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Offline JouleSeeker

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Re: My Invention
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2012, 02:19:51 AM »
  Jim, I suggest you build a working model and not worry about US patents -- which will almost certainly not be granted in such a way as to protect your intellectual property anyway.
Abundant evidence tells us that patents these days protect the profits of big corporations, not the little inventor.

We've had numerous discussions on patents and why NOT to pursue these (wasting time and money) on these forums. 

  OTOH, you can still turn a reasonable and well-deserved financial return AND benefit humanity IF you proceed wisely, sans US patent.  I would be glad to re-iterate and discuss a path here -- but frankly a WORKING PROTOTYPE is step ONE.

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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2012, 02:40:43 PM »
  @TK,
 Would've liked to have had a family, Everybody I knew thought that was a bad idea. Right now, will need one more surgery before I can return to work.

@Dr. Jones, about the only gravity device that could benefit people would be Bessler's wheel. I may not have the wood working skills needed to build it. One of his wheels could be powerful enough to generate 500 watts. While that might not seem like much, in some places it would mean a water supply.
 Still, if someone wants to try this, why not ?
It might not be the Earth shattering news everyone expects it to. Instead, they might find out that like anything else, it takes time and effort to make anything happen. You know, no miraculous discoveries that change things over night.
 

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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2012, 04:14:28 PM »
  Jim, I suggest you build a working model and not worry about US patents -- which will almost certainly not be granted in such a way as to protect your intellectual property anyway.
Abundant evidence tells us that patents these days protect the profits of big corporations, not the little inventor.

We've had numerous discussions on patents and why NOT to pursue these (wasting time and money) on these forums. 

  OTOH, you can still turn a reasonable and well-deserved financial return AND benefit humanity IF you proceed wisely, sans US patent.  I would be glad to re-iterate and discuss a path here -- but frankly a WORKING PROTOTYPE is step ONE.

Best wishes,
Dr. Jones

  Dr. Jones,
 it is a big company that would make this invention profitable. that's reality. And if the patent rights go to charity, isn't that humanitariumism ?
 After all, if I have to build each one, would lose potential sells. Also, it is a lot of work just engineering one let alone building it also. I haven't seen a working perpetual motion machine or over unity device yet.
 And if you look at what gravity can do, look at a water wheel. that would be a realistic idea of how much power gravity could develop into commercial power. Bessler realized this potential. I won't discuss his work any more until succh time as I can return to work and have better circumstances to work under. After all, i have tried fo the last couple of years and it seems the people in the forum's lack the engineering background to understand how a water wheel could be made into a working perpetual motion machine. it seems most people can't move past what they know to learn from someone else's work like Bessler's.
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Offline johnny874

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Re: My Invention
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2012, 04:35:59 PM »
johny
Thanks for sharing your ideas, My mind is to small to model all those connections and motions ,I envy your obvious ability to play with these ideas.
   There is a member here [EM Devices] that recently advocated the pendulum as a possible OU source while dropping , perhaps you can have a look here
 
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1489.0
 
Thank you
Chet
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Bill good to see you around. [""Now"" is a very good time to be around.................!:.]
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Always good to see TK too.

  Chet,
 I did some basic math working in values of 9.8n-m and realized that at 45 degrees, a 1kg weight drop 29.3 cm's would generate .08 kg's (80 grams) of force.
 I am not sure if you are familiar with Milkovic's Pendulum ( http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/indexEng.htm ), but I think I happened across why his invention is able to perform more work than what is input into it. In some ways, it might be simple leverage working with the force of a moving weight. When the weight is moving towards the cross beams pivot, it has less force vertically allow his invention to tilt to the right. And when the weight swings away from the pivot, think two right angles here, the force of the weight being further from the pivot tilts the cross beam in that direction. This could be what they have not understood about his invention.
 So basically, I am borrowing heavily from his work which is one reason why I don't mind referencing his accomplishments.
In fact, if what I understand does work, then it might help him with what has motivated him in his pursuits. And with me, I do happen to like Johann Bessler's work which is where if I have to give up something to get something, that's okay, I'll still come out better off.
 In some ways. it's kind of nice being able to understand these things, but not worth much if nothing comes from it.
 In the pic, if you notice how much closer the weight is to the pivot means it's applying the much less force to the fulcrum. This is because the rules of leverage apply pretty much the same as they normally would.
 
