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Title: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 11, 2012, 04:59:31 PM
 I will consider this post first publication as it will detail the invention and give the needed information for filing a patent.
 My name is James Lindgaard and am the inventor.
 Residence; Richmond, Ky.
The invention is a perpetual pendulum
 
On 3rd page.Provisional Application for Patent Filing Date Requirements It can be filed up to one year following the date of first sale, offer for sale, public use, or publication of the invention.
 http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/ProvApp.pdf (http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/ProvApp.pdf)
 Specification 
The specification is a written description of the invention and of the manner and process of making and using the invention that concludes with the claims to the invention, which must begin on a new page. The specification must be in clear, full, concise, and exact terms to enable any person skilled in the art or science to which the invention pertains to make and use the same.
 
 The machine operates because of an imbalance caused by a swinging weight. By having 2 weights suspended from a cross beam at different distance, when the weight that is furthest away swings inward and is caught by a hoisting mechanism, it's center of mass creates resistence closer to the pivot of the cross beam. By doing so, it allows the opposing suspended weight to have greater potential because it is suspended further from the pivot of the cross beam than the hoisting mechanism suspending the weight capable of swinging.
 The hoist mechanism uses pulley's or pins that attach the catching mechanism to a ppoint further from the pivot of the cross beam but not beyond the point where the opposing weight is suspended.
 The weight capable of swinging will be pulled free by a line attached to the base of the machine and to the weight itself or extension of the weight. This will happen when the weight is being lifted and the line attached to the base becomes taught.
 When the weight is pulled free from the hoisting mechanism, it's force will act on the point where it's line is attached to the cross beam causing it to have greater force than the opposing weight.Title of Invention 
The title of the invention (or an introductory portion stating the name, citizenship, residence of each applicant, and the title of the invention) should appear as the heading on the first page of the specification
  Perpetual Motion Machine
James Lindgaard , Citizenship is American
 
 Background of the Invention 
This section should include a statement of the field of endeavor to which the invention pertains. This section may also include a paraphrasing of the applicable U.S. patent classification definitions or the subject matter of the claimed invention.
 
Also, it should contain a description of information known to you, including references to specific documents, which are related to your invention. It should contain, if applicable, references to specific problems involved in the prior art (or state of technology) which your invention is drawn toward. See MPEP 608.01(c) for more information
 
 The catch emchanism would ahve it's position maintained by having it's supporting lines be attached to the position on the cross beam from the opposing direction of it being used to hoist the swinging weight with. This would allow the catch mechanism to always be postioned to catch the swinging weight which is as important as any other aspect of this invention.
 In previous attempts at perpetual motion, such devices have failed because they could not shift the balance of the weights without using the work gained from weights to reset the weights continuously. With this invention, it has solved in this instance the problem of  restting a weight so it can have a greater force than another weight maintaining a constant source of imbalance.
 
  Nice way of saving patent rights. And if successful, of course will have to remember the host.
Am not sure but may donate patent rights to charity. Building a working Bessler Wheel is what I would really like to see happen. With this in mind, if someone would like to work with me on this, let me know.
 In reality, if I do this by myself, will keep the money. And in this day and age, electronic signatures are accepted. So if anyone helps me, some people would benefit from this and we'd get some recognition for it.
 Something for you guys to think about. And yes, this is a legal contract if someone accepts the terms.
 
                                                                                                 James A. Lindgaard
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 11, 2012, 08:22:18 PM
   @All,
  A cleaner drawing. The one I will build will use a deck with cleats. Somewhat of a homeage
to my having been around ships.
 If the release line is attached to the top part of the catch mechnism, then when the line is pulled
taut, it should release the swinging weight. The weight can have the rod to the fulcrum going
through it. This will allow it to slide slightly up it as it pushes the catch mechanism away before
the catch mechanism moves under the swinging weight to catch it on it's return movement. it is this line which will
time the movement or rocking/tilting of the cross beam. The catch mechanism can catch pins that are located on the
sides of the weights. This means that there woulld be 2 catch mechanisms working together, one for each side of the
weight.
 The cross beam's motion can be controlled by stops placed on the cross beam which interact with the
main support that the cross beam pivots on.
 The pulley for the opposing weight can be attached to the main support at about an angle of 45 degrees.
This will allow the force the line places on the pin or pulley to be in the direction of the support.
 The basic size from center pivot of the cross bem to the center of the pin for the swing weight is
12" (inches). The cross beam is centered length wise to maintain it's balance between left and right.
 
                                                                                                            Jim
 
 
 And to modify the agreement I posted, I do not work with private builders associated with the Arrache build group.
This includes AB Hammer.
                                                                                                         James . Lindgaard
 
 
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: TinselKoala on August 11, 2012, 09:36:13 PM
Well, you just blew any chance of patenting that scheme, if that was your intention, by publishing your claims and drawings publicly.


http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/appxl_35_U_S_C_102.htm

You will have to complete and file a NONprovisional patent application within one year from today or you cannot patent it at all. And that's not even considering whether the patent will be granted.
You will also have to demonstrate that your invention is New, Useful, and hasn't been demonstrated before by someone else. Good luck.


Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 12, 2012, 12:50:19 AM
Well, you just blew any chance of patenting that scheme, if that was your intention, by publishing your claims and drawings publicly.


http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/appxl_35_U_S_C_102.htm

You will have to complete and file a NONprovisional patent application within one year from today or you cannot patent it at all. And that's not even considering whether the patent will be granted.
You will also have to demonstrate that your invention is New, Useful, and hasn't been demonstrated before by someone else. Good luck.



TK:

Exactly correct, from what I know.  I love the folks that post stuff on OU and then get help from smart guys like you....and then...remove all videos and posts saying they are going for the patent now.  A long time ago a very expensive patent attorney assured me it does not work that way.

Bill
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 12, 2012, 02:35:24 AM
   @TK & Bill,
  How many private messages did you send each other before posting ¿?
 I mean really, TK said I lost all rights for patent purposes and then Bill says watch me delete my posts which only a forum moderator like himself can do.
 Still, for someone who is interested, let me know.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 12, 2012, 02:44:43 AM
   @TK & Bill,
  How many private messages did you send each other before posting ¿?
 I mean really, TK said I lost all rights for patent purposes and then Bill says watch me delete my posts which only a forum moderator like himself can do.
 Still, for someone who is interested, let me know.

Wow.  Hold on here.  I don't believe I have ever pm'd TK.  Also, yes, I am a moderator on here BUT only on like 2 topic areas....not a total Moderator of the entire site.  I have no idea where you are coming from but, I have to say that you are totally wrong on your assumptions.


Bill
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 12, 2012, 02:46:33 AM
Also, please note that on my posts here...it says something like hero member....NOT moderator....proving my point.  What posts do you think I deleted?

Bill
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 12, 2012, 03:12:49 AM
  Bill,
 read your last post. When I referenced the USPTO, where was I wrong ?
 You and TK were in agreement that I was. You even said that people like me delete my posts when people like TK show where patent rignts are lost by openly posting an invention like what I am doing.
 That is called disinformation.
 Also, the design I posted is workable.
 Only jealous people would play games like those being played.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 12, 2012, 04:27:44 AM
  Bill,
 read your last post. When I referenced the USPTO, where was I wrong ?
 You and TK were in agreement that I was. You even said that people like me delete my posts when people like TK show where patent rignts are lost by openly posting an invention like what I am doing.
 That is called disinformation.
 Also, the design I posted is workable.
 Only jealous people would play games like those being played.

Well, OK, whatever.  I have no ideas what you are talking about.  You are not making any sense.


Bill
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: TinselKoala on August 12, 2012, 07:17:56 AM
   @TK & Bill,
  How many private messages did you send each other before posting ¿?
 I mean really, TK said I lost all rights for patent purposes and then Bill says watch me delete my posts which only a forum moderator like himself can do.
 Still, for someone who is interested, let me know.
Well, Pirate and I have been around for a while and have participated in discussions on several topics. We don't always agree but I respect him and I hope he respects me.

I assure you.... in this matter we have not exchanged any PMs or 'back channel' communications at all. Of course we can't prove this to you easily... but the Patent information isn't a secret, many people know... or should know.... about it.

And on this forum any poster can replace his (or her) own posts with completely different content at any time. As far as I am aware there isn't any time limit on edits, so you can just go back, delete all the content, and replace it with a dot, or something completely different. It has happened before...
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 12, 2012, 07:54:20 AM
Well, Pirate and I have been around for a while and have participated in discussions on several topics. We don't always agree but I respect him and I hope he respects me.

I assure you.... in this matter we have not exchanged any PMs or 'back channel' communications at all. Of course we can't prove this to you easily... but the Patent information isn't a secret, many people know... or should know.... about it.

And on this forum any poster can replace his (or her) own posts with completely different content at any time. As far as I am aware there isn't any time limit on edits, so you can just go back, delete all the content, and replace it with a dot, or something completely different. It has happened before...

TK:

That is correct.  I do hope that you know that even thought we don't always agree, I have the greatest respect for your knowledge and building skills.  The thing that I think that you have brought to these discussions here on OU is that, you put your building skills behind what you say.  If someone does something and claims something...you build it and then ask "what the hell?"  But, you took the time to build it even though you already knew it would not really work.  Anyway...I have a lot of respect for you for that.

Bill
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 12, 2012, 04:18:17 PM
  umm,
 not sure about you two.
Bill, when you say I know it won't work, you are insulting me.
 Thanks to my hearing loss, I've had time to to sit home and study math and how it applies to leveraged motion.
 If a person wants to understand something, at some point they need to be willing to take the time to learn.
 I guess you could say that I have turned my disability into an ability.

             Jim
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 12, 2012, 11:05:49 PM
  umm,
 not sure about you two.
Bill, when you say I know it won't work, you are insulting me.
 Thanks to my hearing loss, I've had time to to sit home and study math and how it applies to leveraged motion.
 If a person wants to understand something, at some point they need to be willing to take the time to learn.
 I guess you could say that I have turned my disability into an ability.

             Jim

Jim:

I never said your device will not work...I never even implied that at all.  My comment complimenting TK was about all of the other devices he took the time to replicate...from Mylow, Rose, and many others.  Nothing to do with you at all.

Bill
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: ramset on August 13, 2012, 12:23:23 AM
johny
Thanks for sharing your ideas, My mind is to small to model all those connections and motions ,I envy your obvious ability to play with these ideas.
   There is a member here [EM Devices] that recently advocated the pendulum as a possible OU source while dropping , perhaps you can have a look here
 
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1489.0 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1489.0)
 
Thank you
Chet
PS
Bill good to see you around. [""Now"" is a very good time to be around.................!:.]
PPS
Always good to see TK too.
 
 
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: TinselKoala on August 13, 2012, 02:15:16 AM
Thanks, Bill, Chet.

Jim.... I haven't looked at your system in depth at all, I just responded to the patentability issue.

Your system seems simple enough though.... why don't you build it yourself and see how it works, before you get all excited about patenting it?

I am really sorry that I don't have my machine shop tools here, I can only do electronic stuff where I am right now. If I had my lathe and mill and other tooling, I would be much more interested in the mechanical builds I see happening right now. But I'm essentially unable to do anything other than drilling holes, not too precisely either, until I can get my tooling sent down to me.... and that may never happen, at this rate.

Anyhow, I don't think we are hostile... just cautious, and I for one would hate to see you screw yourself out of being able to patent a good original idea just because you talked about it here in a public forum.

--TK
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: JouleSeeker on August 13, 2012, 02:19:51 AM
  Jim, I suggest you build a working model and not worry about US patents -- which will almost certainly not be granted in such a way as to protect your intellectual property anyway.
Abundant evidence tells us that patents these days protect the profits of big corporations, not the little inventor.

We've had numerous discussions on patents and why NOT to pursue these (wasting time and money) on these forums. 

  OTOH, you can still turn a reasonable and well-deserved financial return AND benefit humanity IF you proceed wisely, sans US patent.  I would be glad to re-iterate and discuss a path here -- but frankly a WORKING PROTOTYPE is step ONE.

Best wishes,
Dr. Jones
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 13, 2012, 02:40:43 PM
  @TK,
 Would've liked to have had a family, Everybody I knew thought that was a bad idea. Right now, will need one more surgery before I can return to work.

@Dr. Jones, about the only gravity device that could benefit people would be Bessler's wheel. I may not have the wood working skills needed to build it. One of his wheels could be powerful enough to generate 500 watts. While that might not seem like much, in some places it would mean a water supply.
 Still, if someone wants to try this, why not ?
It might not be the Earth shattering news everyone expects it to. Instead, they might find out that like anything else, it takes time and effort to make anything happen. You know, no miraculous discoveries that change things over night.
 
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 13, 2012, 04:14:28 PM
  Jim, I suggest you build a working model and not worry about US patents -- which will almost certainly not be granted in such a way as to protect your intellectual property anyway.
Abundant evidence tells us that patents these days protect the profits of big corporations, not the little inventor.

We've had numerous discussions on patents and why NOT to pursue these (wasting time and money) on these forums. 

  OTOH, you can still turn a reasonable and well-deserved financial return AND benefit humanity IF you proceed wisely, sans US patent.  I would be glad to re-iterate and discuss a path here -- but frankly a WORKING PROTOTYPE is step ONE.

Best wishes,
Dr. Jones

  Dr. Jones,
 it is a big company that would make this invention profitable. that's reality. And if the patent rights go to charity, isn't that humanitariumism ?
 After all, if I have to build each one, would lose potential sells. Also, it is a lot of work just engineering one let alone building it also. I haven't seen a working perpetual motion machine or over unity device yet.
 And if you look at what gravity can do, look at a water wheel. that would be a realistic idea of how much power gravity could develop into commercial power. Bessler realized this potential. I won't discuss his work any more until succh time as I can return to work and have better circumstances to work under. After all, i have tried fo the last couple of years and it seems the people in the forum's lack the engineering background to understand how a water wheel could be made into a working perpetual motion machine. it seems most people can't move past what they know to learn from someone else's work like Bessler's.
                                                                                                                                     Jim
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 13, 2012, 04:35:59 PM
johny
Thanks for sharing your ideas, My mind is to small to model all those connections and motions ,I envy your obvious ability to play with these ideas.
   There is a member here [EM Devices] that recently advocated the pendulum as a possible OU source while dropping , perhaps you can have a look here
 
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1489.0 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1489.0)
 
Thank you
Chet
PS
Bill good to see you around. [""Now"" is a very good time to be around.................!:.]
PPS
Always good to see TK too.

  Chet,
 I did some basic math working in values of 9.8n-m and realized that at 45 degrees, a 1kg weight drop 29.3 cm's would generate .08 kg's (80 grams) of force.
 I am not sure if you are familiar with Milkovic's Pendulum ( http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/indexEng.htm (http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/indexEng.htm) ), but I think I happened across why his invention is able to perform more work than what is input into it. In some ways, it might be simple leverage working with the force of a moving weight. When the weight is moving towards the cross beams pivot, it has less force vertically allow his invention to tilt to the right. And when the weight swings away from the pivot, think two right angles here, the force of the weight being further from the pivot tilts the cross beam in that direction. This could be what they have not understood about his invention.
 So basically, I am borrowing heavily from his work which is one reason why I don't mind referencing his accomplishments.
In fact, if what I understand does work, then it might help him with what has motivated him in his pursuits. And with me, I do happen to like Johann Bessler's work which is where if I have to give up something to get something, that's okay, I'll still come out better off.
 In some ways. it's kind of nice being able to understand these things, but not worth much if nothing comes from it.
 In the pic, if you notice how much closer the weight is to the pivot means it's applying the much less force to the fulcrum. This is because the rules of leverage apply pretty much the same as they normally would.
 
