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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: My Invention
« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2012, 07:25:36 PM »

what you posted >>  Well, you just blew any chance of patenting that scheme, if that was your intention, by publishing your claims and drawings publicly.  <<
  What I had already posted.
On 3rd page.Provisional Application for Patent Filing Date Requirements It can be filed up to one year following the date of first sale, offer for sale, public use, or publication of the invention.
 http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/ProvApp.pdf
 
 why trying working in an overunity forum is a waste of time.

Whatever, dude. If you don't want to read the actual LAW, that's your business.
The fact that you've got nothing patentable, at least not in what you've posted here, is beside the point. Get a patent lawyer, you will need one.

And yes.... you are wasting your time. That much we can agree on.

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« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2012, 04:44:01 PM »
  @All,
 This is just to protect the rights to my invention as stated by the USPTO and which I referenced in my first post.
 The drawing is for reference purposes and is to illustrate the mechanics involved in my invention.
 When the swinnging weight is in it's lower position, it would swing inward to location B where a catch would support the weight.
 In this position, it is closer to the fulcrum X than the counter weight at the position Z2. This would cause the invention to tilt
to the right lift the swinging weight weight to position C where it would be released.
 Because point Y2 is firther from point X than Z2 is, the cross bar would tilt to the left lowering the swinging weight's fulcrum and the swinging weight itself. This would allow the swinging weight's return motion to be along path A.
 Location O is where the line(s) lifting and lowering catch mechanism would be tied to a peg extanding from the cross bar. The pulleys lettered G are attached to the frame of the invention. The pulley lettered H is attached to the cross beam and moves with it. It is this series of pulleys that would help the invention to work in perpetuality as the catch mechanism can be placed where it works with the swinging weight to increase it's potential by lifting it higher than it's kinetic would allow it move.
 
edited to add, with a working perpetual motiion machine, there will be some fame but this does not mean much money would be made from it. For that to happen, people would need to buy one and they might not find it worth the money.

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Re: My Invention
« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2012, 08:18:35 PM »
  may see about building a model. have only a saw and a dremel motor with a 1/8 inch drill bit to work with.
it's almost a form of self abuse.
edited to add; have contactec one business tbat sells products similar to this and would have the means to help devolop it even though it might not take much.
 myself, haven't worked since May because trying to work through my medical problems proved to be to much,
 am now being treated by the V.A.
 so um, how to put ? have been trying but have mostly met critics. a working device might help me to get my medical situation resolved so I could return to work.
guess I have the motivation other people are missing.
« Last Edit: August 15, 2012, 10:12:08 PM by johnny874 »

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Re: My Invention
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Re: My Invention
« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2012, 11:39:37 PM »
  The wood to build something for the dimensions given would be about $7.
 The main problem with such a small scale build is the need for precision. it
would create more headaches by trying to do things under difficult circumstances.
 The most important part of the design is the catch and release mechanism which
would lift the weight. It would need a ratchet type catch that a dowel or steel pins
extending from the sides of the weight could move past the catches. And once the
weight has been lifted, a "stop" could depress the catch releasing the swinging weight.
 While the weight is being lifted, it's weight would be supported by the catch. This is
what would allow it's force to be calculated from the position of the catch and not the
fulcrum.
 And this is something that might need to be done with some precision to allow the
invention to work. So, to the detractors, even if made out of wood, it is still a machine
and would need to function properly in order to work.
 Basically, it does require being able to do a proper build to make doing something
like this worth while. Otherwise you get the garbage that has been posted in this thread.
 And yes, it does take a lot of effort to design something that can work. Every detail needs
to be accounted for. As such, the stanchion in the middle supporting the cross beam could
be 3/8 of an inch wide with 4 pieces attaching it to a base that goes around the invention.
 The base could be nothing more than a rectangle made from the same 3/8th's x 4 board the
main stanchion is cut from. As for the pins that route the lines for the catch and release mechanism,
2 1/8" dowels on each side with a 1/4" thick board that can support one end of the steel pin would
work.
 The ratchet type devices could be angled pieces of wood that rotate on a steel 1/8th " pin and have
a weight that holds them in the up position. This weight should not be enough to stop the swinging
weight from moving past it. With a spring, they would wear out at some point and need to be replaced.
 I think I have covered everything.
 Oh, the cross beam, it could be 1/4" wide (thick actually) with 2 - 1/4" pieces (making a 1/2" piece)
between 2 cross beam lengths. The 2 pieces in the middle (the 1/2" thickness) would have aV shape
cut upwards into it. This would allow the main stanchion to have a narrower angle that would allow
the cross beam to rock back and forth on it without the benefit of a fulcrum. You know what I mean,
it would not need a pin and hole for a pivot.
 And when the swinging weight is being lifted, it could be in a straight line between the bottom where it is caught
and the top where it is released. The reason for this is if the swinging weight's fulcrum is the same distance from center as
the center of gravity for it's weight, then it would have off setting motins. The fulcrum would swing in an arc that
would prevent the weight being lifted from having an arcing motion of it's own. that is so obvious, I'm not even sure why I bothered to emntion it.
 And of course, if soemone thinks I missed something, they can build it and show ME where I did.
 And like I said, this will lead to that Bessler wheel someone said I know won't work.
 Guess not much else to say because it would probably take you guys a few days going over all the details to start understanding the construction and operation of this machine.
 
