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The correct theory of electricity
« on: August 17, 2012, 06:14:56 PM »



My friends !


Let me put here a crazy theory I'm fighting with in my mind for a few years. I believe in law of simplicity - truth must be simple not complicated ! With so many various theories in the past from various persons there must be a "common denominator" , something which is the real fact behind the varous barriers of comprehention.


So here is a preliminary attempt to resolve problem :


What is electric current ? I found that it is nothing more but what we were looking for more then age - longitudinal sound wave in ether. Electrons are small bullets and small magnets pushed by this sound wave. When they are pushed they flip around producing magnetic field ad flip back producing local electric field pulse (dielectric). It is only the matter of experimental checks to see about magnetic field in space aka electro-magnetic  wave to have clear picture of situation , because the bounded spin magnetic field of electrons makes it unnecessary complicated when we use conductors. So finally I want to state this , however I cannot yet prove it:
Ed Leedscalnin was correct about electric current : it is a sound like wave with magnetic part rotating like corkscrew around the center unipolar electric field not undulating (even more , i would state that it's only that magnetic part what is real and electric is a push forward of this screw!) This is basic DC, and it can propagate in space too without resistance - this is scalar wave or longitudinal wave.(proof : various experiments of exploding tiny wires from capacitive discharge described in Tesla article also 'On dissipation of electricity in Hertz oscillator"). Interesting that two kinds should exists : positive and negative depending on rotation direction.


Once scalar wave hit conductor it moves along and depending on frequency it looks like normal electricity or cold current (yes it depends only on that) - cold current being ultra high frequency aka electrostatics.
When disturbed in space (vacuum) it starts to undulating like a spring !, the same if we modulate it - in space it become EM radiation , in conductor we call it - AC current. EM radiation flows in such form in  free space, when we measure it looks exactly how explained in books because the screew peaks with applied modulation looks like a transverse wave and pushing action (electric mode) is also wave-like.
Now you see why radiant energy is so elusive - it is current ! It is hard to make it in air because of ionization catching it and slowing considerably exactly like electrons in conductor but even more (ions are heavier and probably cannot flip in space so freely) - famous stinging effect is because of slow repetition of creating this effect, but in high and ultra high frequency it is electrostatic field.


Now time to solve resistance mystery and bad formulation of energy conservation law !




even if you don't accept my theory please think a little about it. Took me years to comprehend it in such manner. Btw this is probably what James Clerk Maxwell though about originally - a tube of force in space being the elementary etheric flow and a basic for all forces. When we have kind of vortex of a lot of such tubes we have our magnetic field like in permanent magnet.


Together we can formulate theory and correct the missing pieces like comprehension of currently only defined elements like charge, potential , fields like gravity and incorrect definitions like work or badly formulated laws like energy law.
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The correct theory of electricity
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Re: The correct theory of electricity
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2012, 02:47:14 PM »
Interesting post but still unclear to me.
I recently finished some work on what Dr. Tesla considered 'radiant energy' to be and the thought process that led him there. The short answer is from Tesla’s Latest Roentgen Ray Investigations, Electrical Review, New York 28 No.17, April 22. 1896): '…streams resembling the cathodic must be emitted by the sun and probably also by other sources of radiant energy, such as an arc light or Bunsen burner.'
His theory changed over time and he later saw that the 'radiant energy' was emitted by all stars in the universe rather than just the sun. We are truly awash in a sea of energy.
See attached files. The timeline file needs to be viewed with high screen resolution.
I would surely like to hear your opinions on how this fits into your theory.

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Re: The correct theory of electricity
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2012, 05:06:17 PM »
This is what Moray thought and used in his Earth and air machine that ran 100 watt light bulb only from an 8 foot high "antenna wire" and a 9 foot ground rod using his special diode and capacitors to collect that energy and convert it usable power . It was reported that as long as the ant and ground are there the out put to light all his 100 watt Edison bulbs with "cold electricity than could flow threw a sheet of glass on the output wires . Very interesting and doable project . If fact it's already been done and is reported that you can make this deice in little modules and 100 of these modules would run your house . two little modules put out over 75watts with a deep ground rod and 60 feet in the air wire hung from trees with insulators .

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Re: The correct theory of electricity
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2012, 06:06:52 PM »
Do you have links or references where I could find more information about the Moray replication? I'm somewhat familiar with Moray's work and would very much like to look at the replication info.

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Re: The correct theory of electricity
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2012, 09:37:26 PM »
@gadget:


What volts/amps do you get with that circuit?


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Re: The correct theory of electricity
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2012, 09:48:33 PM »
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What volts/amps do you get with that circuit?