                                                                                                                           Jim
 
edited to run spell check
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Newton II on August 13, 2012, 05:48:03 PM
   @All,
  A cleaner drawing. The one I will build will use a deck with cleats. Somewhat of a homeage
to my having been around ships.
 If the release line is attached to the top part of the catch mechnism, then when the line is pulled
taut, it should release the swinging weight. The weight can have the rod to the fulcrum going
through it. This will allow it to slide slightly up it as it pushes the catch mechanism away before
the catch mechanism moves under the swinging weight to catch it on it's return movement. it is this line which will
time the movement or rocking/tilting of the cross beam. The catch mechanism can catch pins that are located on the
sides of the weights. This means that there woulld be 2 catch mechanisms working together, one for each side of the
weight.
 The cross beam's motion can be controlled by stops placed on the cross beam which interact with the
main support that the cross beam pivots on.
 The pulley for the opposing weight can be attached to the main support at about an angle of 45 degrees.
This will allow the force the line places on the pin or pulley to be in the direction of the support.
 The basic size from center pivot of the cross bem to the center of the pin for the swing weight is
12" (inches). The cross beam is centered length wise to maintain it's balance between left and right.
 
                                                                                                            Jim
 
 
 And to modify the agreement I posted, I do not work with private builders associated with the Arrache build group.
This includes AB Hammer.
                                                                                                         James . Lindgaard
 
 








Hello Jim,


I don't   understand how that thing is going to work.    I assume the pendulam shown in the drawing is suspended by a solid rod.  This pendulam moves in a arc of a circle but not in straight line.  An arc of a circle has only one tangent at a given point.  So your weight when caught in the catching arrangement,  it can neither move upwards nor downwards  because for moving upwards it has to bend the belt in the form of arc described by the moving ball  and for moving downwards from the catch it has to be released from the catch because the arc path of movement of ball will be far away from the belt.   In either case it will not gain any energy.

Any over unity builder has to keep in mind :

It is impossible to make a single system pepetual because  Whatever adjustments you do, action and reaction will cancell off at some point to reach equilibrium.   

Whether to perform overunity work or underunity work,  you need a External force

Newton's third law can be re-written as " ACTION CANNOT BE PERFORMED WITHOUT EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION" .   When you stand on a loose ground and try to lift a weight,   you will go inside the ground and weight will not come up.

You can build a overunity device with two systems;  one driver and one driven  with output more than the input  but making a single system perpetual is impossible.



Newton




 
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 13, 2012, 07:38:39 PM
  @Newton II et al,
 With "new" idea's, it might take a little time considering to understand how a system can effect
changes within itself.
 The attached drawing shows a basic outline of values in Mr. Miilkocic's works. What I realized is
that by catching the weight in it's inner position, it's relative mass would be calculated from where
it is suspended. It is when it is lifted at this point that it's motion is increased above it's own potential.
 And since the work being done by the opposing weight is less than it's potential relative to the fulcrum
of the cross beam, it would have sufficient energy to perform the work necessary to realize overunity.
 The diagram in the attachment shows how calculating the two stresses on a swinging weight change it's
potential within Mr. Milkovic's system. Point A is 30 degrees beyond the vertical center line of the fulcrum.
 The way to understand it's approximate values would be to add 0.500 plus 0.866, the sine and cosine of 30
degrees. Then when 0.500 is divided by 1.366, the value is approximately 0.366.
 This would mean that a 100 pound weight swinging to the left would have an additional force of 36 pounds
for a total force of 136 pounds. And when it swings inward ( to the right), it's force would be about 100 minus
36 which is about 64 pounds of resitence to the opposing weight.
 This is something that could be verified with basic tests. The reason Mr. Milkovic was not able to achieve
overunity status is not lifting the weight by using a mechanism operated by the opposing side. After all, when the
weight swings inward, it is closer to the fulcrum of the cross beam meaning it woud have a lesser effect on the
cross beam than the opposing weight.
 And with point C, .707 plus .707 equal 1.414 of which .707 is 50% or 1/2. This simple emans a weight would apply
it's force equally in two different directions. And at 30 degrees (points A and B), then the amount of force in either
direction changes based on the relationship between the sine and cosine.
 So do I think it will work ? I think it would be one of the simplest demonstrations that can work and where the math
behind it could be understood.
 
                                                                                                                         Jim
 
p.s. And if it made a few million for charity, don't think I'd have a problem with that.
 
edited to change pics   :D
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: TinselKoala on August 13, 2012, 10:51:52 PM
Let me jump in here and correct one major misconception:

A water wheel does NOT work by extracting energy from gravity!!

A water wheel is a SOLAR POWERED device. Think carefully about this. 

The water wheel works because there is a bunch of water, above the wheel somewhere, flowing downwards DUE TO GRAVITY, past and through the wheel, turning it. But how did the water get up there to be pulled down by gravity in the first place? This is where the energy comes from.

The energy to turn the wheel comes from the stored potential energy of the water in the reservoir, river or tank above it.

This potential energy is stored in the water by lifting it up from a lower place to the reservoir.
The reservoir is filled by rainfall.
The rainfall comes from the moisture in clouds.
The moisture in the clouds came from water evaporated at the surface of oceans, lakes and streams, and irrigated land.
The evaporation of the moisture was done by THE SUN's energy... and this is where the energy comes from to turn any water wheel. (Unless the water is pumped into the reservoir by nuclear or coal or oil fed electric generators and pumps. Even the coal and oil fed electric pumps are powered by the Sun, though.... where do you think that carbon came from? From plants, from the CO2 in the air, by a process powered by photons from the Sun.)

Now... the device shown in the drawings looks to me like a "chaotic pendulum" and is very difficult to analyze correctly. Let me just say here that you are doing it wrong, and part of why is because of your misconceptions.

And I have no idea what you were referring to earlier when you mentioned "family" and "surgery" but I hope it works out well, anyway.

Carry on....


"If you build it, they will come."  Or maybe.... not.

(And your lack of consistent scale in your drawing is also misleading you -- or me. A meter horizontally should be the same length as a meter vertically, shouldn't it? So your angles and intersection points aren't right, as shown, since your horizontal and vertical meters are different lengths.)
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 13, 2012, 11:02:04 PM
 :o edited
 TK
You said I have a misconception,
You referenced a rivers cyclic behavior due to solar radiation,
 You have seriously missec something. What you posted to demonstrate my ignorance is something King Solomon discussed in the Old Testament of the Bible.
 I would suggest people ignore your posts.

Jim
 
edited to add; I believe Tinsel Koala is a friend of AB Hammer. I know Pirate 88719 (Bill) is.
 Alan is a theologian who knows the Bible. it's sad. I remember Alan's posts. he told me he could teach my father engineering, even how to build a Viking longship. His specialty is antiquities. Mt father worked in a boat shop which I have been told has become a museum.
 You see, my father is from Norway and worked in his father's and grandfather's boat shop doing work by hand. AB Hammer has told me if my father apprenticed under him that he could teach my father what he already knows, engineering.
 Something else AB Hammer and his friends have missed;
  “For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.”        Ephesians 2:10 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NIV&search=Ephesians 2:10) NIV (http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/index.php?action=getVersionInfo&vid=31)
 I think that is one reason why I do not mind living my own life even if other people have it better than me. And as for my hobby
which is this, if it helps other people, then those who have said the road to Hell is paved with good intentions can have a beer with me and educate me to their beliefs.
 And if not, then I'll have one with Stefan and ask him how he has survived his own forum. LMAO!!!
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 14, 2012, 02:22:27 AM
Ok, so first I conspire with TK through pm's and now I am a friend of someone named AB Hammer?  Is there anything else that you would like to make up about me that is both not true and, I don't even know about myself?  Seriously Jim, I am starting to worry about you.

Bill
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 14, 2012, 03:31:50 AM
  Bill,
 How about you live near Bowlingreen, Ky. and work as a private investigator.
 Your father made ceramic springs which he sold to the government and some how got ripped off and ended up with nothing,
 How am I doing so far ?
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 14, 2012, 03:51:08 AM
  @All,
 to get away from ego's, this is something that is possible. It is also something that could be built for less than 30 dollars.
 Myself, I have no choice but to wait until next year. Unfortunately when I had surgery for cancer 3 years ago, my post op care missed serious effects due to my surgery.
 Still, life goes on.

Jim
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 14, 2012, 03:56:03 AM
  Bill,
 How about you live near Bowlingreen, Ky. and work as a private investigator.
 Your father made ceramic springs which he sold to the government and some how got ripped off and ended up with nothing,
 How am I doing so far ?

Wrong on ALL counts.  What the hell are you talking about?  Is there some medication that you have forgotten to take?

Bill
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 14, 2012, 03:58:49 AM
Jim:

I mean, I am very sorry for your reported health issues...I know that must suck but....Holy crap!

Bill
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 14, 2012, 04:27:59 AM
  Bill,
 I think two posts by you anxwer the question. It seems I hit a raw nerve,
 Are you saying you are not a private detective and do not live near Bowlingreen, Ky ?
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 14, 2012, 04:32:06 AM
  Bill,
 I think two posts by you anxwer the question. It seems I hit a raw nerve,
 Are you saying you are not a private detective and do not live near Bowlingreen, Ky ?

Yes, that is EXACTLY what I am saying.  (Edit)  I am also saying that I have never pm'd, nor spoken to TK about ANY device...be it yours, or anyone's.  I continue to say that I am not now, nor have ever been friends with anyone calling themselves AB Hammer.  I also did NOT ever say that this device talked about here in this topic will never work.  Is there anything else that you want to toss out there that is wrong about me?  Life is waaay to short for this BS.

Bill

Edit   I also only edit my posts for spelling and clarity.  Being a Moderator on 2 other topic areas does NOT allow me to do anything here that you can not do yourself.  Have I covered everything?
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 14, 2012, 05:06:22 AM
  Bill,
 When I show you live in Kentucky, what will you say ?
 You and your freinds have done nothing but be a source of detraction concerning the topic of this thread. In all of your posts, you and your friends have never mentioned the feasability of my design.
 Only losers would attack someone for trying to improve their own circumstance while helping others if the opportunity presents itself.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 14, 2012, 05:16:43 AM
bill,
if u want this to be about u, u will lose ur license.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: TinselKoala on August 14, 2012, 05:28:38 AM
:o edited
 TK
You said I have a misconception,
You referenced a rivers cyclic behavior due to solar radiation,
 You have seriously missec something. What you posted to demonstrate my ignorance is something King Solomon discussed in the Old Testament of the Bible.
 I would suggest people ignore your posts.

Jim
 
edited to add; I believe Tinsel Koala is a friend of AB Hammer. I know Pirate 88719 (Bill) is.
 Alan is a theologian who knows the Bible. it's sad. I remember Alan's posts. he told me he could teach my father engineering, even how to build a Viking longship. His specialty is antiquities. Mt father worked in a boat shop which I have been told has become a museum.
 You see, my father is from Norway and worked in his father's and grandfather's boat shop doing work by hand. AB Hammer has told me if my father apprenticed under him that he could teach my father what he already knows, engineering.
 Something else AB Hammer and his friends have missed;
  “For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.”        Ephesians 2:10 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NIV&search=Ephesians%202:10) NIV (http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/index.php?action=getVersionInfo&vid=31)
 I think that is one reason why I do not mind living my own life even if other people have it better than me. And as for my hobby
which is this, if it helps other people, then those who have said the road to Hell is paved with good intentions can have a beer with me and educate me to their beliefs.
 And if not, then I'll have one with Stefan and ask him how he has survived his own forum. LMAO!!!

Come on, Jim! You used the example of a water wheel as a "gravity wheel" didn't you?
Quote
And if you look at what gravity can do, look at a water wheel. that would be a realistic idea of how much power gravity could develop into commercial power.
Does this not look like a claim of getting power FROM GRAVITY to you? Sorry if I misinterpreted what you so clearly stated.

And why don't you ask ABHammer if he's a friend of mine. I str that I have been heavily critical of some of his gravity motor claims in the past, but it's been so long since I've even seen a post from him that I really can't recall. You are just being paranoid and silly. The fact that several people disagree with you on the same points and in the same manner does NOT mean that they are all the same person under different names, or part of some conspiracy against you. NO.... what it actually means is that you should consider those points, hear what people are telling you, and evaluate, or re-evaluate your position as objectively as possible. I realise that is very difficult for a God-fearing Christian, whose Book tells him all he really needs to know... but there it is.

And everybody already knows that they are fully free to ignore my posts at will. However... they just might be missing interesting and useful information if they do.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: TinselKoala on August 14, 2012, 05:36:21 AM
But Bill... you have left a couple of comments on some of my videos!!

That makes us co-conspirators, clearly....

 ::)
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 14, 2012, 05:50:14 AM
  @Bill and TK,
 I  am sorry I ever served in the military.
 Im just not smart like u guys.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 14, 2012, 05:54:22 AM
But Bill... you have left a couple of comments on some of my videos!!

That makes us co-conspirators, clearly....

 ::)
TK

Holy crap, I forgot about those.  Things like..."Nice work", or "great replication" are clearly comments opposed to any gravity powered device.

Jim, what license are you talking about?  I have 2 of them...a driver's license and a concealed carry license.  Are you threatening to have either one of them, or both, revoked?  Do you really have such powers?

Please stop with the threats and personal insults and assumptions about things that obviously you know nothing.  Continue to play with your devices and, I truly hope you make one of them work...I really do.

Bill
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 14, 2012, 06:33:01 AM
bill,
considering you and tk have ignored the topic this thread is about lets me know ur on about something else.
 what, u don't live in Ky ?
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 14, 2012, 07:25:49 AM
bill,
considering you and tk have ignored the topic this thread is about lets me know ur on about something else.
 what, u don't live in Ky ?

OK, you got me...I am on about something else.  That is the only reason i come to this site so I can stop good folks from violating the laws of physics in general, and gravity specifically.  I have not been on here in a while, but now I am back and hope to continue my experimentation.

You really don't believe me when I say that I hope your device works do you?  Well, I do and....I guess that is about all I can say without making you think I am really doing something else.  I will leave this topic as it is certain that I have not contributed anything positive to it.  Best of luck to you.

Bill
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: TinselKoala on August 14, 2012, 08:53:45 AM
bill,
considering you and tk have ignored the topic this thread is about lets me know ur on about something else.
 what, u don't live in Ky ?
Let's recap. The topic of the thread is "My invention", meaning your invention. Right so far?

Now... your first post was about patenting your invention. Along with that you made a patent-like description of some invention claims, and the focus I thought was on patenting it.  Right so far?

And I chimed in with what I know about patents and disclosures, along with a link to some information I thought you might not be aware of, concerning patenting YOUR INVENTION.

And so did Bill.

Several people commented on your invention, telling you to build it, pointing out what they think might be flaws in your scheme, giving you references, etc. and I made the comment correcting your _apparent_ misconception about water wheels being powered by gravity. OK, I'll accept your statement that you know the hydrologic cycle and you know that water wheels are solar powered, electric pumps that are not nuclear powered are solar powered, in fact just about everything except nuclear power plants is solar powered ultimately, even my hands typing this post. OK, fine, you got that and it was my misinterpretation of what you said that caused me to make that post.