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« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2012, 05:48:03 PM »
   @All,
  A cleaner drawing. The one I will build will use a deck with cleats. Somewhat of a homeage
to my having been around ships.
 If the release line is attached to the top part of the catch mechnism, then when the line is pulled
taut, it should release the swinging weight. The weight can have the rod to the fulcrum going
through it. This will allow it to slide slightly up it as it pushes the catch mechanism away before
the catch mechanism moves under the swinging weight to catch it on it's return movement. it is this line which will
time the movement or rocking/tilting of the cross beam. The catch mechanism can catch pins that are located on the
sides of the weights. This means that there woulld be 2 catch mechanisms working together, one for each side of the
weight.
 The cross beam's motion can be controlled by stops placed on the cross beam which interact with the
main support that the cross beam pivots on.
 The pulley for the opposing weight can be attached to the main support at about an angle of 45 degrees.
This will allow the force the line places on the pin or pulley to be in the direction of the support.
 The basic size from center pivot of the cross bem to the center of the pin for the swing weight is
12" (inches). The cross beam is centered length wise to maintain it's balance between left and right.
 
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 And to modify the agreement I posted, I do not work with private builders associated with the Arrache build group.
This includes AB Hammer.
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Hello Jim,


I don't   understand how that thing is going to work.    I assume the pendulam shown in the drawing is suspended by a solid rod.  This pendulam moves in a arc of a circle but not in straight line.  An arc of a circle has only one tangent at a given point.  So your weight when caught in the catching arrangement,  it can neither move upwards nor downwards  because for moving upwards it has to bend the belt in the form of arc described by the moving ball  and for moving downwards from the catch it has to be released from the catch because the arc path of movement of ball will be far away from the belt.   In either case it will not gain any energy.

Any over unity builder has to keep in mind :

It is impossible to make a single system pepetual because  Whatever adjustments you do, action and reaction will cancell off at some point to reach equilibrium.   

Whether to perform overunity work or underunity work,  you need a External force

Newton's third law can be re-written as " ACTION CANNOT BE PERFORMED WITHOUT EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION" .   When you stand on a loose ground and try to lift a weight,   you will go inside the ground and weight will not come up.

You can build a overunity device with two systems;  one driver and one driven  with output more than the input  but making a single system perpetual is impossible.



Newton




 

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« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2012, 07:38:39 PM »
  @Newton II et al,
 With "new" idea's, it might take a little time considering to understand how a system can effect
changes within itself.
 The attached drawing shows a basic outline of values in Mr. Miilkocic's works. What I realized is
that by catching the weight in it's inner position, it's relative mass would be calculated from where
it is suspended. It is when it is lifted at this point that it's motion is increased above it's own potential.
 And since the work being done by the opposing weight is less than it's potential relative to the fulcrum
of the cross beam, it would have sufficient energy to perform the work necessary to realize overunity.
 The diagram in the attachment shows how calculating the two stresses on a swinging weight change it's
potential within Mr. Milkovic's system. Point A is 30 degrees beyond the vertical center line of the fulcrum.
 The way to understand it's approximate values would be to add 0.500 plus 0.866, the sine and cosine of 30
degrees. Then when 0.500 is divided by 1.366, the value is approximately 0.366.
 This would mean that a 100 pound weight swinging to the left would have an additional force of 36 pounds
for a total force of 136 pounds. And when it swings inward ( to the right), it's force would be about 100 minus
36 which is about 64 pounds of resitence to the opposing weight.
 This is something that could be verified with basic tests. The reason Mr. Milkovic was not able to achieve
overunity status is not lifting the weight by using a mechanism operated by the opposing side. After all, when the
weight swings inward, it is closer to the fulcrum of the cross beam meaning it woud have a lesser effect on the
cross beam than the opposing weight.
 And with point C, .707 plus .707 equal 1.414 of which .707 is 50% or 1/2. This simple emans a weight would apply
it's force equally in two different directions. And at 30 degrees (points A and B), then the amount of force in either
direction changes based on the relationship between the sine and cosine.
 So do I think it will work ? I think it would be one of the simplest demonstrations that can work and where the math
behind it could be understood.
 
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p.s. And if it made a few million for charity, don't think I'd have a problem with that.
 
edited to change pics   :D

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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2012, 10:51:52 PM »
Let me jump in here and correct one major misconception:

A water wheel does NOT work by extracting energy from gravity!!

A water wheel is a SOLAR POWERED device. Think carefully about this. 

The water wheel works because there is a bunch of water, above the wheel somewhere, flowing downwards DUE TO GRAVITY, past and through the wheel, turning it. But how did the water get up there to be pulled down by gravity in the first place? This is where the energy comes from.

The energy to turn the wheel comes from the stored potential energy of the water in the reservoir, river or tank above it.