edited to add; some basic drawings to show how some of the machine can be built as described.
With the release for the swinging weight, a line attached to the frame could pull down on the ratchet type device when it has lifted the swinging weight to it's desired height.
 Will I build it ? Probably not. I'd have nothing to talk about. By the way, I was trained on the CATIA systems Boeing uses to design airplanes on.
It's short for 3 dimensional interactive design. That plus have much experience with complex blueprints. One reason why I was able to understand Bessler's mechanical drawings.
 Anyway, what I drew I learned back in junior high school. That type of layout.
 

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Re: My Invention
« Reply #49 on: August 17, 2012, 02:31:59 AM »
  @All,
 I am going to work up to a build. One reason why some people decide to work of line is to ensure they get crecit for their work and not some troll camping out.
 Idea's do need to be developed which does take time and effort which would bring up the question of why bother with self proclaimed experts who have nothing to show.
 Wbile an idea like this is simple enough, it still tales a lot of paying attention to detail and probably 2 or 3 builds to get it right.
 It's this last reason why no one has done it yey. It's not that someone hasn't had a workable idea but the crap from trolls camping out.

 Jim

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Re: My Invention
« Reply #50 on: August 17, 2012, 02:49:15 AM »
  @All,
  This a research forum. Idea's are meant to be discussed.
 With inventions, thought might be given to patent rights.
 This could prevent legal action for ideas that prove to have value.

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Re: My Invention
« Reply #51 on: August 17, 2012, 05:12:56 PM »
  if anyone is interested in building this, let me know.
 still am open to donating the patent rights to charity.

   Jim

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: My Invention
« Reply #52 on: August 17, 2012, 05:56:13 PM »
"It's this last reason why no one has done it yey. It's not that someone hasn't had a workable idea but the crap from trolls camping out."

It doesn't seem like you are getting much action, does it.

For your information.... at least one of the "trolls" that bother you so much has actually done several builds for people, like yourself, who have had ideas that for some reason or another they were unable to implement in an actual model. And on his own dime too.

The real reason why no one has done your "invention" is that even on the face of it, at first examination, any real builder of gadgets can see that it's not workable, AND your own attitude is so bad that nobody wants to work with you.

So the solution is very simple: suck it up and build it yourself.

Go down to your local high school with a technical shop class. They do still have those I hope. Approach the instructor with the same arguments and drawings you have presented here, and see if you can talk him (or her) into helping YOU build your very simple device precisely and accurately out of good materials with proper tooling.


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Re: My Invention
« Reply #53 on: August 17, 2012, 06:34:13 PM »
"It's this last reason why no one has done it yey. It's not that someone hasn't had a workable idea but the crap from trolls camping out."

It doesn't seem like you are getting much action, does it.

For your information.... at least one of the "trolls" that bother you so much has actually done several builds for people, like yourself, who have had ideas that for some reason or another they were unable to implement in an actual model. And on his own dime too.

The real reason why no one has done your "invention" is that even on the face of it, at first examination, any real builder of gadgets can see that it's not workable, AND your own attitude is so bad that nobody wants to work with you.

So the solution is very simple: suck it up and build it yourself.

Go down to your local high school with a technical shop class. They do still have those I hope. Approach the instructor with the same arguments and drawings you have presented here, and see if you can talk him (or her) into helping YOU build your very simple device precisely and accurately out of good materials with proper tooling.

   TinselKoala,
 your very first post in this thread, you contradicted yourself. And most people don't need the headache I've had to put up with. Just like AB Hammer saying he will teach me. I do the work and he gets the credit.
 I have put forth a fair amount of effort building. Why you and who ever it is yopu are talking about probably have not spent much time studying math to know which detail to pay attention to.
 Also, as far as i know, Stefan doesn't have a problem with someone working openly in his forum. It seems the people who have a problem with that are the experts that have no work of their own to show. In that regard, I don't think I've ever seen you or Bill post your own idea and allow it to be cticized or what ever by everybody else.
 this could be another reason why people take down their video's. Like Bill posted, I already know what I am working on will not work.
 Why don't you bother somebody else ?