Now... most of the rest of the thread is NOT you discussing your invention with those people who commented on it, but rather attacking and flaming, mildly, me and Bill. You even tried to post personally identifying information about Bill... which was wrong information, but it's the principle that counts. And of course we are defending ourselves against the flames, what do you expect?

So... if it's true that we are "ignoring" the topic of this thread.... isn't it mostly YOUR FAULT? I think it is. How could our suggestions that you BUILD YOUR DEVICE and see how it performs, possibly be interpreted as ignoring your topic?

I really think you are a bit paranoid, and it's hard to figure out the relevance of some of your posts, like your regret at joining the Army? Whaat?

What does Bill's or my locations have to do with anything, except your paranoia? If you want to discuss your Invention... discuss it, not whether or not you can get Bill's "licence" removed, whatever that means.
Don't flame me for being critical of things I see... you should be grateful, because the patent examiners are going to be seeing the same things.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 14, 2012, 03:01:22 PM
tk and bill,
it is like my brother Harold always said, if you don't know anything, you can always b.s. people.
 even tbough this forum is for discussing ideas like what I posted, the two of you seem to be nothing more than trolls.
probably why posting ideas in a forum is not a good idea.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 14, 2012, 03:10:54 PM
tk, if you read your first post, you said I lost any patent rights by posting my invention, tben bill said I would delete everything after someone smart like you points out my mistake even though I posted a link to the USPTO web site saying otherwise.
 That is why I think the two of you are trolls. You've made this thread about yourselves.
 You can have the thread.
 
edeited to add; it's really no use trying to discuss an idea online. if anyone is interested, send me a pm with your e-mail address and I'll explain how everything can be made to work.
 
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 14, 2012, 03:59:19 PM
Well, you just blew any chance of patenting that scheme, if that was your intention, by publishing your claims and drawings publicly.


http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/appxl_35_U_S_C_102.htm (http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/appxl_35_U_S_C_102.htm)

You will have to complete and file a NONprovisional patent application within one year from today or you cannot patent it at all. And that's not even considering whether the patent will be granted.
You will also have to demonstrate that your invention is New, Useful, and hasn't been demonstrated before by someone else. Good luck.

what you posted >>  Well, you just blew any chance of patenting that scheme, if that was your intention, by publishing your claims and drawings publicly.  <<
  What I had already posted.
On 3rd page.Provisional Application for Patent Filing Date Requirements It can be filed up to one year following the date of first sale, offer for sale, public use, or publication of the invention.
 http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/ProvApp.pdf (http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/ProvApp.pdf)
 
 why trying working in an overunity forum is a waste of time.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: camelherder49 on August 14, 2012, 04:10:18 PM
Seems Wiki does not agree with what has absolutely been proclaimed:
http:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convection#Gravitational or buoyant convection (http://www.overunity.com/http:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convection#Gravitational%20or%20buoyant%20convection)
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: camelherder49 on August 14, 2012, 04:45:59 PM
http:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/convection#Gravitational_or_buoyant_convection (http://www.overunity.com/http:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/convection#Gravitational_or_buoyant_convection)

Try this revised link
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 14, 2012, 04:49:51 PM
  @All,
 I'm going to keep the patent rights.
So will work offline.
 Wayne Travis mentioned the guy who invented the intermittent windshield wiper as a little guy who got ripped off by big businesses who made millions off his invention.
 Ford paid himb18 million and Chrysler paid him 12 million. It's funny how that can be considered getting ripped off.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: TinselKoala on August 14, 2012, 07:25:36 PM

what you posted >>  Well, you just blew any chance of patenting that scheme, if that was your intention, by publishing your claims and drawings publicly.  <<
  What I had already posted.
On 3rd page.Provisional Application for Patent Filing Date Requirements It can be filed up to one year following the date of first sale, offer for sale, public use, or publication of the invention.
 http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/ProvApp.pdf (http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/ProvApp.pdf)
 
 why trying working in an overunity forum is a waste of time.

Whatever, dude. If you don't want to read the actual LAW, that's your business.
The fact that you've got nothing patentable, at least not in what you've posted here, is beside the point. Get a patent lawyer, you will need one.

And yes.... you are wasting your time. That much we can agree on.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 15, 2012, 04:44:01 PM
  @All,
 This is just to protect the rights to my invention as stated by the USPTO and which I referenced in my first post.
 The drawing is for reference purposes and is to illustrate the mechanics involved in my invention.
 When the swinnging weight is in it's lower position, it would swing inward to location B where a catch would support the weight.
 In this position, it is closer to the fulcrum X than the counter weight at the position Z2. This would cause the invention to tilt
to the right lift the swinging weight weight to position C where it would be released.
 Because point Y2 is firther from point X than Z2 is, the cross bar would tilt to the left lowering the swinging weight's fulcrum and the swinging weight itself. This would allow the swinging weight's return motion to be along path A.
 Location O is where the line(s) lifting and lowering catch mechanism would be tied to a peg extanding from the cross bar. The pulleys lettered G are attached to the frame of the invention. The pulley lettered H is attached to the cross beam and moves with it. It is this series of pulleys that would help the invention to work in perpetuality as the catch mechanism can be placed where it works with the swinging weight to increase it's potential by lifting it higher than it's kinetic would allow it move.
 
edited to add, with a working perpetual motiion machine, there will be some fame but this does not mean much money would be made from it. For that to happen, people would need to buy one and they might not find it worth the money.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 15, 2012, 08:18:35 PM
  may see about building a model. have only a saw and a dremel motor with a 1/8 inch drill bit to work with.
it's almost a form of self abuse.
edited to add; have contactec one business tbat sells products similar to this and would have the means to help devolop it even though it might not take much.
 myself, haven't worked since May because trying to work through my medical problems proved to be to much,
 am now being treated by the V.A.
 so um, how to put ? have been trying but have mostly met critics. a working device might help me to get my medical situation resolved so I could return to work.
guess I have the motivation other people are missing.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 15, 2012, 11:39:37 PM
  The wood to build something for the dimensions given would be about $7.
 The main problem with such a small scale build is the need for precision. it
would create more headaches by trying to do things under difficult circumstances.
 The most important part of the design is the catch and release mechanism which
would lift the weight. It would need a ratchet type catch that a dowel or steel pins
extending from the sides of the weight could move past the catches. And once the
weight has been lifted, a "stop" could depress the catch releasing the swinging weight.
 While the weight is being lifted, it's weight would be supported by the catch. This is
what would allow it's force to be calculated from the position of the catch and not the
fulcrum.
 And this is something that might need to be done with some precision to allow the
invention to work. So, to the detractors, even if made out of wood, it is still a machine
and would need to function properly in order to work.
 Basically, it does require being able to do a proper build to make doing something
like this worth while. Otherwise you get the garbage that has been posted in this thread.
 And yes, it does take a lot of effort to design something that can work. Every detail needs
to be accounted for. As such, the stanchion in the middle supporting the cross beam could
be 3/8 of an inch wide with 4 pieces attaching it to a base that goes around the invention.
 The base could be nothing more than a rectangle made from the same 3/8th's x 4 board the
main stanchion is cut from. As for the pins that route the lines for the catch and release mechanism,
2 1/8" dowels on each side with a 1/4" thick board that can support one end of the steel pin would
work.
 The ratchet type devices could be angled pieces of wood that rotate on a steel 1/8th " pin and have
a weight that holds them in the up position. This weight should not be enough to stop the swinging
weight from moving past it. With a spring, they would wear out at some point and need to be replaced.
 I think I have covered everything.
 Oh, the cross beam, it could be 1/4" wide (thick actually) with 2 - 1/4" pieces (making a 1/2" piece)
between 2 cross beam lengths. The 2 pieces in the middle (the 1/2" thickness) would have aV shape
cut upwards into it. This would allow the main stanchion to have a narrower angle that would allow
the cross beam to rock back and forth on it without the benefit of a fulcrum. You know what I mean,
it would not need a pin and hole for a pivot.
 And when the swinging weight is being lifted, it could be in a straight line between the bottom where it is caught
and the top where it is released. The reason for this is if the swinging weight's fulcrum is the same distance from center as
the center of gravity for it's weight, then it would have off setting motins. The fulcrum would swing in an arc that
would prevent the weight being lifted from having an arcing motion of it's own. that is so obvious, I'm not even sure why I bothered to emntion it.
 And of course, if soemone thinks I missed something, they can build it and show ME where I did.
 And like I said, this will lead to that Bessler wheel someone said I know won't work.
 Guess not much else to say because it would probably take you guys a few days going over all the details to start understanding the construction and operation of this machine.
 
edited to add; some basic drawings to show how some of the machine can be built as described.
With the release for the swinging weight, a line attached to the frame could pull down on the ratchet type device when it has lifted the swinging weight to it's desired height.
 Will I build it ? Probably not. I'd have nothing to talk about. By the way, I was trained on the CATIA systems Boeing uses to design airplanes on.
It's short for 3 dimensional interactive design. That plus have much experience with complex blueprints. One reason why I was able to understand Bessler's mechanical drawings.
 Anyway, what I drew I learned back in junior high school. That type of layout.
 
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 17, 2012, 02:31:59 AM
  @All,
 I am going to work up to a build. One reason why some people decide to work of line is to ensure they get crecit for their work and not some troll camping out.
 Idea's do need to be developed which does take time and effort which would bring up the question of why bother with self proclaimed experts who have nothing to show.
 Wbile an idea like this is simple enough, it still tales a lot of paying attention to detail and probably 2 or 3 builds to get it right.
 It's this last reason why no one has done it yey. It's not that someone hasn't had a workable idea but the crap from trolls camping out.

 Jim
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 17, 2012, 02:49:15 AM
  @All,
  This a research forum. Idea's are meant to be discussed.
 With inventions, thought might be given to patent rights.
 This could prevent legal action for ideas that prove to have value.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 17, 2012, 05:12:56 PM
  if anyone is interested in building this, let me know.
 still am open to donating the patent rights to charity.

   Jim
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: TinselKoala on August 17, 2012, 05:56:13 PM
"It's this last reason why no one has done it yey. It's not that someone hasn't had a workable idea but the crap from trolls camping out."

It doesn't seem like you are getting much action, does it.

For your information.... at least one of the "trolls" that bother you so much has actually done several builds for people, like yourself, who have had ideas that for some reason or another they were unable to implement in an actual model. And on his own dime too.

The real reason why no one has done your "invention" is that even on the face of it, at first examination, any real builder of gadgets can see that it's not workable, AND your own attitude is so bad that nobody wants to work with you.

So the solution is very simple: suck it up and build it yourself.

Go down to your local high school with a technical shop class. They do still have those I hope. Approach the instructor with the same arguments and drawings you have presented here, and see if you can talk him (or her) into helping YOU build your very simple device precisely and accurately out of good materials with proper tooling.

Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 17, 2012, 06:34:13 PM
"It's this last reason why no one has done it yey. It's not that someone hasn't had a workable idea but the crap from trolls camping out."

It doesn't seem like you are getting much action, does it.

For your information.... at least one of the "trolls" that bother you so much has actually done several builds for people, like yourself, who have had ideas that for some reason or another they were unable to implement in an actual model. And on his own dime too.

The real reason why no one has done your "invention" is that even on the face of it, at first examination, any real builder of gadgets can see that it's not workable, AND your own attitude is so bad that nobody wants to work with you.

So the solution is very simple: suck it up and build it yourself.

Go down to your local high school with a technical shop class. They do still have those I hope. Approach the instructor with the same arguments and drawings you have presented here, and see if you can talk him (or her) into helping YOU build your very simple device precisely and accurately out of good materials with proper tooling.

   TinselKoala,
 your very first post in this thread, you contradicted yourself. And most people don't need the headache I've had to put up with. Just like AB Hammer saying he will teach me. I do the work and he gets the credit.
 I have put forth a fair amount of effort building. Why you and who ever it is yopu are talking about probably have not spent much time studying math to know which detail to pay attention to.
 Also, as far as i know, Stefan doesn't have a problem with someone working openly in his forum. It seems the people who have a problem with that are the experts that have no work of their own to show. In that regard, I don't think I've ever seen you or Bill post your own idea and allow it to be cticized or what ever by everybody else.
 this could be another reason why people take down their video's. Like Bill posted, I already know what I am working on will not work.
 Why don't you bother somebody else ?
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 17, 2012, 06:43:27 PM
   @All,
 Here is a vidoe that shows how lifting a weight closer to a cross beams center changes it's relative mass. Sometimes, being mindful of how trigonometry helps to understand this shows how it can work.
 If the distance from the center of the fulcrum to the center of gravity of the weight is the hypoteneuse, then we know that if the weight swings to an angle of 30 degrees, that it will have moved in that direction 1/2 the distance of the hypoteneuse.
 Simple. And that is what the idea is based on. The counter weight (opposing force) would be a constant.
 The picture shows a 2 1/2 lb. weight which would be for a larger scale build. The larger size would make for an easier build.
And since the weight has a hole in it's center, a 1/4" thick board could be bolted to each side of the weight. If it has a slot in it, thewn this would allow for a dowel going through it's center to be lifted. A much simpler idea than trying to get a ratchet type device to work.
 Then when the weight has been lifted, a line could lift the dowel allowing it to swing free. Of course the line would need to be attached to the base or the frame.
 Not sure when I'll be able to get around to building it. the reality is that not being able to work around my medical problem has made resolving that and getting back to work the number one priority in my life. Still, at some point will get back to building.
 
                                                                                                                                        Jim
 
youtube is processing it, taking longer than usual. will repost the link when the video is available to me.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBShOmZBR4k&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBShOmZBR4k&feature=youtu.be)
 
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 17, 2012, 07:33:03 PM
   @All,
 I think the builder TK is talking about is rlortie, if not, then it is ab hammer.
 In the years I've seen them post in the forums, I haven't seen either one of them build anything.
They openly  state they are private builders and we'd have to accept that they have something (an idea) worth protecting.
edited to correct spelling
 
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: TinselKoala on August 17, 2012, 07:39:33 PM
   @All,
 I think the builder TK is talking about is rlortie, if not, then it is ab hammer.
 In the years I've seen them post in the forums, I haven't seen either one of them build anything.
They openly  state they are private builders and we'd have to accept that they have something (an idea) worth protecting.
edited to correct spelling

LOL!!

http://www.youtube.com/user/TinselKoala?feature=mhee


Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: TinselKoala on August 17, 2012, 07:52:29 PM

   TinselKoala,
 your very first post in this thread, you contradicted yourself. And most people don't need the headache I've had to put up with. Just like AB Hammer saying he will teach me. I do the work and he gets the credit.
 I have put forth a fair amount of effort building. Why you and who ever it is yopu are talking about probably have not spent much time studying math to know which detail to pay attention to.
 Also, as far as i know, Stefan doesn't have a problem with someone working openly in his forum. It seems the people who have a problem with that are the experts that have no work of their own to show. In that regard, I don't think I've ever seen you or Bill post your own idea and allow it to be cticized or what ever by everybody else.
 this could be another reason why people take down their video's. Like Bill posted, I already know what I am working on will not work.
 Why don't you bother somebody else ?

LOL!
Here is my first post in this thread. Please indicate where and how I have contradicted myself.
http://www.overunity.com/12597/my-invention/msg331670/#msg331670

Am I bothering you? Sorry. I am really just trying to help.... but you don't want help, you want _confirmation_ of your idea. You want somebody else to do the hard work and take up the expense of constructing something, that you will then say wasn't built right because it doesn't work like you think it will.

