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Author Topic: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity  (Read 143068 times)

Offline Khwartz

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #150 on: February 05, 2014, 11:55:37 PM »
Khwartz cannot know that.  It's pure speculation on his part.
See for yourself - my first message in this thread is here.
Note that I had made only technical questions and statements in this thread, without any personal remarks.

As a matter of principle, opposition and criticism of technical ideas is not wrong scientifically and is in accordance with the scientific nature of this forum,
...but wait, I have not even criticized Khwartz or his ideas in this thread - I just pointed out a numerical inaccuracy and asked him some apparently inconvenient questions, to which he did not reply.

If I wanted to get rid of Khwartz, I could have him banned from this forum for misconduct with one PM to Stefan (see forum's rules).

...but I am not going to go that tattletale route.  Instead I am going to point out that the equation:
PAVERAGE = URMS * IRMS * cos(Φ)

is valid only for pure sine waves.

If the continuous Out/In power ratio is really >2 then it should be possible to loop that power and achieve a self-runner within a month.

If that does not happen soon, then the methodology of power measurements will have to be reavaluated, e.g. because:
1) Waveform shapes
2) Crest factors
3) any DC components
4) Quantization errors of ADCs
5) The maximum frequency rating of the RMS or U*I multiplier.
6) The relationship between the sampling rate and the maximum frequency content of the measured signal.
7) Resistance and inductance of current sensing resistors or the frequency response of magnetic current probes,
8) The position of the voltage probe in relation to the current sensing element (before/after).
9) Stray capacitances
10) EMI
...etc.
I said I will no more comment your posts. Troll an other thread!

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #151 on: February 06, 2014, 12:28:58 AM »
For open heart  visitors only:

Know that verpies is NEAR true about the "inaccuracy" of the formulas:

 P = U * I * cos (phi)

for non-pure sinus waves.

What he very "forgets" is that the RANGE of the COP is not of 1.2 or 1.3, where we could have some doubts, but of more than 2.0 (200%).

One who knows about oscilloscope traces and shape of the waves, will see by visual on the oscilloscope screen the ORDER OF MAGNITUDE of the integral of the curve, the measure of the "surface" of the shape of the wave.

Anyway, whatever kind of measurement has been used since, THE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OF THE COPs has been fully confirmed, would be by oscilloscopes, would be by HF WATTMEATERS, and would be by INTRAGRATION OF ANY POINT OF THE CURVES, so been so accurate that we calculate for each very thiny peace of time the actual real power we get.

For information, the self loop have been already made in laboratory, but as used to, verpies HAS NOT TIME TO REALLY READ MY POSTS OR TRULY STUDY THE SUBJECT BEFORE TO SPEAK,  BUT SURE HE HAS TIME FOR CRITICISM AND TAKING OTHERS FOR MORE IDIOTIC THAN THEY ARE... and he is still only interested in trying to discourage anyone to have interest in Richard's works (I don't know if he is even aware of his own intentions but this is very what I can perceive like outload from him; notice he is the inly one from who I could perceive anything like that.)

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #152 on: February 06, 2014, 12:58:39 AM »
@Khwartz
Does it exist a more effecient version than the "U" shape one?
Do you know what happen with JLN? His site have no update since a while... :(.  ?
The U shape allows negative COP, means in addition to feed a load it can feed the power supply too which becomes a receiver. It is more than than infinite efficiency,  so imo hard to do better ;)

Now, what we are looking for is no more the overunity we have achieved since long, but greatter power reproduced at will and fully predictable.

There is BTW a few variation of, like the one with ferrites which looks to better concentrate the magnetic flux of the coil in the core, while it is a very important principle in this device the core be fully magnetically induced at maximum by the coil magnetic flux.

The U shape has just the very advantage to take less place than if 1 m straight and shorten the wires of connection.

A circular one can be made too; no significant difference in its behaviour has been detected as I could know until now.

You can even make several spirals of, it will take even less space.

Then know that the 1 m Richard's Autogenerator should produce up to 6 kW, according to Richard theory but needs to be reproduced at will, and true that the models of calculations needs to be improved to be more accurate.

Hope this has helped you, dear wistiti, and thanks for your interest :)

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #152 on: February 06, 2014, 12:58:39 AM »
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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #153 on: February 06, 2014, 01:06:06 AM »
As I couldn't connect back to cos.com to check if my post was fully OK, I post it here in double, but it is many for the Frenches :
; )

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Hi All! :)

I have tried to contact Selfonlypath, a French Youtuber I know for his great interest in ZPE Quest, for his very high professional  skills in electronics, and mostly for the "selftrigging system" he has developed with others skilled partners on internet.

He was no more reachable on Yotube nor on his web site :/

Lucky enough, a post I made in the thread in ou.com grants us of a PM from Tagor. He gave me news about Selfonlypath.

