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Offline Thaelin

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Eds design
« on: April 13, 2005, 04:32:35 AM »
   Well guess since I ask for this forum to be created I should be the one to start it out.

   Now that the motors that ev gray was trying to market have been located and are
systematicly being dismantled and measured and catalouged, does anyone here think
that his design had merit?  The fact that he was ruined with many people behind him
makes me wonder if they worked as stated. I know that all of the people who gave him
finacial backing refused to file any kind of charges against him, most willing to give more.
Then he was found dead of a heart attack soon later.

    From what I have seen of the design, I feel it had merit. Would love to hear others on this.

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Eds design
« on: April 13, 2005, 04:32:35 AM »

Offline dracozny

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Re: Eds design
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2005, 10:01:20 PM »
I beleive his work had merit and when an inventor is killed on the brink of discovery well he must have been on to something.
I am continuing work on his tube with dramaticly radical concepts and hope to achieve spectacular results.

of course Ed Gray and Nikola Tesla are my heroes I just hope I dont end up with their fate

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Re: Eds design
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2005, 01:16:41 AM »
   Agreed on that. I just wish I could get my hands on one of the motors for an
afternoon and see just what it looked like. Pictures are one thing, but hands
on makes the difference.
   With the japanese guy about to release the electric scooter that will go for
500 miles on 4 car batteries. I think this guy may well have cracked the OU
envelope but as its said on the write up. He may be holding back to not shock
the system too hard and milk the cash cow a bit first. Its sure he is using the
same idea tho. The RF kick back seems to be where the OU is going to pronounce
its self.  My little scooter will soon tell. I just received my 8 neo mags for the
next test. I am just having a fit with the  hall effect triggering the transistors.

   Just how many windings do you have to have to fire a 3055 anyhow, any idea?
I use reeds for the test but they go bad very quickly. At 6800 pulses per minute
it doesn't take long at all.

sugra

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Re: Eds design
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2005, 01:16:41 AM »
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Offline Bruce A. Perreault

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Re: Eds design
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2005, 09:49:07 PM »
The key to the conversion tube is with T. H. Moray's design.

                       -B.A. Perreault

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Re: Eds design
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2005, 12:09:30 AM »
? ?
? ?Just how many windings do you have to have to fire a 3055 anyhow, any idea?

sugra


- - - enough to generate at least 0.7 volts.  Mr. Faraday's formula will do that for you if you know the basic values.

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Offline sevenmead

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Re: Eds design
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2005, 09:03:30 PM »
I believe Ed's motor worked.  He was on the scene long enough to indicate this.  I think alot of his problems came from the lack of knowledge as to how his machine actually worked.  But this was also a blessing.  Stating that his motor was actually a high efficiency design (99% efficiant)  was probably what enabled him to get a patent.  If he has stated his motor ran off the cosmos, he would have been denied. 

The key here (opinion) is in the power supply.  I got the feeling the motor was just designed to run off the specific pulse signature produced by Ed's power supply.  There fore, it is of little importants until the power supply is developed. 

Has anyone else noticed the similarities between the Ed Gray power supply, Tesla's magnifying transmitter, Moray's device.  Tesla's is the most simple becuase he was broadcasting the radiant energy and there wasn't much discussion about recieving it.  Ed's design takes this to a new level by including the recieving protion in his design so effectively he was only broadcasting his radiant energy across his tube.  The Moray design is the best in my opinion.  He has all the components that appear in Tesla and Gray's designs but with the added complexity that comes with making his circuit occilate instead just pulsed DC.  I think the confusion comes from Moray's "fission material" which is probably helpful and makes the circuit simpler, but I believe a hybrid between the three can be made with out the need for the "detector" substance.

any thoughts?

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Re: Eds design
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2005, 04:31:04 AM »
THE MORE I STUDY,THE MORE SIMILARITIES I SEE IN ALL THE ABOVE DEVICES- INCLUDING FLOYD SWEET. COLD ELECTRICITY, ARGONNE, NEGETIVE ENERGY ALL
SEEM TO BE THE 'TRUE PRODUCT'  OF OVERUNITY DEVICES. I ALSO BELIEVE ED'S
MOTOR WORKED. THERE ALSO SEEMS TO BE A COMMON PROBLEM WITH CONSISTENCY OF PERFORMANCE IN MOST OF THESE DEVICES.
 HOW DO YOU MEASURE COLD ELECTRICITY OR NEGETIVE ENERGY? IT HAS TO COME
FROM SOMEWHERE. OU DEVICES MUST CREATE AN IMBALANCE TO WORK. IF YOU WERE SURROUNDED BY OU DEVICES, WOULD YOU FEEL ENERGY BEING DRAWN FROM
YOU? THE MORE I THINK ABOUT, IT SEEMS ACHEIVING 'PLAIN UNITY' WOULD BE A
GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT. THERE IS SO MUCH FREE POWER IN THE SUN ALREADY.
      OK, I'LL GET OFF MY SOAP BOX.    HOWEVER... LET'S ALL GET OFF THE GRID!

               - MARK

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Offline jwrigley

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Re: Eds design
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2005, 01:58:17 AM »
Hi Mark,

   the skeptic in all of us comes out...and it should. But I believe as you that there are common threads between many of the articles on the web and books to be purchased. If you have not read Moray King's lastest work regarding potential ZPE harnessing, I would suggest you do. Also Peter Lindemann's book, "the sectrets of cold electricity." Lately, I have read Bruce A. Perreault's book as well, "Harnessing Cosmic Energy." I've compiled a little reference library which I constantly refer to. Also books on theory can be useful as well, Milo Wolff, "Exploring the Unknown universe." What I've tried to do is gather in as much information as possible, reread, and cross-reference, without becoming to skeptical at first. A basic understanding of presently established scientific theory (I believe) is a must. It's the underpinnings of these theory's that seem to be in question (for example. what is a photon?). These are not just philosophical questions but may have real world applications. Most of all though, is not to go spouting theory until you have done your own homework and experimentation. This, in my humble opinion, is how best not to waste other people's time.