And I will be very happy to put my math skills and education up against yours at any time. You and me, pencil and paper, no calculators or reference material allowed. Nobody has called you stupid or ignorant, we have just said your idea won't work and your ideas about the patenting process are flawed. But you want to start insulting people, their skills and education.... fine, that's your call. Just make sure you are right when you do it. In this case... I don't think you are right.

If you want to take a look at my latest projects, the ones that I post for criticism and input from people on this forum... you can start on my YT channel and look at the SassyClassE sstc, and the wireless power transmission videos. If you want to take a look at one of my mechanical builds that I did for another enthusiastic inventor... who was by the way making some of the same fundamental mistakes you are, I think... look for my build of mondrasek's magnet assisted gravity wheel.

I was happy to refer to my own work in passing and in the third person... but since you decide to try to degrade and insult me personally... well... DO THE MATH (tm RA).

Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 17, 2012, 08:05:53 PM
  TK,
 anyone can read your first post. you said I lost all patent rights by posting this idea.
 then you said in the next sentence that I have one year to file a patent,
 this is what I consider a contradiction,
 this is where I will believe the information I posted from the USPTO web site and provided a link for is correct.
 Also, I have done the math and all the difficult work with this idea. As builds go, I nave simplified the design enough to make it a relatively cheap build
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: zoelra on August 17, 2012, 08:37:01 PM
James,
 
I built a 2SO a few years ago and have been experimenting with it on and off ever since.  I have progressed to an overbalanced wheel that turns continuously in one direction, and have been testing various feedback mechanisms for that design.  Based on your drawings I think I can modify my original model to add in the lifting cord.  It is a basic wooden design with no bearings but it should suffice.  To get some quick feedback, I will physically attach the weight to the cord, because what you are really seeking (i think) is whether the balance weight will not only reset the main lever, but also raise the weight to it's original release height.  I will see what I can do this weekend (Aug 18 and 19) and will report back.
 
Rick
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 17, 2012, 09:21:33 PM
James,
 
I built a 2SO a few years ago and have been experimenting with it on and off ever since.  I have progressed to an overbalanced wheel that turns continuously in one direction, and have been testing various feedback mechanisms for that design.  Based on your drawings I think I can modify my original model to add in the lifting cord.  It is a basic wooden design with no bearings but it should suffice.  To get some quick feedback, I will physically attach the weight to the cord, because what you are really seeking (i think) is whether the balance weight will not only reset the main lever, but also raise the weight to it's original release height.  I will see what I can do this weekend (Aug 18 and 19) and will report back.
 
Rick

  Rick, Thanks.
 Hopefully it won't take to much of a modification. I might make a basic set up to show a simple catch and release mechanism.
 There is a way the 2SO might work based on what I've realized. The movements of the pendulums might need to be controlled
to realize the difference in force they both would have relative to the center of the cross beam.
 Any more, I think just showing where something does work to shut up the critics might be what would make it worth while.
 
 @TinselfKoala,
 Wanted to go to school for electronics but something always happened to where I ended up with machining and mill wrighting.
it does take something to build. but like you probably know from your own work that it can be a headache trying to figure out how you want to set something up. And I did watch a few of the videos you have posted.  ;)
 
                                                                                                                         Jim
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: zoelra on August 17, 2012, 09:28:25 PM
You have me thinking about the old design again.  In my designs I purposely placed the pendulum pivot point farther away from the lever pivot point than the balance weight (2:1 to be exact).  I did this to increase the range of motion of the pendulum pivot point so it would be easier to view and measure.  Capturing the pendulum bob in line with the main lever could be accomplished in many ways.  The first thing I will do is physically attach it to the lever (I have done this already) and show that the counter weight will easily lift the pendulum bob and reset the lever.  The additional feature you are suggesting (raising the weight back to it's original height) is the what is really in question.  I haven't done any math yet, but I would think that if the bob is close to the lever pivot point, there is a good chance, with the proper pulley ratio's, that the counter weight will be able to lift the bob back to it's original drop height.  Another thing to consider is releasing the weight near the 12 o'clock position (or at least somewhat higher than the 3 o'clock position).  This gives 4X CF at the bottom of the swing.  4X CF allows for a bob of less weight which will help when it needs to be lifted back to the reset position.   Also, the force required to raise the bob near the top of the swing is less than the force required to raise the bob when it is at the 3 o'clock position.  I'm sure you are already aware of these things but I thought I would mention them to be safe.
 
Rick
 
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 17, 2012, 10:27:41 PM
  Rick,
 one reason why I thought of placing the fulcrum the same distance from the pivot of the cross beam that the bob is from the pendulum is to keep tbe math basic.
 If the lifting line on the counter weight side is furtber from the cross beam's pivot than where tbe lifting line is lifting the bob, it will lift it higher,
 it's this increased lift that would allow for perpetuallity

    Jim

edited to add; when the bob is being lifted, it's angle to the fulcrum doesn't matter.
with something like a 30 degree angle, that might be the most efficient swing and would move the bob 1/2 the distane it is from it's fulcrum, what this does is allow for the opposing side to have sufficient lifting force and extra energy left over,
 by having tbe lifting line attached to the cross beam on the cw side, it will have more movement tban the bob would when the cross beam tilts.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 18, 2012, 03:43:01 PM
You have me thinking about the old design again.  In my designs I purposely placed the pendulum pivot point farther away from the lever pivot point than the balance weight (2:1 to be exact).  I did this to increase the range of motion of the pendulum pivot point so it would be easier to view and measure.  Capturing the pendulum bob in line with the main lever could be accomplished in many ways.  The first thing I will do is physically attach it to the lever (I have done this already) and show that the counter weight will easily lift the pendulum bob and reset the lever.  The additional feature you are suggesting (raising the weight back to it's original height) is the what is really in question.  I haven't done any math yet, but I would think that if the bob is close to the lever pivot point, there is a good chance, with the proper pulley ratio's, that the counter weight will be able to lift the bob back to it's original drop height.  Another thing to consider is releasing the weight near the 12 o'clock position (or at least somewhat higher than the 3 o'clock position).  This gives 4X CF at the bottom of the swing.  4X CF allows for a bob of less weight which will help when it needs to be lifted back to the reset position.   Also, the force required to raise the bob near the top of the swing is less than the force required to raise the bob when it is at the 3 o'clock position.  I'm sure you are already aware of these things but I thought I would mention them to be safe.
 
Rick

  Rick,
 Here is something you might want to consider for your 2SO. The bob's on both pendulums are connected much like a locomotive's wheel is connected to another one.
 The trick if you will is to have the motion of the apparatus controlled at all times. When the pendulums swing from left to right, they do it only after the left side becomes lower than the right. This should give the right side maximum leveraged potential.
 And when the right side drops lower, the bob's could then swing to the left. It may just be that when bob is in it's inner position. One way to try this before going into a build is to lock the pendulum's in the different positions that the attached diagrams reference and see if the proper movement is to be found. If so, then the hard work would begin and that would be figuring the way to make it work.
 And if anyone is wondering, after 2so.4, 2so.1 follows in what would hopefully be a repetitive cycle.
 
                                                                                                                                         Jim
 
edited to correct spelling.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: zoelra on August 18, 2012, 06:22:08 PM
Since both pendulums are tied together in a way that their positions along their respective paths would be the same (that is they drop at the same time and reach the bottoms of their swings at the same time) their CF would fight each other and the net down force would be 0 at all times.  There wouldn't be any force to produce or sustain the rocking motion.  That is if I am looking at the pictures correctly.



Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 18, 2012, 06:48:00 PM
Since both pendulums are tied together in a way that their positions along their respective paths would be the same (that is they drop at the same time and reach the bottoms of their swings at the same time) their CF would fight each other and the net down force would be 0 at all times.  There wouldn't be any force to produce or sustain the rocking motion.  That is if I am looking at the pictures correctly.
  Rick,
 If the angle of the cross bar is 10 degrees and the pendulums swing 30 degrees from perpindicular to gravity, that gives
about 1/3 or more (possibly over %40) the distance from the fulcrum to the bob as over/under balance. This would mean that for every 1 foot the bob's are from their fulcrum's, that the center of balance from the cross beam's pivot is shifted a minimum of 4 inches.
A simple test would be to connect the 2 weights. And have something hold what's connecting the weights to one side and see if the cross beam doesn't tilt downward ion that direction.
 As the diagram shows, as the cross beam tilts, what ever is used to hold the weights shifted will need to be curved. for a basic test, even a board and a bolt would work.
  One thing I like about 30 degree angles is that at 1 meter from the fulcrum, a weight would lift/drop 13.4% while moving laterally 50%. One reason why pendulum's are so efficient.
                                                                                                                       Jim
 
edited to add; if the pendulums only swing 15 degrees, this would still shift the center of balance about 20% the length the fulcrum's are from their bob's. And if you have 10 lbs. at 3 feet and the bob's are on rods 2 ft. long, then the resultant shift in force is about 6 lbs.did some quick math so it will be off a little. but I think that would be enough to tilt it one way before letting the pendulum's swing in unison to shift the balance the other way and have another approx. 6 lbs. of over balance.
 If the math is right, then it would be a start and in the thread on Milcovik's pendulum, in over 10 years no one has been able to take it perpetual. Then again, they've never tried something like this.
 
                                                                                                                                  Jim
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 18, 2012, 07:28:15 PM
 the shift in force would be about 6 ft. lbs, and not 6 lbs.
 It might be possible to shift the pendulums even more by using the momentum from the cross beams tilting motion. This would increase their swinging motion to hopefully account for entropy.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 19, 2012, 12:00:25 AM
  Rick,
 If you're interested in working together on the 2SO or what I'm trying, send me a pm
 to many hecklers in here.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 19, 2012, 07:45:15 PM
  @All,
 Have started the build. I will be using unconvential techniques because things like bearings and bushings won't be used.
  If I can, I will use veneer to improve it's appearance.
 Not sure if I'll be posting any more. Only someone interested in building would find it's construction interesting. And that would be because they would want to have a better go of it.
     Jim
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 20, 2012, 04:21:38 PM
  @All,
 Will have to change the design. What I found is I could possibly
have 1/2 inch pound of force for an over balance on one side. Going the
other way, it would be about 1 1/2. I'll need to go over the numbers some more
to see if I can get a better balance.
 Still, have been considering if a small Bessler wheel would work. If nothing else,
I would have a model to show what I've been talking about. *Until I get something
built to put to the math...
 
 And for the trolls, sometimes having someone else building makes it a little better.
After all, this build costs about $10 and this is an overunity forum. Not sure why that
would bother some people unless...
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: zoelra on August 20, 2012, 07:17:35 PM
Hello James,
 
Sorry I was really busy over the weekend and didn't make as much progress as I would have liked.  The stand for my old 2SO would not suffice so I came up with the idea of mounting the main lever on the wall in my garage.  I added an additional bar above the lever that will hold the pulleys for the lever.  You may want to consider this approach as it saves time on making a stand.  The picture I have attached shows where I am headed.  I do plan on getting as close to your specifications as possible.  My goal will be to validate your idea that the counter weight will be able to reset the pendulum to it's initial drop height.  I'm glad to see you are planning your build.
 
 
 
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: zoelra on August 20, 2012, 07:20:21 PM
My picture is not showing up in the previous post, but the link works.  Anyone know why?  The filesize is 468K.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 20, 2012, 11:13:45 PM
Hello James,
 
Sorry I was really busy over the weekend and didn't make as much progress as I would have liked.  The stand for my old 2SO would not suffice so I came up with the idea of mounting the main lever on the wall in my garage.  I added an additional bar above the lever that will hold the pulleys for the lever.  You may want to consider this approach as it saves time on making a stand.  The picture I have attached shows where I am headed.  I do plan on getting as close to your specifications as possible.  My goal will be to validate your idea that the counter weight will be able to reset the pendulum to it's initial drop height.  I'm glad to see you are planning your build.

  Not a bad way to about something. I put an x about where the pendulum would need to swing from.
I'm going to try to think of a simple way to catch and release the pendulum. Actually, think I already have.
 I'll post it later.
                                                                                                                Jim
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: TinselKoala on August 20, 2012, 11:23:40 PM
@zoelra:
It's a well-known forum glitch, usually resolves in an hour or so. I see your inline image now. Don't fret, as long as you see two listings of the attachment, it will eventually show up as an inline image as well as the download link.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: zoelra on August 20, 2012, 11:26:25 PM
As is, the main lever is just over 4' long, (2'+ on either side of the pivot point).  There are holes drilled every 6".  The length of the pendulum shaft is 1'.  Each of the weights is 2.5lb.
 
 
 
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: TinselKoala on August 20, 2012, 11:33:46 PM
@johnny: some research terms for you:

Moment
Arm
Moment arm
Torque

You might also like to take a look at a book called "Statics and Dynamics: Vector mechanics for engineers" by Beer and Johnston (get a used copy if you can find one) and their "supersite" here:

http://www.mhhe.com/engcs/engmech/beerjohnston/

You do have some calculus under your belt, I hope.

keep building, cheers....
--TK
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: zoelra on August 20, 2012, 11:53:58 PM
Sorry, I posted before finishing my thoughts.  This build will assume the bob has already been trapped by the cord and will test the falling of the counter weight and lifting of the bob.  I plan on testing different pulley positions, bob heights, and counter/bob weights to see if I can find the right combination.  The way the two weights are interconnected with the cord, this looks to be a basic 1:1 pulley setup.  As the counter weight falls, the bob is lifted.
 
I hope to complete a few tests this evening.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 21, 2012, 01:48:59 AM
  Rick,
 with something like this, modifying things shouldn't be to difficult.
 It may be lifting at a 2:1 ratio might work.
 One thing I thought of is that when the pendulum swings outward, it landing on a ramp might help. It would be some what of a trade off.
 It would lose some force because the ramp would be pushing it further out. But as long as it has more force than the counter weight, then that's okay. It could be that it would take a two step process.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: zoelra on August 21, 2012, 03:57:24 PM
James,
 
The first test I wanted to do was a 1:1 setup to see if the 2.5lb counter weight would lift the 2.5lb bob.  One end of the cord is fixed to the center of the counter weight and the other end to the center of the bob.  Well there was no lift with this setup.  In fact the bob actually pulled down slightly raising the counter weight.  However, when I added some weight to the counter weight, the reset action ocurred as you predicted.  I need to take the mechanism off the wall and drill new holes to get the setup close to your specs.  I also need to adjust the pulley mechanisms as the cord kept getting caught between the bearings and the side washers.  See my second post for a short video of this first test.
 
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: zoelra on August 21, 2012, 04:15:47 PM
The video is too large to attach.  I will work on reducing the size.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: zoelra on August 21, 2012, 04:59:15 PM
Ok, here is the video.
The first part of the video is with the weights being even.  You can see the mechanism drops slightly on the bob side.  When weight is added to the counter weight, that side becomes heavier and the mechanism moves to reset the bob.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 21, 2012, 06:36:33 PM
Ok, here is the video.
The first part of the video is with the weights being even.  You can see the mechanism drops slightly on the bob side.  When weight is added to the counter weight, that side becomes heavier and the mechanism moves to reset the bob.

  Rick,
 There is something I have thought of. Can you try running the line from the pulley on the left to directly to the swinging weight.
 It won't lift it As high, but it would pull it in the direction it is swinging. And this would be with  one to one weight.
 
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edited to dd; it should lift the swinging weight close to a 45 degree angle.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: zoelra on August 21, 2012, 07:05:17 PM
I know the angle of the pendulum shaft is not at 45 degrees, but is the cord run correctly?
 