Here my answer to Tagor wishing he could reach him  (WARNING: it is not because I have talked about PROMTECNO that it obliges anyone in anything, these are only suggestions and ideas I post here so everyone here could react and give one's thought...):

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Hi Tagor.

So very thanks for giving news from [Selfonlypath].

Even if we were not always on the same wave length, may I say, I mostly respect the so very nice and very professional job he made  in zpe researches.

If I had the means I would employ him in this activity.

PROMTECNO would need his professional skills in electronics and is very brilliant selftrigging system for having an automatic search system for keeping tuned with the best Richard's frequency in real time, so selftrigging while the power increase in the Richard's Autogenerator.

You know we have already overunity but we miss the expertise in electronics to acheive systematic results for higher power.

My suggestion would be that [Selfonlypath] rents his time and skill to PROMTECNO, like been "auto-entrepreneur" or "salarié porté" (independent worker but with no engagement and necessicity of minimum  income to function and very easy to manage - he may call me +336 XX XX XX XX - if he want any advise, I have helped several already to have their own activity and I am independent worker too...).

An other idea: I AM SURE HE HAS ALL THE SKILL AND TOOLS WE NEED TO OBTAIN THE ENOUGH POWERFUL AND MASTERED AUTOGENERATOR UP TO POWER HOMES AND SO ON, why not having an agreement (in addition to the previous) he would be emploied in a company the association PROMTECNO would create as a non profit trust? He would have a salary and in a very constructive activity i know he is passionate for. What do you think?

Best regards,
Didier.

PS: I will publish this message in Conspirovniscience, having [Selfonlypath] first name hidden and replace by his nickname, so that the other members of PROMTECNO could express their own thoughts...

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #154 on: February 06, 2014, 07:53:16 AM »


Lucky enough, a post I made in the thread in ou.com grants us of a PM from Tagor. He gave me news about Selfonlypath.



from Dan Combine on evgray
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To all,
 
no, I contacted him recently, and he is still unemployed, no investors, nothing.
As he is still unemployed, he cannot continue the ZPE research anymore due to funding issues.
He has put all his videos private, until better opportunities arise.

 
Note that he is a well respected PhD that got layed off due to company restructuring (crisis etc.).
He has spend 1.5 years full-time on ZPE research, but one day you need to pull the trigger, to maintain a living.
He is now trying to find a senior engineering job, to re-enable an income.
Note also that he is a tantrik yogi. He cannot lie, nor cheat, nor can be greedy. I thought this was important to mention!

-Dan

you need to contact him

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #154 on: February 06, 2014, 07:53:16 AM »
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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #155 on: February 06, 2014, 08:52:01 AM »
Thanks, I will try.

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #156 on: February 06, 2014, 09:50:37 AM »
Quick update: I've been learning about SWR meters, and vector-network analysers / antenna tuners... I'm slowly getting used to the concepts. I *almost* understand Smith charts... I only ever really get things when i can play with them...

I really want a VNA... I looked into making one myself. I found this excellent page on all the different products available - ordered by *how* they work:
 - http://www.rigexpert.com/index?s=articles&f=aas

There are some that are quite affordable - i.e. under £200... Note that a decent SWR meter is at least £70 - and that gives much less info...

But the ones that look best are about £300. Not sure i can justify it...:
 - Sark110 - https://sites.google.com/site/sark110va/home
 - MiniVNA - http://miniradiosolutions.com/minivnapro

I'm considering making my own SWR meter with an arduino, and a directional coupler, and I'd really like to build my own VNA, but that is a big project...

Heatsink glue has arrived. Will complete the amp later. Not sure if my sig-gen will drive the MOSFET directly - so I may have to make a little pre-amp.

:)
Tim

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #156 on: February 06, 2014, 09:50:37 AM »
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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #157 on: February 06, 2014, 04:14:17 PM »
Merci Khwartz!

I will surely replicate when i will have some spare time!

And for Jean-Louis Naudin? some news???

Merci encore pour ton temps!

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #158 on: February 06, 2014, 04:27:33 PM »
If the continuous Out/In power ratio is really >2 then it should be possible to loop that power and achieve a self-runner within a month.
What he very "forgets" is that the RANGE of the COP is not of 1.2 or 1.3, where we could have some doubts, but of more than 2.0 (200%).
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HAS NOT TIME TO REALLY READ MY POSTS OR TRULY STUDY THE SUBJECT BEFORE SPEAKING.
Based on the above quote that's apparently not true.
Actually, Khwarts did not read my post above before stating that "he very forgets" - the very transgression he accuses me of.
I admit that I sometimes do not understand his posts due to grammatical errors, but at least I try to reply.  He does not even make that effort.

