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Title: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: thankGod on June 26, 2012, 05:57:43 AM
All respected members i am going to use chas cambell flywheel energy generator to use in a a big energy system basically i am going to replace the starting motor to 2HP and flywheel to about 100KG and i am thinking to attach a 15HP alternator at the end of this system i need your honest advice to make this system and all the suggestions you have please provide me that my idea is ok and where i need to make changing to make system successful?i will be very thankful to everyone :)
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: truesearch on June 26, 2012, 05:02:15 PM
I would like to be proven incorrect on this but I don't believe that your configuration will achieve "overunity".

1) Belt/Pulley loss: the energy-transfer in the diagram uses 3 belt/pulley pairs. This is a fairly high efficiency way of transferring energy but at best it is 98% (average about 95%) so there would be measurable "loss" across those three sections (link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_%28mechanical%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_%28mechanical%29)).

2) Generator loss: guessing from the size of your diagram that you would possibly use a vehicle "alternator" type of generator (which generates AC before it is rectified into DC for the automobile use). The best efficiency for an alternator is about 80%. However, 60% is more "normal" (link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_generator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_generator)).

3) Time: It will take "time" (and electricity) for the 2hp 1,430 rpm motor to "spin-up" and get the 10Kg flywheel upto speed. At that point you would have "stored" energy in the moving flywheel which can be extracted by the AC generator. The generator will "slow down" this flywheel by using the stored energy to generate power.

I like the idea you have presented but would believe that it will "net" less energy "out" that what is put "in".

sincerely,
truesearch
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: FatBird on June 26, 2012, 05:19:28 PM
Smart Idea.  Yes, from all of my research, I think it will work.
 
1.  I recommend that you use weightlifter weights because the center hole is very precise for good flywheel balance.
     Plus, they are available in all kinds of sizes & weights.
2.  Use a pipe size that fits snugly in the weight center hole, to minimize run-out.
3.  Consider using good ball bearings or roller bearings.  Ebay has excellent low prices.
     Just do an Ebay.com search for Ball Bearings to see what I mean.
4.  Do a web search for  Charles Campbell Free Energy  to get some additional ideas.
5.  Try to ignore Paid TROLLS, that will repeatedly post negative posts & tell you it won't work.
 
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Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: e2matrix on June 26, 2012, 06:39:42 PM
There is a discussion on energeticforum.com going on right now about a device that I believe uses a similar principle.  It has some of the brightest members over there talking about it as the inventor has been given some awards and while the device initially seems to defy logic (as to how it could be COP > 1) it now has some possible explanations by the sharper minds on that thread.  Here:   http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11282-awarded-machine-multiply-force-motor-free-energy.html

So yes I think this device from Chas has potential and always did believe there was something to it despite the negative PR some have given it.  I think it will take some work to get it tuned just right so I would suggest patience is needed in a build like this.  Best of luck.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: crazycut06 on June 27, 2012, 02:04:21 AM
Why not build his original setup first before trying to up size...

Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: thankGod on June 27, 2012, 08:37:54 AM
Thanks for every one who directed me to in this matter.

@TrueSearch
Your points are correct and the first that pulley belt loss is less in my system because i only need 1500 RPM at final pulley to run the alternator because my alternator is 1500 rpm alternator so i don't need to place much pulleys and belts between the system to produce much rpm.so it will decrease the energy loss between the pulleys. And there is also a person named jim watson who powered this kind of generation which gained 12kw output after powering itself.

@fatbird
Thanks for your ideas they are really helpful i will try most to achieve benefit from your ideas.And as i am new on this website i dont understand your statement about "PAID TROLLS" and i dont know who they are..

@e2matrix
Same what i am thinking and thanks for good references.And that what i am really focusing on to achieve the final result with patience and accuracy in project by focusing and polishing the concept.

@crazyout
Well that is already proven working so we should try to extend it and increase its capability which is i think possible and after that this system could be used for more power need and jim watson is a example of this concept.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: bugler on June 27, 2012, 08:43:33 AM
The Chas Cambell flywheel is not an energy generator at all.


The wheel is no more than a mechanical capacitor. It stores the energy coming from the engine.(Rotational energy: E = 1/2 I W^2 where, w is the Angular velocity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_velocity),I is the moment of inertia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_of_inertia) around the axis of rotation.E is the kinetic energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_energy).)[/size]


Once the energy is accumulated it can be used back, for instance to run an alternator until its energy has been exhausted and finally the wheel will stop.


No overunity, free energy or similar in this "invention".


