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Hope

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Build Kits Available from PlasmEGR Noble Gases Engine
« on: August 10, 2012, 06:41:56 PM »
http://plasmerg.com/kits.html


This explains the offer.  This is for a WORKING project kit.   I, for one, am going to order one and actively investigate getting a license as soon as I prove this incredible claim for myself.  Though the kit has no "fuel" gases included, the mixture recipe is printed for the making.    Making flat heads for a further build on a VW engine and modifying a VW distributor should be do-able.  Re-building the engine with pistons and O-rings would seem within reach of many brothers and sisters here on the forum.  I suggest if you do build a different engine using these principles and control board that you DO NOT start you first tests with a FULL  LOAD of "Fuel" gases.


Take it sensibly and with caution,  try a 1/4 load perhaps or something small enough to test the run loading of the mechanical parts.  Ensure that you DO NOT create to much power for your engine conversion design.  If the engine was a 75HP by FACTORY design it would be wise NOT to push that limit.    HAVE A GREAT FUTURE ALL!  (I will try to place the order form in our "DOWNLOADS" section in can the mysterious vanishing act happens yet again)

mscoffman

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Re: Build Kits Available from PlasmEGR Noble Gases Engine
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2012, 09:18:25 PM »
Hope,

You need to do some simple calculations on the output of the Plasmerg Popper
based in the estimates of what is being demonstrated at the Telsa Conference
from the videos.  I estimate 1RPS = 60RPM, weight 30lbs., throw 4 inches with
1HP being equals to 550 foot lbs per seconds. The Plasma Popper gives an output
of only .75Hp 1% of the claimed  250Hp/2 = 125Hp per cylinder of the final engine.
*but is  consistent with Papp's using nuclear material as his ignition source while the
Popper has none, therefore no gain is to be expected.*

This output power is 3000 times too small to see whether there is any obvious
thermodynamics violation during the operation of the Popper or not!

I claim that the "navy patent" engine which includes hydrogen gas in it's mix and makes it's
ignition source = LENR energy. (Info Hidden in plain sight, BTW.) Rather than Papp's nuclear
materials.

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An interesting simple experiment would be to measure the cylinder temperature
rise with instrumentation while the Popper it is autocycling at 10Hz and reduce the
data. I expect one would see only unity energy gain, ie. no excess energy. If there was
excess heating it would indicate LENR in helium or something similar and would
be a positive unexpected anomaly. The heavier an element's atomic weight the
more energy it takes to undergo fusion.  So only the lightest is expected to fuse
My belief is that LENR specifically requires hydrogen gas.

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See, I don't think Plasmerg has their ducks in row no matter what they think of themselves.
Without a high quality demonstration that includes data taking and on the spot data
reduction they are simply a faith based organization engaged in character worship.

In other words, from my perspective; "In God we trust...*All* others pay cash"

and credibility comes from convincingly demonstrating an operating device
while understanding it's operational methods hierarchy, no other way.

:S:MarkSCoffman

TinselKoala

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Re: Build Kits Available from PlasmEGR Noble Gases Engine
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2012, 10:55:28 PM »
I think what they are showing could actually a thermoacoustic engine of sorts. It's running on the thermal expansion-contraction of the gas, and is driven by the input of energy from the electronics.
A noble gas like helium is ideal for closed, gas-cycling thermal engines like Sterlings and TAs.

If anyone can get a VW engine to run using this system.... that would indeed be a miracle. And I've overhauled _many_ VW engines and aircraft engines of similar design, so I have some idea of what I'm talking about there.

To make a set of flat heads that would fit onto a standard 1600 cc VW engine is a trivial machine shop exercise and any competent machinist could make a set in a couple of hours. Especially if you don't need cooling fins or valvulation. However... it would be a waste of time, because you will never be able to make enough pressure in your cylinders to overcome the crankshaft bearing friction without actually burning some kind of fuel gas. Don't forget.... your noble gas "popper" VW will now be two-stroke and could also be developing some power during the "suck" phase as the gas shrinks from cooling... but also there will still be a lot of bearing and seal friction to overcome.

Hope

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Re: Build Kits Available from PlasmEGR Noble Gases Engine
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2012, 01:11:56 AM »
If you watch the complete demo you will see it lifts 400 psi 1.25 inches and that is at a very reduced volume of gases due to it only being a prototype model to show the principle.   I live near Boeing and know many people there,  the one engineer I do know is very optimistic on the power output results.   A new engine type will have to go through a lot of certification before it will every be in commercial aircraft usage,  so I don't expect to see this noble transition engine any time soon.   


Mark do you have a working device you can open source?  We respect your helping with so many projects and all wish we had something concrete to build. 


The hydrogen gas is a solid key and I wish more people would research hydrogen's importance in interaction with other atoms.  If Helium is the main string then Hydrogen is that main string plucked!  And that causes it to react with all the other elements, just as sound wave's do with its surroundings.





