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Title: Patent from 1920 that look's like "coler stromerzeuger"
Post by: FreeZor on June 26, 2012, 12:28:37 PM
Hello Overunity friends!

In the last month's, I did som research in the net and I have found a patent from "Robert Norrby" that looks like the "coler Stromerzeuger".

Does anyone have a idea how this application might work?
Some guys say that this could be an "MagAmp", but I think this construction is to similar to the "stromerzeuger"!
It could be a "missing link" to it.

Thanks in advance for your interest and help  :D
Title: Re: Patent from 1920 that look's like "coler stromerzeuger"
Post by: truesearch on June 27, 2012, 05:07:56 PM
@FreeZor:

That old "color stromerzeuger" is an interesting design to me. I remember some years ago someone attempted to replicate the original design without success.

If you do any experimenting on this please keep us posted here. I'd enjoy seeing photos of a build and then test results.

truesearch
Title: Re: Patent from 1920 that look's like "coler stromerzeuger"
Post by: leo48 on June 27, 2012, 06:02:36 PM
This is a page on the subject
http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/Coler%20Magnetstromapparat.htm (http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/Coler%20Magnetstromapparat.htm)

Leo48
Title: Re: Patent from 1920 that look's like "coler stromerzeuger"
Post by: Groundloop on June 27, 2012, 08:26:27 PM
http://www.overunity.com/6646/captain-hans-coler-kohler-magnetstromapparat-magnet-power-apparatus/

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Title: Re: Patent from 1920 that look's like "coler stromerzeuger"
Post by: FreeZor on June 28, 2012, 09:47:19 AM
@ truesearch!

Yes, I'll build this application!

But first, I need more information about this old technic and must study some books about magnetic amplifiers and ald magnetic materials!

In addition, I need information about the theory that the electrons are not only negative particles but also the south magnetic pole.

I've read Ed Leddskalnins "Magnetic current" about this problem but this is "to hight" to me :-)

But some things are fixed for me:
- The magnets must from high carbon steel or high cobalt steel
- The wire of the spools must be from copper (silver plated copper wire) with thick insulation of cotton, silk or maybe from teflon.

If someone has an idea about the windings on the magnet cores, please tell.

FreeZor
Title: Re: Patent from 1920 that look's like "coler stromerzeuger"
Post by: MasterPlaster on June 28, 2012, 10:22:30 AM
As a result of your comment something just sparked in my head the real reason for the Coller device working might be related
to FE56:

http://www.overunity.com/4333/meyer-mace-isotopic-nmr-generator/


Title: Re: Patent from 1920 that look's like "coler stromerzeuger"
Post by: FreeZor on June 28, 2012, 12:42:11 PM
@ MasterPlaster

Hmmm. this device sounds very interesting ??? it could be a declaration for many devices that are constructed similar.
Hans coler means that the resonant frequence of ferromagnetism is 180kHz, thats very near to the frequnce of the Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator with circa 173kHz.

Thanks for this food for thought, maybe this will bring us forward  ::)
I'll read some articles about this device :)

I think that could help me for the replication of this patent  ;D

Regards,
FreeZor
Title: Re: Patent from 1920 that look's like "coler stromerzeuger"
Post by: zuvrick on January 19, 2013, 05:55:19 AM
You should also look into comments by the late Dr Harold Aspden at http://haroldaspden.com/lectures/07.htm (http://haroldaspden.com/lectures/07.htm). Aspden was one of the proponents of aether energy, explaining a lot of things. In the Coler devices the factthat the magnets are part of the current path is important, something few other OU devices every use.
Title: Re: Patent from 1920 that look's like "coler stromerzeuger"
Post by: wings on January 19, 2013, 09:42:58 AM
You should also look into comments by the late Dr Harold Aspden at http://haroldaspden.com/lectures/07.htm (http://haroldaspden.com/lectures/07.htm). Aspden was one of the proponents of aether energy, explaining a lot of things. In the Coler devices the factthat the magnets are part of the current path is important, something few other OU devices every use.
Nature says to the iron:

"When you cool below that temperature, you may find it more relaxing to become internally magnetized by adopting a state of lower energy potential.

