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Author Topic: Bessler , Karl I! The fat lady is gonna sing , haters bring it I'm not skeered .  (Read 63876 times)

Offline johnny874

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oh gawd... ::) here we go again...
the principle of hydraulics is FREE ENERGY. ::) ok... so then it should be easy to build a working wheel... WHERE IS IT?

   Wilby,
 I have sent a message to Hartiberlin (Stefan) about your conduct.
 
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   Wilby,
 I have sent a message to Hartiberlin (Stefan) about your conduct.
 
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whatever... ::)
i'm curious about leibniz now though...  i mean this is a guy who according to the wiki:
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Leibniz made major contributions to physics and technology, and anticipated notions that surfaced much later in philosophy, probability theory, biology, medicine, geology, psychology, linguistics, and information science. He wrote works on philosophy, politics, law, ethics, theology, history, and philology. Leibniz's contributions to this vast array of subjects were scattered in various learned journals, in tens of thousands of letters
tens of THOUSANDS of letters... he designed wind-driven propellers and water pumps, mining machines to extract ore, hydraulic presses, lamps, submarines, clocks, etc. and yet all he wrote about bessler's amazing and world changing wheel was what amounts to a crappy 'celebrity endorsement'. ::)

seriously?

and why would bessler make his maid swear this oath?

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whatever... ::)
i'm curious about leibniz now though...  i mean this is a guy who according to the wiki:tens of THOUSANDS of letters... he designed wind-driven propellers and water pumps, mining machines to extract ore, hydraulic presses, lamps, submarines, clocks, etc. and yet all he wrote about bessler's amazing and world changing wheel was what amounts to a crappy 'celebrity endorsement'. ::)

seriously?

and why would bessler make his maid swear this oath?

  Wilby,
 you have consistently shown that you have no understanding of engineering. Why do you bother ?
 
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  @All, I have asked Christo if he might post some of this in besslerwheel dot com.
 Children play among the pillars
with loud heavy clubs.
Acrobats and shadow-boxers
are as swift and nimble as the wind.
 
  I believe these statements refer to the childs toy which is 2 men with pick axes. When one swings down, the other swings away. And like acrobats, the weights flip from the outer part of the wheel to the hub where it makes a loud noise.
 
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edited to add; Wilby, you should change your name. If you knew history, you would know that the Romans only wrote about 2 sentences about Jesus if that much.

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   @all,
 I think this is when we start using Occams Razor. This means that a ximple answer is most likely correct.
 I have read some of Besslers writings on bw dot com. In the DT, he was describing the 12 foot wheel at Kassel with the mechanics of Mt 20.

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   @All,
  This is something I posted in the other forum. it's basically how bessler's unique rim worked.
 When I started thinking about it, I liked the idea that much more. The reason for this is the
sides of the rim give support to keep the rim round. This is important because any
distortion of the rim could result in catastrophic leakage keeping the wheel from working.
 What might be possible to save on weight is to remove wood on the outer part of the wheel
essentially leaving support ribs going around the wheel. I think this is something that when
built everyone would understand.
 And with the leather tube being "inlaid" into the rim, it creates a seal while maintaing the
tube's position in the rim. With the seal, the boards on the left and right would create the seal
by pinching the leather together.
 Wood pegs would hold the boards above the lether attached to the boards beneath it. Wooden
pegs would be used to hold everything together. When they have hot warm water poured on
them, they will absorb the water and expand. This is an old timey fastener. And of course, when
the pump is in operation, the force would be in the direction of the seal. This would help to
maintain the integrity of the seal and it's components.
 All I can say is Bessler was pretty smart. But then, like any good engineer, he found solutions
instead of problems.
 by the way, the picture shows the pumps in their inner position. When they move outward, there
will be spaace between pump sections. It would take getting bessler's wheel built to see if it's
something to be concerned about.
 
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The problem with the water pump idea is that any water displaced by the moving weight is exactly the same as the movement of the weight.
So no matter how small you break the steps down, it's still the same and will not work.


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   lumen,
 you got it half right. the water being movec would be about one half the movement of the weight. the other half of the movement of the weight would be realized in the rotation of the wheel.

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If I start another thread are you gonna do the same thing again or can you restrain your ME ME ME ME ME :'( ness ?

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I never thought gravity wheels could work but the story of Bessler is quite convincing for a story. Then I found this simple design that must work and could possibly be how Bessler did it!
Christo,
Tell us what your thinking.
 

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I will not bore anyone with what I'm thinking...I will SHOW the world what I am THINKING !  Where everyone else ( except for Bessler ) has failed I will succeed and we will see who has made a career out of failure and leading others into nothing . I will gladly publish the reasons Bessler attributed his success to God ( and not just simple mechanics or himself ). You will be able to either build or purchase this device . I still have not built anything but my understanding of the device is complete ... and I have most of the materials right here at home .

