled capacitively with the output or by any different artefact, and the losses by effect Joule in the winding of input which consume it). 


Ceci montre qu’il y a une anomalie et donc bien de la surunité."
● This shows that there is an anomaly and thus indeed overunity. " 

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Wishing this could help,
Best regards,
K.
« Last Edit: June 28, 2015, 08:11:56 PM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #263 on: February 20, 2014, 11:16:39 AM »
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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #264 on: February 20, 2014, 05:14:17 PM »
Hi Folks,
  It's all working ok, and I have some results... :)

1) I'm able to light a small incandescent bulb from the 2 copper tubes in the coil. Picture attached of the setup.
 - The resonant frequency for my 2 6" copper tubes is around 3.7MHz.
 - It is a sharp resonance being much dimmer at 3.6 or 3.8MHz, an the lamp doesn't light at all past about 3.5/3.9Mhz...

2) Power into the transistor is about 60v, and 0.37a (about 22w)

3) The gate-driver setup has a sweet spot at about 5.7v.
 - It keeps the current through the gate & the mosfet reasonably low, but there's a peak of lamp brightness there too.
 - Above 5.7v the load current reduces, and the lamp dims, up to about 7v where it reaches it's former brightness again.

4) The scope shot shows:
 - Yellow - the Gate voltage
 - Blue - the Drain voltage

5) I think my gate driver needs power resistors - the 1/4w ones can't take the current with the full 15v available. They get very hot at 9v.
They're currently at 10 Ohms, I'm tempted to try 5 Ohms to see if I can improve the gate signal.
The UCC211 can handle 0.3a continuous at 18v according to the specs - so a pair of 5 watt resistors maybe?
Maybe I'll just put a load of 1/4w ones together so I don't have to worry about them burning out...

6) In order to measure the input & output HF power, I'd like to build something like Verpies HF wattmeter...
I suppose an off-the-shelf SWR meter would be good enough to make relative measurements though...

:)
Tim

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #265 on: February 20, 2014, 06:59:58 PM »
I've combined 2 lots of 5, 47 Ohm, 1/4w resistors, to make 9.5 Ohms, 1.25w resistors - for the gate driver. I feel much happier now - though they do still get hot at higher volts.

And some more results:
 - I've found a new resonance at 7.3MHz - which lights the bulb more brightly, for less power...
 - and a few others too - here's a list:
 (apologies for the subjective bulb-brightness-units ;) )

  Frequency         Bulb Brightness            Power Supply
-----------------  ---------------------------  -----------------------
 - 1.5 MHz          Weak
 - 1.8 MHz          Less Weak
 - 2.45 MHz        Strong                           0.61a at 46v
 - 3.7 MHz          Stronger                        0.49a at 46v
 - 7.3 MHz          Strongest                      0.42a at 46v

Another note:
 - The ferrite rod-cores make no difference at all to the operation of the device...!
 - I've tried them in and out at the resonance points, and the performance is the same, and the tuning is the same too.

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
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« Reply #266 on: February 20, 2014, 07:42:28 PM »
Another quick update... I added a variable tuning capacitor across the coil - and found that it increases the bulb's brightness (when tuned), and reduces the power draw too. (As suggested...)

The same value capacitance works for both the 3.7 and the 7.3 MHz resonances.

The capacitance required for my coil is about 145pF.

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #267 on: February 20, 2014, 08:04:20 PM »
1) I'm able to light a small incandescent bulb from the 2 copper tubes in the coil. Picture attached of the setup.
Can you estimate the inductance of bulb's coiled filament?

- It is a sharp resonance being much dimmer at 3.6 or 3.8MHz, an the lamp doesn't light at all past about 3.5/3.9Mhz...
...does the MOSFET produce a strong signal above  3.5/3.9MHz ?

2) Power into the transistor is about 60V, and 0.37A (about 22w)
DC ?

3) The gate-driver setup has a sweet spot at about 5.7v.
...
 - Above 5.7v the load current reduces, and the lamp dims, up to about 7v where it reaches it's former brightness again.
That's strange

5) I think my gate driver needs power resistors - the 1/4w ones can't take the current with the full 15v available. They get very hot at 9v.
Yes, they can heat up at high gate currents and high duty cycles.  I think you're running at 50% DUC.