Also, I'm sure you had a chance to view the video, with a little extra weight on the counter weight side, the reset works.  I have to go back and read my original post to you, but I may have misspoke about the weight and distance relationships.  My early tests used a 5lb weight for the counter weight and a 2.5lb weight for the bob.  I dropped the pendulum from a level position.  At the bottom of the pendulum swing, the down force was
 
5lb (CF of 2X weight of bob) + 2.5lb (weight of bob) = 7.5lb
 
This lifted the counter weight of 5lb.
 
What I am getting at here is if the counter weight weighs more than the bob, the reset looks like it could work in this scenario.  I guess moving the cord attach position from the center of the counter weight to a position closer to the main lever pivot point would also increase the force, but it would also reduce the distance traveled.  A future test will show this.
 
Anyway, your reset approach is looking good !!!!
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: zoelra on August 21, 2012, 07:07:49 PM
I need to make a YouTube account so I can post so longer running videos.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 21, 2012, 07:34:51 PM
  Rick,
 You might be pleasantly surprised. By pulling the pendulum with the pulley over tbe counter weight, it could move the pendulum further.
 I do like your set up. I'm kind of surprised someone hasn't thought of a test set up like yours before now.

   Jim

edited to add; yep, I've seen your video. I think I'm going to build something like you have to do some tests with.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: zoelra on August 21, 2012, 08:30:49 PM
I see what you are saying about the force being less because of the angle.  In one of my ealier posts, I suggested a higher drop position because the force would be less near the top (also because of the angle).  Same idea as your suggestion, except the weight would have to be "pushed up" rather than "pulled up".  I like higher drop points because I want greater CF at the bottom of the swing, hopefully to do more work.
 
Mounting on a wall does have it's advantages.
 
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 21, 2012, 09:25:58 PM
I see what you are saying about the force being less because of the angle.  In one of my ealier posts, I suggested a higher drop position because the force would be less near the top (also because of the angle).  Same idea as your suggestion, except the weight would have to be "pushed up" rather than "pulled up".  I like higher drop points because I want greater CF at the bottom of the swing, hopefully to do more work.
 
Mounting on a wall does have it's advantages.

  Once you get to know me, you'll find sometimes I can just enjoy doing the math. I am hoping this weekend to build a test fixture.
 One thing about lift is once the angle goes over 45 degrees, the amount of work is greater than the cf it would generate. An example of this is a 1 lb. weight could lift a 2 lb. weight to 45 degrees. And if 2 one lb. weights are used, it should lift the pendulum a little higher.
 That's when they ( a 2 lb. and a 1 lb. weight) would be in equilibrium. And if you look at the shift in balance, going with 45 degrees, if the bob is 10 in. from it's fulcrum, it would shift 14 inches.
 How they translates into useable force, not really sure. But what is known is that once the weight is beneath it's fulcrum, it would have shifted 7 inches. That would mean the counter weight could possibly be in closer about 3 1/2 inches.
 What I like about your set up is that it can probably give a good idea if it's worth pursuing. I think it can test most of the parameters to see if the potential for maintaining a single oscillation pendulum is possible.
 
edited to add; @All, i have asked Stefan to change the name of this thread to single oscillation pendulum.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 22, 2012, 12:09:54 AM
  one thing I figured out is a 10 lb. weight would have about 12 ounces of cf if it swung from a height of about 12 inches.
 If the pendulum is 12 incnes long, a 30 swing equals 6 inches. If the pendulum is 18 inches from center, it lessens the force of the weight by about 1/3rd. This is where tbe most potential might be able to be realized.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 22, 2012, 02:24:21 PM
  zoelra,
 to try for a perpetual pendulum, what needs to be known is how much motion it loses swinging from one side to the other and back again. then the question would be when the cross beam tilts to the cw side, can it lift the pendulum sufficiently to compensate for it's entropy.
 if the pendulum is pulled up from a 45 degree angle, the hoist can probably be over driven with a 1.5:1 ratio.
 the pendulum can be caught at it's inner most swing limiting how much the cross beam would need to tilt.
 will be relaxing so I'll be ready to go this weekend.
 of course, some would say God gave this to me because it's what I need when what I wanted was a family.
 
edited to add, zoelra, here is a video of a weight swinging with little resistance. as one person mentioned, can't tell angles without calculus. wish I would have known that sooner.
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFS1so_sccI&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFS1so_sccI&feature=youtu.be)
 
edited to add; maybe tinselkoala can do some calculus to mark the swing from one side to the next and back again to find it's entropy. as he said, it's over my head. And if you pull the pendulum's weight from an angle of 45 degrees, it can move the weight 1 1/2 times more than the cw while the cw weighs half as much. I'm sure somewhere they can say a book says that but it would have to be in other terms like w=md, but then, how is that in literal mechanical motion or application ?
 love it when someone links all sorts of material but is vague as to what it says and where it says it. means they didn't read the book they're quoting, only heard of it.
         any way, do need to take a break. my medical situation is my life. it's better than trying to work around idiots who are to lazy to consider something. seems then it's more of a control issue. you know, someone is doing something and they aren't the lead dog. then again, I thought that was why Stefan started this forum, so people would have a place to discuss idea's that might not be main stream.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: zoelra on August 22, 2012, 04:18:51 PM
The attached video shows the results of running the cord along a 45 degree path to the pendulum bob.  The counter weight raises instead of falling which says there are other forces in play.  My guess is this is due to a portion of the weight of the bob still being applied to the pendulum shaft and then the mail lever.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: AB Hammer on August 22, 2012, 04:20:12 PM
   @All,
  A cleaner drawing. The one I will build will use a deck with cleats. Somewhat of a homeage
to my having been around ships.
 If the release line is attached to the top part of the catch mechnism, then when the line is pulled
taut, it should release the swinging weight. The weight can have the rod to the fulcrum going
through it. This will allow it to slide slightly up it as it pushes the catch mechanism away before
the catch mechanism moves under the swinging weight to catch it on it's return movement. it is this line which will
time the movement or rocking/tilting of the cross beam. The catch mechanism can catch pins that are located on the
sides of the weights. This means that there woulld be 2 catch mechanisms working together, one for each side of the
weight.
 The cross beam's motion can be controlled by stops placed on the cross beam which interact with the
main support that the cross beam pivots on.
 The pulley for the opposing weight can be attached to the main support at about an angle of 45 degrees.
This will allow the force the line places on the pin or pulley to be in the direction of the support.
 The basic size from center pivot of the cross bem to the center of the pin for the swing weight is
12" (inches). The cross beam is centered length wise to maintain it's balance between left and right.
 
                                                                                                            Jim
 
 
 And to modify the agreement I posted, I do not work with private builders
associated with the Arrache build group.
This includes AB Hammer.
 
                     
                     
                     
                     
               James . Lindgaard
 
 
To set a story straight. Most of us will not work with James Lindgaard either. But I do wish Jim the best of luck.
Alan / AB Hammer
PS- Yes Jim, I am still around. I just don't post much due to I don't have the time with all the reconstruction going on.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: zoelra on August 22, 2012, 04:48:43 PM
Well James suggested an approach to closing the loop with the 2SO and it looks promising.  He is just another guy trying to solve the riddle.  I respect that.  I will help anyone that I can, assuming I can afford it and it does not distract too much from my own build.  I have limited experience with all the designs presented so I don't post much.  In fact, I only recently started posting on this forum because of my past experience and belief in the 2SO.  I will share my build in time.  I have no desire to patent.
 
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 22, 2012, 05:47:04 PM
 that's nice alan.
and maybe the next time you of someone working through cancer, you will leave them alone ?
 and you are right, my dad isn't to smart. after all, he did move to America.
 I can work off line and if my work doesn't look like it's the only thing I've ever done, that's okay because I will have done other things.
 You know what they say, Jack of all trades anc master of none.
 I can live with that.

edited to add; without a patent on a perpetual pendulum, only businesses would profit and who knows what else would ensue such as legal battles. but dic find out a willingness to donate patent rights brought about the same old problems.
 of course, like alan and his friends say is that bessler's wheel can be patented because no one knows what his wheel was like. integrity ?

bye
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: zoelra on August 22, 2012, 07:09:10 PM
James,
 
I think my evening is open tonight so I really want to move on to the next test.  This would be to move the cord attachment point from the counter weight to a position between the weight and main lever pivot point.  This will increase the down force caused by the counter weight but will also shorten the distance the bob is lifted.  I have no doubt a reset movement will occur, but how much movement is the question.  Sorry I haven't tested all of your suggestions yet.  I have every intention to do so, I just need more time.
 
I have a stack of memory sticks here with me at work today.  If one of them has my old 2SO vids, I will post.
 
Rick
 
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: zoelra on August 22, 2012, 07:18:58 PM
I should clarify my position on patenting.  I would like to (if for no other reason than to protect my right to sell and profit from the invention), but after reading so much about this, I'm not sure I want the headache of it all.
 
Of course patenting implies one has found the solution, so I guess we all hope to be put in such a position.
 
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 22, 2012, 07:23:30 PM
  zoelra,
 what people might find interesting and hopefully be easy for you to do is have 5 lbs. on the pendulum and 2 1/2 for tne counter weight. the line would go from the cw to the pulley above it then to the bob. a weight would be moving twice it's own weight.
 maybe alan can discuss it with you. only reason I thought of trying something like this got tired of a thread that is 10 years old. it's something like 12 times more power, alan knows which one I'm talking about.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: zoelra on August 22, 2012, 08:12:40 PM
James,
 
I am confused.  Please correct me where I am wrong.
 
2.5lb as the CW and 5lb as the BOB.  Cord goes from CW to overhead pulley then straight to BOB.
 
This is basically the setup I used in my last video post, but I used identical 2.5lb weights for the CW and BOB.  In that setup, the BOB lifted the CW and with a fair amount of force.  This is opposite the reset movement we are seeking.
 
I am attaching that video to this post.
 
Rick
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 22, 2012, 08:37:35 PM
 can't see videos right now.
what 2 1/2 lbs. lifting 5 lbs. would show that a 2 1/2 lb. cw could drop 2 inches while a 2 1/2 lb. bob could move 3 inches. it would be one way lost motion of the bob could be restored.

Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 22, 2012, 11:55:27 PM
  zoelra,
 tomorrow, I will post a diagram that will be fairly simple. And if that doesn't show anything, then I'd have to think it unlikely of being able to work perpetually.

edited to simplify post.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 23, 2012, 09:50:23 PM
  zoelra,
 the diagram is for reference only. as tinselkoala has pointed out previously, I do not have a computer to work and references are not acceptable.
 What the digram shows is that using 5 lb. weights, there is 45 inches pounds for the counter weight and 60 inch pounds for the pendulum.
 If the pendulum swings inward 3o degrees and the cross beam tilts 4 inches, this will lift the bob 2 inches. If the bob is being pulled from the side to maintain a 30 degree relationship with gravity (no gain), it might be able to be lifted the 2 inches for less than 10 pounds of work. This is because pulling it from the side
should use less energy. And then it might be possible to have 10 inch pounds of the counter weight power a "winch" at something like an 8:1 ratio. Even at such a small movemewnt, when the bob is being pulled to the side, if it requires even 2 1/2 lbs. of force to hold the angle, it will move higher.
 Why this would matter is when it swings, with the fulcrum being 4 inches higher, this would mean a 4 inch drop in the bob as it swings. And this drop might allow it to swing back to 30 degrees. The vertical drop of the fulcrum would add some momentum to the bob but can't be sure how much.
 If you want to mess with it, it's all yours. If so, try having a 1 pound weight using a hoist type pulley to see if it can hold the bob to one side. It'd end up being a lot of work in the end if it's possible.
 But I've put a lot of work over the years into Bessler's wheel. And what is so funny about that is the floks over at Bessler wheel.com don't believe perpetual motion is possible.
zoelra, here's a some what simple idea I came up with. I like how Alex modified it. No reason something like this wouldn't work. It's based on a pump being able to pump enough water into a tank which feeds a bucket that operates the pump.
Kind of why I wonder why tk thinks I need to learn his ways. He's posted over 4500 times and probably has nothing to say. Needless to say, I think I am tired of the trolls in these forums. But check out the thread.
                                                                                                                                                             Bye
 
http://www.overunity.com/12426/continuously-flowing-water-theory/ (http://www.overunity.com/12426/continuously-flowing-water-theory/)
 
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 24, 2012, 12:14:29 AM
To set a story straight. Most of us will not work with James Lindgaard either. But I do wish Jim the best of luck.
Alan / AB Hammer
PS- Yes Jim, I am still around. I just don't post much due to I don't have the time with all the reconstruction going on.

 oh, alan, remember this post of yours ? Saying my medical problems make me a fraud ?
 But you say that is not slander, it is and something I shiold sue you for.
 http://besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4656 (http://besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4656)
 
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on August 24, 2012, 01:18:31 AM
  zoelra,
 this was an idea I helped webby1 (Tom) develop. Not sure why he lost interest in it.
But now that I know tk and others are messaging each other about me, not sure what all
they're up to.
 But you might find this idea interesting. it's funny though, when I'm done with Bessler's
wheel, i might not make it known. To much hate surrounding it.
http://www.overunity.com/12337/webby1s-pendulum/ (http://www.overunity.com/12337/webby1s-pendulum/)
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: zoelra on August 27, 2012, 05:15:09 PM
Hi James,
 
Sorry for not posting earlier.
 
Last night I was able to make some additional videos which I will now try to explain.  In order to use the same weight for the counter weight and pendulum bob, I had to move the counter weight out 6 inches so that there was sufficient torque to pull the lever back down after the pendulum swing.  I also added an additional mount so I could swing the pendulum and mark how high the main lever rose (on the counter weight side) when the pendulum was at the bottom of its swing.  I drew a line on the main lever to indicate the initial drop position of the pendulum lever relative to the main lever.  I also added a line on the opposite side of the pendulum pivot point which represents where the pendulum lever should stop after its swing (same height as drop height).  After measuring how high the pendulum lever actually rose, the difference would be the height the reset mechanism would need to lift the bob.
 
Interesting enough, the main lever did not drop (or not by much) by the time the pendulum bob came to a stop at the top of its swing on the inside position.   This is what is shown in the first video (f1).  In the second video (f2), I lowered the camera to a position that was level with the top of the pendulum bob when it came to a stop at the top of its swing on the inside position.  I put a piece of blue tape on wall behind the pendulum, and after a few test swings, I marked the top position with a black line.  I then connected a cord to the main lever and the pendulum bob so that when the main lever was at the top position, the pendulum bob would be at the actual position it came to after its swing.  This is what is shown in the third video (f3).  I also attached a picture which was a slide out of f3 that shows how high the pendulum rose when the main lever was at its highest position.  On this picture I marked in red the drop and ideal raise position of the pendulum lever.
 
Well from the videos you can see that the pendulum does not return to the same height (or relative position against the main lever) from which it was dropped.  You can also see that the reset mechanism does not fully reset the weight.  By moving the cord further out along the main lever, the distance it travels vertically may allow the bob to be raised further.  More testing is required.  I think the results though are position and worth thinking about.  Also keep in mind that I did not use bearings so the main lever and pendulum bob did not raise as high as they could have due to increased friction.
 
