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Offline johnny874

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Re: My Invention
« Reply #105 on: September 03, 2012, 12:04:16 AM »
  Rick,
 I owe you a bit of an apology. on Tuesday I'll check out your videos. One thing I have been wondering if a strictly mechanical system can achieve overunity. I know with fluids and gasses, they have qualities where they can perform work that mechanical means can't do.

      Johnny

edited to add; Rick, there might be a fairly simple way to keep that pendulum swinging.
« Last Edit: September 03, 2012, 01:35:14 AM by johnny874 »

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Re: My Invention
« Reply #106 on: September 03, 2012, 01:47:08 AM »
 might not be so simple. if a weighted is hoisted by the fulcrum then it's being dropped might be able to accelerate the bob.
 if not, then using scissors like webby1 thought of might be able to work in some fashion,

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Re: My Invention
« Reply #107 on: September 07, 2012, 12:07:00 AM »
Sorry for not posting earlier.  I've been extra busy at work and I take my work home with me ... literally.  Last weekend I did cut down the pendulum shaft to 6" to perform more tests.  Big mistake.  I should have known better.  A short pendulum shaft decreases the period of the swing and effectively the length of time the CF has to work on lifting the counter weight.  The counter weight barely lifted off its stop.  I'm thinking a 2' long pendulum shaft would work much better.  I will keep you posted.

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Re: My Invention
« Reply #108 on: September 07, 2012, 04:34:30 AM »
  Rick,
 One thing you might try with your longer pendulum is having the counter weight 3 inches closer to center.
 About a 10 degree tilt of the cross beam might show you something.

  Jim

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Re: My Invention
« Reply #109 on: September 07, 2012, 01:51:12 PM »
Jimbo . You can't patent it unless you are rich . Been there . you have to have a patent attorney number one . Then you PAY for a Patent Search (TIme consuming) when and if it comes back clean or not is the question. THEN you pay for provisional patent application(Includes drawings sketches and summary) that give you 12 months from the date of filing but in your case non provisional application which is immediate and requires more money and Immediate CLAIMS plus PROOF and Detailed Drawings ,Explanations ,uses , and then if those criteria are met it depends on what KIND of device it is . this can be as little as 7000.00 but in likelihood 10000.00 Plus all the money you spend for patent searches and non provisional applications .PLUS Maintenance Fees and if you patent it in one country you must pay additional to protect it in other countries .be prepared to dish out 30,000.00 plus for a 9 to 20 year patent .Been there and it was a bad idea .It will give you a bad reputation and cast doubt . People thought i used their research to make money when there was originality involved and it was Cleared thru patent search however  I have Family to think about and they come first and i am not rich and considered in the poverty level of the US . .
Tis better for all to give it away unless you are Rich or find a Backer with money willing to throw it away .

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Re: My Invention
« Reply #110 on: September 07, 2012, 05:05:45 PM »
I think I need to clarify what I said in my previous post.  The attached picture (f2-slide) is taken from the second video (f2) when the pendulum bob has come to a stop at the top of its swing to the inside.  At this time, the main lever is also at its highest position.  Note the position of the pendulum lever relative to the main lever.  In the third video (f3) a cord has been added to link the pendulum bob to the main lever such that when I lift the lever to it's highest point, the pendulum bob is also at its highest point (as determined during the swing test in the second video (f2).  When I let the lever drop, the bob is raised, but not to the initial drop position.  In the video I manually show how high it still has to be lifted.  Open the third video and place it just above the pic so you can still see the pic.  You will see when I lift the lever to the top position, it resembles the arrangement of the levers in the picture.
 
By positioning the cord attachment point out further along the main lever, this will increase the amount of cord pulled and will lift the bob higher.  Of course the counter weight may have to be moved out further as well or made heavier to counter the increased torgue due to moving the attachment point out further.

  Rick,
 You're gonna hate me for this but I'm thinking when the pendulum slows at the end of it's swing that it needs a little push upwards. This would mean when the counter weight is dropping that the pendulum would be lifted from underneath.
 When the pendulum is changing directions it is basically weightless and that's why the counter weight drops regardless
which direction the pendulum swings in. If you want to keep trying this, you might start your own thread. After all, you're the one doing the building.    :D
 
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Re: My Invention
« Reply #111 on: September 08, 2012, 01:06:36 AM »
  Rick,
 tomorrow I'll post a capture of your video with how I think the pendulum's swing can be increased.

       Jim

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Re: My Invention
« Reply #112 on: September 08, 2012, 03:14:22 AM »
Jimbo . You can't patent it unless you are rich . Been there . you have to have a patent attorney number one . Then you PAY for a Patent Search (TIme consuming) when and if it comes back clean or not is the question. THEN you pay for provisional patent application(Includes drawings sketches and summary) that give you 12 months from the date of filing but in your case non provisional application which is immediate and requires more money and Immediate CLAIMS plus PROOF and Detailed Drawings ,Explanations ,uses , and then if those criteria are met it depends on what KIND of device it is . this can be as little as 7000.00 but in likelihood 10000.00 Plus all the money you spend for patent searches and non provisional applications .PLUS Maintenance Fees and if you patent it in one country you must pay additional to protect it in other countries .be prepared to dish out 30,000.00 plus for a 9 to 20 year patent .Been there and it was a bad idea .It will give you a bad reputation and cast doubt . People thought i used their research to make money when there was originality involved and it was Cleared thru patent search however  I have Family to think about and they come first and i am not rich and considered in the poverty level of the US . .
Tis better for all to give it away unless you are Rich or find a Backer with money willing to throw it away .