But I understand that until you become a mechanical engineer it is extremely difficult to know what is really going on with kind of devices. I have studied mechanical engineering for this very reason (I read the project in two weeks) and now I am very skeptical about free energy by mechanical means.
Maybe by electrical (Tesla) or chemical (HHO)means might be possible.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: e2matrix on June 28, 2012, 03:38:05 AM
bugler,  Please look in on the message thread here:     http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11282-awarded-machine-multiply-force-motor-free-energy.html
If you know most of the people discussing it there as well as I do you know there are some brilliant minds discussing how this is possible.  While it is not the same thing it is similar.   I'm not saying I know one way or the other but the fact that it is even being discussed and good theories postulated by some there tells me this requires more than just a quick look. 
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: bugler on June 28, 2012, 10:44:51 PM
I got banned at energeticforum cause I exposed the jewish criminal network behind 911, 7/7, etc. That site is jewish territory.


I think that the wheel is easy enough to replicate so if there were really some merit to the idea we would already know.
I am not saying it is impossible but I really doubt it will ever work.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: e2matrix on June 29, 2012, 07:22:33 PM
I think you can still read messages there can't you?  If not and you are interested in what's going on I'll download the pages in a format you can read.   Michael John Nunnerly had some good ideas how it worked.   Other names I know you would recognize were talking about it.  What seems even more amazing about that invention is the inventor is a blind person.  Many people with sight loss develop extraordinary abilities in other areas.  I think it may be worth checking this out.  Here is a post from another place about it:  http://www.deltaworld.org/international/A-Peruvian-blind-creates-a-system-capable-of-move-a-boat-with-the-engine-of-a-car/
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: bugler on June 30, 2012, 05:23:23 PM
Hi.


But this thread is about the Chas Cambel wheel and not the peruvian inventor. Isn't it?


We have the details abuot the wheel but not really much about what the peruvian guy has done. Let's see if we have access to more details ot judge what is all about.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Thing on July 04, 2012, 05:09:16 PM
Use bicykel chain
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Rafael Ti on July 05, 2012, 06:05:42 PM
The Chas Cambell flywheel is not an energy generator at all.
The wheel is no more than a mechanical capacitor. It stores the energy coming from the engine.
Yes.. it is at least a big mechanical capacitor unless it gives out some extra energy  ;)
Do you guys remember problems people experience with batteries when trying to store some energy? Batteries are big and expensive, unfriendly to environment, they wear out quickly. One can get a big 1000 kg flywheel and use to store energy coming from windmill or solar panels. It is easy to "charge" a wheel speeding it up when we have access to energy and then reuse it's inertia when there is no wind or sun.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: bugler on July 05, 2012, 10:05:50 PM
It is easy to "charge" a wheel speeding it up when we have access to energy and then reuse it's inertia when there is no wind or sun.
Wheels are bad batteries. Friction will stop them in a few seconds.


They are used in rotational machines to absorb energy in a part of the cycle, whe the axis is receiving energy, and give it back in another part of the cycle, when the  axis is not receiving energy. The goal is to keep the rotational speed as constant as possible as if it were receiving energy during the whole cycle.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: wattsup on July 06, 2012, 03:30:04 AM
@thankGod

I had done some alternative drawings for that wheel in 2007. Located here;
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Overunity.com%20-%20Forum%20members/chas%20champbell/
click on flywheel2.jpg.

In the original Chas set-up he has a pulley wheel before the flywheel, but after the flywheel he is going directly to the generator wheel. That in my view is not to good. See the alternatives. The Alt#2  - 3,6,9 for me is the best. The rpm counts may not be correct.

Using a car alternator is not a good idea in my view. They are beasts to turns when they start to produce output. It is not a wonder why they use them only in cars that have ample horsepower. Also, in a car the output is not 100% taxed because it is only topping off the battery losses. You are better off using a larger generator at least double the capacity of what you are planning to consume on your prime mover. This way the generator does not have to run at 100% load to provide enough output to match your input.

Also, make sure your flywheel is well balanced by a professional set-up where they put the flywheel on a turning system and digitally measure where the flywheel is off balance. Some metal shops may offer a wheel balancing service.

Lastly, consider putting bearing supports on both sides of your pulley wheels and also on the motor and generator shaft as well to prevent any warping action on the motor bearings, especially during start and stop.

Hope this helps.

wattsup

Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Rafael Ti on July 07, 2012, 12:20:11 PM
Wheels are bad batteries. Friction will stop them in a few seconds.
A well tuned good quality bicycle wheel can free-spin for 20 minutes or more and it weights only 1kg. So... could 1000kg wheel spin for 20.000 minutes?
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
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Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
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Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Paul-R on October 16, 2013, 05:29:31 PM

1) Belt/Pulley loss: the energy-transfer in the diagram uses 3 belt/pulley pairs. This is a fairly high efficiency way of transferring energy
You, and others, are missing the point. The belt needs to have slack in it, and as a result, it jerks and snaps its way around. It is these bangs in the system which have an effect, the nature of which i do not know.

