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Offline synchro1

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Re: Joule Motor
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2012, 12:51:35 AM »
I lit a 120 volt LED off the BEMF that would normally go to the charge battery in the Bedini SG by spinning a bearingless 1" neo sphere inside a Spiral bifilar, The circuitry inside the Lights of America 7 watt LED, converts the BEMF from the 12 volt 400 milliamp input @50k, into 70 Lux units of power. This is the first time I've been able to measure the BEMF accurately.
This equals about .o % of the input. Not enough to generate any meaningful EMF in the secondary power coil. I would look elsewhere for an explanation for the acceleration, like the effect connecting a charge battery to a Bedini rotor, or Lenz delay.
 

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« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2012, 01:15:24 AM »
I have built a new motor, and narrowed in on the schematic.  The AC comes off the secondary flyback coil and goes to a bridge rectifier.  Lots of weird things occur and I can't even repeat some of the experiments because I don't have the equipment to control variables.  The most interesting things are:
If the battery voltage is higher than the zener diode breakdown voltage things get interesting.  Start up and it runs along, then connect the positive from the BR and the rpm shoots up and the charge on the cap shoots up above rating.
Also if I connect the negative of the bridge rectifier it slows the motor down noticeably and running gets rough.  Take the negative lead off and the rpm goes shooting up.
With the volt meter hooked up to the bridge rectifier, posiitve lead to battery, voltage on the battery will increase while running for awhile and then settles.
Overall, I don't see anything breaking laws of physics (but I didn't expect that). 
My preliminary thought is the flyback is getting amplified by the passing magnet and has more than a whisper of ma.
There are times where I think "wow".  And then a few minutes later I see battery voltage drop and I say, "yep".
Overall, I do see about 250 ma drawn from the battery, 25 ma going back if I measure with amp meter, and yet when i am done with 10 minutes of running battery voltage can be lower or higher.

Here's today's video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EztG45B-qr0

Offline synchro1

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Re: Joule Motor
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2012, 06:04:40 PM »
Apply torque to the drive shaft, and the battery will drain at the same rate it would without the recovery loop and speed up effect. The same thing holds true for Thane Heins's Lenz delay circuits. He can charge the source battery while the vehicle's coasting. Looping the a.c. BEMF from the secondary is actually increaseing the the hysterisis loop in the primary, causing Lenz delay. This causes a speed up that can actually send power back to the source battery with no additional load while ideling alone but nothing more.

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« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2012, 06:04:40 PM »
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Re: Joule Motor
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2012, 08:03:03 PM »
@LynxStream,
Two Zener diodes, rated zero to x hi-voltage, reversed from each other on each end of the secondary, looped to the primary, may produce the same desired phase shift acceleration effect from the capacitive nature of the inductor. 
   

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« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2012, 02:30:19 AM »
One Zener, an inductor choke with a ferrite core and a shottky diode at the return end to the power coil. Coupled with the Hall effect and power transister combination. I plan to try this Tuesday. I think this kind of simple tunable retarder may alter the way power is generated by the magneto effect of the spinning magnet rotor, and cause a Lenz reversal, propeling the spinner. I'll be be back with my results. The way you wired  the Zener was inspiring to me, thanks.
 
 

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Offline synchro1

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« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2012, 12:18:43 AM »
I finished the frame for my twin Spiral Joule Motor. I mounted a nice 1" tube spinner on precision ball bearings and attached a timing wheel with several small trigger magnets.in a wooden photographic box. Tomorrow, I plan to shop for and install the Hall effect, and Zener diode for my first replication test.
One Spiral is Quadfilar. The spinner accelerates when a tailored LED light bulb load is applied directly to the high voltage a.c. output. I believe this speed up effect is a cosequence of Lenz delay, and that Lynxstream may gain additional propulsion, from a multi wrap trifilar power coil with a bifilar series wraped output coil interlaced.
I imagine how a spinning neo sphere might store recovered road power as a flywheel battery, to replace the dead $3k NiCadHy in my Honda Insight Hybrid. An alternator that could charge while running could hydrolyze HHO, and srore it in an onboard compressor tank, as a second lightweight "battery". The Insight's clean air sensor shuts the gas off to the injectors completely in favor of the less noxious HHO.
 