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@truesearch read the links i posted . capable of charging a 12 volt battery . He has build a BIG Board of these. Check it out."quote:This arrangement provides serious power, enough to cause injury to, or kill a careless human. With two modules, it will light an LED very brightly, driving it to 2.6 volts.  If the LED is removed, then the voltage climbs to about twenty volts and is easily sufficient to charge a 12V battery or battery bank although that takes time.  With twenty modules as 12V battery can be charged over night.  It is estimated that with two hundred modules, the power would be sufficient to power a household although that has not yet been done.  It should be borne in mind that each module is easy and cheap to make, so arranging for a stack of them where additional modules can be added at a later date for more power, is an ideal arrangement.

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Re: The correct theory of electricity
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2012, 12:01:20 PM »
Interesting post but still unclear to me.
I recently finished some work on what Dr. Tesla considered 'radiant energy' to be and the thought process that led him there. The short answer is from Tesla’s Latest Roentgen Ray Investigations, Electrical Review, New York 28 No.17, April 22. 1896): '…streams resembling the cathodic must be emitted by the sun and probably also by other sources of radiant energy, such as an arc light or Bunsen burner.'
His theory changed over time and he later saw that the 'radiant energy' was emitted by all stars in the universe rather than just the sun. We are truly awash in a sea of energy.
See attached files. The timeline file needs to be viewed with high screen resolution.
I would surely like to hear your opinions on how this fits into your theory.

Stunning work ! I'm very impressed. I agree with all conclusions, some of them I do not fully comprehend yet. For example I'm fully aware that sun is electrical phenomenon and energy from it is running Earth wheelwork. Clearly I don't see how a metal ball like Earth can sustain itself magnetic field able to cope with solar wind if not powered by external forces.
I know that Tesla worked with one wire energy transfer starting from 1890 or 1889 investigating the bulb powered by one terminal of HV coil but what it bother me must is that even if there was only one terminal in every case existed also the second terminal. Even if he put a standing wave on long conductor with a bulb at the and and a capacitive insulated plate as a reservoir , the second terminal was there balanced with another plate or ground.
Even so called Tesla coil still has the second terminal grounded or connected to primary (and then grounded or floating).

As you see it's not a finished theory I have - it's a partial ideas only mstly due to personal limitation and the school which taught me wrong ideas and I cannot ride them out . I'm fighting with ground system and single wire transmission and closed loop systems and how it all cooperate together especially when we add Earth electrical system.

However if every electrical device really has to have two terminals and closed loop even if capacitively or inductively arranged (even if it looks like closed path is missing) then the main question arise : where is the second terminal of our solar system wheelwork ? Is this the center of galaxy or something else ?

Your timeline is missing one small but important fact. You should know why it is so important.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/esp_tesla_27.htm

I see somebody was interested to find more about this Clemente Figueras who sparkled Tesla interest in 1902. If we could get any pictures of his machine it would be a tremendous help.

http://es.globedia.com/enigma-clemente-figuera-maquina-energia-infinita
http://orbo.es/?p=26

