Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Gravity powered devices => Gravity powered devices => Topic started by: rukiddingme on August 15, 2012, 01:21:58 PM

Title: Local man develops new electricity technology?
Post by: rukiddingme on August 15, 2012, 01:21:58 PM




http://www.whec.com/news/stories/s2728359.shtml?cat=565 (http://www.whec.com/news/stories/s2728359.shtml?cat=565)
Title: Re: Local man develops new electricity technology?
Post by: hartiberlin on August 16, 2012, 12:17:07 AM
Have a look at this video.


http://youtu.be/D8HKbjIIRRc (http://youtu.be/D8HKbjIIRRc)


He seems to use the weight going down to produce electricity and probably the last few inches of the distance uses
some kind of compressing with this weight some air going into a balloon fixed to the weight to press the air into the balloon
and thus using boyuancy lift to bring up the weight again.

I wonder if this is enough lift to bring up the weight again when he used already most of the distance to propell a generator ?

regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Local man develops new electricity technology?
Post by: TheOne on August 16, 2012, 05:31:47 AM
Tommey reed work on a similar project, I believe it can work, he must go open source...
Title: Re: Local man develops new electricity technology?
Post by: Xaverius on August 16, 2012, 07:58:15 PM
I don't understand how he is compressing air as the weight is immersed in water to provide buoyancy.  His description is rather vague.
Title: Re: Local man develops new electricity technology?
Post by: fletcher on August 16, 2012, 09:26:55 PM
It looks like a hollow plastic tube descends with the 'sphere' mass on a string - when the mass is fully descended air is pumped under pressure from a reservoir into a bladder inside the 'sphere' displacing the internal water & raising the vessel water height accordingly - the sphere volume now has less density than the water & has a net buoyancy force which causes it to rise.

N.B. on the way down the mass accelerating due to gravity [having a density greater than water] turns a gen or some such which makes electricity which turns a pump to compress air into a pressure vessel - the elastic bladder [like a balloon] then reduces volume again with the air exhausted I think - I don't think the sphere ever leaves the water.

The cycle repeats.

Over time I would expect his pre-charged pressure vessel to deplete its pressure - he would probably say that this was due to poor workmanship, tools, equipment, engineering, efficiency losses, & various leaks that once fixed would solve the 'losses' problem & the system will consistently show OU over time.

Add a load to the system that take energy away like supplying electricity elsewhere & he is banking on the system being able to recharge the pressure vessel & do external work and cover inefficiencies & losses.

Perhaps he hasn't read about the Work-Energy Equivalence Principle in physics OR he has got something - you be the judge.
Title: Re: Local man develops new electricity technology?
Post by: TinselKoala on August 16, 2012, 11:10:01 PM
So now we have two working buoyancy drives to consider.... same principle of operation, or different? Are we violating Conservation of Miracles, here, or what?

There are four distinct possibilities.

1) Both drives work. Well then, whoever disconnects from the Grid and runs his home on the output energy of their drive, first, wins the Nobel Prize.
2) The Zed drive works, but the Farmer drive doesn't.  Sour grapes, pot kettle black, from where I sit the "evidence" is better for Farmer: he's got a pretty female journalist all giggly and excited, and his explanations are so simple even a Koala can understand (if not believe) them.
3) The Farmer drive works, but the Zed drive doesn't.  I don't think anyone is seriously considering _this_ alternative, are they?
4) Neither the Farmer drive nor the Zed drive works as claimed.  This alternative doesn't violate any conservation laws (particularly Conservation of Truth) and is consistent with all real data received so far.

Take your pick... support your position with data... if you can find any.
Title: Re: Local man develops new electricity technology?
Post by: conradelektro on August 16, 2012, 11:15:06 PM
The following scenario could make sense:

May be the pressurised container (reservoir) for the air inflating the bladder in the weight (in order to make the weight more buoyant) is pressurised by other means like heat from solar collectors. So, the energy comes in fact from the sun.

The air in the bladder will be cooled down when the weight descends into the deep hole in the ground and its volume will shrink (lowering the pressure, adding weight). In the pressurised container which could stand in the hot sun light above ground the air will be heated up again and expands (raising the pressure, helping to inflate the bladder). So, it would be in fact a heat engine.

The cooling and heating effect could be rather small, therefore the inventor also has to use part of the energy imparted by the descending weight to drive an air pump. But the heating and cooling could lift the system over the threshold of the losses. The net energy gain is probably very little and proportional (<1) to the energy from the heating and cooling.

In laymen's terms one could then call this a free energy device.

This is of course pure speculation because we have practically no information about this machine.

Greetings, Conrad