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Author Topic: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors  (Read 18031 times)

Offline onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2010, 04:24:13 AM »
@all + jerry

Notice:
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat4835433.pdf

http://www.rexresearch.com/nucell/nucell.htm

http://www.google.com/patents?id=oKM5AAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Sr-90 is also a beta emitter, but it's a compound that's is likely available by license from the Gov't, since it's used a lot in medicine.

-Lee

Is there some reason why the government don't want you to have it, I certainly agree if you do, they know that Nuclear Beta voltaic would compromise their best interests. NASA should only be allowed to use such technology in spacecraft interstellar or not, NOT!

there are various Isotopes that flip the bill that are not under extreme supervision and do the job.

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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2010, 04:39:43 AM »
Is there some reason why the government don't want you to have it, I certainly agree if you do, they know that Nuclear Beta voltaic would compromise their best interests. NASA should only be allowed to use such technology in spacecraft interstellar or not, NOT! ...
Money talks loudly to these people.  It always did.
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...there are various Isotopes that flip the bill that are not under extreme supervision and do the job.
Paint in radio-luminescent watch dials might be one.  Thorium compounds, I think.  Widely available and inexpensive.  I do like the patent, but it takes way, waaaay specialized parts to be built.

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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2010, 05:17:34 AM »
Money talks loudly to these people.  It always did.Paint in radio-luminescent watch dials might be one.  Thorium compounds, I think.  Widely available and inexpensive.  I do like the patent, but it takes way, waaaay specialized parts to be built.

you should never listen to a guy like me, you might learn something new. even if it is a couple of decades apart. still, there are those who don't even pay attention to technologists and the insults will still in-sue.

with solar voltaic coming up to +90 % efficiency and with beta voltaic energy I could clearly achieve OU, since the process to make them is 20,000 times less then the amount of energy they deliver, Beta voltaics produces 20,000 times more energy output than what it took to make its isotope.

I have been preaching about light trapping and light amplifcation techniques for a couple of decades now in solar tech, now it is finally coming full circle soon. but slowly. I hate the slowly part.

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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
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Offline the_big_m_in_ok

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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2010, 06:13:02 PM »
I have been preaching about light trapping and light amplifcation techniques for a couple of decades now in solar tech, ...
I remember seeing, awhile ago, a patent application for a contraption that had a light bulb in the center that was surrounded by photosensitive sheet material which generated more power than the light consumed.  Cadmium sulphide was mentioned as an example.  There were others(like indium sulphide that were better, but more expensive).

There was no patent that I could see, since I believe the application was stalled or rejected by the Patent Office "powers that be".  Not surprising.  It was impressive in it's OU possibilities.

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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2012, 05:52:36 PM »
Cutting edge,
I have similar interests as yours.

 Are you familiar with the British (GB763062) Coleman, Seddon-Gillespie patent? I have been collecting the goods to try and build this, but lack the chemical expertise. I have positioned myself working in a job that has placed decent rad gear in my possession. Accurate alpha, beta, neutron counters and  dosimeters etc. as well as being nuclear Haz-Mat trained. I have the RF expertise and gear to drive it. I just need some one with the Chemistry background. I think I have procured most of the chemicals to try it.

I read your list of beta emitters , FYI Cs-137  also pukes out copious amounts of Gamma-

Zatheros

I've looked at the Colman/Gillespie patent and something struck me about it.

I'm no expert in anything, but it seems to me that being patented in the 50's they may not have known exactly what was taking place.

That is, I see no studies or measurements of the supposed radiation emitted, to confirm that's what was indeed happening.


I have a theory about the operation of this device...

#1.
My theory is that the reason it has to be bombarded with a 300mhz shortwave signal is not to keep a reaction going, but rather to keep the quartz resonating, and while it does so, it is MOVING; OSCILLATING; UNDULATING at 300 cycles per second...WHILE securely fastened in place, and filled with metal salts(powder) that may or may not affect this movement...perhaps stabilizing it or something- keeping it from shattering. This movement puts it under mechanical stress, perhaps enough to build up an electrical potential like that which was described.