(Remember having to untighten a nut which is too tight? Get a spanner on it and it will not come off. Hit the spanner repeatedly with crisp blows from a hammer, and the nut may quietly drift off).
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: soltek on January 04, 2014, 12:07:49 PM
This system works by replacing AC gen with DC 12 volt alt from a car that 80amps then connect it to pure sinewave inverter say 4000 watts you can run a few of these then connect inverter back to ac motor to keep this system running (( For EVER ))) please use 100kg flywheel
this creates free energy
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: No clue 25 on January 07, 2014, 06:19:35 AM
So I'm new to this site but have been looking through your guys info for awhile.  Please don't hate me if I posted this in the wrong spot.  I am trying to design a generator based mostly off of the chas campbell flywheel designs floating around on google.  I have a couple questions.

So far the parts I have gether end from my local scrapyard are a 95vdc treadmill motor for either the drive or as the generator. Also found two 35lb exercise bike flywheels I was hoping to turn at 1500-2000rpm but idk the rpm rating for them.  Also thought about using any flywheel from a car engine and spin it up around 4000rpm. Just an idea or maybe run them together in a gearing system. Open to ideas.  I have also gotten flange bearings and a good supply of pillow blocks at the scrapyard.

My ideas to finish the project are to use a 4-5hp treadmill motor for the generator side or maybe a few of the 2.5hp ones together on a sepentine belt. 
My questions are does this sound good enough to run 3-4kw system for a house or shop?
I have seen servo and stepper motors generating power on a small scale windmill.  Can a big version be a better generator?
If I turn the generator side at full rpm what power levels can I expect?
Would a cloths washing mashane motor be a good option as a generator or a few linked on the same shaft?

I consider myself decent with mechanical things and don't claim to be good in understanding electricity but I have a basic understanding  so any help is greatly aprecciated thanks.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Marsing on January 08, 2014, 12:55:15 PM
This system works by replacing AC gen with DC 12 volt alt from a car that 80amps then connect it to pure sinewave inverter say 4000 watts you can run a few of these then connect inverter back to ac motor to keep this system running (( For EVER ))) please use 100kg flywheel
this creates free energy

really ?
video / pict , please
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: tinman on January 09, 2014, 03:00:58 PM

My ideas to finish the project are to use a 4-5hp treadmill motor for the generator side or maybe a few of the 2.5hp ones together on a sepentine belt. 
My questions are does this sound good enough to run 3-4kw system for a house or shop?


4hp is nearly 3kw's,but remember,this is power output,not consumption.A 3kw(4hp)motor would use nearly 3.8kw's of input power(depending on motor efficiency)under full load.This is the 3 to 4kw's you are looking for to power your shop or home. So you have to ask yourself-why would i want to add pully's,belt's bearing's,and large rotating masses???.

Flywheel's are only an energy storage device-much like a cap or battery.And like a cap and battery,you get back less than what you put in,due to friction of bearings and wind resistance.

The Chas Camble setup uses a small motor to build up energy within a flywheel over a period of time.But the energy it can give back is always less that what was put into it in the first place.There are so many losses in that system,it's not funny-belts=loss, bearings=loss, generator=loss. Chas has tricked himself,along with many others.You will use far less power by simply running your shop or home off the grid.

If you want to spend money on free energy device's,then the best true free energy device out there(a device where you dont have to pay for the power produced)is the humble solar panel.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: LibreEnergia on January 09, 2014, 11:25:59 PM
This system works by replacing AC gen with DC 12 volt alt from a car that 80amps then connect it to pure sinewave inverter say 4000 watts you can run a few of these then connect inverter back to ac motor to keep this system running (( For EVER ))) please use 100kg flywheel
this creates free energy

The lack of understanding of even the most basic principles of mechanical energy in this statement it astounding to me.

There is no way this device can ever generate energy.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: markdansie on January 10, 2014, 10:17:19 AM
This system works by replacing AC gen with DC 12 volt alt from a car that 80amps then connect it to pure sinewave inverter say 4000 watts you can run a few of these then connect inverter back to ac motor to keep this system running (( For EVER ))) please use 100kg flywheel
this creates free energy
Is April Fools early this year

Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: No clue 25 on January 10, 2014, 05:54:33 PM
Thank you for the reply.  I appreciate your opinion.    I have also been very puzzled by how he has gotten by with all the friction built up in all the pulleys and belts in between all those wheels but I figured he nulled it out with all that rotatiating mass at different speeds.  There is a replica on YouTube and the guy used 750watt Motor to generate 2350watts I think.  That sounds pretty good gain to me.  Is there maybe a better generator design out there to generate power(servo, stepper, or alternators).  I think friction could also but cut down using oils instead of grease for bearing and aren't sepentine systems more effecient( I could be totally wrong).   I was thinking of using capacitors as a battery instead of the flywheel but they scare the shit out of me so I'm sticking with mechanical system I think.  Anyway thanks  I really appreciate any input.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: No clue 25 on January 10, 2014, 05:57:10 PM
I have also read that pulsing a dc motor will greatly improve its efficiency and I can c how but has anybody had success doing it.  I haven't seen it yet.   Thanks
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: ingyenenergiagep on January 10, 2014, 09:33:43 PM
Average electric motor efficiency is about 80%.
Belt drive: 10% wasted energy.
Average generator: 80%
Total efficiency: 0,8 x 0,9 x 0,8=0,576. Very low.
We must use "overunity" motor and generator without transmission losses(gravitational force, magnet repel force, forms of resonance, resonace ferquency, etc.) .

