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Author Topic: Simple to build isolation transformer that consumes less power than it gives out  (Read 248798 times)

Offline Jack Noskills

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I have proven this to myself using watt meter and bulb in two trafo test. But maybe watt meter is not good for measuring inductive loads, don't know. Maybe light bulb passes more power so that its brightness does not increase.
 
How many minutes you think it would take for a skillfull person to do a measurement if suitable equipment is available ? Five, or maybe ten ? If this is considered to be a waste of time then so be it.
 
I am trying to get a second opinion, makes no sense to debate over such a simple circuit. What matters is the results only.

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Offline poynt99

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Fine, but you are missing the point;

You have NOT had confirmation of OU results from any other party, yet you continue espousing that it is indeed OU.

You have NOT proven this to yourself beyond reasonable doubt; you are only speculating that it is OU based on your poor measurement equipment and method.

Ask yourself this: Would you bet your house on the notion that your circuit produces OU? No, I doubt very much you would.

I would however bet my house that your circuit doesn't, even without testing it.

Offline Lester444

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I don't have the patience to read through all the posts.........

Did anybody notice that this configuration is just a plain auto-transformer?  For a 1:1 winding ratio the output voltage will be half of the input.

(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff383/Navigator444/Auto-transformer_zps651b8638.png)

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Offline e-

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...Did anybody notice that this configuration is just a plain auto-transformer?  For a 1:1 winding ratio the output voltage will be half of the input....


yes, look at my post:

http://www.overunity.com/12487/simple-to-build-isolation-transformer-that-consumes-less-power-than-it-gives-out/msg331160/#msg331160

Offline Jack Noskills

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This comparison picture shows that setup is exactly the autotransformer. I have noticed that when coils are of different length then it consumes power. But when coils were of equal length my wattmeter did not show any change and lamp was not lit at first trafo when I did two trafo experiment. Also tuning cap made output brighter. Load taken at output did not ahow anything changed at input and this made me think there is something going on. First I did the two trafo experiment, then one trafo and results were similar. In one trafo experiment when capability of the core was exceeded only then power was being used from source. If coils were of unequal length then power was always consumed. So this was it in a nutshell.
 
Current status is that several replication attempts have been made but they did not show anything special for various reasons. Most important is to use windings of equal length and impedance must be high. If anyone can try using secondaries of MOTs that are similar then that would be great. Alternatively any low power iron core stepdown trafo can be used and take secondaries from them and combine as 1:1 trafo. I used 20 watts laminated E-I iron trafos.

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Offline Ghazanfar_Ali

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Just an idea of mine. Need Comments.

Offline T-1000

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Hi guys,

Over time I studded what factors could lead such circuit into OU (+second energy source from background) conditions.

What I see related to Jack Noskills stuff are conditions when you have resonance in paralel and resonance in series mixing together on same circuit. Please see my posts with more explanation on it if interested in cross-over thread starting at my post http://www.overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg357338/#msg357338

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Offline bryanwizard

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if you experiment the above schematic it will only give you half of the output.

please see it first that you understand basic electronics before posting such stuff.


Offline dieter

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This is how it ends? What a shame. I think Jack said the truth. But some of you look-at-me-I-know-everything-betters are just unbearable.


Jack, I still think there was some special phenomena going on. Selfinductence, causing opposite energy flow, not only in the primary, but also in the secondary coil, as far as I see.
But since the secondary in connected with Transformer 2, it has a double saturation time. But not only that, Tr 2 is also shortened, so L1 magneticly induces into L2, while L2 induces in L1, with a small delay, probably causing a standing wave.
Tr2 also has the high selfinductense, which makes the whole thing even harder to understand. As far as I see, your phenomen results from the natural resonance of the 1:1 Ts, their harmonies and a slight detuning due to cable lengts etc. that will allow the quasi standing wave to be partially extracted.


Probably this is OU, probably just theft from the power plant since you maybe use their voltage without to actually let current flow, it is however remarkable and I hope you continued with it. Wish you good luck.
I have to say, I'm a beginner in electronics, so my mind is not yet blocked by the dogmata of "accepted science ".  8) 


Took me quite some time to read the whole thread. :)

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Offline MarkE

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Dieter, this sort of thing has come up before and when carefully evaluated there was never any OU.  The usual problem is confusing real power:  That is power that actually does useful work with reactive power, which is power that gets stored and released.  One can catch and release a thousand fish a day, but they can't cook any they don't keep for dinner.  So it is with reactive power:  It is stored and then released back to the source.  Any fish that we "keep" represent real power.

