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Author Topic: Simple to build isolation transformer that consumes less power than it gives out  (Read 252340 times)

Offline T-1000

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Penno,
Wattsup and itsu are invaluable replicators and it is just stupid to assume they are after money..

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Hi T,
 
You misunderstand.
 
Here, Australia, when someone is totally correct, our expression used is, they are ON THE MONEY.
 
Sorry, I should resist from using slang.
 
Btw Jack, thanks for helping to try and get this going with MOTs.
 
 
I have also at my disposal, several 240v - 9v (.5A) and 15v (1.1A) identical transformers that I could
pull apart is you feel they maybe usefull.
 
Let me know, Penno

Offline Jack Noskills

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As requested -
 
Changed bulb to 40w - as expected, begins to glow at lower voltage (I am using a 240 Variac for testing)
 
Wattmeter pre variac - 240v 0.07A and 10.2W
 
Inline digital ampmeter shows (in place of safety bulb) - .06 to .07A AC of course.
 
Begining to feel Wattsup was on the money. Maybe the coils 170ohms is to high for this exercise.
 
Let me know what you think. Thanks, Penno.

0.07 A is 70 mA which is enough to light up 40 watt bulb almost to half brightness. This means the coils are now 'leaking', is this 70 mA now measured with two coils ? My fat nano used less than one watt when two coils were connected. How does this compare to your system when you have two coils without load ?

Did you test what is the idle power in L-coil-amp meter-N circuit without variac ? Coil in my iron trafo has 165 ohms of resistance so it is close to yours. I dont have variac so we cannot compare. I used watt meter in the wall and when I put load watt meter did not see it.

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Offline Jack Noskills

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How does one rectify DC and get a sine wave, anyway? Curious Koalas want to know.
I was talking about rectified sine wave, meaning if the negative cycle is folded back to positive at output in the circuit. So output waveform looks like sine wave pulses, when frequency is high enough then it 'looks' like DC in scope if you look at it 'far' enough'.

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I want to remoind you again that high impedance is what is needed for this to work, idle power when using just one coil should be as low as possible, below 0.01 A. Only then you can squeeze power out.

Anyway, it is good to find out why MOTs don't seem to work at grid frequency. They would be usefull at higher frequency but I know it is difficult to get variable frequency AC source that has some power behind it. Fixed high frequency drive would work too, but then you have to experiment with wire lengths which is time consuming. Seems that MOTs require tuning caps, but first L of one coil needs to be measured accurately with a meter that measures L at the frequency coil is going to be used. This could be a difficult problem, or you can try if you are lucky as I was:
 
I know what you are thinking, have I spent 600 hours on the bench searching for FE or only 500 ? This could be the most powerfull free energy device in the world that could blow the competition CLEAN off. So the question you are going to have to ask yourself, "Do I feel lucky ?"
 
In case you did not recognize it, that was from the first Dirty Harry movie with some minor adaptation to current situation lol.

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One result. transformer # 14T0011-002 surplus new.  Two multiple tap primaries N - 100v -105v -110v -115v -120v plus multiple secondaries. Idle current will reduce to 21ma. using 1.8 mfd 600v cap. 40w incandescent bulb on load pulls 40.8w on meter. Next test 40w bulb in input side glows brighter than one in load side. This transformer weighs 22 lbs. and was used to try to get a large measurable difference.
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I'm not in it for any money so whatever I find, I post. hehe
Much safer that way.

Here is a small vid I made with the standard circuit best scenario with my newer transformers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsmBGNeWPfc

The result is no OU of course for these transformers. Just wanted to show the off phase and output discrepancy between each side of the AC.

Anyone that has a pair of nice fat bifilar coils, with or without core can try the same wiring and see what gives.

Also, anyone with a romero wheel that is using bifilar pick-up coils can put one pick-up coil on the wheel and one pick-up coil as the other transformer and see if the output can occur without creating drag. Thane Heins can try this with his magrotor or his many other coils.

wattsup


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One result. transformer # 14T0011-002 surplus new.  Two multiple tap primaries N - 100v -105v -110v -115v -120v plus multiple secondaries. Idle current will reduce to 21ma. using 1.8 mfd 600v cap. 40w incandescent bulb on load pulls 40.8w on meter. Next test 40w bulb in input side glows brighter than one in load side. This transformer weighs 22 lbs. and was used to try to get a large measurable difference.
Garry

You need to use two similar coils from it and leave others unconnected. Use the finer coils. Measure the idle power of just one coil, then compare it to power you see when two coils are connected together (without load). Idle power should be lower. If it higher then second coil is wrong way and you need to swap connections.
 