I think the Chas Campbell device get overunity from AC resonace, if the system is on perfect resonance, RPM-s.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: tinman on January 11, 2014, 12:37:03 AM
There is a discussion on energeticforum.com going on right now about a device that I believe uses a similar principle.  It has some of the brightest members over there talking about it as the inventor has been given some awards and while the device initially seems to defy logic (as to how it could be COP > 1) it now has some possible explanations by the sharper minds on that thread.  Here:   http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11282-awarded-machine-multiply-force-motor-free-energy.html

So yes I think this device from Chas has potential and always did believe there was something to it despite the negative PR some have given it.  I think it will take some work to get it tuned just right so I would suggest patience is needed in a build like this.  Best of luck.

Lets have a look at what these bright members have to say.
!!Quote from the guru him self(Aaron)-There is no such thing as conservation of energy.
Second, you say power is rate of energy in time but it is not. Power is energy dissipated divided by time so you take the time out of it to see what the power is. If you have 1 watt second or 1 joule over 1 second, that is the real energy dissipated. If you take 1 watt second and divide it by 1 second, you have 1 watt. 1 watt by itself is POWER - there is no time in a power reading so your statement that power is energy in time is incorrect.

Yes, energy and not just power CAN be multiplied by using environmental input (gravity for example) as a source of potential that can do work on each successive cycle. The free input from the environment delays the time the system comes into equilibrium so that the amount of ENERGY dissipated by our own input is MULTIPLIED bit by bit by bit. !!

Lol-what chance do they have lol.
There is one bright member over there on the case though.

!!Quote FarmHand: That's not multiplying the energy, that is just adding more. If you enable the
environment to input energy to your device then that input energy is a result
of your actions and therefore it's your input, just like with a solar panel. It's
all just word soup. But the reality is.
An amount of energy in itself cannot be increased or multiplied.
If you want more energy then you need to make more energy available.!!

Good to see on bright mind on the job anyway.


Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: tinman on January 11, 2014, 12:43:38 AM
bugler,  Please look in on the message thread here:     http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11282-awarded-machine-multiply-force-motor-free-energy.html
If you know most of the people discussing it there as well as I do you know there are some brilliant minds discussing how this is possible.  While it is not the same thing it is similar.   I'm not saying I know one way or the other but the fact that it is even being discussed and good theories postulated by some there tells me this requires more than just a quick look.

What that guy has made,is a heavy duty paint shaker-nothing more.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: tinman on January 11, 2014, 12:52:45 AM
I have also read that pulsing a dc motor will greatly improve its efficiency and I can c how but has anybody had success doing it.  I haven't seen it yet.   Thanks

Pulsing a DC motor will NOT increase it's electrical P/in to mechanical P/out ratio.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: markdansie on January 11, 2014, 01:01:51 AM
Pulsing a DC motor will NOT increase it's electrical P/in to mechanical P/out ratio.


It is the biggest cause of mis-measurement I have found out there to those who believe they can
Mark
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Marsing on January 11, 2014, 03:04:39 PM
Quote
Pulsing a DC motor will NOT increase it's electrical P/in to mechanical P/out ratio.
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Quote
It is the biggest cause of mis-measurement I have found out there to those who believe they can
Mark


hi..   markdansie & tinman

this is about pulse DC.  both of you must be familiar with pict bellow, what do you think?
sorry, i am out of topic.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Paul-R on January 11, 2014, 04:05:17 PM
I have also read that pulsing a dc motor will greatly improve its efficiency
This is part of the story and not the whole thing.

Bedini is full of pulsing, as is Bob Boyce's water fracturing technology. Chas Campbell has mechanical pulsing. Pulsing is all over the place but be mindful of a need to maximise through resonance where appropriate.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: No clue 25 on January 11, 2014, 05:12:34 PM
So has anybody thought of using a servo or stepper motor to generate with.  It seems to me like there is not much confidence in the chas campbell design even with several replicas on YouTube supposedly producing power.  Is the key to the system matching the rpm of the two motors or could you have different wheels at different rpm and use them to take the shock of large loads and maybe use one way clutch so if they slow down to much it will cut the generator side and recharge the wheels again?
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: TinselKoala on January 11, 2014, 10:26:19 PM
Don't get all confused about pulsing. There are classical "pulse motors" which work by sending a pulse of power to a rotor, with the pulse being timed to the rotor position somehow; these motors are usually not particularly efficient but they are loads of fun to play with. Examples are the Bedini-type motors and the MHOP motor, Steorn's eOrbo, and so on. These motor drivers usually operate at relatively low frequencies with fixed pulse width (duty cycle) and the frequency is directly related to rotor speed.