-John   

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Re: Eds design
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2005, 03:42:37 PM »
Hi Guy's

Pls check if there we can get idea at web ismaelaviso.com a motor running with 0.53amps only for 2ho & 2000rpm, somebody told me that is EV GRAY version, 9 stator and 3 rotor coils. The power supply was a FYMEGM energy, do you know about this ? This is the first time i saw a video motor running with less amps. How about Lutec, Muller, Newman etc.. do you know if they have this kind of footage of their motor ? I want to build one but i  dont know where to start and  i dont know where i will get the idea.

iald


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Re: Eds design
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Offline sevenmead

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Re: Eds design
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2005, 10:34:17 AM »
I get the feeling the whole point in Cold electricity is ZERO amps.

Offline F_Brown

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Re: Eds design
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2005, 07:57:38 AM »
The uniqueness of Edwin Gray's design is based on two major principles:?

Einstein's photo-electric effect, and Tesla's radiant energy collector.

Everything else relates directly to pulse motors matters.

Anyway, has anybody else done actual research with quantitative results in this direction?

Best regards,

F. Brown

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Offline ewitte

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Re: Eds design
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2005, 10:27:51 PM »
I get the feeling the whole point in Cold electricity is ZERO amps.

I've been studing a design based on his ideas.  Actually your not too far from it.  The design runs at 1000v and 25ma.  IMO from reading off of it you can't really directly pull too much energy out.  Maybe enough to keep the battery charged or at least running for a few days/weeks.  But it runs about 2550 of RPM with very high torque.  It wouldn't be that hard to indirectly get power from it.  I'm modifying the design with a slightly longer shaft and putting a windmill alternator at the back end.  The windmill alternator will be whats used for power.

Eric

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Re: Eds design
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2006, 07:40:53 PM »
I get the feeling the whole point in Cold electricity is ZERO amps.

What would be the point of that? Without current all you have is potential. 0A = 0W since A(V)=W. Cold electricity exists all over the place. The second you introduce potential to a circuit you have current. Ever zap a doorknob with your finger? That's thousands of volts discharing right there, but the Amps are in a the ma range so it does nothing. The total power is very low. But it's a perfect example of potential building up with no place to go ( 0A ), until it has a circuit. You could do more damage with low voltage and say 5 amps. Converting "cold electricity" to a higher amp lower voltage is where we can get something that is capapble of doing work. Either that or developing a motor that can run on very low amps and can produce work capable powering more than a toy.
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Re: Eds design
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2006, 07:07:42 PM »
in eds early experiments he did not use a motor.the circit is the the key.you can power your whole house on just the circit.he would use a car battery to charge a cap to 3000 volts then would create a spark across a spark gap with a timming or control circit which goes back to the neg of the battery.(no free energy here).near the spark gap were just two peices of copper tubing which picked up the raidient event or as found by tesla the spark actually some how manufactures electrons.this is how he charged his battery and ran his motor nothing special about the motor.sorry for this very short explination but this is the jest of it.all ed did was copy teslas work.when he worked at nasa he worked with teslas assittant.this is probobly where he got his info from or the idea.tesla had a peirce arrow(car) running with this circit and an electric motor(80 hp).cant type that well as everyone now knows,so i will leave you peeps with some reading material on the subject.the free energy secrets of cold electricity by peter lindemann.this guy sells a book and video,with som other good books on his web site like the secrets of cold war tecnology all required reading if you peeps want to build the circit and or motor.i would attach a pdf of the book but im on dial up and its 20 or so megs.hope this helps you guys and girls.

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Re: Eds design
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2006, 09:56:09 PM »
in eds early experiments he did not use a motor.the circit is the the key.you can power your whole house on just the circit.he would use a car battery to charge a cap to 3000 volts then would create a spark across a spark gap with a timming or control circit which goes back to the neg of the battery.(no free energy here).near the spark gap were just two peices of copper tubing which picked up the raidient event or as found by tesla the spark actually some how manufactures electrons.this is how he charged his battery and ran his motor nothing special about the motor.sorry for this very short explination but this is the jest of it.all ed did was copy teslas work.when he worked at nasa he worked with teslas assittant.this is probobly where he got his info from or the idea.tesla had a peirce arrow(car) running with this circit and an electric motor(80 hp).cant type that well as everyone now knows,so i will leave you peeps with some reading material on the subject.the free energy secrets of cold electricity by peter lindemann.this guy sells a book and video,with som other good books on his web site like the secrets of cold war tecnology all required reading if you peeps want to build the circit and or motor.i would attach a pdf of the book but im on dial up and its 20 or so megs.hope this helps you guys and girls.

From the research I've done on this so far, I'll tend to agree with fwalenda.
Following the Tesla theories and observations, the motor in it self is secondary. The true additional energy input from the radiant event happens in that converter circuit, the one that has the sparkgap. The Key seems to be the ultra fast interruption of the spark discharge. That causes the radiant energy to be radiated from the high voltage rod and captured by the surrounding rods or collectors.

Now that you mentioned Peter Lindemann, there was a Free Energy Conference back in 2000 or 2001? Where Lindermann and Wooten participated.
I think Mr. Norman Wooten had acquired earlier some of Gray's motors and he was setting up a  machine shop to manufacture more. If I recall correctly some foreign investors were funding the facility and machining equipment. I haven't really found anything since. Have they made any? do they perform as claimed? It's been 5 years so I'd expect at least some basic production units to be available. If anyone has any more info please do post.


 

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