#2.
Perhaps the radiation to be shielded against is actually MICROWAVE radiation. (Not being an expert, I question those of you more knowledgeable than I- "Could a lead shield block microwaves?" I've read that the quartz was necessary because of heat buildup, but is it possible that this is from the 300mhz wave heating water molecules and/or a microwave frequency being emitted?

#3.
QUARTZ crystal was used. We know that quartz is a very special substance with unique properties. Under stress, it develops electrical potential. The stress also changes it's resonant frequency. Could this be the secret to free energy? Creating a quartz oscillator that gives off tremendous energy because of the stress of resonating to a specific frequency?

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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2012, 06:44:50 PM »
no that's not microwaves
microwaves are non ionizing

those beta rays are comparable to soft or hard x rays which are ionizing radiation and hazardous



I see. Thanks.

Perhaps something else made them sick.

As far as I can tell, there's absolutely no evidence that beta rays(or any other radiation) were emitted from the device, other than the inventor's claim.

I can't find any record of the device being made/tested by a third party to confirm it, or much on it at all besides the patent itself.

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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2012, 06:46:05 PM »


I see. Thanks.

Perhaps something else made them sick. (I also considered that maybe the cadmium salts are hazardous and that might explain it.)

As far as I can tell, there's absolutely no evidence that beta rays(or any other radiation) were emitted from the device, other than the inventor's claim.

I can't find any record of the device being made/tested by a third party to confirm it, or much on it at all besides the patent itself.

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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2012, 07:09:54 PM »
X rays often give rise to the phenommena of secondary emission which correlates with many free energy devices.
the amount of secondary electrons can exeed the number of primary electrons ie Steven Mark's cannon balls and Farnsworth Multipactor or like in A Hubbard transformer which is said to have used used radium paint.
it's a well known phenommena that needs to be calculated when designing vacuum tubes.

That's interesting.

Also interesting is the effect in vacuum tubes. Perhaps that had something to do with the success of Tesla's Peirce Arrow experiment which used a number of them.

What gets me about this device though, is that it seems that a simple 300mhz signal can illicit a low energy nuclear reaction. I'm not saying it's not possible, just that it's never been duplicated to my knowledge, and so I tend to think something else is going on.

The quartz was supposedly used for it's heat resistance, but given it's unique properties, I would like to see A) the original device replicated, and B) one with more or less 'cells' of cadmium, cobalt and phosphorus  salts and C)a device with some other other heat resistant material other than quartz.

I think perhaps you might see that the device without the quartz produces no output.

I have a suspicion that somehow the quartz oscillation doesn't take as much energy to keep going as the energy released when it's under this stress of vibrating at 300 cycles per second. The fact that it used quartz and a 300mhz frequency says to me that we have a (possibly very special) quartz oscillator that could account for the power.

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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2012, 05:22:47 PM »
i have seen it many times before.
the Michel MEYER NMR Amplifier Generator uses a similar principle although slightly different it has no real radioactive elements which would make it a preffered choice as you don't want to mess with real radioactive sources for obvious reasons.
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyernmr/meyer.htm
there are more but then i have to digg them up.

Man, now I'm gonna have to translate that one hehe.
“God spoke to me last night! He spoke in French…did not understand a word he said!”
-Steve Martin

That's all very, very interesting.

I thought that even though normally quartz doesn't put out much current that this might be different. If it's really emitting radiation and creating a nuclear reaction, then what is actually happening to the cadmium, phosphorus, and cobalt salts? I mean, maybe it's possible that one of the three is actually reacting with the other two, gaining and giving up electrons, but if that's the case, then wouldn't that mean that you have transmuted one or more of them into an 'isotope'?

Cadmium-107 has a half-life of 6.5 hours.

Every other known isotope of the three lasts for days or years, which is partly why I have trouble believing that the Colman/Gillespie generator is creating a low energy nuclear reaction...but maybe in the presence of the magnetic field and the other elements draining electrons off of it, you would speed up the decay.



The device doesn't seem too difficult to build, other than obtaining the materials.
Maybe we could get this guy to build one:
http://pesn.com/2012/07/01/9602123_Dale_Pond--The_Love_Scientist/

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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2012, 05:22:47 PM »
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