Then there is PWM, pulse width modulation, which is in fact an efficient way to control the speed and output power of ordinary DC brushed motors, without regard for rotor position. These drivers operate at higher frequencies and with variable duty cycle (pulse width) and the frequency is more or less independent of rotor speed. A variation of the basic PWM scheme, usually with rotor position sensing, is used to drive brushless DC motors, which are often 3-phase and are quite efficient as far as motors and drivers go.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: HH on January 11, 2014, 11:30:26 PM
Pulsing brushed dc motor was done before. That's why we have brush-less motors today. They are much more efficient.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: HH on January 11, 2014, 11:43:27 PM
off topic post to all :)
Happy new year!
We're aiming the same goal.
The problem is the lack of knowledge and reinventing of the wheel.
Study as much as you can and use your open mind.
We will get freedom someday :)

 
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Liberty on January 11, 2014, 11:45:37 PM
Pulsing brushed dc motor was done before. That's why we have brush-less motors today. They are much more efficient.

However, both types of motors are incapable of exceeding 100% efficiency.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: HH on January 11, 2014, 11:52:56 PM
Nothing is so far.
What about pulsing brushless motor with high voltage?
Will try that soon.
Cheers
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: tinman on January 12, 2014, 01:57:15 AM
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hi..   markdansie & tinman

this is about pulse DC.  both of you must be familiar with pict bellow, what do you think?
sorry, i am out of topic.

I think they are a fun project,and can be useful in that they do have the ability to desulphate LAB's-but slowly. Anyone that has built a pulse motor has achieved something,along with learning as they go. But it should have been left at that,but along with it came the faulse claims of self runners and OU machine's-all in the name of making some cash. Most of the ring leaders can be found at EF that peddle there rubbish in the form of books and DVD's, in order to make some cash. This is why i abandoned that forum,while this forum seems to remain on the straight and narrow.

Every DC motor(bar 2 that i know of)use pulses to run.Some are pulsed via mosfet's,transistors,reed switches etc,while others use brushes to pulse each segment of the rotor. The only motors i know that are pure/straight DC are  the bearing motor,and the homopolar motor. but these consume a lot of current,produce a lot of heat,and are very weak as far as mechanical output go's.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Marsing on January 12, 2014, 02:59:28 AM

as a whole, bedini motor is  chas cambel  flywheel with compact design, ( my opinion).

@HH
everyone  have different piece of knowledge and different view of point, the lack is how to understand  other.

@tinman   ;)
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: markdansie on January 12, 2014, 12:16:15 PM
...

hi..   markdansie & tinman

this is about pulse DC.  both of you must be familiar with pict bellow, what do you think?
sorry, i am out of topic.


Building pulse motors are loads of fun as can be seen by the recent pulse motor build of competition. They are great for educational purposes and often inspire all sorts of fun designs and applications. As far as ever achieving overunity, well that is about as likely as Rosemary Ainslie getting a noble prize for scientific procedures and ethics. It may never happen, but the lessons learned and knowledge applied my be the building block of another project.


Tinman's reply is far more accurate, I just wanted to add my tens cents worth as requested
Mark
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Liberty on January 12, 2014, 06:18:05 PM

Building pulse motors are loads of fun as can be seen by the recent pulse motor build of competition. They are great for educational purposes and often inspire all sorts of fun designs and applications. As far as ever achieving overunity, well that is about as likely as Rosemary Ainslie getting a noble prize for scientific procedures and ethics. It may never happen, but the lessons learned and knowledge applied my be the building block of another project.


Tinman's reply is far more accurate, I just wanted to add my tens cents worth as requested
Mark

I would add an exception, that it depends on the design of the pulse motor (in what manner the pulse is used in the design of the motor), as to whether you can achieve OU or not.  An electrical pulse (that is implemented in a special way) is the only way I have known that OU can be achieved through efficiency gains in a specially designed magnet motor. 

Liberty

Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: No clue 25 on January 12, 2014, 07:35:05 PM
How is chas claiming OU if there is none is in his setup?  There are several on YouTube that are powering things that require some real power going to them (drills, saws).  I have done the calculations for kenetic energy stored in the flywheel and it can hold quite a bit.  Also if you consider that if you spin a flywheel that is twice as heavy it only holds twice the energy but if you double the speed of the same wheel it can hold four times the energy.  So how can it not work just because of friction and resistance from the generator side.  With the amount of energy stored in the wheel it would take awhile to slow down that mass even with a large load.  With a small load it would just keep going and if you could apply a large load slowly enough for your motor to recover the speed lost in the wheel cuz of the load, seems to me like it should work.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Grumage on January 12, 2014, 08:17:41 PM
Dear All.