P.S. I'm just adding this for S&G . Because regardless of the giant brains over at BW forum , I being considered a newb and a troll myself will prove them all to be of inferior insight and/or intellect and in due time (less than ten years!) .
Kaine aka tasier79 @ BW forum wrote to johnny874 :
Dear troll
 
 Although you believe you have some personal gift and understanding of Besslers wheel, let me assure you that you do not. Although your infantile attempts at solving this problem are expected from a beginner, most  beginners wouldn't be delusional enough to believe that they alone have a unique understanding of gravity that defies the laws of physics.
 Whatever your personal grievances you believe you have with certain well respected members of this forum exist only in your head. You are your own worst enemy.
 Seek help
 Yours Sincerely
 Kaine

Me again: This is a typical  "holier than thou and I'm a good judge " attitude expressed in various ways by nearly everyone on that forum . What they really hope for ( in their stale and desperate souls ) is that some newb WILL (because they are fresh out of ideas)  come along and out of a need to fit in will dump the simple and ingenious design ( or at least some semblance of it ) into their laps . I really would much rather sleep with dogs and fleas than try to fit in with that group of guys . I encourage anyone to not even try , all of the top slots are taken by the most anal retentive persons one could imagine .
« Last Edit: July 15, 2012, 03:18:16 AM by christo4_99 »

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I never thought gravity wheels could work but the story of Bessler is quite convincing for a story. Then I found this simple design that must work and could possibly be how Bessler did it!
Christo,
Tell us what your thinking.

   lumen,
  Am quite certian he was successful. One thing you'll find out about christo, he's a paper tiger, won't ever build or show anything.
 This is something someone in bw posted; "James looks possible if a innertube approach was used on the outside of the wheel, all you would need to do is squeeze ".
 That is the basic idea.
 What Chris doesn't understand and why he's not building anything is it does take time to do a credible job to demonstrate someone else's work. he's got an axe to grind and I think it's with the world at large.
 As I posted in bw, to demonstarte that bessler could have done as he claimed does make it necessary to build using similar materials to what he had available. This means that no platic can be used or other modern materials.
 Here's a link to the thread Chris has refered to. It has a simple outline that wouldn't be to difficult for an experianced wood worker to build.
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=101516
 @Chris, why don't you post your idea ? Then you would have somehting to be on about.
 
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I will not bore anyone with what I'm thinking...I will SHOW the world what I am THINKING !  Where everyone else ( except for Bessler ) has failed I will succeed and we will see who has made a career out of failure and leading others into nothing . I will gladly publish the reasons Bessler attributed his success to God ( and not just simple mechanics or himself ). You will be able to either build or purchase this device . I still have not built anything but my understanding of the device is complete ... and I have most of the materials right here at home .

P.S. I'm just adding this for S&G . Because regardless of the giant brains over at BW forum , I being considered a newb and a troll myself will prove them all to be of inferior insight and/or intellect and in due time (less than ten years!) .
Kaine aka tasier79 @ BW forum wrote to johnny874 :
Dear troll
 
 Although you believe you have some personal gift and understanding of Besslers wheel, let me assure you that you do not. Although your infantile attempts at solving this problem are expected from a beginner, most  beginners wouldn't be delusional enough to believe that they alone have a unique understanding of gravity that defies the laws of physics.
 Whatever your personal grievances you believe you have with certain well respected members of this forum exist only in your head. You are your own worst enemy.
 Seek help
 Yours Sincerely
 Kaine

Me again: This is a typical  "holier than thou and I'm a good judge " attitude expressed in various ways by nearly everyone on that forum . What they really hope for ( in their stale and desperate souls ) is that some newb WILL (because they are fresh out of ideas)  come along and out of a need to fit in will dump the simple and ingenious design ( or at least some semblance of it ) into their laps . I really would much rather sleep with dogs and fleas than try to fit in with that group of guys . I encourage anyone to not even try , all of the top slots are taken by the most anal retentive persons one could imagine .

  Christo,
 If you notice, I didn't engage him any more than necessary. I think also where I showed Bessler's Apologia Poetica does describe different things in what I am pursuing, I have their attention. Unlike you, I have stated my case if that is what you would want to call it.
 Your rants would do nothing but discredit Bessler and alternative energy.
 
 @All, if you read some of the thread I posted a link to, you will see where i have referenced the Apologia Poetica and how it describes certain aspects of the design I have been working on. And as I posted, to demonstarte that bessler's claims are credible, I would need to do a period build which will take more time than if I were just trying to prove a point.
 
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Whatever you say ...'sall good . :P

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Your rants would do nothing but discredit Bessler and alternative energy.
We'll see about that . Maybe Tasier79 was right about you . You think you have great and superior ideas . You think that you are a hero . You think you can trash talk everyone and promote your own ideas . Build something hero , then run your pie hole .

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We'll see about that . Maybe Tasier79 was right about you . You think you have great and superior ideas . You think that you are a hero . You think you can trash talk everyone and promote your own ideas . Build something hero , then run your pie hole .

   Christo,
 here's a link to what I think is a very good idea. unfortunately you know I can't do anything until after I have surgery and have returned to work.
 This idea came about when mscoffman posted a link to fundy.ca in a thread where I was discussing tidal generators.
 See what happens when people take the time to discuss things ? Of course, with you, you are much like Alan.
 @All, pg. 4, dated Tue. Jul 17th by james_arne. it's a very workable idea where buoyancy is used. This emans that the generator would not be dependenant on the tide and could deliver consistent power.
 
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http://besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5289&start=45
 
@ Christo, lmao  ;D
 

 

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