Check the efficiency of your trafo, use it as normal trafo and check how much power it can provide at output. When wiring is correct, then you can take this power and then some without taking it from the wall.

Measure the resistance of the coils you use for reference.
 
edit:
 
Can you take measurements with and without cap ?
« Last Edit: August 16, 2012, 12:41:51 PM by Jack Noskills »

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@ T1000 (ARUNAS): Did you make a video of your setup?, unfortunately for me, I can't get it from your  quick drawn circuit.
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[size=78%]Quote from: iflewmyown on August 15, 2012, 04:08:57 PM[/size]
One result. transformer # 14T0011-002 surplus new.  Two multiple tap primaries N - 100v -105v -110v -115v -120v plus multiple secondaries. Idle current will reduce to 21ma. using 1.8 mfd 600v cap. 40w incandescent bulb on load pulls 40.8w on meter. Next test 40w bulb in input side glows brighter than one in load side. This transformer weighs 22 lbs. and was used to try to get a large measurable difference.
Garry


Jack :You need to use two similar coils from it and leave others unconnected.


That is what I did.


Jack: Use the finer coils. Measure the idle power of just one coil, then compare it to power you see when two coils are connected together (without load). Idle power should be lower. If it higher then second coil is wrong way and you need to swap connections.


That is what I did.
 
Jack: Check the efficiency of your trafo, use it as normal trafo and check how much power it can provide at output.


Each coil separate 124VAC .085A     Dc. ohms .8           


Wired together .038A   no load


Normal isolation transformer  With load 124VAC 2.2A  input         


Normal isolation transformer  With load 120VAC 2.2A out


Garry






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[size=78%]Quote from: iflewmyown on August 15, 2012, 04:08:57 PM[/size]
One result. transformer # 14T0011-002 surplus new.  Two multiple tap primaries N - 100v -105v -110v -115v -120v plus multiple secondaries. Idle current will reduce to 21ma. using 1.8 mfd 600v cap. 40w incandescent bulb on load pulls 40.8w on meter. Next test 40w bulb in input side glows brighter than one in load side. This transformer weighs 22 lbs. and was used to try to get a large measurable difference.
Garry


Jack :You need to use two similar coils from it and leave others unconnected.


That is what I did.


Jack: Use the finer coils. Measure the idle power of just one coil, then compare it to power you see when two coils are connected together (without load). Idle power should be lower. If it higher then second coil is wrong way and you need to swap connections.


That is what I did.
 
Jack: Check the efficiency of your trafo, use it as normal trafo and check how much power it can provide at output.


Each coil separate 124VAC .085A     Dc. ohms .8           


Wired together .038A   no load


Normal isolation transformer  With load 124VAC 2.2A  input         


Normal isolation transformer  With load 120VAC 2.2A out


Garry

I have been told that this setup halves the voltage at output, so if you have 120 volts coming in there is 60 volts at output. Output waveform is sinewave, also current is sinewave with some high frequency bumps in it, I counted four distinct bumps per one wave.

I think the parameters in your trafo are good enough, but not perfect. Idle power could be closer to zero with one coil, but still this should work properly. Since idle power decreases with two coils your wiring is correct.
 
Did you try the two lamp experiment ? Light on output side should be brighter than the current limiter bulb. If they are equal then something is not right. In this case can you provide a picture of your setup so connections and lamps are clearly visible ?
Can you do the two trafo experiment, also with bulbs ? First trafo need not be similar to first as long as it is 1:1, or 1:2 as voltage is halved at output.
 
Did you measure the resistance of the coils to make sure they are equal ?

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@ T1000 (ARUNAS): Did you make a video of your setup?, unfortunately for me, I can't get it from your  quick drawn circuit.
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T-1000      I watched all those links in russian a few times    I understand no russian.   I see excited people and equipment and circuits.   I have a 1000Watt variac/ one constant voltage trafco 15 amps, one LARGE older neon sign DUAL trafco.   Can anyone make a finer detail schematic of the circuit for us?


