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Author Topic: FDM - flux displacer motor by Igor Knitel (Perihelion Labs)  (Read 31076 times)

Offline wizkycho

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FDM - flux displacer motor by Igor Knitel (Perihelion Labs)
« on: August 27, 2012, 10:36:27 PM »
Hi all !
 
this is where I left off in field of PM Only motors, and this is where I really "felt the force"
http://www.overunity.com/316/rotational-pmm-by-wizkycho/msg151552/#msg151552
but realized - it is repulsion type device and eventually it is prone to weaken or even lose magnetic field of PMs. (so not practical)
 
Now I present you pure attractional type device with really great properties:
 
- capable of COP 15 or higher
  (i used 4 segments if used more COP increases proportionaly)
- Input Rotor needs mechanicall energy only to overcome friction
  (regardless of number of segments and regardless of how heavy load is on Output Rotor)
  In return IR creates four (in my setup) fluctuating (0.03T to 0.8T) and rotating magnetic fields
  that are strongly attracting (repositioning) permeable material on Output Rotor
- whatever is happening with Output Rotor -> Input Rotor is not influenced, not even a bit. -> Load is not transfered to Input Rotor whatsoever
 
The simplicity, energy gain, ammount of energy at output and longevity is just wonderfull
think of it - this is very powerfull device and most powerfull of devices that we currently have blueprints and understanding of how to build it.
           I came up with this idea after many experiments conducted by mr. Hildebrand, Genesis and many members of OU.com , me included.
            http://www.overunity.com/1319/magnetic-energy-pump-ou-motor/msg164396/#msg164396
 
                                                Congrats to mr. Calloway on his working V-Track motor (http://www.youtube.com./watch?v=oJv58SXx2V8)
 

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Re: FDM - flux displacer motor by Igor Knitel (Perihelion Labs)
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2012, 11:14:21 PM »
@Harti
greetings
FDM_v1_anim_mid.gif is static it should be animation ?

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Re: FDM - flux displacer motor by Igor Knitel (Perihelion Labs)
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2012, 10:44:36 AM »
Hi all !
i'm bit dissapointed
that You all have been unable to see that my device (FDM) is the best way to achieve overunity.
is there OU device with more powerfull output or higher gain then FDM and with complete blueprints ? please do enlighten me !
Recent topics are just chasing milliwats or mere fog with hazy incomplete data.
please, just prove my following claims wrong !:
- capable of COP 15 or higher
  (i used 4 segments if used more COP increases proportionaly)
- Input Rotor needs mechanicall energy only to overcome friction
  (regardless of number of segments and regardless of how heavy load is on Output Rotor)
  In return IR creates four (in my setup) fluctuating (0.03T to 0.8T) and rotating magnetic fields
  that are strongly attracting (repositioning) permeable material on Output Rotor
- whatever is happening with Output Rotor -> Input Rotor is not influenced, not even a bit. -> Load is not transfered to Input Rotor whatsoever
Thanks
Igor Knitel
 
 

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Re: FDM - flux displacer motor by Igor Knitel (Perihelion Labs)
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2012, 10:44:36 AM »
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Re: FDM - flux displacer motor by Igor Knitel (Perihelion Labs)
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2012, 12:20:34 PM »
This might not work as you expect it to. You might look in all the lafonte research to see why. And don't highjack other threads, it's kind of rude.

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Re: FDM - flux displacer motor by Igor Knitel (Perihelion Labs)
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2012, 01:00:16 PM »
@broli
  Exactly why do You think FDM would not work
please be exact, where do You think is an error.
  I'm only stating my well educated opinion, based on exact experiments
and this is not Your call to shush me. Or Big Money got You Too...
such a pitty if so cause You had brilliant and applicapable Lorentz force ideas...
 
Free Energy and Overunity lives forewer
We shall never surender
Perihelion Labs
CEO Igor Knitel
 
now lets talk about OIL disasters, Green House effect., draughts,  and possible annihilation of animal and possibly human species
and a Cure for all that tremendous stupidity (hope that Einstain was not right bout one thing - that stupidity is most powerfull force in universe):
We must allways prove him wrong about that thing over and over again PERPETUALY.
 
so where do you think FDM is not working as stated ?
 
All the best
 
Igor Knitel
 
 
 

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Re: FDM - flux displacer motor by Igor Knitel (Perihelion Labs)
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Re: FDM - flux displacer motor by Igor Knitel (Perihelion Labs)
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2012, 01:57:02 PM »
Hi all !
 
can somebody supply me with or recommend where to order:
laser or water cuted silicon iron sheets (low frequency 50-60Hz - transformer grade material)
if sheets are thick 0.5mm then need 50 sheets
if sheets are thick 0.3mm then need 75 sheets
dimmensions are on attachment
I'll send vector file format for CNC, not jpg, if needed.
 
anybody !
kind regards
 
Igor Knitel
 
 

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Re: FDM - flux displacer motor by Igor Knitel (Perihelion Labs)
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2012, 06:36:44 PM »
This is an interesting design in that it appears to meet all the right field conditions. Where are all the cad plans with the details?