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« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2012, 05:31:18 PM »
The acceleration was coming from a mistake I made.  I had mistakenly wired the secondary so that it kicked the motor over on the other half of the cycle.  What this did was made it so that when the main coil fired through the transistor, the voltage dropped slightly under 12 volts and the zener didn't conduct through the secondary.  When the transistor switched off there was a flyback spike and with the voltage now over 12 volts the zener would conduct a little and the motor would kick over the other way.  Rectified AC is over battery voltage in this way.
So in essence the motor will run very fast when voltage is slightly over 12 volts, and slow down when voltage drops below.
I was able to keep the motor running for quite some time in this mode with voltage hovering between 12.02 - 11.99 volts.
Is there extra energy in surplus of input?  No, but if you count the torque at the shaft it is a very low draw motor.
Perfect timing helps quiet the motor.  Transistor on at 10-15 degrees ATDC, and off at 10-15 BBDC (before bottom dead center).

I will try putting a 12 volt zener in front of the primary coil to keep voltage right at 12 volts and see if this smooths out the running.  Excess voltage will hopefully back charge the battery and not just go to more amps in the motor.

Hopefully you can build on this concept and discover some more interesting things.

Also, I can draw a much simpler to build setup for anyone wanting to play with this.

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Offline JouleSeeker

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« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2012, 08:58:59 PM »
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Also, I can draw a much simpler to build setup for anyone wanting to play with this. - Lynxsteam

That sounds good to me, Lynx!  would appreciate it.  (I'm working on two other builds at this time also, non-moving, but would like to try your latest stuff and learn from it!)


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« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2012, 04:42:20 AM »
Nice work Lynxstream!   I haven't read this whole thread but the first thing I noticed was what you mentioned about it putting out a higher voltage than what is required to run it.  That is exactly what is going on with UFOPolitics Asymmetric motors over on EF in case you might have missed it.  Member UFOPolitics is very advanced in motor research and has been doing work with them for many years, has patents on some of his work and is now putting together info on Asymmetry which is somewhat related to Tom Bearden's work and of course Tesla is very much involved in his inspiration.  His dual commutator motor does put out a higher voltage on the generator end than it takes to run it.   You might find some things of interest there.   I believe he designed servo motors for aerospace and I think it's great he's sharing all the info he has found.  A very altruistic sort too who is totally open source.   Just a warning though if you decide to visit the thread as things went haywire for a day or two due to some naysayers/agitators who I would say were like babies compared to the amount of knowledge and experience UFOPolitics has but they seemed to think they knew better so you can imagine the fireworks that followed ( hhisg + kiafb = fireworks )  LOL  if you read the whole thread you may understand that equation but don't worry it's not important to the motor work.  Thread here:  http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11885-my-asymmetric-electrodynamic-machines.html


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« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2012, 05:00:07 AM »
Thanks for the tip.  I have watched that thread at the energetic forum.  I am very familiar with those motors.  My passion is to see what can be done with aircore coils.  There is no iron or steel in the motors I am playing with except the stainless steel shaft which is non-magnetic.  Eddy currents in steel can be avoided and mitigated but cause heat.  Heat is wasted energy unless you want heat.  Its tough to run 3 amps through a tiny steel cored coil and not make things pretty hot.  30 awg wire is good for 1 amp so I am not sure how long these motors will run on 3 amps.  The Joule motor runs on 250 ma or less.

I will post another video soon just to show how the Joule Motor runs when tuned.  It runs very cool and smooth.  I am trying all sorts of weird things with earth grounding, antenna, running loads off the high voltage.  I haven't found anything like Over Unity, but still quite fun.