You will find you can shed even more heat energy by adopting that state and I promise that I shall keep active in regulating your state of energy potential so long as your temperature remains below that Curie threshold.

However, should you let yourself get too hot then you will lose your magnetism and I shall take my energy back from you as you cross that threshold.

My message, therefore, is that the onset of the magnetic state occurs because I, Mother Nature, let you have some of my energy, which I know you will dissipate as heat, but, conversely, should you contrive to lose your state of magnetism, then you will pay the price and I will take that energy back from you.

You will then be obliged to find a way of sucking that energy from the material environment around you."
Title: Re: Patent from 1920 that look's like "coler stromerzeuger"
Post by: fiditti on September 28, 2013, 03:46:07 AM
There is some great new information that has surfaced recently regarding the stromerzeuger Device.  We now know the configuration of the device.  It is not a non complex device to replicate, but we now have enough information for replication of the device.  Please download a pdf file of the new information at the following link:
http://chavascience.com/papers/the-coler-devices (http://chavascience.com/papers/the-coler-devices)

The patent application, GB000000159487A, shown previously is extremely important since it is the only place where we are actually provided with drawings of the three separate circuits for the plates, coils, & bobbins.  The diagrams are helpful too but even with out them we have enough information from other sources to replicate the device.

Enjoy!!!
Title: Re: Patent from 1920 that look's like "coler stromerzeuger"
Post by: fiditti on September 29, 2013, 04:27:48 AM
FreeZor,

If you are really interested in building a prototype of the Stromerzeuger device please contact me, fiditti@gmail.com and we can compare notes.  It's very impressive that you were able to find the Robert Norrby patent application, which is in fact the patent application for the real Stromerzeuger device which was invented by Willi von Unruh and not Hans Coler or Robert Norrby.  I also want to build a working prototype of the Stromerzeuger device but initially to a much smaller scale than the original.  Once I have a working proof of concept I can make any size S machine that I like.

MI5 of the British Secret Services has had a working S machine since at least 1995 and most likely a good while before that.  The device was manufactured for military purposes by the British and therefore suppressed from the public and that is why that until now there just wasn't any factual information available on the device. 

Regards,
Fiditti
Title: Re: Patent from 1920 that look's like "coler stromerzeuger"
Post by: MasterPlaster on September 29, 2013, 12:14:12 PM
I had a quick look at the document and the word Armco iron caught my eye. Read this:

http://www.aksteel.eu/en/1-products/0-ingot-iron/

Title: Re: Patent from 1920 that look's like "coler stromerzeuger"
Post by: fiditti on September 29, 2013, 04:15:00 PM
Yes, very interesting!  Thanks MasterPlaster.
Title: Re: Patent from 1920 that look's like "coler stromerzeuger"
Post by: fiditti on September 29, 2013, 09:35:44 PM

Check this out, a recent German replication of S machine for proof of concept purposes:

http://www.energiederzukunft.org/forum/5-allgemeines-forum/285-hans-coler?start=78
Title: Re: Patent from 1920 that look's like "coler stromerzeuger"
Post by: TechStuf on September 30, 2013, 12:07:37 AM
 
Now, imagine one made of graphene:
 
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130612093539.htm (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130612093539.htm)
 
Only with a million layers in the thickness of a finger nail.
 
What next?  Transparent aluminum?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSmGjB-G6v8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSmGjB-G6v8)
 
Oh yeah, it's been done.
 
http://dornob.com/transparent-aluminum-glass-like-see-through-metal/ (http://dornob.com/transparent-aluminum-glass-like-see-through-metal/)
 
And the clunky tablet computers of star trek?  Much thinner now.
 
Scientific developments are far out pacing our ability to be surprised by them.  And they are being gobbled up so fast by the military industrial complex that many remain unheard of......
 
Ever see the movie, "Elysium"?
 