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Re: My Invention
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Re: My Invention
« Reply #54 on: August 17, 2012, 06:43:27 PM »
   @All,
 Here is a vidoe that shows how lifting a weight closer to a cross beams center changes it's relative mass. Sometimes, being mindful of how trigonometry helps to understand this shows how it can work.
 If the distance from the center of the fulcrum to the center of gravity of the weight is the hypoteneuse, then we know that if the weight swings to an angle of 30 degrees, that it will have moved in that direction 1/2 the distance of the hypoteneuse.
 Simple. And that is what the idea is based on. The counter weight (opposing force) would be a constant.
 The picture shows a 2 1/2 lb. weight which would be for a larger scale build. The larger size would make for an easier build.
And since the weight has a hole in it's center, a 1/4" thick board could be bolted to each side of the weight. If it has a slot in it, thewn this would allow for a dowel going through it's center to be lifted. A much simpler idea than trying to get a ratchet type device to work.
 Then when the weight has been lifted, a line could lift the dowel allowing it to swing free. Of course the line would need to be attached to the base or the frame.
 Not sure when I'll be able to get around to building it. the reality is that not being able to work around my medical problem has made resolving that and getting back to work the number one priority in my life. Still, at some point will get back to building.
 
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youtube is processing it, taking longer than usual. will repost the link when the video is available to me.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBShOmZBR4k&feature=youtu.be
 

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Re: My Invention
« Reply #55 on: August 17, 2012, 07:33:03 PM »
   @All,
 I think the builder TK is talking about is rlortie, if not, then it is ab hammer.
 In the years I've seen them post in the forums, I haven't seen either one of them build anything.
They openly  state they are private builders and we'd have to accept that they have something (an idea) worth protecting.
edited to correct spelling
 

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« Reply #56 on: August 17, 2012, 07:39:33 PM »
   @All,
 I think the builder TK is talking about is rlortie, if not, then it is ab hammer.
 In the years I've seen them post in the forums, I haven't seen either one of them build anything.
They openly  state they are private builders and we'd have to accept that they have something (an idea) worth protecting.
edited to correct spelling

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Re: My Invention
« Reply #57 on: August 17, 2012, 07:52:29 PM »

   TinselKoala,
 your very first post in this thread, you contradicted yourself. And most people don't need the headache I've had to put up with. Just like AB Hammer saying he will teach me. I do the work and he gets the credit.
 I have put forth a fair amount of effort building. Why you and who ever it is yopu are talking about probably have not spent much time studying math to know which detail to pay attention to.
 Also, as far as i know, Stefan doesn't have a problem with someone working openly in his forum. It seems the people who have a problem with that are the experts that have no work of their own to show. In that regard, I don't think I've ever seen you or Bill post your own idea and allow it to be cticized or what ever by everybody else.
 this could be another reason why people take down their video's. Like Bill posted, I already know what I am working on will not work.
 Why don't you bother somebody else ?

LOL!
Here is my first post in this thread. Please indicate where and how I have contradicted myself.
http://www.overunity.com/12597/my-invention/msg331670/#msg331670

Am I bothering you? Sorry. I am really just trying to help.... but you don't want help, you want _confirmation_ of your idea. You want somebody else to do the hard work and take up the expense of constructing something, that you will then say wasn't built right because it doesn't work like you think it will.

And I will be very happy to put my math skills and education up against yours at any time. You and me, pencil and paper, no calculators or reference material allowed. Nobody has called you stupid or ignorant, we have just said your idea won't work and your ideas about the patenting process are flawed. But you want to start insulting people, their skills and education.... fine, that's your call. Just make sure you are right when you do it. In this case... I don't think you are right.

If you want to take a look at my latest projects, the ones that I post for criticism and input from people on this forum... you can start on my YT channel and look at the SassyClassE sstc, and the wireless power transmission videos. If you want to take a look at one of my mechanical builds that I did for another enthusiastic inventor... who was by the way making some of the same fundamental mistakes you are, I think... look for my build of mondrasek's magnet assisted gravity wheel.

I was happy to refer to my own work in passing and in the third person... but since you decide to try to degrade and insult me personally... well... DO THE MATH (tm RA).


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Re: My Invention
« Reply #58 on: August 17, 2012, 08:05:53 PM »
  TK,
 anyone can read your first post. you said I lost all patent rights by posting this idea.
 then you said in the next sentence that I have one year to file a patent,
 this is what I consider a contradiction,
 this is where I will believe the information I posted from the USPTO web site and provided a link for is correct.
 Also, I have done the math and all the difficult work with this idea. As builds go, I nave simplified the design enough to make it a relatively cheap build

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« Reply #59 on: August 17, 2012, 08:37:01 PM »
James,
 
I built a 2SO a few years ago and have been experimenting with it on and off ever since.  I have progressed to an overbalanced wheel that turns continuously in one direction, and have been testing various feedback mechanisms for that design.  Based on your drawings I think I can modify my original model to add in the lifting cord.  It is a basic wooden design with no bearings but it should suffice.  To get some quick feedback, I will physically attach the weight to the cord, because what you are really seeking (i think) is whether the balance weight will not only reset the main lever, but also raise the weight to it's original release height.  I will see what I can do this weekend (Aug 18 and 19) and will report back.
 
Rick

 

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