I usually like to reverse the conditions in the two rotor systems to investigate the operational problem so here is another concept.

Suppose the outer rotor is stationary and the inner rotor is only for control and can rotate about 90 degrees and the STATOR is now the rotor.
Do the same conditions exist for operation? This design would require no input and is exactly the same provided there is no drag on the input rotor as stated.



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Re: FDM - flux displacer motor by Igor Knitel (Perihelion Labs)
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Re: FDM - flux displacer motor by Igor Knitel (Perihelion Labs)
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2012, 07:11:03 PM »
Interesting but I think you are over a lot of people's heads with this and well beyond most peoples capabilities to build a unit like this.  If you believe it will work and have the ability to build it then that would be great.  I think there are a few people here who could analyze this to see how well it might work.  If you have more detailed plans or pictures that may help get more comments.  We would all love to see a COP >15 or even great than 5 motor. 

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Re: FDM - flux displacer motor by Igor Knitel (Perihelion Labs)
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2012, 08:14:23 PM »
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Re: FDM - flux displacer motor by Igor Knitel (Perihelion Labs)
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2012, 10:56:37 PM »

Hi wizkycho,


I like the idea. Magnets in inner rotor create and control field intensity bottoms in stator steel while outer rotor follows the field peaks. Indirect 1:1 magnetic coupling.


Construction does not look cheap to me. Inner rotor would probably need custom made magnets. Stator ring needs to be sufficiently big to accommodate inner rotor. Definitely a >100€ build.


regards,
Marcel

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Re: FDM - flux displacer motor by Igor Knitel (Perihelion Labs)
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2012, 07:10:22 PM »
Ok, so here are the results I find.
No matter how it looks, the results indicate no torque is produced.
The primary reason is because placing the magnet inside the ring magnet to absorb the flux does not only absorb the flux but draws more flux from further away to replace the void of flux so nothing really changes.

This did of course lead to another concept that I show in the second picture. The shaded pole rotor!
With the rotor plugged with loops of copper, the exit field will be shaded and should have less attraction on exiting the steel stator.

On approach, the field moves between the copper loops and is unimpeded, but as the rotor turns the field must move through the rings and is delayed at exit and should be much weaker.

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Re: FDM - flux displacer motor by Igor Knitel (Perihelion Labs)
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Re: FDM - flux displacer motor by Igor Knitel (Perihelion Labs)
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2012, 05:10:43 PM »
I made some changes to increase the effect on the original design to see if any torque can exist with this type of concept.

In fact when one half of the ring magnet is shaded with steel plates and another magnet to adsorb the field, the results do show some torque!

The rotor in this picture shows a torque of .08 foot pounds in the clockwise direction as expected.
I'm thinking if the slits in the plate were angled, the torque might increase.

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Re: FDM - flux displacer motor by Igor Knitel (Perihelion Labs)
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2012, 05:14:27 PM »
In Maxwell 3d I learned that accuracy depends a lot on element size. I use it mainly to visualize fields and leave the rest to my brain.

This concept is very similar to many lafonte like ideas I have been simulating the past year. In most if not all of the designs the air gap was very important, the smaller the better, however the simulation had to be more accurate because of this so I had to increase the element size in some areas. This proved to be quite a heavy burden when you don't have a mini super computer at your disposal.

This is why I told him it wouldn't work, especially if the airgap between rotor and stator is tiny. But don't take my word for it, experimentation is always key. And you don't need a laminated stator to prove the concept just use solid machined steel blocks and make sure you have a tight airgap, then slowly rotate the inner rotor and see if the outer rotor will follow.

Lumen also made an interesting remark about the generator side of this concept. Which is what I have been exploring for a while now.

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Re: FDM - flux displacer motor by Igor Knitel (Perihelion Labs)
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2012, 12:21:09 PM »
do not now where you guys wen't wrong with input parameters !
let's simplify this:
If InputRotor is certain to reroute (not shield) magnetic field
and therefore make gradient field (from 0.03T to 0.8T) at output rotor
 - output rotor indubidably produces force vectorized from lowest to highest field strenght (this is a must)
 
I allso use simmulations and calculations
how to best reroute magnetic field of ring magnet (see FEM analysis above) (I suppose there is your error in Your simmulation)
but there are allso real experiments made to observe rerouting of magnetic field and make it appear where it is needed.
 
@broli
some LaFonte designs are not working, some really do (interaction of Magnet - and so called Fanners
works very good in FE mode... many other more or less complex LaFonte designs works too)
 
wiz
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: FDM - flux displacer motor by Igor Knitel (Perihelion Labs)
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2012, 12:28:53 PM »
I'll start building version 2 cause it is easier to build and experiment with
from some aspects - exp. distances, stator - input rotor,stator - output rotor
I've ordered a ring magnet
 
broly and lumen shall prepare necessery simmulations
this time with correct parrameters
 
wiz

 

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