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Re: The correct theory of electricity
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2012, 06:56:40 PM »
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I'm fighting with ground system and single wire transmission and closed loop
systems...
I'll give you my interpretation which may or may not be correct. Don't think of the transmission line as part of the system of connections. To simplfy it think of transmitting a signal, not power. The transmitter is one device. It has a power source and a ground. It transmitts by inducing a current in one wire. That wire if just a wire. It has no source of its own nor a ground connection. The receiver receives the power from that one wire via induction from the one wire into the receiver. The receiver also has it's own power source and ground system to tune it to the frequency of the transmitter's induced signal. There is no return from the receiver to the transmitter. It is similar to a regulor radio of today in that the radio station transmits and the receiver receives. They both have a power source and ground but there is no return connection between them. But Dr. Tesla's system is different in that it doesn't transmit transverse waves but uses the conductance of the atmosphere or the crust of the earth to transmit that longitudinal wave. While the transverse wave is similar to tying one end of a string to a fixed object and jerking the free end up and down creating a wave in the string that is damped by the interaction with air, the longitudinal wave is more like a hose filled with water that has a piston in each end. Push the piston on one end and the piston on the other end moves. It is a compression wave or a change in pressure density inside the hose. Here's a couple of links that clarified it for me:
http://amasci.com/tesla/tmistk.html - specifically see figure 2
http://www.acs.psu.edu/drussell/Demos/waves/wavemotion.html - waves
http://www.scribd.com/doc/87370681/Fritz-Lowenstein-Capacities-1916 - spherical capacitors
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Your timeline is missing one small but important fact. You should know why it is
so important.
I read Dr. Tesla's book but had never seen that article. Many thanks...I think. While reviewing that article and updating my document I had what might be a brainstorm, or maybe, a brain fart. I haven't decided yet.
I have been looking at Dr. Tesla's work on a global scale and considering the planet and its atmosphere as a capacitor from which we can extract power but consider the following.
Definition of a semiconductor: : “A semiconductor is a substance, usually a solid chemical element or compound, that can conduct electricity under some conditions but not others, making it a good medium for the control of electrical current. Its conductance varies depending on the current or voltage applied to a control electrode, or on the intensity of irradiation by infrared, visible light, ultraviolet, or X rays.” http://searchcio-midmarket.techtarget.com/definition/semiconductor
The “usually a solid chemical element or compound” means “usually today”, as in solid state semiconductors. Dr. Tesla, however, had shown with his various high voltage, high frequency experiments that air and the atmosphere itself can be a semiconductor in that it can “conduct electricity under some conditions but not others”. In fact when you see lightning or a spark in a spark gap you are seeing air acting as a voltage controlled semiconductor. So the spark gap was the “semiconductor” of Dr. Tesla’s day at least up to the point where the Crookes and Lennard vacuum tubes came into play.
In light of the above observation about semiconductors, can we consider the earth as the drain region, the upper strata of the atmosphere as the source region, the high frequency, high voltage spark gap device as the gate region and the atmosphere between them as the depletion region of a transistor? When the HF/HV spark gap device (gate) is activated it transforms the atmosphere (depletion region) from the non-conducting state to a conducting state and opens the conducting channel between the cosmic rays and whatever we use to receive the energy. If the voltage supply is constant we get an arc (a steady flow) instead of a spark and when the arc is rapidly quenched we get a pulsing, unidirectional conducting channel.
Actually, many thanks, indeed, to you.
It's the brain storm/fart that has me aggravated because now I have to rethink the whole scenario of Dr. Tesla's work in terms of a planet sized FET transistor where the cosmic rays are the source, a capacitance (the earth or otherwise) is the drain, and Dr. Tesla's device is the gate actuating mechanism whereby we open a conducting channel between the cosmic rays and whatever our ground or 'virtual ground' is.

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Re: The correct theory of electricity
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Re: The correct theory of electricity
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2012, 07:52:05 PM »
Isopropyl alcohol vapor capacitor, an extreme high-voltage semiconductor.

Like a sealed Leyden jar but full of the alcohol vapor instead of water. Try to get all the air out and just have the saturated vapor in there. There is an explosion hazard so don't use glass and do wear safety glasses.

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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2012, 09:12:23 PM »
To be precise : IMHO in 1902 Tesla stated he knew about the method of joining generator and motor (not necessary in physical form as we know it today) to be self-sustaining and producing useful power in small amount. That was what Clemente Figuera most probably did according to partially recovered patents. This is not about athospheric electricity, not air , not ions. It's all about radiant energy or radio energy. As Tesla stated Hertz waves simply do not exists, because there cannot be transverse waves in fluid like ether. Transverse waves are possible only on boundaries of two mediums of different structure like rope and air, water and air. Exception : very wasteful but possible are tranverse waves between areas of fluid of different properties, like between pure liquid and a vortex in liquid.

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Re: The correct theory of electricity
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2012, 01:04:01 AM »
Isopropyl alcohol vapor capacitor, an extreme high-voltage semiconductor.

Like a sealed Leyden jar but full of the alcohol vapor instead of water. Try to get all the air out and just have the saturated vapor in there. There is an explosion hazard so don't use glass and do wear safety glasses.

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Re: The correct theory of electricity
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2012, 07:14:15 AM »
So since when did capacitors become semi conductors?

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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2012, 11:23:51 AM »
So since when did capacitors become semi conductors?

Since I used an isopropyl alcohol vapor capacitor in a high voltage circuit at 60 kV and demonstrated (to the usual high-level physicists who must remain nameless) that it could act as an amplifier in the same manner as a bipolar transistor, when its internal field was manipulated by subtle changes in geometry.

This was before it exploded, of course.

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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2012, 11:35:03 AM »
Are you sure it was like that?
I mean vaying geometry sounds a bit like varying capacity.
And no gas filling is going to withstand 60KV it will ionize the moment you give it some juice.
Or explode indeed given it cointains the correct mixture but then it would not be a pure gas inside.
That sounds more like a plasma tube then a capacitor to me.
Then it can be possible it functions as some sort of gas filled cold cathode vacuum tube but amplifying capacitors, no never seen that before.

 

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