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Author Topic: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity  (Read 132798 times)

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #120 on: January 31, 2014, 12:10:51 PM »
Anyway, still need to clarify a point with you: if I see something which looks to me against the lessons already taken from the past, lessons which have made the device working, do you want I indicate you it?

Yes, please do. I intend to replicate just as everyone else has done, just in my own way, but if I'm doing it wrong - then I want to know... :)

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~ 48 € for the pipe and 60 € for the copper wire...
Do you have cheap but stable and precise enough frequency generator to advise me? Or any equilavent?

Here's a new 5MHz sig-gen for £25 from china. If you look around you can get a few secondhand bargains too:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/0-5MHz-SG1005-Function-Signal-Generator-Source-Frequency-Counter-DDS-Module-Wave-/251316032611

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With this device it is VERY DIFFERENT than all the others in ou.com which have not been proved as clear and full documented and already replicated by many, like the "RAG" (Richard's AutoGenerator) is; here we have a device who already produces systematically an overunity, that's why it is less, i.m.o., a problem of "finding new ideas" than to do better and more accurately what has been already done.

Can you post a link to the engineers report please? In french is ok...

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But think he said that to be able to go up to the advanced experiments where precision looks to be important...

I have no experience yet of some of the test equipment - like SWR meters etc... I'm looking forward to finding out... Once I get to needing them, I'll be looking for some bargains... Hopefully will have enough precision.

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #121 on: January 31, 2014, 12:22:11 PM »
The 2 copper pipes were 300 mm long right? Could remember me the Richard's frequency for 600 mm? Please.

My 2 tubes are 150mm each - and the brass bolts make them a bit longer.

The coil is about 340mm - so it covers them completely.

The spreadsheet said about 6.5MHz, but when i tested it - it was best at about 3.6MHz - exactly the same as the 1 meter U!? I will be testing it again today - and recording it properly - given time...

For a 600mm tube, the sheet says: 4.64 MHz...

:)
Tim

PS - I am also going to make a longer folded wire core - to see if I can bring the freq down to your sub-1MHz... 15m of wire should do it...

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #122 on: January 31, 2014, 09:12:32 PM »
I've built an amp to drive it... Sames as JNL's:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/rvproject/html/ugentest27.htm

 - IRFP450 - £2.50
 - Heatsink & Wire- from old HiFi - £0
 - Phenolic Base - £2
 - Connector - £1.50 ish
 - Rubber feet - 20p
 - Heatsink glue - 20p
 - Total cost - £6.40 ish

Isn't it cool :)
(I hope it works)

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #122 on: January 31, 2014, 09:12:32 PM »
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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #123 on: February 01, 2014, 09:05:46 AM »
My 2 tubes are 150mm each - and the brass bolts make them a bit longer.

The coil is about 340mm - so it covers them completely.

The spreadsheet said about 6.5MHz, but when i tested it - it was best at about 3.6MHz - exactly the same as the 1 meter U!? I will be testing it again today - and recording it properly - given time...
Sorry to say that but are you sure you aren't still confusing between a search for coil resonance instead of Richard's frequency?  ;) (as BlueDragron already noticed it to you; relevant note or not, see after...)

This is something which intriguing me much and I will need to clarify it with the guys in cos.com: if Richard's frequency couple with a supposed SPECIFIC frequency of the stuck electrons with the nucleus of the copper, how this frequency could CHANGE with the length of the bar?!

Indeed, if the frequency change, so the imposed exciting vibration of the stuck electrons changes. Would mean that has not basically to do with an intrinsic frequency proper to the stuck electrons but would have more to do with looking for a kind of sonic LIKE resonance of the wall bar (the ones which would have the largest amplitude, in the range of sensibility of the nucleus components), so indeed depending of the length and of the material, but could be an ELECTROMAGNETIC one (resonance).

By this resonance, closed enough to the frequency of the nucleus components (would be electrons or not, and probably electrons a per Richard's calculations), these components see indeed their oscillating mouvements strength by vibrational parametric coupling (accumulation of energy in the waves in the the form of increasing amplitude), until a point (could be concerning Ferranti effect but on short distances in this case? Or a like phenomenon of obtention of paroxysmal excitation) so that to be able to, they need to pump zero point energy to maintain their binding with the nucleus; while in between the excitation impulse, in the nodes of the sinus wave, they would release in our dimensions, the energy they had pumped just before in the "ascending" phase of the sinus wave. (Which ould mean the existence of a kind of "one way path" for that kind of energy in this case, a "zpe valve phenomenon").

If my conjecture is true enough, in my understanding, it would explain why Richard's frequency changes with the length and material indeed; do you see what I mean? do you see the tiny conceptual change in the understanding it would be? (If I am not mistaking.)