Having spent the best part of last year looking into electronic OU and getting nowhere !! I decided that a change of direction would be a good idea, as I am a better mechanic than an electronic guy !!

As I write I am amassing the parts for a 6.5 Kva alternator based Chas Campbell system.

In my own mind I see a couple of possible areas where OU might become apparent.  In using an AC drive motor with suitable added capacitance to "Mess" with the phase angles ?? Reactive currents.

The other trick, as I see it, is the fact that the "so called" working devices have a very loose coupling between driver and driven !!  ;)  Water wheel??  Remember that one??

And this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6q_l6FpacU  Hydraulic drive !!  ;)

Pulsing?? Simple !! Loose belt and an eccentric roller that is pulled into the belt and tightens it flings it round and does it again and again !! Simples !! However you could just try it with a stick to start with.  :)

Well that's enough for now, I hope I have provided some food for thought??

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: tinman on January 12, 2014, 09:25:24 PM
How is chas claiming OU if there is none is in his setup?  There are several on YouTube that are powering things that require some real power going to them (drills, saws).  I have done the calculations for kenetic energy stored in the flywheel and it can hold quite a bit.  Also if you consider that if you spin a flywheel that is twice as heavy it only holds twice the energy but if you double the speed of the same wheel it can hold four times the energy.  So how can it not work just because of friction and resistance from the generator side.  With the amount of energy stored in the wheel it would take awhile to slow down that mass even with a large load.  With a small load it would just keep going and if you could apply a large load slowly enough for your motor to recover the speed lost in the wheel cuz of the load, seems to me like it should work.

The load drawn from the flywheel can never exceed the power used to keep the flywheel at a constant speed-!equal and opposite reaction.!
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 12, 2014, 09:58:09 PM
The load drawn from the flywheel can never exceed the power used to keep the flywheel at a constant speed-!equal and opposite reaction.!

Exactly right.  Also, consider the power used to spin the flywheel up to speed in the first place.  A lot of folks seem to leave this out of the equation.  All a flywheel does is to store (like a battery) "some" of the power used to spin it up.  There are mechanical losses here so it does not even do that totally well.

Bill
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: penno64 on January 12, 2014, 10:32:23 PM
How does this work ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhwQt1tJYa8

Penno
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: penno64 on January 12, 2014, 10:38:05 PM
ACCA posted in Kapanadze thread, but this pic I think shows exactly a fisher & pykel washing machine motor 14 magnet sets and 42 stator coils -

Now Umbreto is driving with fluid - hydro drive
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: a.king21 on January 13, 2014, 01:20:23 AM
Exactly right.  Also, consider the power used to spin the flywheel up to speed in the first place.  A lot of folks seem to leave this out of the equation.  All a flywheel does is to store (like a battery) "some" of the power used to spin it up.  There are mechanical losses here so it does not even do that totally well.

Bill
So, How many flywheel devices have you built then?
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: No clue 25 on January 13, 2014, 01:28:58 AM
Would it be better to use one or a few washer machine motors like the one above for the generator side.  So how can the chas campbell design not work do to friction if that contraption in that video has huge amounts of friction and it runs itself.   
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 13, 2014, 03:22:28 AM
So, How many flywheel devices have you built then?

Enough to know that you can't change the laws of physics.  Have you built one that uses less energy than you put into it?

Bill
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: a.king21 on January 13, 2014, 06:52:52 AM
Enough to know that you can't change the laws of physics.  Have you built one that uses less energy than you put into it?

Bill


You are the one making the claims. So I say "prove it".
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Marsing on January 13, 2014, 09:49:00 AM
ACCA posted in Kapanadze thread, but this pic I think shows exactly a fisher & pykel washing machine motor 14 magnet sets and 42 stator coils -

Now Umbreto is driving with fluid - hydro drive

any info/link about this ?
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: penno64 on January 13, 2014, 11:10:45 AM
Sure, its on pes.

http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg382462/#msg382462

Regards, Penno
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: bugler on January 13, 2014, 06:52:43 PM
!!Quote from the guru him self(Aaron)-There is no such thing as conservation of energy.
What you consider a guru I consider a clown. He is nothing but a censor.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: wings on January 13, 2014, 08:57:55 PM
another viewpoint:
"This is the mechanical overunity motor of Tarieal Kapanadze Part 1. In the German translation it is said, that it also used gravitation. But I guess it just only uses the inertia of the 2 disc. It is said, that the 2 disc are of steel and brass or maybe each disc a double layer of steel and brass and that these disc are connected via a brass wire, that is isolated from the steel shaft."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY#t=60 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY#t=60)

not two capacitor plates but two rotating mass with a torsional spring that give rotational oscillation of the two disc like the oscillating pendulum the explanation in the middle of this page
http://tarielkapanadze.ru/kelly5-2.htm (http://tarielkapanadze.ru/kelly5-2.htm)

