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Author Topic: Simple to build isolation transformer that consumes less power than it gives out  (Read 250678 times)

Offline Hope

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Here is Romanov self runner in Russian side:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eKi7ol12c4#t=0h44m0s

The main working principle is in LC resonance in series generating pure current with lowest voltage in last winding as possible+ attached BEMF from Joule ringer for pure voltage and with much higher frequency sawtooth wave for mixing up with current. When current is mixed with BEMF voltage in 180 degrees to each other, it adds for summed up power.  Strangely enough, nobody was giving more attention to this...

Here is my quick drawn circuit and signals waveforms:


OM Gosh does anyone here have time to do a proper schematic translation from this information?    T-1000 can you provide us with a parts list as well?  We will look forward to an off the self parts project we can ALL make to the same standard world wide.






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OM Gosh does anyone here have time to do a proper schematic translation from this information?    T-1000 can you provide us with a parts list as well?  We will look forward to an off the self parts project we can ALL make to the same standard world wide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4swpF3k03c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZU1_i0kZ7M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlze-GnsxEs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCeQu18ck3E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uObjlXTtgQY + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVDNkF1npHs&feature=plcp + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66-DV9kY2dM + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slBPWQGBZwA + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eKi7ol12c4

You need to understand the working principle first and do experiments for building blocks before you will be ready for complete setup...

Offline dllabarre

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The main working principle is in LC resonance in series generating pure current with lowest voltage in last winding as possible+ attached BEMF from Joule ringer for pure voltage and with much higher frequency sawtooth wave for mixing up with current. When current is mixed with BEMF voltage in 180 degrees to each other, it adds for summed up power.  Strangely enough, nobody was giving more attention to this...
Here is my quick drawn circuit and signals waveforms:


T-1000

Is G1/G2 just a Joule Thief circuit?
How are 2 Joule Thief circuits wired together in your circuit?

Thanks
DonL
« Last Edit: August 14, 2012, 05:00:45 AM by dllabarre »

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Offline Jack Noskills

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I suggest that we first get baseline replication of this simplest circuit as it needs just two coils, only then try mods to see if they improve.
 
I don't have equipment to make any videos, besides 30 watts free from the junk I use is not important as such, the operating principle is: output has no effect on input!
 
I would like to see what happens with iron core at higher frequency. Iron is no good when used as normal trafo at frequencies above 400 Hz or so, but this is not a normal trafo. Those two coils are in perfect sync with each other so their magnetic fields cancel. This means there is no magnetostriction as there is no delay, can this enable us to use higher frequency with iron ?

Before you say 'no', then think about Leedskalnin. He lifted rocks that weigh several tonnes and he said he used iron/steel cores. What if high frequency with iron creates anti gravity effect when coils are connected 'my way' ?
 
wattup, have you scoped what is the output waveform like, can you confirm if it is rectified sine wave ? If so, then at high frequency one could also say it is "DC with has component in it (SM)" or "dirty DC (TK)". Coincidence ?
 
dllbarre, I PM'd you the other day, don't know if you got it. Well, there was no information in it as such, just asked you to get back to me if you don't find the details you asked in TK thread.

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@Jack
I will receive 3 of them shortly .


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T-1000

Is G1/G2 just a Joule Thief circuit?
How are 2 Joule Thief circuits wired together in your circuit?

Thanks
DonL

You can use joule thief there. They tune itself to resonance easily and all we need from them is high voltage BEMF spikes 180 degrees to current phase in the choke.

Offline Jack Noskills

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@penno64,
 
E head to head means you will have room for four coils, you will use only two of them, the fine wire. You will also learn about magnetic current in this test, those cores stick together after power is switch off and stay that way. This depends on the phase of the sine wave is in when power is switched off. Magnetic current will go in the core forever.

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Offline penno64

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Thanks Jack,
 
I got that, but this is the bit that gets me -
 
"Then connect the similar coil from second MOT as shown"
 
Penno
 
p.s. a wiring diagram is what this dummy (me) needs

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wire it as shown in the one trafo setup, there is a picture on page 3. If you are uncertain how windings go, then try both ways. But use the bulb for limiting current in case you quessed wrong. There is also picture about this in page 3.

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Ok Jack,
 
Results for first part of test-
 
L - Coil - bulb - N   =  no light.
 
Checked all connections and measured voltage at bulb - less than 1v AC
 
Bulb 60w - dc resistance = 72 ohms
 
Mot finer gauge wire  - dc resistance = 150 ohms
 
Penno

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wattup, have you scoped what is the output waveform like, can you confirm if it is rectified sine wave ? If so, then at high frequency one could also say it is "DC with has component in it (SM)" or "dirty DC (TK)". Coincidence ?

@JN

I'll look into that tonight.

I do remember that when putting just a scope probe on each side of the load (no probe grounds used), one side sine wave was a good three times higher then the other and slightly off phase, I'd say about 25% off phase. I found that to be interesting but really don't know how to determine if the sine wave is rectified DC or simple AC.

My output volts meter only sees the AC.

wattsup


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How does one rectify DC and get a sine wave, anyway? Curious Koalas want to know.

Offline penno64

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OK Jack,
 
Have it wire per pg. 3 diagram and now the 60w bulb glows very dimly at 240v.
 
Guess its time to start adding caps?
 
Typically, what type and size should I be testing ?
 
Thanks, Penno
 
p.s. pic to follow

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@JN

I'll look into that tonight.

I do remember that when putting just a scope probe on each side of the load (no probe grounds used), one side sine wave was a good three times higher then the other and slightly off phase, I'd say about 25% off phase. I found that to be interesting but really don't know how to determine if the sine wave is rectified DC or simple AC.

My output volts meter only sees the AC.

wattsup

Can you see the output waveform with and without load just in case ?
You see voltage amplification because your coils are not equal length. This creates different potentials in the junction before the load and hence some current flows through the coils. If coils were equal then this would not occur and all current would go via load. This is my interpretation.

Offline penno64

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As requested -
 
Changed bulb to 40w - as expected, begins to glow at lower voltage (I am using a 240 Variac for testing)
 
Wattmeter pre variac - 240v 0.07A and 10.2W
 
Inline digital ampmeter shows (in place of safety bulb) - .06 to .07A AC of course.
 
Begining to feel Wattsup was on the money. Maybe the coils 170ohms is to high for this exercise.
 
Let me know what you think. Thanks, Penno.

 

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