Rick
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: zoelra on August 27, 2012, 05:21:07 PM
2nd and 3rd video and pic
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: zoelra on August 27, 2012, 11:20:32 PM
I think I need to clarify what I said in my previous post.  The attached picture (f2-slide) is taken from the second video (f2) when the pendulum bob has come to a stop at the top of its swing to the inside.  At this time, the main lever is also at its highest position.  Note the position of the pendulum lever relative to the main lever.  In the third video (f3) a cord has been added to link the pendulum bob to the main lever such that when I lift the lever to it's highest point, the pendulum bob is also at its highest point (as determined during the swing test in the second video (f2).  When I let the lever drop, the bob is raised, but not to the initial drop position.  In the video I manually show how high it still has to be lifted.  Open the third video and place it just above the pic so you can still see the pic.  You will see when I lift the lever to the top position, it resembles the arrangement of the levers in the picture.
 
By positioning the cord attachment point out further along the main lever, this will increase the amount of cord pulled and will lift the bob higher.  Of course the counter weight may have to be moved out further as well or made heavier to counter the increased torgue due to moving the attachment point out further.
 
 
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on September 03, 2012, 12:04:16 AM
  Rick,
 I owe you a bit of an apology. on Tuesday I'll check out your videos. One thing I have been wondering if a strictly mechanical system can achieve overunity. I know with fluids and gasses, they have qualities where they can perform work that mechanical means can't do.

      Johnny

edited to add; Rick, there might be a fairly simple way to keep that pendulum swinging.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on September 03, 2012, 01:47:08 AM
 might not be so simple. if a weighted is hoisted by the fulcrum then it's being dropped might be able to accelerate the bob.
 if not, then using scissors like webby1 thought of might be able to work in some fashion,
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: zoelra on September 07, 2012, 12:07:00 AM
Sorry for not posting earlier.  I've been extra busy at work and I take my work home with me ... literally.  Last weekend I did cut down the pendulum shaft to 6" to perform more tests.  Big mistake.  I should have known better.  A short pendulum shaft decreases the period of the swing and effectively the length of time the CF has to work on lifting the counter weight.  The counter weight barely lifted off its stop.  I'm thinking a 2' long pendulum shaft would work much better.  I will keep you posted.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on September 07, 2012, 04:34:30 AM
  Rick,
 One thing you might try with your longer pendulum is having the counter weight 3 inches closer to center.
 About a 10 degree tilt of the cross beam might show you something.

  Jim
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: gadgetmall on September 07, 2012, 01:51:12 PM
Jimbo . You can't patent it unless you are rich . Been there . you have to have a patent attorney number one . Then you PAY for a Patent Search (TIme consuming) when and if it comes back clean or not is the question. THEN you pay for provisional patent application(Includes drawings sketches and summary) that give you 12 months from the date of filing but in your case non provisional application which is immediate and requires more money and Immediate CLAIMS plus PROOF and Detailed Drawings ,Explanations ,uses , and then if those criteria are met it depends on what KIND of device it is . this can be as little as 7000.00 but in likelihood 10000.00 Plus all the money you spend for patent searches and non provisional applications .PLUS Maintenance Fees and if you patent it in one country you must pay additional to protect it in other countries .be prepared to dish out 30,000.00 plus for a 9 to 20 year patent .Been there and it was a bad idea .It will give you a bad reputation and cast doubt . People thought i used their research to make money when there was originality involved and it was Cleared thru patent search however  I have Family to think about and they come first and i am not rich and considered in the poverty level of the US . .
Tis better for all to give it away unless you are Rich or find a Backer with money willing to throw it away .

Gadget
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on September 07, 2012, 05:05:45 PM
I think I need to clarify what I said in my previous post.  The attached picture (f2-slide) is taken from the second video (f2) when the pendulum bob has come to a stop at the top of its swing to the inside.  At this time, the main lever is also at its highest position.  Note the position of the pendulum lever relative to the main lever.  In the third video (f3) a cord has been added to link the pendulum bob to the main lever such that when I lift the lever to it's highest point, the pendulum bob is also at its highest point (as determined during the swing test in the second video (f2).  When I let the lever drop, the bob is raised, but not to the initial drop position.  In the video I manually show how high it still has to be lifted.  Open the third video and place it just above the pic so you can still see the pic.  You will see when I lift the lever to the top position, it resembles the arrangement of the levers in the picture.
 
By positioning the cord attachment point out further along the main lever, this will increase the amount of cord pulled and will lift the bob higher.  Of course the counter weight may have to be moved out further as well or made heavier to counter the increased torgue due to moving the attachment point out further.

  Rick,
 You're gonna hate me for this but I'm thinking when the pendulum slows at the end of it's swing that it needs a little push upwards. This would mean when the counter weight is dropping that the pendulum would be lifted from underneath.
 When the pendulum is changing directions it is basically weightless and that's why the counter weight drops regardless
which direction the pendulum swings in. If you want to keep trying this, you might start your own thread. After all, you're the one doing the building.    :D
 
                                                                                                                                   Jim
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on September 08, 2012, 01:06:36 AM
  Rick,
 tomorrow I'll post a capture of your video with how I think the pendulum's swing can be increased.

       Jim
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Magluvin on September 08, 2012, 03:14:22 AM
Jimbo . You can't patent it unless you are rich . Been there . you have to have a patent attorney number one . Then you PAY for a Patent Search (TIme consuming) when and if it comes back clean or not is the question. THEN you pay for provisional patent application(Includes drawings sketches and summary) that give you 12 months from the date of filing but in your case non provisional application which is immediate and requires more money and Immediate CLAIMS plus PROOF and Detailed Drawings ,Explanations ,uses , and then if those criteria are met it depends on what KIND of device it is . this can be as little as 7000.00 but in likelihood 10000.00 Plus all the money you spend for patent searches and non provisional applications .PLUS Maintenance Fees and if you patent it in one country you must pay additional to protect it in other countries .be prepared to dish out 30,000.00 plus for a 9 to 20 year patent .Been there and it was a bad idea .It will give you a bad reputation and cast doubt . People thought i used their research to make money when there was originality involved and it was Cleared thru patent search however  I have Family to think about and they come first and i am not rich and considered in the poverty level of the US . .
Tis better for all to give it away unless you are Rich or find a Backer with money willing to throw it away .

Gadget
You cant patent free energy devices period.  The SAWS document was on the USTPO home page but I dont see it there now. The site seems different than I remember. It may be in one of the menu pages. Or, the warning is not shown anymore and people just walk into the lions den.  :o   When I first read of it, it was on the home page as a notification to patent applicants.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2010/05/399130.shtml

Im doing a search for the original link. I have it in my drive.

Open source is all we got Jimbony.  Its the only way to spread the word that FE exists to the world. And it must spread like wild fire if presented as open source. MrWayne understands this. Thats why he is trying to get replications(and paying people to do them) working, to show that his device is real and others can build it to prove it to themselves. 

Patenting is a bait for greed(of the patent applicant, and the gov) when it comes to FE devices. But patenting a fridge magnet or post-its is where the big money is, for the simplest ideas. ;] 



MaGs
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on September 08, 2012, 04:10:45 AM
  MaGs,
 MrWayne has a patent for a free energy device
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Magluvin on September 08, 2012, 04:55:46 AM
From what I understand it is just a pat application filed or possibly a Provisional pat. Thats his business. If he has or does, it doesnt mean that the patent makes that claim. The patent(s) could be just bits and pieces of the whole, without claiming OU, yet protecting the bits and pieces that are required to build the whole. It is a common thing that some inventors do.

Im just giving fair warning. If Wayne does have, then why pay builders to replicate for 'validation'? And if he doesnt, what ever. Thats his business. I could care less about that and more about the knowledge he is 'giving'.  ;]  But some want more. All or nothing.  ?

Thats the difference between the wolves and the sheep. ;] 


MaGs
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on September 08, 2012, 10:18:42 AM
  as I've mentioned before, companies would love a free product to sell.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on September 08, 2012, 04:13:47 PM
Sorry for not posting earlier.  I've been extra busy at work and I take my work home with me ... literally.  Last weekend I did cut down the pendulum shaft to 6" to perform more tests.  Big mistake.  I should have known better.  A short pendulum shaft decreases the period of the swing and effectively the length of time the CF has to work on lifting the counter weight.  The counter weight barely lifted off its stop.  I'm thinking a 2' long pendulum shaft would work much better.  I will keep you posted.

  This will always be here when you have some free time. Anyway, here is something to think about, give the bob a swift
kick. the levers would be pretty much balanced so it should be fairly efficient. getting timed right would be the difficult part.
 I figure it could kick thebob with about 25% of the force hitting the lever on the counter weight side. that's because it would
be halfway through it's drop and 1/2 the upward movement might be transfered into the swift kick.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: gadgetmall on September 08, 2012, 08:43:22 PM
You cant patent free energy devices period.  The SAWS document was on the USTPO home page but I dont see it there now. The site seems different than I remember. It may be in one of the menu pages. Or, the warning is not shown anymore and people just walk into the lions den.  :o   When I first read of it, it was on the home page as a notification to patent applicants.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2010/05/399130.shtml (http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2010/05/399130.shtml)

Im doing a search for the original link. I have it in my drive.

Open source is all we got Jimbony.  Its the only way to spread the word that FE exists to the world. And it must spread like wild fire if presented as open source. MrWayne understands this. Thats why he is trying to get replications(and paying people to do them) working, to show that his device is real and others can build it to prove it to themselves. 

Patenting is a bait for greed(of the patent applicant, and the gov) when it comes to FE devices. But patenting a fridge magnet or post-its is where the big money is, for the simplest ideas. ;] 



MaGs
Yep you are correct . When mine passed the initial patent search it wasn't classified as a free energy device . there was a manual step involved . it was either flip a switch or swap battery . If i somehow devised a Circuit to do that automatically and still do what it did then it might have been rejected .
That Circuit is what Alex devised for the "other project"JT heater light for Ouprize . Ugg... and it just took too much away from the circuit to show the effect automatically .and if you search e-light you will now see 10's if not many more now have the tradename and none of them are me .BUT i know it was because of me .
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on September 10, 2012, 10:17:46 PM
Yep you are correct . When mine passed the initial patent search it wasn't classified as a free energy device . there was a manual step involved . it was either flip a switch or swap battery . If i somehow devised a Circuit to do that automatically and still do what it did then it might have been rejected .
That Circuit is what Alex devised for the "other project"JT heater light for Ouprize . Ugg... and it just took too much away from the circuit to show the effect automatically .and if you search e-light you will now see 10's if not many more now have the tradename and none of them are me .BUT i know it was because of me .

   gadget,
 nothing personal but I got flamed for years by ab hammer for working on Bessler's wheel and that can not be patented.
He is also a respected member of besslerwheel dot com. when he started the threead saying i was a fraud because of complications from treatment for cancer, I was surprised when other senior members of that forum told him he should not be posting stuff like that. What I believe is he did not want me working with other people. If I do it on my own then he could just as easily say he was being cruel to be kind (the post of him saying that is in this forum) and take credit for what efforts I put into it.
 He is the reason I changed my mind about just being glad to do something. After all, he was supported in this forum for his flaming me, about the only way to put it. If my mdeical issues bother him that much, then he shouldn't have had anything to do with me but as he said, everybody does what he wants unless they're whining. it's all he knows and you guys can have him.

 gadget, my brother came up wih a new design for a trowel and tried getting a company interested in it. 6 months later he realiized that by being trusting, he lost out.
 as to what you say you did, if you are tnat altruistic, then you are a special person but I have no need to work for free.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: gadgetmall on September 11, 2012, 06:46:44 PM
I guess i can respect that but this is an OPEN SOURCE forum so just be aware that anything here posted by it's members are public domain for all to take . FREE .

take care jonney847


Gadget
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on September 11, 2012, 07:31:45 PM
 when all people do is say they want when they contribute nothing means they deserve nothing.

edited to add; only me and zoelra contributed to this idea gadget because we were willing to work together.
 this is a research forum and open source doesn't mean to give the work to people who had no desire to contribute anything.
 patent laws do apply in here. after all, such laws were created to encourage innovation, not to discourage it.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on September 11, 2012, 08:50:36 PM
I think I need to clarify what I said in my previous post.  The attached picture (f2-slide) is taken from the second video (f2) when the pendulum bob has come to a stop at the top of its swing to the inside.  At this time, the main lever is also at its highest position.  Note the position of the pendulum lever relative to the main lever.  In the third video (f3) a cord has been added to link the pendulum bob to the main lever such that when I lift the lever to it's highest point, the pendulum bob is also at its highest point (as determined during the swing test in the second video (f2).  When I let the lever drop, the bob is raised, but not to the initial drop position.  In the video I manually show how high it still has to be lifted.  Open the third video and place it just above the pic so you can still see the pic.  You will see when I lift the lever to the top position, it resembles the arrangement of the levers in the picture.
 
By positioning the cord attachment point out further along the main lever, this will increase the amount of cord pulled and will lift the bob higher.  Of course the counter weight may have to be moved out further as well or made heavier to counter the increased torgue due to moving the attachment point out further.

   zoelra,
 I am going to work off line. I hope you saved my e-mail address. It seems the only reason some people hang around here is they are waiting for a free lunch.
 
                                                                                                                                                          Jim
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: gadgetmall on September 11, 2012, 10:03:56 PM
Hi .Johnny847 . I personally could care less about your water project .Zero Interest !  I got E.L.S.A. s. And much more advanced stuff to share with the community . You will be a hated bastard in the eye of the tigers and looked upon as a selfish turd . But not me cause i told you what the deal is . this is an OPEN SOURCE Community . Don't like it then go "offline" Otherwise you are a waste of space here . Ok >?I know these people and talk like yours is rejected and looked at as a blur //and i really am sorry for you man . I know some people might build that thing and i see you got some input so lets just try and get along . If you feel you discovered something no one else has tried in 2000 years then good for you . . It is good . So good that Johnny has it and he wants to keep it all for yourself ,and you don't get recognized  and you don't work for free . and you feel you are not respected or anyone wants to play with you  . Son . Do you see why now. Just get along and try not to be a snob. . i am not mad with you but at the same time it is hard to get along with you if you constantly dwell on your situation . remember this forum is here to help solve the problems we all face and we all share and work for FREE to obtain FREE Energy . If you just look at all the post @ Ou from  from Magnets to high tech electronics and every invention every made to produce power has and still is being worked on . It is fun to me! to me it is important to leave some part of myself  that helps some one else . It's no fun to build something really cool and keep it when there are people that need it and want it .this is how you make friends . There is a thing called charity and good will towards your fellow mankind .  used to work every day and every night to the wee morning with this crew on neat stuff and when one finds something  cool in his project it is given for others to have . but you do what you feel then .
Thats all i got  to say johnny847 and i won't say no more about anything here unless i can help . If i play with water power fountains i would just build a herons fountain and use a joule thief with a float switch to empty bottle b back to where it started and keep it running 24/7 with a small solar cell to keep my Jt charged that runs a tiny motor pump with  5 minuets of light a day and it will run run run . Id use Pirates Glow stuff with black light uv leds to display it at night with spot beam solar powered Jt garden lights . i would use those BIG Blue water bottles that fit in those water dispensers that hold 20-30 gallons mount it with white rocks all around it and put wooden park benches all around it and it would be Glorious Karma. I would say i learned about it at OU  .com from guys that shared their projects and i wanted one too .
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 12, 2012, 07:16:33 AM
Hi .Johnny847 . I personally could care less about your water project .Zero Interest !  I got E.L.S.A. s. And much more advanced stuff to share with the community . You will be a hated bastard in the eye of the tigers and looked upon as a selfish turd . But not me cause i told you what the deal is . this is an OPEN SOURCE Community . Don't like it then go "offline" Otherwise you are a waste of space here . Ok >?I know these people and talk like yours is rejected and looked at as a blur //and i really am sorry for you man . I know some people might build that thing and i see you got some input so lets just try and get along . If you feel you discovered something no one else has tried in 2000 years then good for you . . It is good . So good that Johnny has it and he wants to keep it all for yourself ,and you don't get recognized  and you don't work for free . and you feel you are not respected or anyone wants to play with you  . Son . Do you see why now. Just get along and try not to be a snob. . i am not mad with you but at the same time it is hard to get along with you if you constantly dwell on your situation . remember this forum is here to help solve the problems we all face and we all share and work for FREE to obtain FREE Energy . If you just look at all the post @ Ou from  from Magnets to high tech electronics and every invention every made to produce power has and still is being worked on . It is fun to me! to me it is important to leave some part of myself  that helps some one else . It's no fun to build something really cool and keep it when there are people that need it and want it .this is how you make friends . There is a thing called charity and good will towards your fellow mankind .  used to work every day and every night to the wee morning with this crew on neat stuff and when one finds something  cool in his project it is given for others to have . but you do what you feel then .
Thats all i got  to say johnny847 and i won't say no more about anything here unless i can help . If i play with water power fountains i would just build a herons fountain and use a joule thief with a float switch to empty bottle b back to where it started and keep it running 24/7 with a small solar cell to keep my Jt charged that runs a tiny motor pump with  5 minuets of light a day and it will run run run . Id use Pirates Glow stuff with black light uv leds to display it at night with spot beam solar powered Jt garden lights . i would use those BIG Blue water bottles that fit in those water dispensers that hold 20-30 gallons mount it with white rocks all around it and put wooden park benches all around it and it would be Glorious Karma. I would say i learned about it at OU  .com from guys that shared their projects and i wanted one too .