Chas Cambel have large Flywheel System and long transmission chain that give same torsional oscillation effect gap and transmission delay help the oscillation
http://www.overunity.com/12464/using-chas-cambel-flywheel-system-for-15-horsepower/dlattach/attach/112139/image// (http://www.overunity.com/12464/using-chas-cambel-flywheel-system-for-15-horsepower/dlattach/attach/112139/image//)

Raoul Hatem’s heretical statement is that using spinning magnets coupling that probably give rotational oscillation vibration
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Ch2/Fig30.jpg (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Ch2/Fig30.jpg)
from
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt2.html (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt2.html)


http://www.edn.com/design/analog/4368829/Back-EMF-method-detects-stepper-motor-stall
 Universal motor concepts
[size=78%]Back-EMF method detects stepper-motor stall figure 6BEMF is directly proportional to angular velocity, or armature speed, and motor torque is directly proportional to motor current. The following equation clearly illustrates the relationship between angular velocity and BEMF: BEMF=−N×B×A×ω×sin(ωt), where N is the number of coil turns, B represents the magnetic field, A is the area that the motor’s magnetic field encompasses, ω is the angular velocity, and t is time. Notice that N, B, and A are all constants specific to the motor construction. They never change unless some dramatic entropy is going on. At that point, BEMF detection is the least of your concerns. Aside from the sinusoidal nature of the signal, BEMF is directly proportional to motor speed and nothing else.[/size]
[size=78%]The following equation clearly describes the relationship between motor torque and motor current: T=[(PN)/2π)]φI, where T is torque, N is the number of coil turns, P is the number of poles, φ is the flux, and I is the current. Note again that current and torque are directly proportional to each other. Other factors, including voltage and the temperature’s dependence on the resistivity of copper, can increase or decrease the motor current, which in turn affects the total available torque. However, they do not change the torque-to-current relationship.[/size]
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: wings on January 13, 2014, 09:45:34 PM
another viewpoint:
"This is the mechanical overunity motor of Tarieal Kapanadze Part 1. In the German translation it is said, that it also used gravitation. But I guess it just only uses the inertia of the 2 disc. It is said, that the 2 disc are of steel and brass or maybe each disc a double layer of steel and brass and that these disc are connected via a brass wire, that is isolated from the steel shaft."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY#t=60 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY#t=60)

not two capacitor plates but two rotating mass with a torsional spring that give rotational oscillation of the two disc like the oscillating pendulum the explanation in the middle of this page
http://tarielkapanadze.ru/kelly5-2.htm (http://tarielkapanadze.ru/kelly5-2.htm)

Chas Cambel have large Flywheel System and long transmission chain that give same torsional oscillation effect gap and transmission delay help the oscillation
http://www.overunity.com/12464/using-chas-cambel-flywheel-system-for-15-horsepower/dlattach/attach/112139/image// (http://www.overunity.com/12464/using-chas-cambel-flywheel-system-for-15-horsepower/dlattach/attach/112139/image//)

Raoul Hatem’s heretical statement is that using spinning magnets coupling that probably give rotational oscillation vibration
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Ch2/Fig30.jpg (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Ch2/Fig30.jpg)
from
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt2.html (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt2.html)


http://www.edn.com/design/analog/4368829/Back-EMF-method-detects-stepper-motor-stall (http://www.edn.com/design/analog/4368829/Back-EMF-method-detects-stepper-motor-stall)
 Universal motor concepts
[size=78%]Back-EMF method detects stepper-motor stall figure 6BEMF is directly proportional to angular velocity, or armature speed, and motor torque is directly proportional to motor current. The following equation clearly illustrates the relationship between angular velocity and BEMF: BEMF=−N×B×A×ω×sin(ωt), where N is the number of coil turns, B represents the magnetic field, A is the area that the motor’s magnetic field encompasses, ω is the angular velocity, and t is time. Notice that N, B, and A are all constants specific to the motor construction. They never change unless some dramatic entropy is going on. At that point, BEMF detection is the least of your concerns. Aside from the sinusoidal nature of the signal, BEMF is directly proportional to motor speed and nothing else.[/size]
[size=78%]The following equation clearly describes the relationship between motor torque and motor current: T=[(PN)/2π)]φI, where T is torque, N is the number of coil turns, P is the number of poles, φ is the flux, and I is the current. Note again that current and torque are directly proportional to each other. Other factors, including voltage and the temperature’s dependence on the resistivity of copper, can increase or decrease the motor current, which in turn affects the total available torque. However, they do not change the torque-to-current relationship.[/size]

more http://cursos.itcg.edu.mx/libros/Libros%20y%20Manuales%20de%20Ingenieria/Engineering%20Books/Harris__Shock_And_Vibration_Handbook/HARRIS~1.-HA/70811_38.pdf (http://cursos.itcg.edu.mx/libros/Libros%20y%20Manuales%20de%20Ingenieria/Engineering%20Books/Harris__Shock_And_Vibration_Handbook/HARRIS~1.-HA/70811_38.pdf)
http://www.engdyn.com/images/uploads/65-torsional_vibration_analysis_-_jcw&frs.pdf

Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 14, 2014, 03:34:53 AM

You are the one making the claims. So I say "prove it".