Low cost power monitoring devices do a poor job of separating out real power from reactive power.  Things with big coils and / or big capacitors confuse such devices.  A self-looping test would be definitive.  If a self-looped test cannot be arranged then the power measurements have to be performed carefully with something like a power analyzer.

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I have to say, I'm a beginner in electronics, so my mind is not yet blocked by the dogmata of "accepted science ".  8) 


I am also a beginner and just learned that it is very difficult to measure the real power output of transformers and coils. It has all to do with the "power factor".

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor

Power factor:

The power factor of an AC electrical power system is defined as the ratio of the real power flowing to the load, to the apparent power in the circuit, and is a dimensionless number between -1 and 1. Real power is the capacity of the circuit for performing work in a particular time.

Apparent power is the product of the current and voltage of the circuit. Due to energy stored in the load and returned to the source, or due to a non-linear load that distorts the wave shape of the current drawn from the source, the apparent power will be greater than the real power. A negative power factor occurs when the device which is normally the load generates power which then flows back towards the device which is normally considered the generator.

So, people measure the apparent power and wrongly conclude that they see OU. Unfortunatelly most OU claims are based on naive measurements.

Greetings, Conrad

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Offline Farmhand

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Well said Conrad. I stayed up late last night trying to read this thread, and I have to say, I do not understand why people would get so mobilized by the baseless claims of one person not even showing a picture showing that he has even built a device, and the claims based on the observation of a couple of light globes.
All it is is a couple of transformers. OMG

I hope people learn from this and discontinue to keep trying things at random, and instead try to learn some basics of electrical theory. Without a solid understanding of basic things like Ohms Law, power factor and Counter emf, people are open to believing almost anything.

This thread shocked me I have to say.

Cheers

Offline Cap-Z-ro

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Here is just the latest reason for the so called experts in a particular field to mind their own business and stick to their own research and leave the "ignorant and the uneducated" be.

" Discovered by accident

As to the new method, it was pretty much discovered by accident. According to the Boston Globe:

Dr. Charles Vacanti is an unlikely protagonist for one of the most startling scientific discoveries in years.

The genial 63-year-old anesthesiologist who left stem cell scientists shaking their heads in wonder and puzzlement last week, with the discovery that a simple acid bath could be used to generate powerful stem cells, doesn't even have a PhD.

Vacanti is an accomplished tissue engineer and the chairman of the Anesthesiology Department at Brigham and Women's Hospital, but he's a virtual outsider to the highly competitive and fast-moving stem cell field. ...

His discovery is a reminder that as specialized as science is, sometimes, a little ignorance may be a virtue. A stem-cell expert would probably never have even bothered to try the experiment Vacanti has been pursuing, on and off, since the late 1990s."
I rest my case...again...for the umpteenth time.

But some people just don't seem to get it, and likely never will...that most significant advancements in a particular field are 'discovered by accident'.

Regards...



Offline Farmhand

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Well I'm self taught mostly, I'm a boilermaker by trade. So what did we discover here by accident ? I don't buy everything the experts say either. I do lots of unconventional experiments, but I don't make baseless OU claims. If I think I find "OU" or extra energy entering a circuit, I would check three times think about it then ask someone else to verify it, someone who I know is competent at measuring power, AC or DC.

Cheers

P.S. Notice the experts are taking notice though, so he might be onto something, biological processes are a bit different to power measurements.

Also treating the stem cells to an acid bath may have repercussions later on for the recipient see the link. So a lot of further research would be required, in my opinion.
http://www.cancerfightingstrategies.com/ph-and-cancer.html#sthash.VObWzpu7.dpbs

The guy is certainly not a novice is he. Vacanti is an accomplished tissue engineer and the chairman of the Anesthesiology Department at Brigham and Women's Hospital

It's a similar situation to an electrician discovering something an electrical engineer didn't. They are both in the same field (medicine) and qualified.

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Offline Cap-Z-ro

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All naysaying accomplishes is to stifle free thinking.

Can't you see that ?

You discourage creative thought of other tinkerers with negativity.

Let people find their own way, they may stumble on to something along the way.

Nobody is getting scammed by this concept, so just allow people time and space to dream think build.

Its not that hard...all you have to do is be silent and let things unfold in a natural spontaneous way.

Who knows, you may see something that takes you in the right direction.

But that can't happen when you are making noise and not listening.

Regards...

 

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