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Author Topic: David Hamel three cones device, solution may already been out there!  (Read 10726 times)

Offline bs2012

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I assumed you have the idea what it is.  Pls Google for it first, if necessary.

Pls share your opinions.

Let's discuss the physical theory:

- the design allow easy wobble of the cones
- when any  of the cones wobble, as the magnets move, tiny and even neglectable electricity fired up
- when that fraction of electricity travel along, the electricity will reach the other two cones and causing tiny and even neglectable magnetic influence on them
- each tiny and neglectable electricity or magnetic movement is increased by threefold on the cones
- when thousands or millions of these tiny movements accumulated, one of the cones would start it's first mechanical movement
- the mechanical movement trigger more mechanical movement on the other two cones and fire up more electricity
- the process repeated until the cones begin to wobble up to million times per second
- significant and even unlimited power would be generated

That matches what Hamel and others described:
- nothing happen for the first few minutes
- the device then breeze, wobble and smells getting out
- causing interference to tv signal as high voltage leaking from the device
- red or orange light was seen and eventually exploded as the device is overloaded with the power it generated

Why people failed to replicate the device:
- the cone and the shell must be made of metal
- the shell is mandatory and it should near the magnets
- the cone won't and never spin, don't limit yourself with the traditional design of power generators
- allow time for the device to start up

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Offline FatBird

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Re: David Hamel three cones device, solution may already been out there!
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2012, 02:11:17 PM »
Please post some information about it, because most of us don't know what you are talking about.
 
Thanks.
 
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Offline gauschor

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Re: David Hamel three cones device, solution may already been out there!
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2012, 04:30:02 PM »
I think this clears it up http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:David_Hamel_Motor

Very interesting read, but I think it's not easy to construct and it requires expensive special parts e.g. granite balls... But who know, maybe it works?

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Offline bs2012

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Re: David Hamel three cones device, solution may already been out there!
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2012, 07:01:24 PM »
Bottom granite balls and magnets as well as the top magnets seems unnecessary if the device is fixed on earth.  Gravity is sufficient to keep the cones in position and wobble.  The top and bottom constructions are to fixing the cones when the device need moving or being used in a place where there's no gravity.

Sizing is a critical concern as it is very difficult to construct and balance if it is too small.  It is also difficult to find materials in perfect shape and material for the cones and the shell.

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Re: David Hamel three cones device, solution may already been out there!
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2012, 11:39:20 PM »
Don't waste your time or money. I spent a lot of time on this thing and could never get it balanced enough to continue to wobble. It would always come to a stop.

Vince

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Offline bs2012

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Re: David Hamel three cones device, solution may already been out there!
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2012, 12:43:35 AM »
Vince, may I know the size of your device.

Have you let the device run (with the shell on) to let it accumulate sufficient power to wobble again?

Any isolation between the cone and the shell cover?

According to my study,  the initial wobble is not perpetual.   It only trigger certain electrical and magnetic movement along the cones and the shell.  When the movements accumulated sufficient power,  mechanic movement on the cones would be resulted.  The device would start to wobble again.  The time required is determined by the size of the device and the distance between the magnets and the shell.  It won't work if the shell is too big.

Pls share your experience.

Do you still have the device for easy tuning / fixing?
« Last Edit: July 30, 2012, 02:00:41 AM by bs2012 »

Offline FatBird

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Re: David Hamel three cones device, solution may already been out there!
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2012, 03:59:32 AM »
Vince, Thank you VERY much for posting your picture.
I can tell you have a LOT of time & money in that.
 
Thanks for sharing sir.
 
 
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Offline bs2012

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Re: David Hamel three cones device, solution may already been out there!
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2012, 05:38:28 AM »
Vince, I almost missed your wonderful  picture as I access the page in wap mode.

Your device is very sophisticated.  I wish I could have this skill.

The principal for Hamel's device basis on electromagnetism theory.  A changing electric field
generates a magnetic field; conversely a changing
magnetic field generates an electric field.  Change in magnetic fields in the device would also affect the balance of the cones to cause it move and eventually wobble.  The move and wobble of the cones cause more electric and magnetic fields change.

Would it be the case for your device that the gap between the magnets and the shell too far away?  It will work if the outer magnet ring is directly mount on the outer metal shell rather than on the vertical support bars.

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Re: David Hamel three cones device, solution may already been out there!
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2012, 07:08:00 AM »
@Bs2012

The device was about 36" high. I do not have it anymore as I cleaning up and decided I did not want to spend any more time on it so I scraped it.  I too did a lot of research into the device and considered building it in a shell but found that it was too difficult to adjust in that configuration.  With my setup I was able to adjust the position of the outer ring to the cones very precisely and then insert it into a barrel to which it was designed to fit into.  Believe me I played with that thing a long time and no matter what I did, it would always find a point to stop.  I do not believe that David Hamel made his device any more precise than mine was as most of his work was quite rough and made out of scavenged material. The gap between the outer rings and the inner rings was about 1/4" at any point on the circumference. When I first read about the device it made total sense to me and I thought that if I made it correctly there is a good possibility that at best it would not be able to find a equilibrium and at least wobble continuously. The top of the cones were made from aluminum sheaves and the cones were rolled from aluminum sheet and welded to the sheaves. The base was made out of six concave aluminum cup bases that were facing each other and had large glass marbles between them. the Top magnet was on a brass threaded rod with a crank that allowed exact positioning. On Hamel's original he put a magnet on the lid of a barrel and place it in position with no method of adjustment. After building this thing and looking at all the possible inacuracy that can arise and not go into making it never find equilibrium I read the accounts of Hamel device with a different perspective. 

Maybe it worked as accounted but I am finding it far more difficult to believe than ever before.

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Re: David Hamel three cones device, solution may already been out there!
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2012, 08:00:44 AM »
Vince,

What is your barrel made of?  Is it metal?  What is the gap between the barrel and the magnets?

From your information, the distance between the inner and outer magnet ring is 1/4".  Could that be the gap between the barrel and the magnets over 1/2" which is beyond the effective range of your magnets?

I am considering to fix the outer manget ring on the shell.  The magnets on the cones are fixed on adjustable screws.  This design could allow easy adjustment but also expand the size of the device.

Have you look into the electromagneticism possibility of the device?  I belive adding some voltage to the shell might affect the magnetic field inside to kick start the wobble too.

Offline bs2012

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Re: David Hamel three cones device, solution may already been out there!
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2012, 11:33:00 AM »
I believe 3 vital points need to meet in order to replicate the device:

1. the presence of a shell.  A metal tube. would be perfect.  It must fit the magnet field range that when the cones wobble,  there is magnetic field change in the shell and electricity could be generated
2. the cones, similar to the shell, must be of metal and within the range of magnetic fields
3. the cones should be floating within the outer rings.  That means when magnetic field change as electricity passed by, the cones would lost it's balance to 'move'

Hamel's device is a combination of mechanic and electromagneticism device.  The initial wobble is just a start up and it won't last long.  Subsequent wobble should be caused by and after sufficient accumulation of electromagnetic power.

Would like to check if somebody has already made similar research / experiments before.  Pls share your experience.

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