One who knows about oscilloscope traces and shape of the waves, will see by visual on the oscilloscope screen the ORDER OF MAGNITUDE of the integral of the curve, the measure of the "surface" of the shape of the wave.

I have a lot of experience in measuring HF power and the COP = ~2 does not impress me as a value that's beyond a measurement error.  I already listed 10 reasons how this can happen:

1) Waveform shapes
2) Crest factors
3) any DC components
4) Quantization errors of ADCs (two such errors get multiplied in power calculations before integration !).
5) The maximum frequency rating of the RMS or U*I multiplier.
6) The relationship between the sampling rate and the maximum frequency content of the measured signal.
7) Resistance and inductance of current sensing resistors or the frequency response of magnetic current probes,
8) The position of the voltage probe in relation to the current sensing element (before/after).
9) Stray capacitances
10) EMI

For information, the self loop have been already made in laboratory,
Really!?
Show us all this extraordinary feat.

BUT SURE HE HAS TIME FOR CRITICISM AND TAKING OTHERS FOR MORE IDIOTIC THAN THEY ARE... and he is still only interested in trying to discourage anyone to have interest in Richard's works (I don't know if he is even aware of his own intentions but this is very what I can perceive like outload from him; notice he is the inly one from who I could perceive anything like that.)
More personal remarks and Ad Hominem attacks.  Note, that this is a blatant violation of the forum's rules and against the common scientific etiquette.
Is Khwartz an amateur scientist/engineer or an amateur psychologist/telepath ?

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #158 on: February 06, 2014, 04:27:33 PM »
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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #159 on: February 06, 2014, 07:50:17 PM »
I could use some advice... I seem to have 2 bad IRFP450 mosfets... I tried the amp - no joy. So I tried my spare - same.

I followed the instructions here for testing a mosfet, and they both failed the test...
http://www.utm.edu/staff/leeb/mostest.htm
http://www.edaboard.com/thread125626.html

Can anyone tell me if there's anything wrong with the above test? Or is there another test?

Maybe I just got sold some rubbish... :(

UPDATE: I found my DMM was only putting out 1.5v in diode test mode. I used the other - and it worked... So now I have to figure out why my sig-gen won't drive the amp...  :-\

It has to be something to do with the negative vs. ground issue...

UPDATE 2: I think the solution is to drive the sig-gen off the same power supply - but I can't do that - it's PC driven etc... So...
I have an arduino, a 40MHz DDS board, and an LED module I can make a sig-gen from - and I can drive it from the same PS...

It's time i got into that sort of thing - so here's my reason... :)

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #160 on: February 06, 2014, 08:31:59 PM »
@tim

Nice to see you just go forward, and far further I can go in electronics   :P

That's very great imo cause we do need these skills :)

Nice to see you "manipulating directly the material" and see what you can obtain from Richard's autogenerator. ;)




@ wisttiti

Nice to know it could have helped you and you are very welcomed for my time :)

For JNL, I will try to ask on cos.com if any knows.

Bien amicalement...




@ All (except verpies ;) )

Still verpies continue to take the Frenches who work on this device, more idiotic than they are and continue to not truly read obsviously the already published data I have summarised here; about which he looks been THE ONLY ONE having "so much" difficulties with my bad english ;D

Well, I have no doubt on his knowledge and skills in electronics, that I far to have and that I even not making of any claim on that point. But still he can't face he only works with the idea that we couldn't have thought to his own objections! I am sure he will experience a big realise, the time he will do :)

In the cos.com community (Conspirovniscience.com community), I have seen many guys coming to help someone in one's replication. It could be to encourage but it could be to correct any point, suggest other veryfications, nor been agree with the results, but I never seen someone yet coming with his big feet to only notice possible outpoints or needs for improvement,  and most of all: without outlining the positive points; do you see what I mean? ;)

The funny things is: far to destabilise me, verpies does help me much! :D You don't believe it? I'll tell you: I was wishing he comes here because I know his background in electronics and physics in general. Reacting he gives much interesting data and notes that I can use to help the community :) :) :)

My job is mainly the one of a reporter here, just here to spread the available data on a device, I think and been not alone to think so, very very promising and the present actual better candidate  for a futur home green power supply; while I can garanty you I have been following much other candidates, here and on other communities (see my YouTube channel, for example).

All the problem was that Pascuser made, imho, the very comprehensive mistake to title and present the subject mainly on his theoretical aspects, and that Woppy didn't continue to publish his replication in this thread but in the French forum, not allowing the community here which hears nothing to the French language ;) to see "by there own eyes", may I say, the results, the measurements and the calculations of the experiments, and this in real time. I think this is what missing the most.