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For a 600mm tube, the sheet says: 4.64 MHz...

:)
Tim
OK, thanks for specifying :)
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PS - I am also going to make a longer folded wire core - to see if I can bring the freq down to your sub-1MHz... 15m of wire should do it...
You mean like with the JLN'S NextGen?

Any way, you look having made a clean and cheap amplifier 8)

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #124 on: February 01, 2014, 11:17:12 AM »
Yes, please do. I intend to replicate just as everyone else has done, just in my own way, but if I'm doing it wrong - then I want to know... :)
OK, so you have to know that the efficency in the induction between the coil and the core (like copper pipe) looks to be of main importance. So each time you add space in between and/or dielectric insulation, like the thickness of the pvc pipe, you weaken the efficiency, so the outpower you could be able to obtain at the output.

I understand your present configuration helps you to test different cores, but when you have chosen one, better to wrappe as close as possible of the core, the wire of the coil, totally joined enamelled wire directly wrapped on a very thin layer of isulation like Teflon tape, looks having been the best until now.

So, in the same idea, I advise you to change your "female" 10-12 mm copper caps for "male" ones you could weld inside the copper pipe and not outside, while outside it makes exceeding thickness. ;)

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Here's a new 5MHz sig-gen for £25 from china. If you look around you can get a few secondhand bargains too:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/0-5MHz-SG1005-Function-Signal-Generator-Source-Frequency-Counter-DDS-Module-Wave-/251316032611
Wow! Very cheap indeed :) :) :) thanks a lot for the help :p

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Can you post a link to the engineers report please? In french is ok...
Lol, if we had it, we wouldn't have needed to work so hard to recover the way to do! ;)

The problem was Richard had a private sponsor in Switzerland but Richard came in disagreement apparently with the company because the company looked having no intention to spread the device but to keep it secret. So all the équipements and documents have been kept by the company and even were protected by kind of copyright, so couldn't be disclosed. So we only have the memory of Richard (and Pascuser too I think cause helped Richard), as reference, but don't have the details of the electronics, so that is the problem. :/

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I have no experience yet of some of the test equipment - like SWR meters etc... I'm looking forward to finding out... Once I get to needing them, I'll be looking for some bargains... Hopefully will have enough precision.

Regards, Tim
A "miniNVA" could help you but I think it is more than 200 €. Looks Verpies' in/out power comparator could help you if you can do it for a much lesser cost.

http://www.overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/dlattach/attach/130707/


Best regards,
Khwartz

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #124 on: February 01, 2014, 11:17:12 AM »
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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #125 on: February 01, 2014, 12:54:38 PM »
Hi Khwartz,
  I wanted to measure the resonance of the coil itself - with the various core - just to get a feel for it. I had another go yesterday -and got different results... I've had problems with my scope probes affecting the frequency of the circuit - and also my exciter coil had too much inductance...

I will reply to BlueDragon's post on the other forum today...

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This is something which intriguing me much and I will need to clarify it with the guys in cos.com: if Richard's frequency couple with a supposed SPECIFIC frequency of the stuck electrons with the nucleus of the copper, how this frequency could CHANGE with the length of the bar?!

Yes, that occurred to me as well...

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..would have more to do with looking for a kind of sonic LIKE resonance ...

That's an interesting idea... I made a set of tuned windchimes last year, and learned about the modes of resonance you can get with them...

Tubular bell chimes actually have a really wierd set of harmonics - which combine together to sound 'like' the fundamental frequency - but it doesn't actually make the fundamental...

  "The three lowest modes of vibration of a chime tube have frequencies with ratios 2:3:4. The ear perceives this as the pitch one octave below the fundamental by the missing fundamental effect."
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/music/tbell.html

You know how wind-chimes are supported by string about 1/5th of the way down the tube? That's because there's a 'node' at that point - and if you hold the tube there - it only produces the 'fundamental' frequency (i.e. 2:3:4).

Perhaps if the magnetic field was zero, or at least stable, at the node point - it would help the tube 'ring'...

And, if the coil was tuned in just the right way - i think that's exactly what you could get - with standing waves of magnetic field, which have null points in between them... ;)

Nice one :)
Tim

PS - for the signal-generator - if you can buy a secondhand high quality one on ebay - or maybe from a shop where you live - then that may be better than the cheap chinese one...

I have 3 different cheap chinese ones - and they work fine - but you do get what you pay for - and none are perfect.

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #126 on: February 01, 2014, 01:07:44 PM »
when you have chosen one, better to wrappe as close as possible of the core, the wire of the coil..
So, in the same idea, I advise you to change your "female" 10-12 mm copper caps for "male" ones...