Now I am using the mistake I made with the secondary firing through on the second half of the cycle to my advantage.  I upped the resistor on the base to 400 ohms and still can't slow the motor down.  Charge on the capacitor across the bridge rectifier runs between 12 and 45 volts.

The other weird thing is the motor runs fine on less than 12 volts even though my theory about the 12 volt zener says the secondary shouldn't have much power.

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Re: Joule Motor
« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2012, 06:38:00 AM »
Hey Lynx

I noticed in your motor vid that the batt starts at 12.55v, but once you started the motor and you got it to jump to a higher rpm, shortly after starting, the meter went up to 12.6.

What was it that you were doing that made the motor speed up/voltage up, at the time?

Something happened there. ;] Cuz if anything, while the motor was running, we should have only seen a voltage drop. ;]

Mags

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« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2012, 03:13:30 PM »
Magluvin,

I think what happens is the capacitor is charged up from the last run sometimes and when I hook up the battery to the motor that charge feeds back to the battery in a quick charge. 

Timing is everything with this setup.  Now I am not using the AC feedback at all.  Just the basic circuit with a bridge rectifier/capacitor in the power line.  The AC now comes from antenna and earth ground.  This is like alchemy.  I have no idea what I am doing sometimes, just trying things.  This is sort of the electron pump idea.  If the DC is pulsing across the capacitor I am trying to siphon some energy from a 50 ft antenna and a solid earth ground.  If the capacitor is bouncing back and forth like a timpani drum I am trying to pull in charge from air and ground.

I definitely see a very slow decline in battery voltage while running, but when I check the battery resting voltage it can be higher than starting voltage.  I think this is significant because if you ran a screaming RS motor for five minutes you would see a decline in battery voltage and a hot motor.

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« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2012, 04:42:13 PM »
This closed loop Hall effect spinner circuit of Lidmotor's returns back spikes to the source capacitor:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=729qGYl7pTw

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« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2012, 05:31:46 PM »
Lidmotor inspires me to try new things.  I love his videos and his easy style.  (We are both sailors)

I can easily light led's run fans, etc off the Joule Motor.  I have made a lot of Joule Thiefs.  They are fun and amazing.  But, I have moved past that.  A Bedini motor uses the magnet to trigger the transistor to push the magnet away and the flyback is a high voltage spike.  But the trigger coil doesn't do much other than trigger the transistor.

Naively, I am trying really hard to do something more amazing in my experimenting.  I love a challenge.

The challenge is to fool the motor rpm into running fast enough to put out a higher voltage than the source battery.  To do that we need to have the magnet spin past the coils and in such an orientation to run on top of the flyback charge voltage.  Also, timing the induced current so that the it flows through the other coil back to the battery in a way that increases rpm.

I wont succeed in achieving OU, but I will exhaust this line of experimenting and maybe something will come of it.

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« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2012, 06:57:11 PM »
Here are the instructions for making this Lynx Joule Motor as simple as I can make it.  Feel free to use your own scraps and techniques.  Avoid using metals, even aluminum which will cause the magnetic field to drag.
You can trigger the transistor in other ways, but the magnetic fields are pretty strong.
Neodymium magnets would be better but aren't necessary.  Any ceramic magnets will do for experimenting.
When you come to the point of orienting the coil leads, just hook up a 1.5 volt battery straight to the coil and see which way the magnets move.  You can mark the magnets N/S and see which way the field is oriented.  Solder the coils to the circuit.
Remember with air core coils the center will act as a pole when energized, but when induction occurs it is only when the magnet pole aligns with a leg of the coil, (not the center of the coil).
Adjust the base resistor (33 for high amp draw, 400 for low amp draw, 1k potentiometer would be ideal))  for the best speed and lowest amp draw.  You will be looking for a point at which the battery drain while running is near zero. 
Fine tuning the transistor on and off time and base resistor value is fun!


 

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