Gadget:

Amen.

Bill
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on September 12, 2012, 11:46:30 AM
  if you two check the thread "Why It's a Bad Idea to Work Openly", I was discussing an idea with other people. What I didn't understand then but do now is this, if I would have apologized to tinselkoala, he could have easily claimed it I was apologizing for stealing HIS idea.
 and gadget, I've posted in this forum for over 6 years and since I've ALWAYS had an idea to work (usually Bessler's wheel), I've managed to learn something.
 But some people lack the iniative to work at something or are unwilling to learn.
 Don't worry, I have a clean conscience.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: gadgetmall on September 12, 2012, 04:12:09 PM
   and gadget, I've posted in this forum for over 6 years and since I've ALWAYS had an idea to work (usually Bessler's wheel), I've managed to learn something.
  Don't worry, I have a clean conscience.
6 Years ? but jonney874 you  Date Registered:    November 14, 2011, 09:29:46 PM on this forum and that is less than a year  ?
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on September 12, 2012, 04:35:53 PM
6 Years ? but jonney874 you  Date Registered:    November 14, 2011, 09:29:46 PM on this forum and that is less than a year  ?

 Used to go by p-motion but had Stefan delete that account because he allowed AB Hammer to constantly flame me. Stefan doesn't support ou which is why I'm the problem when I try working open source. People like Bill (Pirate whatever he is), tinselkoala and AB Hammer don't post ANY ideas of their own. Heron's Fountain is tried and tested.
 And if they won't, no reason why I should while I have to tolerate their flame jobs. It would be kind of a rude awakening for Stefan to find out it is possible and just thinking it's a joke like he has is the easiest way to allow idiots to kill it which is about what's happened over the years.
 
                                                                                                                             Jim
 
btw, without someone getting credit and a patent being granted, it would only profit businesses or people who claim credit.
 Myself, have had my hearing loss (disabled vet) cause me problems and is one reason why I do take this more seriously. The Veteran's Administration does not consider most hearing losses rateable of which I know when you have one, the best thing that could happen is to get into school, get a hearing aid and then someone witha  hearing loss could function better. Main reason why I would need credit for my work, to try to help myself and other people with a hearing loss whether or not they're a disabled vet to have a chance at having a little bit better life.
 And that's something I can't forget and it is why I've had time to study math, science, engineering and other things like Bessler's work. I know what I've lost because of my hearing loss and to me there is nothing funny about it.

edited to add;
 Stefan at one time did give me permission to lock my thread. What he didn't understand was that by allowing other p
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on September 12, 2012, 05:52:05 PM
  thougnt I would mention that stefan at one time did give me permission to lock my threads. what he didn't understand was why it was important to let other people to be able to ask questions or to offer suggestions. anx yep, flame jobs are different. a person's attitude shows in their posts.

added  wotz a pm machine worth ?
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: TinselKoala on September 12, 2012, 06:52:26 PM
  if you two check the thread "Why It's a Bad Idea to Work Openly", I was discussing an idea with other people. What I didn't understand then but do now is this, if I would have apologized to tinselkoala, he could have easily claimed it I was apologizing for stealing HIS idea.
 and gadget, I've posted in this forum for over 6 years and since I've ALWAYS had an idea to work (usually Bessler's wheel), I've managed to learn something.
 But some people lack the iniative to work at something or are unwilling to learn.
 Don't worry, I have a clean conscience.
You are a liar. You will apologize to me for this libellous claim that I somehow "ripped you off" and "took credit" for your "discovery". This is totally false, a lie, defamatory, and manifestly untrue, and by taking it outside this forum you are asking me to take the issue outside this forum as well. And you have made no "discovery" anyway.

And you clearly know nothing of my history or my work, or you choose to continue lying about me, when you say that I've not posted any of my ideas. My... WORKING.... ideas. You have _never_ shown anything that actually did anything interesting, much less "work". Keep wasting your time on Bessler wheels, it's a good pastime for you Mister Cubic Inches of Surface Area, it might keep you from abusing this forum the way you do, with your dedicated flame threads and your constant complaining and whining.... and never working.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on September 12, 2012, 07:11:11 PM
  tk,
 it was only after I started discussing with other people when u started posting the dates of your videos.
Sue me so I can find out who u r.

  Jim
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on September 12, 2012, 07:29:21 PM
   gadget,
 I'll place some $ values on ideas, continually flowing water would be 1 to 2 million, modified Heron about 5 to 10. And a perpetual pendulum maybe anotner five. I think that is something worth discrediting someone over when tney're talking about donating it all to charity.
 and at the start of this thread, that was an explicit condition I had made known against the objections of tinselkoala and pirate88.....

added centz itz not possible, we're playing 4 match stickz.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: TinselKoala on September 12, 2012, 09:08:14 PM
  tk,
 it was only after I started discussing with other people when u started posting the dates of your videos.
Sue me so I can find out who u r.

  Jim
That's right Jimpbo.... when you started claiming I "ripped you off" I started posting the DATES of my videos which clearly prove that you are a liar, that I could not have ripped you off because the DATES OF MY VIDEOS, which are all public and recorded on the YouTube pages in several places, all happened BEFORE YOU EVEN THOUGHT of your "discussion". But the dates clearly also show that You could have seen My idea and copied it, since my video showing the nested cylinders was posted on August 24 and you didn't even think of anything concerning Heron's Fountain until August 30, after Bill started his thread on August 29. The dates of my videos and your posts tell the tale: you are a week late with your libellous accusation.

You want to get sued so badly? Really? You have clearly libelled me, the proof is there for all to see, and you are really challenging me to sue you? You are truly deluded, and you will one day get exactly what you are asking for.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on September 12, 2012, 09:22:58 PM
  nameless one,
 how can you make claims when your name is anonymous ?

yep, EYEY mean tk. c u n crt
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 13, 2012, 03:30:28 AM

  Stefan doesn't support ou which is why I'm the problem when I try working open source. People like Bill (Pirate whatever he is), tinselkoala and AB Hammer don't post ANY ideas of their own.       

This is great.  You are telling Gadgetmall that I have never posted any ideas of my own?  He knows better and knows you are lying.  This is like you telling Stefan I am a Moderator in the gravity section of the forum and have been deleting and/or modifying your posts when he knows I am not and can't do that.

I now have 55 videos on Youtube of my ideas.  i started the Joule Thief topic which now has over
 1128819 views.  (copied and pasted from the view counter on topic page)
I started the Kapanadze topic which now has over2580852 views. (copied and pasted from the view counter on topic page) So, that is over a million and a quarter for the JT topic and over two and a half million for the Kapanadze topic.


So, you say I don't do anything, or build anything or share anything?  Really?  Do you really think that anyone here that knows me believes any of your lies?  TK has many more vids than I do and has helped a lot of folks here, including me...but yet you say he has not done anything, or made anything or shared anything?

You should really take up a new hobby as lying is obviously not your best area of success as you have proven over, and over and over again.


I am pretty sure that Gadgetmall does not believe you when you post that I have not had any ideas on here that I have shared.
No one else does either.

Bill
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on September 13, 2012, 05:00:00 AM
show a thread in the gravity section bill.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on September 13, 2012, 07:45:58 PM
  Bill,
 You and tinselkoala can have this part of the forum. I guess where you normally post you ran out of ?
Will be doing design drawings for the next week.   :o
then I'll build me a small work bench to start building. I think the reality is that neither one of you have anything better to do than bother me. I guess that's what happens when I work in my "field", I'll have different idea's because of the time I have spent
trying different things if not considering them.
 Of course, both builds will be based on Bessler's work. I happen to like the guy.  :D
 
                                                                                                                   Jim
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 14, 2012, 04:16:02 AM
show a thread in the gravity section bill.

Ok, how about my Heron's Fountain topic that shows my video...and TK's videos?  You know...the topic you keep spamming with all of your lies...that topic?  Here is the link in case you deny it exists:

http://www.overunity.com/12640/herons-fountain/#.UFKSpa5wyKI (http://www.overunity.com/12640/herons-fountain/#.UFKSpa5wyKI)

This is the topic I started BEFORE you even thought about posting anything about a device like this.  (This is on record)  So, for you to claim that anyone STOLE your ideas is absurd.

Please bloviate somewhere else.

Bill

PS  You also claim that Stefan does not support Overunity:

Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 15, 2012, 03:18:26 AM
  Bill,
 You and tinselkoala can have this part of the forum. I guess where you normally post you ran out of ?
 
 
                                                                                                                   Jim

Ran out of?  What the hell is this supposed to mean?  After watching a bunch of TK's Youtube videos, I googled Heron's Fountain and decided to build one myself so I could later see what TK's modifications were doing.  Since I normally post in the solid state topic areas, I really did not think that the fountain would fit in over there. (gravity and all of that)

Should I have asked your permission first?

What do you mean exactly?

Do you even know?

Bill
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: AB Hammer on September 15, 2012, 04:19:04 AM
Hay Bill
 
I see Jim still can't leave me out of it. And it is so funny that he say I have not posted any of my ideas. A bald face lie of course.
On a better note. I am finishing shop #2 up in a few more day for casting and wheel work, and I'll soon be riding my 2013 Harley Street Bob, when I meet my weight loss goal soon. I really don't have time for Jim's games.  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 16, 2012, 02:49:04 AM
Evidently, things have not changed for Jim over the years.......the same lying, and the same obsession with Alan.

Quote: "Broken record drama queen act."  (quoted in part)

Bill
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on September 18, 2012, 01:28:46 AM
Hay Bill
 
I see Jim still can't leave me out of it. And it is so funny that he say I have not posted any of my ideas. A bald face lie of course.
On a better note. I am finishing shop #2 up in a few more day for casting and wheel work, and I'll soon be riding my 2013 Harley Street Bob, when I meet my weight loss goal soon. I really don't have time for Jim's games.  8) 8) 8)

  Alan,
 Show the idea's you've posted. I've only seen you post one in this forum in about 6 years.
Any time you wish to prove me wrong just as tk has his modified Heron's Fountain he posted in this forum.
He never did, oops. Shouldn't claim what's not his but as Bill said, those who don't give away their work will be banned for not being nice.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 18, 2012, 01:57:18 AM

  Alan,
 Show the idea's you've posted. I've only seen you post one in this forum in about 6 years.
Any time you wish to prove me wrong just as tk has his modified Heron's Fountain he posted in this forum.
He never did, oops. Shouldn't claim what's not his but as Bill said, those who don't give away their work will be banned for not being nice.

Another lie Jim? Boy, you seem to have a million of them.

The only thing folks would be banned from this forum would be for violating the TOS.  Things like claiming someone's work as your own, which you have done with TK's design...lying about things other members have said, which they have not said...

I have never said you should give away your work.  This is obvious because I have never seen anything that you have done so why would I ever suggest you do anything with it at all?  As far as I know, you have nothing to give away.  Go back and read what was posted.  The post I made that you claim was about you, had nothing to do with you, as I have told you.

Also, I am not a Moderator in this topic area so I can not ban anyone, but Stefan is aware of your lies about him and he will probably do something.

You have libeled me, TK, Stefan and several others on here Jim...if I were you I would not keep digging the hole deeper.

No one believes that Stefan pm'd you and told you that he does not believe OU is possible.  Look up Libel.
Bill
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on September 18, 2012, 02:08:46 AM
 bill,
 u giyz can have my work. only leave me out of it.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 18, 2012, 02:29:31 AM


What work?  Again, I ask this.  I am not aware of any work shown by you.  Maybe there is some somewhere I am not aware of...that is possible.  But, since I am not aware of any at all, why would I want it?  How can I want something I do not know exists?

Once again Jim, you are not making any sense.  I do not want anyone's work, i have plenty of my own to do


.
Bill
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: johnny874 on September 18, 2012, 02:59:57 AM
  tben y r u n here bill ?
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 18, 2012, 03:18:50 AM
  tben y r u n here bill ?

What?
?
?
?


Bill
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: hoppfield on October 26, 2015, 06:59:48 PM


TK:

Exactly correct, from what I know.  I love the folks that post stuff on OU and then get help from smart guys like you....and then...remove all videos and posts saying they are going for the patent now.  A long time ago a very expensive patent attorney assured me it does not work that way.

Bill

   Bill,
  You and TK missed it. This is closing the loop on Milkiovic's Pendulum. Yet what tk posted, I blew a patent if that was my intention.. As he pointed out, I blew it and can't patent it. Then he states I did not blow it and can patent it..
 It's amazing how the 2 of you get away with discrediting someone. Am glad I have this thread saved. It will be good for a psychology class. How to post something known and then claim you pointed out someone's mistake or oversight.
 
  You know Stefan, I put up with a lot of unnecessary harassment. Not a lot of reason for someone to have to tolerate it. It's cyber bullying and not much more.
 
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 29, 2015, 02:02:47 AM
   Bill,
  You and TK missed it. This is closing the loop on Milkiovic's Pendulum. Yet what tk posted, I blew a patent if that was my intention.. As he pointed out, I blew it and can't patent it. Then he states I did not blow it and can patent it..
 It's amazing how the 2 of you get away with discrediting someone. Am glad I have this thread saved. It will be good for a psychology class. How to post something known and then claim you pointed out someone's mistake or oversight.
 
  You know Stefan, I put up with a lot of unnecessary harassment. Not a lot of reason for someone to have to tolerate it. It's cyber bullying and not much more.
 

Please take every effort to get over yourself.

Thank you,

Bill
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: hoppfield on October 29, 2015, 03:35:18 AM
Please take every effort to get over yourself.