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You asked to see my efficiency of my transformer
I replied
Normal isolation transformer  With load 124VAC 2.2A  input          Normal isolation transformer  With load 120VAC 2.2A out


It does halve the voltage wired as shown in the diagram.


I did try the two lamp experiment the input bulb is warmer, not the output. The DC ohms are listed above and are equal.
No one wants this to work more than me. I bought these transformers just for this experiment. I did the two transformer experiment with bulbs first. I listed the model number so no one else would waste money on this transformer. It may well work with every other transformer in the known universe but not with these two.
I was trained in this field forty years ago and it should not work like you claim so I didn't test your idea till just now. Every time someone sees something new to them they tell the world but I have only seen free energy three times in thirty years and I declined to pursue each of those ideas ( none were original with me )
I wasted an hour this morning retesting and twenty minutes typing this. ( I type very slowly ).
Garry
P.S. If you have this setup working with iron transformers at 60Hz. A picture with meters would encourage people. Even the two bulb test with an infrared thermometer would be helpful. I have been sucked in before by people with an idea who want someone else to do the work. There is free energy for the taking and it has to be somebodies idea. Once you have seen it you will chase every lead to make it practical.

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You asked to see my efficiency of my transformer
I replied
Normal isolation transformer  With load 124VAC 2.2A  input          Normal isolation transformer  With load 120VAC 2.2A out


It does halve the voltage wired as shown in the diagram.


I did try the two lamp experiment the input bulb is warmer, not the output. The DC ohms are listed above and are equal.
No one wants this to work more than me. I bought these transformers just for this experiment. I did the two transformer experiment with bulbs first. I listed the model number so no one else would waste money on this transformer. It may well work with every other transformer in the known universe but not with these two.
I was trained in this field forty years ago and it should not work like you claim so I didn't test your idea till just now. Every time someone sees something new to them they tell the world but I have only seen free energy three times in thirty years and I declined to pursue each of those ideas ( none were original with me )
I wasted an hour this morning retesting and twenty minutes typing this. ( I type very slowly ).
Garry
P.S. If you have this setup working with iron transformers at 60Hz. A picture with meters would encourage people. Even the two bulb test with an infrared thermometer would be helpful. I have been sucked in before by people with an idea who want someone else to do the work. There is free energy for the taking and it has to be somebodies idea. Once you have seen it you will chase every lead to make it practical.

OK, I just did not understand .8 ohms what it means, 800 ohms ?
 
Two lamp experiment when current limiting bulb is brighter than output tells me that load is possibly now in wrong place. It happened to me when the load was between the two coils. Load must be so that one end is connected to junction, that is in the middle where two coils connect, and the other end in the beginning of either coil.
 
Do you have a link for this trafo you are using ? It has iron core ?
 
I have one replication now by a qualified EE, low power trafo and coils have about 35 ohms resistance. This gave about COP of 1.5, a mere 7 watts extra but it is a start. Stronger coils would gave better COP. Output waveform is flattened sinusoid, so most likely meters are not quite accurate. Also voltage is divided by two. Bulbs are better determining difference in power at this level if there is no scope available. Maybe I can get pictures of these waveforms later once testing is complete.
 
Sorry this did not work for you, I would like figure out why if you still have strength to investigate more.

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I have one replication now by a qualified EE, low power trafo and coils have about 35 ohms resistance. This gave about COP of 1.5, a mere 7 watts extra but it is a start. Stronger coils would gave better COP. Output waveform is flattened sinusoid, so most likely meters are not quite accurate. ...

Sounds great, Jack, but can you please tell us:
1.  How did he measure input power and output power?  2.  What are the actual measurement numbers he measured, for both input and output power?
3.   What circuit did he use, e.g., with or without capacitor?   actual circuit diagram please.
4.  And, if possible, can you tell us what trafos he used?  photo?

I would like to see this work also!  but more info is required for me to jump back in, since I'm one of those who did a replication (two actually, with different trafo-pairs) but only saw COP < 1.
Thanks, friend.

 

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