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You cant patent free energy devices period.  The SAWS document was on the USTPO home page but I dont see it there now. The site seems different than I remember. It may be in one of the menu pages. Or, the warning is not shown anymore and people just walk into the lions den.  :o   When I first read of it, it was on the home page as a notification to patent applicants.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2010/05/399130.shtml

Im doing a search for the original link. I have it in my drive.

Open source is all we got Jimbony.  Its the only way to spread the word that FE exists to the world. And it must spread like wild fire if presented as open source. MrWayne understands this. Thats why he is trying to get replications(and paying people to do them) working, to show that his device is real and others can build it to prove it to themselves. 

Patenting is a bait for greed(of the patent applicant, and the gov) when it comes to FE devices. But patenting a fridge magnet or post-its is where the big money is, for the simplest ideas. ;] 



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Re: My Invention
« Reply #113 on: September 08, 2012, 04:10:45 AM »
  MaGs,
 MrWayne has a patent for a free energy device

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Re: My Invention
« Reply #114 on: September 08, 2012, 04:55:46 AM »
From what I understand it is just a pat application filed or possibly a Provisional pat. Thats his business. If he has or does, it doesnt mean that the patent makes that claim. The patent(s) could be just bits and pieces of the whole, without claiming OU, yet protecting the bits and pieces that are required to build the whole. It is a common thing that some inventors do.

Im just giving fair warning. If Wayne does have, then why pay builders to replicate for 'validation'? And if he doesnt, what ever. Thats his business. I could care less about that and more about the knowledge he is 'giving'.  ;]  But some want more. All or nothing.  ?

Thats the difference between the wolves and the sheep. ;] 


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Re: My Invention
« Reply #115 on: September 08, 2012, 10:18:42 AM »
  as I've mentioned before, companies would love a free product to sell.

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Re: My Invention
« Reply #116 on: September 08, 2012, 04:13:47 PM »
Sorry for not posting earlier.  I've been extra busy at work and I take my work home with me ... literally.  Last weekend I did cut down the pendulum shaft to 6" to perform more tests.  Big mistake.  I should have known better.  A short pendulum shaft decreases the period of the swing and effectively the length of time the CF has to work on lifting the counter weight.  The counter weight barely lifted off its stop.  I'm thinking a 2' long pendulum shaft would work much better.  I will keep you posted.

  This will always be here when you have some free time. Anyway, here is something to think about, give the bob a swift
kick. the levers would be pretty much balanced so it should be fairly efficient. getting timed right would be the difficult part.
 I figure it could kick thebob with about 25% of the force hitting the lever on the counter weight side. that's because it would
be halfway through it's drop and 1/2 the upward movement might be transfered into the swift kick.

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Re: My Invention
« Reply #117 on: September 08, 2012, 08:43:22 PM »
You cant patent free energy devices period.  The SAWS document was on the USTPO home page but I dont see it there now. The site seems different than I remember. It may be in one of the menu pages. Or, the warning is not shown anymore and people just walk into the lions den.  :o   When I first read of it, it was on the home page as a notification to patent applicants.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2010/05/399130.shtml

Im doing a search for the original link. I have it in my drive.

Open source is all we got Jimbony.  Its the only way to spread the word that FE exists to the world. And it must spread like wild fire if presented as open source. MrWayne understands this. Thats why he is trying to get replications(and paying people to do them) working, to show that his device is real and others can build it to prove it to themselves. 

Patenting is a bait for greed(of the patent applicant, and the gov) when it comes to FE devices. But patenting a fridge magnet or post-its is where the big money is, for the simplest ideas. ;] 



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Yep you are correct . When mine passed the initial patent search it wasn't classified as a free energy device . there was a manual step involved . it was either flip a switch or swap battery . If i somehow devised a Circuit to do that automatically and still do what it did then it might have been rejected .
That Circuit is what Alex devised for the "other project"JT heater light for Ouprize . Ugg... and it just took too much away from the circuit to show the effect automatically .and if you search e-light you will now see 10's if not many more now have the tradename and none of them are me .BUT i know it was because of me .

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« Reply #118 on: September 10, 2012, 10:17:46 PM »
Yep you are correct . When mine passed the initial patent search it wasn't classified as a free energy device . there was a manual step involved . it was either flip a switch or swap battery . If i somehow devised a Circuit to do that automatically and still do what it did then it might have been rejected .
That Circuit is what Alex devised for the "other project"JT heater light for Ouprize . Ugg... and it just took too much away from the circuit to show the effect automatically .and if you search e-light you will now see 10's if not many more now have the tradename and none of them are me .BUT i know it was because of me .

   gadget,
 nothing personal but I got flamed for years by ab hammer for working on Bessler's wheel and that can not be patented.
He is also a respected member of besslerwheel dot com. when he started the threead saying i was a fraud because of complications from treatment for cancer, I was surprised when other senior members of that forum told him he should not be posting stuff like that. What I believe is he did not want me working with other people. If I do it on my own then he could just as easily say he was being cruel to be kind (the post of him saying that is in this forum) and take credit for what efforts I put into it.
 He is the reason I changed my mind about just being glad to do something. After all, he was supported in this forum for his flaming me, about the only way to put it. If my mdeical issues bother him that much, then he shouldn't have had anything to do with me but as he said, everybody does what he wants unless they're whining. it's all he knows and you guys can have him.

 gadget, my brother came up wih a new design for a trowel and tried getting a company interested in it. 6 months later he realiized that by being trusting, he lost out.
 as to what you say you did, if you are tnat altruistic, then you are a special person but I have no need to work for free.
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« Reply #119 on: September 11, 2012, 06:46:44 PM »
I guess i can respect that but this is an OPEN SOURCE forum so just be aware that anything here posted by it's members are public domain for all to take . FREE .

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