So I am glad from you tim you decided to go on a replication. I am afraid I won't be able to go so far that you intend to go, with better tools I will never have :)

Hope you, wistiti, you will find some spare time too :)

BTW, I was continuing to go through the replication thread of Colas07 which has became a true research thread.

There are many interesting data and I will try to compile or summerise them when I will have complete its study. In a way, the very advantage you will have then by reading me, is that you won't need to go through yourself unproductive tries but you will have the most condensed compilation of actions of success (and could be of unsuccessful paths, but knowing already they have been unsuccessful).

Just to note that if I've talked about the first results of Colas been at the very beginning of 2013, I remember anyone here, there have been registred negative COP, not just 2.6, not just 35, not just INFINITE, but even NEGATIVE COP (the device feeding both the load and the power supply), and this checked by different means.

For those who are enough deficient to not understand my bad english, I remember too that I have already talked about the case of the laboratory and why we can't show the results and why we need enough trained in  electronics (but construcrive minds only ;) ) to reproduce it, while 2 persons at least has testified of the acheivements of the laboratory, of engineer working months full time on the device with huge means in terms of equipments and an unlimited budget.

We, from cos.com, wish that the spirit of community will succeed by the sharing of data and means, to do has well and even better than the laboratory had done.

The good news is: since their own experiments, many progresses have been done on the mastering of the device. I think we are indeed very closed to fully master "the beast" :)

I will continue to do my best to share the informations I could collect from your Frenches buddies; despite any attemp to discourage me to do so ;)

Anyway, if I no more do, I think others can take already the relay now. It was my job to catch attention on this device and I did so, so now I could even retreat! :P but I won't do this pleasure to my contradictor cause here it isn't just about "my little ideas" ; right?  ;)

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #160 on: February 06, 2014, 08:31:59 PM »
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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #161 on: February 06, 2014, 10:38:08 PM »
I followed the instructions here for testing a mosfet, and they both failed the test...
http://www.utm.edu/staff/leeb/mostest.htm
Can anyone tell me if there's anything wrong with the above test?
Yes, the voltage applied to the gate by some multimeters might be insufficient to turn it on.
Also, the gate junction will not hold the charge after the multimeter is disconnected from some transistors with integrated resistors or heavy gate protections.

Or is there another test?
I'd recommend the following test for enhancement mode MOSFETs.
In case a multimeter is not available, you can use a second battery with a light bulb in series, instead of the meter.
The 10kΩ resistor is for safety only (in case the pins of the MOSFET are mixed up) and unmistakeable people can omit it.

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #162 on: February 07, 2014, 12:30:07 AM »
verpies and Khwartz,   I know both of you are good people just trying to get to the truth of free energy.   Please don't let yourselves get stuck in a self running loop of misunderstandings and worse ;)    I think much of the problems are from language (and sometimes the associated differences in general expression).   Lets don't let this thread turn in to a flame war.   It's some very good info and work going on here.   I bought some components in hopes of trying some things with this myself.   I just need to go back to understand how to make the U shaped coil and I'll be ready for some experiments.    Cheers

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #163 on: February 07, 2014, 12:39:32 AM »
Despite what Khwartz thinks, I'd like the Vialle's circuit to have COP > 1, too.
I just don't want it to be another HF power measurement error.

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #164 on: February 07, 2014, 01:04:42 AM »
To answer shortly about measurements:

I have asked on cos.com about the verpies's list, it has been found not long enough!   ::)

Indeed, zgreudz is electronic engineer and runs a whole engineering office, do you know about what? About measurements!   ;D^10

Now, PascUser, Master in physics, confirms that in most of the case all these tools are  not needed, like while we take the signal out of an enough quality amplifier of pure sinus waves. Isn't what verpies said that the formula P = U . I . Cos (pho) "only", so does apply in case of pure sinus waves? ;)

Anyway, only 1 kind of critics are accepted in the cos.com community regarding replications: the ones which

a) explain "why" exactly there is a problem;

b) gives the solution with appropriate schematics and the justification of ots accuracy.


I will see in my means it could run the same way here.


BTW thanks for your help, dear verpies: thanks to you I have learnt much more about measurements :) and great you have answered tim, woth schematics and explainations.

But please, cease to take the systematic point of view that, us, Frenches, we do not know what we are doing; like your said "capa phenomenon", I have checked, it has been well studied alteady, I can tell you in details.

Sorry but indeed, I can't just translate like that all the materials of the French community.

I can understand that extraordinary claims needs extraordinary proves, but please, let me the time to go through all these materials!  :-\

I try first to be synthetic, to summaries, not expect me to go in all details!

Replications should be run here, so you will have the occasion to constructively criticise these replications, questioning the results and I hope proposoting the solutions to make better, otherwise it is me who will ask Stefan to banish YOU, from here, for trolling this thread...

 

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