This potential energy is stored in the water by lifting it up from a lower place to the reservoir.
The reservoir is filled by rainfall.
The rainfall comes from the moisture in clouds.
The moisture in the clouds came from water evaporated at the surface of oceans, lakes and streams, and irrigated land.
The evaporation of the moisture was done by THE SUN's energy... and this is where the energy comes from to turn any water wheel. (Unless the water is pumped into the reservoir by nuclear or coal or oil fed electric generators and pumps. Even the coal and oil fed electric pumps are powered by the Sun, though.... where do you think that carbon came from? From plants, from the CO2 in the air, by a process powered by photons from the Sun.)

Now... the device shown in the drawings looks to me like a "chaotic pendulum" and is very difficult to analyze correctly. Let me just say here that you are doing it wrong, and part of why is because of your misconceptions.

And I have no idea what you were referring to earlier when you mentioned "family" and "surgery" but I hope it works out well, anyway.

Carry on....


"If you build it, they will come."  Or maybe.... not.

(And your lack of consistent scale in your drawing is also misleading you -- or me. A meter horizontally should be the same length as a meter vertically, shouldn't it? So your angles and intersection points aren't right, as shown, since your horizontal and vertical meters are different lengths.)

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Re: My Invention
« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2012, 11:02:04 PM »
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 TK
You said I have a misconception,
You referenced a rivers cyclic behavior due to solar radiation,
 You have seriously missec something. What you posted to demonstrate my ignorance is something King Solomon discussed in the Old Testament of the Bible.
 I would suggest people ignore your posts.

Jim
 
edited to add; I believe Tinsel Koala is a friend of AB Hammer. I know Pirate 88719 (Bill) is.
 Alan is a theologian who knows the Bible. it's sad. I remember Alan's posts. he told me he could teach my father engineering, even how to build a Viking longship. His specialty is antiquities. Mt father worked in a boat shop which I have been told has become a museum.
 You see, my father is from Norway and worked in his father's and grandfather's boat shop doing work by hand. AB Hammer has told me if my father apprenticed under him that he could teach my father what he already knows, engineering.
 Something else AB Hammer and his friends have missed;
  “For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.”        Ephesians 2:10 NIV
 I think that is one reason why I do not mind living my own life even if other people have it better than me. And as for my hobby
which is this, if it helps other people, then those who have said the road to Hell is paved with good intentions can have a beer with me and educate me to their beliefs.
 And if not, then I'll have one with Stefan and ask him how he has survived his own forum. LMAO!!!
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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2012, 02:22:27 AM »
Ok, so first I conspire with TK through pm's and now I am a friend of someone named AB Hammer?  Is there anything else that you would like to make up about me that is both not true and, I don't even know about myself?  Seriously Jim, I am starting to worry about you.

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« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2012, 03:31:50 AM »
  Bill,
 How about you live near Bowlingreen, Ky. and work as a private investigator.
 Your father made ceramic springs which he sold to the government and some how got ripped off and ended up with nothing,
 How am I doing so far ?

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« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2012, 03:51:08 AM »
  @All,
 to get away from ego's, this is something that is possible. It is also something that could be built for less than 30 dollars.
 Myself, I have no choice but to wait until next year. Unfortunately when I had surgery for cancer 3 years ago, my post op care missed serious effects due to my surgery.
 Still, life goes on.

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« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2012, 03:56:03 AM »
  Bill,
 How about you live near Bowlingreen, Ky. and work as a private investigator.
 Your father made ceramic springs which he sold to the government and some how got ripped off and ended up with nothing,
 How am I doing so far ?

Wrong on ALL counts.  What the hell are you talking about?  Is there some medication that you have forgotten to take?

Bill

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« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2012, 03:58:49 AM »
Jim:

I mean, I am very sorry for your reported health issues...I know that must suck but....Holy crap!

Bill

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« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2012, 04:27:59 AM »
  Bill,
 I think two posts by you anxwer the question. It seems I hit a raw nerve,
 Are you saying you are not a private detective and do not live near Bowlingreen, Ky ?

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« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2012, 04:32:06 AM »
  Bill,
 I think two posts by you anxwer the question. It seems I hit a raw nerve,
 Are you saying you are not a private detective and do not live near Bowlingreen, Ky ?

Yes, that is EXACTLY what I am saying.  (Edit)  I am also saying that I have never pm'd, nor spoken to TK about ANY device...be it yours, or anyone's.  I continue to say that I am not now, nor have ever been friends with anyone calling themselves AB Hammer.  I also did NOT ever say that this device talked about here in this topic will never work.  Is there anything else that you want to toss out there that is wrong about me?  Life is waaay to short for this BS.

Bill

Edit   I also only edit my posts for spelling and clarity.  Being a Moderator on 2 other topic areas does NOT allow me to do anything here that you can not do yourself.  Have I covered everything?

 

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