Thanks for the tips. I'll see what i can find for inside plugs. After talking about windchimes I'm wondering about having movable plugs - to test the output along the tube - maybe find the 'node' points..?

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Lol, if we had it, we wouldn't have needed to work so hard to recover the way to do! ;) ...

Ah, i see... :/

Talking about the sonic / standing waves idea again... I wonder what the speed of sound in copper is - and whether it is related? Perhaps all these things have to synchronise for full effect...?

:)
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« Reply #126 on: February 01, 2014, 01:07:44 PM »
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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #127 on: February 01, 2014, 02:46:21 PM »
This is something which intriguing me much and I will need to clarify it with the guys in cos.com: if Richard's frequency couple with a supposed SPECIFIC frequency of the stuck electrons with the nucleus of the copper, how this frequency could CHANGE with the length of the bar?!
Perhaps through acoustic standing waves, which are formed by reflections from two ends of the bar and their frequency is determined by the length of the bar and the speed of sound in the bar.

                     Speed of       Speed of       Loss factor         Loss factor
                    Longitudinal      Shear         Longitudinal          Shear
Material            waves          waves            waves               waves
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Diamond      12000m/s
Aluminum       6374m/s       3111m/s      0.00003-0.0001      0.0001
Hard Ferrite   6300m/s 
Steel              5960m/s       3235m/s      0.00002-0.0003
Iron               5957m/s        3224m/s     0.0001-0.0004        0.0002-0.0006
Soft Ferrite    5700m/s
Copper          4759m/s        2325m/s     0.002                       0.002
Brass             4372m/s        2100m/s     0.0002-0.001        <0.001
Gold               3240m/s        1200m/s     0.0003
Lead              2160m/s          700m/s     0.05 - 0.3                0.02

...would have more to do with looking for a kind of sonic LIKE resonance of the wall bar (the ones which would have the largest amplitude, in the range of sensibility of the nucleus components), so indeed depending of the length and of the material, but could be an ELECTROMAGNETIC one (resonance).
By this resonance, closed enough to the frequency of the nucleus components...
Acoustic vibrations are known to affect nuclear structures.  There is even a book about it here.

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #128 on: February 01, 2014, 03:02:08 PM »
Perhaps through acoustic standing waves, which are formed by reflections from two ends of the bar and its frequency is determined by the length pf the bar and the speed of sound in the bar.
Acoustic vibrations are known to affect nuclear structures.  There is even a book about it here.

Nuclear Acoustic Resonance, new one on me, cool, thanks Verpies :)

Reminds me of Keely... His research was so different from most - using acoustics...

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #129 on: February 01, 2014, 05:43:23 PM »
I've had quite a few problems measuring resonant frequencies... So, the last set of results are only useful as a relative guide.
 - Capacitance in scope probes. (Solution - Input signal probe left off)
 - Capacitance in signal generator. (Solution- an extra earth wire to the coil)
 - Too much inductance in exciter coil(?) (5 turns replaced with 2)

I've measured resonances for the 2 copper cores at a range of frequencies from 3.5MHz up to 25MHz - depending on the method chosen. So the results are somewhat inconclusive - and suggest the circuit as a whole is resonating, rather than the bars alone at some specific freq.

My current best estimate for the Vialle resonant freq of the bars is 7.9MHz - which is considerably higher than the predicted 6.5MHz...

I think I'll have to try it with more power - using the amp - and see how it behaves then. That'll have to wait for the heatsink glue.

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #130 on: February 02, 2014, 10:55:13 AM »
Khwartz,
  I read the comments about 'standard resonance' vs. Vialle resonance on , and i think I'm only seeing the standard version ATM. The amp should help...

I'm re-reading some Keely stuff. This one's interesting - and it could be related...
 "Sound and Gravity" - http://www.keelynet.com/davidson/sound1.htm

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #131 on: February 02, 2014, 11:14:53 AM »
Hi tim and Verpies.

Very thanks for your contributions :)

I hope I will be able to answer or comment in more details soon.

For now I would like just to point out I was more about true electromagnetic resonance like based on the speed of the electronic phase wave in the material (~ 277 000 000 m.s^-1 for the pure copper), but any synchronisation with soundwave could be interesting too, indeed! (Thanks Verpies to remember resonance magnetic effect studies :) and very great you have developed skills about waves, dear tim, cause all is about waves in physics, imo :) ).