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Re: Build Kits Available from PlasmEGR Noble Gases Engine
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2012, 01:53:43 AM »
Anybody who is interested in this stuff should go the PESN web site and read the last three or four Inteligentry articles.  Much more importantly, you need to read all of the comments.  Mark E. and myself and others challenged John Rohner and exposed him for what he really is.  He has barely any technical competence and unfortunately there is simply nothing here.  And I really mean nothing.
« Last Edit: August 11, 2012, 03:49:21 AM by MileHigh »

TinselKoala

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Re: Build Kits Available from PlasmEGR Noble Gases Engine
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2012, 06:53:54 AM »
@MH: I get so lost over there. It looks like John Rohner and his brother don't exactly get along.... I did find some mention of his fake PhD claim, and some old pages where he claims to be getting ready for commercial sales of working engines in 2010--haha.

Hope

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Re: Build Kits Available from PlasmEGR Noble Gases Engine
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2012, 07:02:43 AM »
What if we use hydrogen gas in a different way?   By isolating it in a vacuum then sparking it with plasma it will contract something like 1855 times its volume.   




Funny to think an engine build to take advantage of this principle "would really suck"!  (LOL)

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Re: Build Kits Available from PlasmEGR Noble Gases Engine
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2012, 07:37:17 AM »
Isn't it odd that a pianola works by using suction !
 
 
                         Compression
 
 
 

MileHigh

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Re: Build Kits Available from PlasmEGR Noble Gases Engine
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2012, 06:54:07 PM »
TK:

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@MH: I get so lost over there. It looks like John Rohner and his brother don't exactly get along.... I did find some mention of his fake PhD claim, and some old pages where he claims to be getting ready for commercial sales of working engines in 2010--haha.

The poster Mark E. is brilliant.  He really knows his stuff and his knowledge spans a lot of scientific disciplines with a lot of depth.  I have been reading him on PESN for a couple of months now.  Notice that our good buddy Mr. Wayne put him at the top of his listing and called him a liar.  So he even gets a ringing endorsement from Mr. Wayne.

The two Rohners apparently have been doing battle for quite some time but that is just a minor side show.  John Rohner is selling is "popper plans" and I asked him how to test it.  His response was a muted "duh?"  It was comical.  We asked him how do you know that the device is demonstrating over unity.  His response was that if the piston moves that proves it is over unity.

After that Mark E. and myself and others talked about possible ways of measuring the input and output.  A few days later when John Rohner found an opening he parroted our statements about making measurements on the device and claimed he does it all the time.  More tragicomedy.

John Rohner comes off as a clueless country bumpkin, and when you read his borderline-psycho resume on the Inteligentry web site you can see that he has had an extensive working career as a firmware programmer tweaking BIOSes and stuff like that.  Just because you can write assembler code does not mean you know much else, as is readily apparent when looking at the case of John Rohner.   His brother Bob Rohner's presence on PESN is less but it would appear that he is cut from the same cloth.

It's a really big sheww.

MileHigh

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Re: Build Kits Available from PlasmEGR Noble Gases Engine
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2012, 09:25:18 PM »
@MileHigh
Can you give a link to that comments thread? There is so much old information mixed in with the new on PESN and PESWiki that I can't find the one you are talking about.
Thanks..
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TinselKoala

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Re: Build Kits Available from PlasmEGR Noble Gases Engine
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2012, 09:31:25 PM »
What if we use hydrogen gas in a different way?   By isolating it in a vacuum then sparking it with plasma it will contract something like 1855 times its volume.   




Funny to think an engine build to take advantage of this principle "would really suck"!  (LOL)

Certainly implosion engines can be made to work. However....

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By isolating it in a vacuum then sparking it with plasma it will contract something like 1855 times its volume.   

Whaat? If you pump down a chamber to a good vacuum, then introduce some pure Hydrogen in there, and spark it..... nothing will happen.
If you put in a stoichiometrically correct portion of Hydrogen and Oxygen in there and spark it... it will indeed implode, producing water as "ash". The exact reduction in volume depends on the starting pressure. The number you cite is suspiciously close to the reduction in volume when Steam at atmospheric pressure condenses to water. Do you perhaps have your paradigms muddled?
Just provide some support for your assertions, with checkable outside references or a demonstration of your own.... please.


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Re: Build Kits Available from PlasmEGR Noble Gases Engine
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2012, 01:13:19 AM »
@MH: thanks.
 :)

But comments? I see the article pages but I can't find comments.

MileHigh

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Re: Build Kits Available from PlasmEGR Noble Gases Engine
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2012, 01:41:49 AM »
TK:

I have to assume that you scrolled to the bottom of the pages and saw no comments.  Perhaps the comments are Java-based and you disable Java by default?  Not sure, I am not a browser nerd.

Perhaps try a different browser?  I am assuming you surf on a Linux box?  Perhaps try a Windows box?

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Re: Build Kits Available from PlasmEGR Noble Gases Engine
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2012, 04:18:18 AM »
TK:

I have to assume that you scrolled to the bottom of the pages and saw no comments.  Perhaps the comments are Java-based and you disable Java by default?  Not sure, I am not a browser nerd.

Perhaps try a different browser?  I am assuming you surf on a Linux box?  Perhaps try a Windows box?

MileHigh

Must be that, yes. Usually I am notified by the security if they omit something, but apparently not on PESN.

I'll strip to my civvies, switch to Chromium, and try again. Thanks.....
(Try a Windows box? Oh no... it's time to change the garlic and polish off the crosses... and reload some silver bullets.....)

ETA: Yep, that did it. I see everything in Chromium... including all the ads. Thanks, there goes my evening... I'll be reading for a while.