 
Hmmmm
 
 
 
TS
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Patent from 1920 that look's like "coler stromerzeuger"
Post by: fiditti on September 30, 2013, 01:28:30 PM
I personally think we need to stay with the original materials until we get some working prototypes.  It has been my experience that substitutions rarely work that well and then folks get frustrated and quit their experiments due to lack of success.
Title: Re: Patent from 1920 that look's like "coler stromerzeuger"
Post by: TechStuf on September 30, 2013, 09:03:13 PM
 
Oh, me too.....just excited about graphene.  And who among us has time and equipment to lay down even a fingernail's worth of the stuff?
 
Just the fact that it can manipulate magnetic fields while maintaining the highest charge density ever discovered shows it's promise, for the intrepid among us.
 
 
TS
Title: Re: Patent from 1920 that look's like "coler stromerzeuger"
Post by: fiditti on September 30, 2013, 09:46:29 PM
Yes, I have heard good things about graphene too. 

Nice to hear from you.
Title: Re: Patent from 1920 that look's like "coler stromerzeuger"
Post by: fiditti on October 01, 2013, 08:26:04 PM
This German replicator of the Stromerzeuger has some very good information to share with regard to his experiment on the Stromerzeuger device.

http://www.energiederzukunft.org/forum/4-expertenforum/472-nachbau-patent-robert-norrby
Title: Re: Patent from 1920 that look's like "coler stromerzeuger"
Post by: fiditti on October 25, 2013, 12:26:34 PM
Wow, with all this new information available on how to actually replicate the Coler Stromerzeurger device, I can't believe this thread stayed dead.  What a pitty.  Oh well.
Title: Re: Patent from 1920 that look's like "coler stromerzeuger"
Post by: lancaIV on October 26, 2013, 08:06:27 PM
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Title: Re: Patent from 1920 that look's like "coler stromerzeuger"
Post by: lancaIV on October 26, 2013, 08:17:29 PM

Resin to plastics and this formed to a comb.
This comb throu(gh) a.dry b.wet hair :effect ? Voltage


Biological carbon/graphit cell/-ular/-ulosic textile : Hostalen Cellophan ~ graphene

Walking with plastic shoe-soles on a plastic carpet and then touching a metall piece or an human body-part( f.e. ear  :o ;) 8) ): what happens ?
                                                                                Burst/Up-/down-loading
                                                                                Coulomb-forces

analog: http://amasci.com/emotor/emotor.html (http://amasci.com/emotor/emotor.html)

Aluminium: Skin-effect
http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/electromagnetic.pdf (http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/electromagnetic.pdf)

Proof of the Available But Neglected Heaviside Energy Flow Component
To prove the ubiquitous existence of the Heaviside energy flow component, and to
demonstrate that it can easily be tapped, one can refer to Bohren's [32] demonstration that a
resonant particle collects and emits up to 18 times as much energy as is input to it by
conventional accounting (that is, in the Poynting component of the true energy input).
Resonant particle absorption and emission is a COP > 1.0 process already proven and
standard in the literature for decades; e.g., see the pioneering work by Letokhov [15]. The
effect reported by Bohren was confirmed and verified, e.g., by Paul and Fischer [33].
Bohren, Paul, Fischer, and other electrodynamicists are unaware that their energy input
actually included the huge unaccounted Heaviside energy flow component as well as the
accounted Poynting flow defined by reaction with a static unit point charge.
The reason for the COP > 1.0 in this process is that the resonant particle sweeps out a
greater geometrical reaction cross section in the total energy flow than is included in
Poynting's theory for a standard static particle's interception. In short, it proves that the
neglected Heaviside component is present and can be readily intercepted to obtain real
expendable energy. We did a back-of-the-envelope calculation for the relative magnitude in
a simple DC circuit of the Heaviside component compared to the Poynting component. The
neglected Heaviside component for a nominal simple circuit was on the order of 1013 times as
great in magnitude as the feeble Poynting component. A more exact calculation would be
welcomed, but we could not locate such a calculation in the literature [34]




http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19281115&CC=GB&NR=300311A&KC=A (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19281115&CC=GB&NR=300311A&KC=A)


How and much/many in-/de-creasing Voltage ?
How and much/many in-/de-creasing Ampére ?
How and much/many in-/de-creasing Ohms ?


http://amasci.com/miscon/elect.html (http://amasci.com/miscon/elect.html)