Thank you,

Bill

   Bill,
  Read your first post in this thread. I'll paraphrase it, Golly Gee Whiz tinselkoala, if it weren't for you being so smart, etc., etc. That is funny. How was tinselkoala smart ? He wasn't.  Kind of why I feel sorry for you guys, you know, you ab hammer and tinselkoala. I thought I had it bad. Had my intestines healed together. Quite painful.   
 Yet the 3 of you could only feel good about yourselves by doing what you could to make my life more difficult. You guys must really have that little. I hope I never find out what that's like.
 Still, if what I do works, your posts, that is the 3 of you will probably become known. That's only because when a person wants to do something, other people will create obstacles. And in the future, other people may want to pursue something, my story would give them an idea of what to expect and why people should not try to change their lives. After all, there will always be people like the 3 of you.

edited to add; btw, when you said I owe tinselkoala an apology for stealing his invention which was the "ZED" which Wayne Travis claimed to have discovered, have to wonder why smart people like you guys didn't know that the coffer dam was used to build the Brooklyn Bridge back in the 1880's. Yet all 3 of you claimed a new discovery.
 And I do need to feel sorry for you and your friends.  :-(
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: hoppfield on October 29, 2015, 04:16:23 AM
Hay Bill
 
I see Jim still can't leave me out of it. And it is so funny that he say I have not posted any of my ideas. A bald face lie of course.
On a better note. I am finishing shop #2 up in a few more day for casting and wheel work, and I'll soon be riding my 2013 Harley Street Bob, when I meet my weight loss goal soon. I really don't have time for Jim's games.  8) 8) 8)

   Alan,
  you, bill and tk are good at discrediting me. I guess that's all you guys have. I'm not sure if that's funny or if it's sad. And Alan, your lies have caused me problems as well as tk's and bill's harassing me. If the most bill and tk could do was Heron's fountain, not sure why they needed to ridicule me for. You guys always will be sad.
 Post what you like Alan, it's all you have.


Bill, I deleted your messages. What I don't think I'll ever understand is how you and your 2 friends can spend a decade in here and not learn something more than trolling someone.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 30, 2015, 03:20:19 AM
   Alan,
  you, bill and tk are good at discrediting me. I guess that's all you guys have. I'm not sure if that's funny or if it's sad. And Alan, your lies have caused me problems as well as tk's and bill's harassing me. If the most bill and tk could do was Heron's fountain, not sure why they needed to ridicule me for. You guys always will be sad.
 Post what you like Alan, it's all you have.


Bill, I deleted your messages. What I don't think I'll ever understand is how you and your 2 friends can spend a decade in here and not learn something more than trolling someone.

I request that you leave my name out of your postings.  I refuse to take part in your B.S.

Thank you,

Bill

PS  I have saved your hate messages to me, in case Stefan might want to see them.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: hoppfield on October 30, 2015, 04:25:28 PM
I request that you leave my name out of your postings.  I refuse to take part in your B.S.

Thank you,

Bill

PS  I have saved your hate messages to me, in case Stefan might want to see them.

  Why don't you show where I said anything derogatory about you in Joule Thief ? I never made one derogatory comment about you
 in that part of the forum. And yet, in here, you and your 2 friends have done nothing but ridicule and harass me. I think that goes
 back to your comment that I should go to school. I have plenty of schooling behind me and work experience to match.
  Not sure why I should let something like discrimination or cancer keep me from using what I know.
  And with Heron's Fountain, I think what you missed with that is how air pressure is converted into hydraulic force and what that has 
 to do with the velocity of water exiting the fountain. With Bessler's Mt 125, it would benefit from studying that. You know, water moving up
 a pipe because of a pressure differential. Still, I think if what I do works, people will find your posts interesting reading. I mean with my
 being both a disabled veteran and someone who has been working through severe medical hardship, and no mercy from you and your 2 friends.

edited to add; Bill, the attached image shows the rank and rating of a Chief Boiler Technician. In the U.S. Navy, when I served, there
                    was one school for both machinist mates and boiler technicians. If you notice the insignia, it is Heron's Boiler. He also is
                    known for a fountain as well. This is why AB Hammer does not want me mentioning my having served in the U.S. Navy.
                    It did give me an education and work experience that I could build on and I did.
 
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: AB Hammer on October 31, 2015, 06:59:49 PM
  Why don't you show where I said anything derogatory about you in Joule Thief ? I never made one derogatory comment about you
 in that part of the forum. And yet, in here, you and your 2 friends have done nothing but ridicule and harass me. I think that goes
 back to your comment that I should go to school. I have plenty of schooling behind me and work experience to match.
  Not sure why I should let something like discrimination or cancer keep me from using what I know.
  And with Heron's Fountain, I think what you missed with that is how air pressure is converted into hydraulic force and what that has 
 to do with the velocity of water exiting the fountain. With Bessler's Mt 125, it would benefit from studying that. You know, water moving up
 a pipe because of a pressure differential. Still, I think if what I do works, people will find your posts interesting reading. I mean with my
 being both a disabled veteran and someone who has been working through severe medical hardship, and no mercy from you and your 2 friends.

edited to add; Bill, the attached image shows the rank and rating of a Chief Boiler Technician. In the U.S. Navy, when I served, there
                    was one school for both machinist mates and boiler technicians. If you notice the insignia, it is Heron's Boiler. He also is
                    known for a fountain as well. This is why AB Hammer does not want me mentioning my having served in the U.S. Navy.
                    It did give me an education and work experience that I could build on and I did.
 

So Lindgaard

Are you trying to say you where a chief boiler technician E7?  You would have retired from the Navy and not be broke all the time like you insinuate.  Note boiler technician merged into Machinist's Mates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machinist%27s_Mate) on 1 October 1996. So when did you get out of the US Navy?
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: hoppfield on October 31, 2015, 11:58:50 PM
So Lindgaard

Are you trying to say you where a chief boiler technician E7?  You would have retired from the Navy and not be broke all the time like you insinuate.  Note boiler technician merged into Machinist's Mates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machinist%27s_Mate) on 1 October 1996. So when did you get out of the US Navy?

 Never said I was an E-7.

  edited to add; ab hammer, unlike you, I have been discriminated against. That won't change unless I am successful building. You're not motivated. You and your friends are into good posting.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: AB Hammer on November 01, 2015, 01:04:07 AM
Never said I was an E-7.

  edited to add; ab hammer, unlike you, I have been discriminated against. That won't change unless I am successful building. You're not motivated. You and your friends are into good posting.

LMAO Discriminated? Try the hell an XO who is an alcoholic (IMO for legal purpose) bent on getting the none drinker's  (myself) good conduct medal and all his drinking buddies adding in on the BS spying on me day in and day out looking for me to make a mistake when I had to double duty for we where short an SS (cook) on this duty post. Oh I forgot I went to the Mormon church during that time for my wife was Mormon. Also 24hour duty every 4 days. Stunts like being ordered to give a man CPR that was bloated and in rigamortis, just so he could say I disobeyed and order. But I am still a loyal American. I don't go bashing America because I was treated badly.  I also still have my Good conduct medal. Despite all, I still followed the rules. The reason I don't get banned like you do.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: hoppfield on November 01, 2015, 01:25:42 AM
LMAO Discriminated? Try the hell an XO who is an alcoholic (IMO for legal purpose) bent on getting the none drinker's  (myself) good conduct medal and all his drinking buddies adding in on the BS spying on me day in and day out looking for me to make a mistake when I had to double duty for we where short an SS (cook) on this duty post. Oh I forgot I went to the Mormon church during that time for my wife was Mormon. Also 24hour duty every 4 days. Stunts like being ordered to give a man CPR that was bloated and in rigamortis, just so he could say I disobeyed and order. But I am still a loyal American. I don't go bashing America because I was treated badly.  I also still have my Good conduct medal. Despite all, I still followed the rules. The reason I don't get banned like you do.

   ab hammer,
  Who is building ? It's not you.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: AB Hammer on November 01, 2015, 01:43:28 AM
   ab hammer,
  Who is building ? It's not you.

Here are wheels up to just two years ago but go back as far a 2007.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny7O7bAn2uU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny7O7bAn2uU)

There will be more of course and there have been some I have not and will not post yet.

Why don't you put together a video of some of your past work to show what you have done.   ::)

Alan
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: hoppfield on November 01, 2015, 01:51:39 AM
Here are wheels up to just two years ago but go back as far a 2007.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny7O7bAn2uU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny7O7bAn2uU)

There will be more of course and there have been some I have not and will not post yet.

Why don't you put together a video of some of your past work to show what you have done.   ::)

Alan

  Unfortunately you asked Scott to ban me as well as Stefan. And you also told me I could not use cancer as a shield. I've never used it as a shield. Since you've never had cancer, you do not know what problems it can cause. It does limit what a person can do.
  And I have no need to show previous work. This goes back to "I am building".
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: AB Hammer on November 01, 2015, 03:31:23 PM
  Unfortunately you asked Scott to ban me as well as Stefan. And you also told me I could not use cancer as a shield. I've never used it as a shield. Since you've never had cancer, you do not know what problems it can cause. It does limit what a person can do.
  And I have no need to show previous work. This goes back to "I am building".

So you are building. But! not much of a builder or you would show past work with pride even if they didn't work.  Find the humor in life and learn to be able to laugh at yourself and you might make friends and get a girlfriend as well, maybe get a wife and have a family.  No one like a sour personality.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: hoppfield on November 01, 2015, 03:40:36 PM
So you are building. But! not much of a builder or you would show past work with pride even if they didn't work.  Find the humor in life and learn to be able to laugh at yourself and you might make friends and get a girlfriend as well, maybe get a wife and have a family.  No one like a sour personality.

  ab hammer,
 Here is work I can show with pride. It has to do with what I am building now.

http://overunity.com/12426/continuously-flowing-water-theory/#.VjYkDD9dFok

edited to add; as strange as it seems, what I posted might be workable. But no one takes
                   the time to do the math and test hypothesis'.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: AB Hammer on November 01, 2015, 03:46:29 PM
  ab hammer,
 Here is work I can show with pride. It has to do with what I am building now.

http://overunity.com/12426/continuously-flowing-water-theory/#.VjYkDD9dFok (http://overunity.com/12426/continuously-flowing-water-theory/#.VjYkDD9dFok)

Real builders try to build original work before they would ever claim, Lindgaard.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: hoppfield on November 01, 2015, 04:05:26 PM
Real builders try to build original work before they would ever claim, Lindgaard.

  Since you "claim" to be a real builder, please explain your builds. And please include the math.

eited to add; ab hammer, with the things that is not a build that I posted in the "ab hammer" thread,
                 maybe they'll wonder why you are more interested in discrediting me when something could
                 have been built and money could have been made. But that's not what you want, is it ?
                  Kind of wonder what it is that you want, but what you want isn't my responsibility.
 and if anyone wants to know, I don't like tinselkoala because he reminds me of ab hammer.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: hoppfield on November 01, 2015, 08:04:05 PM
LMAO Discriminated? Try the hell an XO who is an alcoholic (IMO for legal purpose) bent on getting the none drinker's  (myself) good conduct medal and all his drinking buddies adding in on the BS spying on me day in and day out looking for me to make a mistake when I had to double duty for we where short an SS (cook) on this duty post. Oh I forgot I went to the Mormon church during that time for my wife was Mormon. Also 24hour duty every 4 days. Stunts like being ordered to give a man CPR that was bloated and in rigamortis, just so he could say I disobeyed and order. But I am still a loyal American. I don't go bashing America because I was treated badly.  I also still have my Good conduct medal. Despite all, I still followed the rules. The reason I don't get banned like you do.

   ab hammer,
  I think this is funny. With the appeal asking the V.A. to rate my hearing loss, I told them to check my service record. They will see I had an Article 15 or what in the Navy is known as a Captain's Mast. I was busted in rank and fine half my pay for 6 months.
  I said that this was the result of my hearing loss. You see, someone from Kentucky placed their pot pipe under my mattress. I didn't smoke, use any tobacco product or use drugs. And with the person from Kentucky placing their pipe under my mattress, it was not in my possession because it is not a locked area that I am responsible for.
  I was honorably discharged and was also known as the best lube oil/condensate watch and was qualified on higher watches as well.
  What is funnier than that is when I was arrested for DUI. I had to go on deployment and when I returned, I had a warrant out for my arrest. When I went to court, the charges were dismissed because I was sober. It did cause problems because the courts did not make it known that I was innocent. And when required to appear in court, guilt is assumed.
  Still, I am building and as for the attached picture, he is not me and if people search my name, they will find him before they find me but his first name is Mark and not James. And since my name is rare in America as I might be the only James Lindgaard. I can't hide like tinselkoala and say find me if you can, ha ha ha.

edited to add; ab hammer, this is another reason why it's important that I am successful. For all I know, you could be saying your drunk x.o. and his drinking buddies, you got hit by a drunk is because you googled my name and this is all that showed up. If anyone ever to look past the obvious, then they would know that his name is Mark Lindgaard. And with a working Bessler wheel, I can possibly sue any media site that maintains this.
 They should be using his legal name as causing the death of a passenger while driving intoxicated is a serious charge.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: AB Hammer on November 01, 2015, 08:57:06 PM
Lindgaard

That's not you

 Delete that news clipping for it doesn't have nothing to do with anything outside of the same as your name.  One of several I'm sure.  ::)

Here is your picture from public domain for those who may want to know after you said something about beating them up.
 
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 01, 2015, 09:18:59 PM
Lindgaard

That's not you

 Delete that news clipping for it doesn't have nothing to do with anything outside of the same as your name.  One of several I'm sure.  ::)

Here is your picture from public domain for those who may want to know after you said something about beating them up.

Yes, Jimbo has threatened 3 people on this forum.  He thinks that it is ok because some of us use a screen name.  He is sadly mistaken.
He really should be very careful on whom he makes threats against.  As I posted before, that is illegal to do in the US.  He can look it up if he wants.

Bill
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: hoppfield on November 01, 2015, 11:18:28 PM
Lindgaard

That's not you

 Delete that news clipping for it doesn't have nothing to do with anything outside of the same as your name.  One of several I'm sure.  ::)

Here is your picture from public domain for those who may want to know after you said something about beating them up.

  ab hammer,
  Who is that good looking guy that you posted a picture of ? It looks like he takes care of himself, you know, he's got some self discipline. He looks like a friendly person as well. Is that you ?
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: hoppfield on November 01, 2015, 11:24:03 PM
  Bill,
  As a personal favor to you and alan, I won't post any more work in here.
 All you have to do is ask. Do the 2 of you need...  I'm not sure on this Bill, you
 have to help me out here. You don't want to see a perpetual wheel built, not even a simple
 one that people without a lot of mechanical experience can build.
 I have to wonder why you and alan have the need to say what a bad person I am. after all,
neither of you want to discuss perpetual motion, just why you're better than me. Any more,
I don't think I'm going to waste any more of my time wondering about that.
Title: Re: My Invention
Post by: AB Hammer on November 02, 2015, 04:21:03 PM
  Bill,
  As a personal favor to you and alan, I won't post any more work in here.
 All you have to do is ask. Do the 2 of you need...  I'm not sure on this Bill, you
 have to help me out here. You don't want to see a perpetual wheel built, not even a simple
 one that people without a lot of mechanical experience can build.
 I have to wonder why you and alan have the need to say what a bad person I am. after all,
neither of you want to discuss perpetual motion, just why you're better than me. Any more,
I don't think I'm going to waste any more of my time wondering about that.

No LIndgaard, You are all wrong. You just don't pay attention and call it an attack. Then you become nasty at us. You make it very hard to talk to you on forums. Open your mind and quit being nasty to others.