May one of you calculate the resonance modes of copper bars, based on the speed of the electronic phase wave? Looking for the parallel with the WSR (which is itself related to the fourth lengh wave and Ferranti effect)? And see if we could find something approaching Richard's frequency or the one you find experimentally?  ;)

Best regards to all and see you hopefully tomorrow :)

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #132 on: February 03, 2014, 07:46:47 AM »
Hi Khwartz,
  I wanted to measure the resonance of the coil itself - with the various core - just to get a feel for it.
Understand :)


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I had another go yesterday -and got different results... I've had problems with my scope probes affecting the frequency of the circuit - and also my exciter coil had too much inductance...
OK.

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I will reply to BlueDragon's post on the other forum today...
Very good, he very well knows about all of this.

Colas07 and Bigaros, in addition to Pascuser have much practice of the device.

Bigaros is one of the firts having replicated the avalanche effect, if I am not mistaking,  but sure he has worked on it.

Colas tries to replicate it systematically and get skills in tuning with the help of the Smith chart. I am still continuing to go through the 18 page of his very interesting replication which has became a real research now.


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Yes, that occurred to me as well...

That's an interesting idea... I made a set of tuned windchimes last year, and learned about the modes of resonance you can get with them...
Could probably help us indeed you know that stuff now :)

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Tubular bell chimes actually have a really wierd set of harmonics - which combine together to sound 'like' the fundamental frequency - but it doesn't actually make the fundamental...
:) In the TPU replication here in ou.com, if I remember well, few sent 3 frequencies at the same time to run the device and were much about and skill to produce accurate frequencies, very precised and stable I suppose, frequencies like with using vacuum tubes instead of usual silicon electronics.

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  "The three lowest modes of vibration of a chime tube have frequencies with ratios 2:3:4. The ear perceives this as the pitch one octave below the fundamental by the missing fundamental effect."
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/music/tbell.html
Interesting, thanks for sharing :)


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You know how wind-chimes are supported by string about 1/5th of the way down the tube? That's because there's a 'node' at that point - and if you hold the tube there - it only produces the 'fundamental' frequency (i.e. 2:3:4).
Very interesting indeed :)


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Perhaps if the magnetic field was zero, or at least stable, at the node point - it would help the tube 'ring'...
I follow you :) but the waves lengths are not of the same magnitudes ;)


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And, if the coil was tuned in just the right way - i think that's exactly what you could get - with standing waves of magnetic field, which have null points in between them... ;)
That is the TPU base. It is in the nodes, null points, the extra energy coming from zpe is supposed to come in our dimensions. But remember these are just conjectures and has not been truly proven nor verified.

Otherwise, not sure we can produce "nodes" of magnetic field. Of voltage, current, wave phase, but for magnetic would need to ne checked, if magnetic field is not already a steady standing waves system.

Would we have a kind of phase wave for a magnetic field?

But "ringing" devices were made until now by voltage and current waves.

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Nice one :)

Lets see if we can do something with ;)

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Tim

PS - for the signal-generator - if you can buy a secondhand high quality one on ebay - or maybe from a shop where you live - then that may be better than the cheap chinese one...

I have 3 different cheap chinese ones - and they work fine - but you do get what you pay for - and none are perfect.
Very Thanks for the advise, dear tim, but for now I can't afford probably, even for a second hand. But I will look for the price and the disponibility. I will ask Colas and BlueDragon for the specifics of such material. Woppy told me that if he can he will buy one for his possible replication :)

Best regards,
K.

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #133 on: February 04, 2014, 10:10:12 AM »
May one of you could calculate the resonance modes of copper bars, based on the speed of the electronic phase wave?
How is that different from a ¼-wavelength EM antenna ?
What is the direction of propagation that you envison?

P.S.
If you assume that electrons are responsible for the electric current in a solid conductor, then their speed calculates to be very slow (on the order of cm/h).  Though, it is only an assumption, based on the prevalent inability to form an alternate explanation for current conduction in solid conductors.

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« Reply #134 on: February 04, 2014, 10:15:44 AM »
I'm re-reading some Keely stuff. This one's interesting - and it could be related...
 "Sound and Gravity" - http://www.keelynet.com/davidson/sound1.htm
The nuclear frequencies, that the author describes in this article, are known to be dependent on magnetic flux density.  e.g. for Copper, this resonance occurs at 1132Hz/Gauss,  1110Hz/G for Aluminum, 1058Hz/G for Manganese, 267Hz/G for Zinc, 138Hz/G for Iron (saturated), etc...

Hence, in Earth's magnetic field of 0.5G, Copper atoms will resonate at 566Hz and in the field of a strong electromagnet or a permanent magnet (e.g. 10000G), copper atoms will resonate at 11.32MHz.

The author of this article has taken his research further and patented this device.
The device described therein uses acoustic vibrations in a magnetic circuit containing a PM, to produce excess energy.

 

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