They're currently at 10 Ohms, I'm tempted to try 5 Ohms to see if I can improve the gate signal.
Remember that the UCC driver can be damaged by momentary source currents above 4A and momentary sing current above 8A. So if you are supplying it with 12V then the lower resistance limit for the source resistor is 12V / 4A = 3Ω and for the sink resistor is 12V/8A = 1.5Ω.
You should also try asymmetrical source/sink gate resistors to obtain a symmetrical gate signal.  That's why the UCC driver has separate source and sing outputs.  Adjust those resistors so the gate voltage falls at the same rate as it rises.  Right now the gate waveform rises faster than it falls.

The UCC211 can handle 0.3a continuous at 18v according to the specs - so a pair of 5 watt resistors maybe?
...but the driver is supplying current to the gate only momentarily (not continuously).  The UCC can handle sourcing 4A and sinking 8A momentarily, without a problem if it is supplied and bypassed with a capacitor closely.

Maybe I'll just put a load of 1/4w ones together so I don't have to worry about them burning out...
That's safer than one big 5W resistor because you can accidentally buy a a wire wound 5W resistor that will not work at all as a gate resistor, because of its inductive nature.
When you connect bunch of smaller resistors, make a tight bundle and keep the leads as short as possible.  Remember that the thinner and longer a wire is, the more inductance it has.

The exact formula for the inductance of a straight wire is:  L=0.002*Length*[ ln(4*Length/Diameter) - ¾]
, where length and diameter are expressed in centimeters and the inductance in μH.

6) In order to measure the input & output HF power, I'd like to build something like Verpies HF wattmeter...
I suppose an off-the-shelf SWR meter would be good enough to make relative measurements though...
My wattmeter is still a work in progress. The ADL5391B multiplier for 1GHz is hard to get and the ADL5391A is for 2 GHz, but it is unbuffered so probably high impedance GHz buffers need to be added to its inputs do deal with input offsets.
The off-the-shelf SWR meter should be rated down to 1MHz for your purposes.  They often have a much higher lower frequency limit than that.  So watch out for the upper and lower frequency limits.

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« Reply #268 on: February 20, 2014, 08:28:50 PM »
One more update:
 - I can confirm that removing the bulb causes the power drawn to go up. In other words, adding the load causes the input power to drop.
 - I've tried it with a range of resistances, a rough example:
  - Open circuit 0.5a
  - Short circuit 0.7a
  - 1 Ohm load - 0.4a

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Hi Verpies,
  inductance reduces the output - I tried a series variable inductor, and it just reduced the output. I tried a 10w LED bulb instead, and that was good... I could measure the bulb...?

The MOSFET's good over 10 MHz it seems. The big resistance of the 60w bulb was killing the circuit before. I tried my coil instead - and it worked a lot better.

All my power measurements are DC.

The gate-driver sweet spot has gone away... Not sure why.

I did make a better pair of resistors. I understand what you're saying about making the 2 values different to improve the waveform... Maybe tomorrow...

:)
Tim

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #269 on: February 21, 2014, 07:17:36 PM »
Further tuning.

 - The 145pF capacitance in parallel with the coil is still good.
 - I've tried adding small amounts of inductance & or capacitance in series or parallel with the bulb, and have only seen the bulb dim.
 - I've tried connecting the GND to one or other of the bars - and that gives a small increase in brightness - when connected to either bar.

What's going on...?

Capacitive vs. magnetic coupling...

There are 2 reasons why it looks like the effect is due to capacitive coupling:
 1) The addition of the ferrite cores makes no difference
 2) Placing my hand on the coil makes the bulb go out. If it was magnetic - I don't see how this could happen.

Relative Power Usage

 - The test bulb with 12v DC uses 0.4a, and makes about 40,000 Lux (as tested with a luxmeter at zero distance)
 - If powered by the circuit - the bulb needs about 45v and 0.3a to reach the same brightness. (Ignoring the gate driver)

Questions

 - If it is capacitive coupling, I don't understand why it has particular resonance points. I suppose caps do have their own resonances...
 - I don't really get why the 2 bars inside the coil would be oppositely polarised.

Next Steps

 - I have a ZVS driver with a bad mosfet that I need to fix. Maybe tomorrow.
 - I want to try running the coil with the ZVS driver - it's likely much more efficient.
 - In order to do that - I also have to add another layer of winding to the coil - so there will be two. I know that's not typical for the device, but hey...
 - I might actually just do a new coil, with fat wire - as the ZVS driver prefers lower inductances, and fewer turns.

 

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