I have made no claims.  I am repeating the laws of physics which have been proven over and over again.  If YOU are making a claim that those laws are wrong, then it is YOU that must prove it.  IF you are able to do so, then your Nobel prize awaits.

Bill
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: a.king21 on January 14, 2014, 05:15:07 AM
I have made no claims.  I am repeating the laws of physics which have been proven over and over again.  If YOU are making a claim that those laws are wrong, then it is YOU that must prove it.  IF you are able to do so, then your Nobel prize awaits.

Bill
So you are repeating something you read in a book.
That's a great experimenter.
Chas Campbell is repeating something he created. You prove him wrong ONLY, ONLY, ONLY by replicating
his work and proving it does not work.


You do not prove him wrong by quoting something you read in a book.
BTW A couple of decades ago the Laws of Physics said that boiling water took longer to freeze than hot water.
A schoolboy in England did the experiment and proved them wrong.
This is a forum for experimenters - not people who quote facts  from books they have not replicated.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 14, 2014, 05:31:29 AM
So you are repeating something you read in a book.
That's a great experimenter.
Chas Campbell is repeating something he created. You prove him wrong ONLY, ONLY, ONLY by replicating
his work and proving it does not work.


You do not prove him wrong by quoting something you read in a book.
BTW A couple of decades ago the Laws of Physics said that boiling water took longer to freeze than hot water.
A schoolboy in England did the experiment and proved them wrong.
This is a forum for experimenters - not people who quote facts  from books they have not replicated.

Myself, and Pirate Labs, have done hundreds of experiments and replications all well documented on both my youtube channel and my website.  I have not replicated this device as I only do so with devices that actually have a chance of actually working.  Where are YOUR experiments?

FYI:  The laws of physics are just not in one book....but many, many books.  I have done many flywheel experiments and I'll be darned, those laws were correct.  Prove me wrong.  I would actually love to see that.  I would also like to see Chas make something that works too.  Maybe one day...

Bill
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: No clue 25 on January 14, 2014, 06:04:18 PM
Just my 2 but it seems to me that most the physics taught is not the whole enchilada.  Planet earth as a whole still doesn't even understand the smallest things about quantum physics.  A lot of things happen on this planet and others that nobody can explain.  So it's hard for me to really worry about what's in math books especially physics.  Not to long ago it was in text books that there where no other planets anywhere just the 8-9 that we could c.  Seems like a lot of them r there to mislead the ones who question.   

Personally I think there could b something in the chas design as well as many others.  Pirate I would like to c ur experiments with flywheels as I am in that process right now and u have probably covered many other questions I have.  Based in my calculations I can store upwards of 12000joules in my flywheel so I think there is plenty of room there to play. 

There is no point in a pissing contest we r all just trying to sift through the shit the media and government feeds us.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: ramset on January 14, 2014, 06:50:10 PM
Grumage
Quote
""Pulsing?? Simple !! Loose belt and an eccentric roller that is pulled into the belt and tightens it flings it round and does it again and again !! Simples !! However you could just try it with a stick to start with.  (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)

Well that's enough for now, I hope I have provided some food for thought??""
--------------------------------------------------
 
@Grum
thankyou for that pulse Idea, as well as the offer to share your findings.
it would seem that this pulsing [loose coupling] would be the only plausibe explanation for energy entering this system.
 
Non Syncronous Acceleration in a belted drive system would be interesting to see?
I actually hope you find an NSA anonomly ...
 

 
with all respect and Gratitude
 
Chet K
 
 
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: markdansie on January 15, 2014, 08:14:01 AM
@ A King 21. The Chas Cambel device failed all third party verification tests even by friendly parties. Saying you have to build one to prove it wrong is a waste of time and resources. The point is the original one never worked as claimed, end of story.
Like all the other devices and inventors making overunity claims, no one can produce a shred of evidence that they do as claimed or even a practical demonstration. The emphases is on them to prove their claim is supported, not others to disprove their claim.
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: a.king21 on January 15, 2014, 08:26:03 AM
@ A King 21. The Chas Cambel device failed all third party verification tests even by friendly parties. Saying you have to build one to prove it wrong is a waste of time and resources. The point is the original one never worked as claimed, end of story.
Like all the other devices and inventors making overunity claims, no one can produce a shred of evidence that they do as claimed or even a practical demonstration. The emphases is on them to prove their claim is supported, not others to disprove their claim.
Kind Regards
Mark
If that's the case could you please point me to a failed replication, please.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: markdansie on January 15, 2014, 11:36:52 AM
No need as the original machine failed in Brisbane. It has been reported on before.
This might be interesting though
http://revolution-green.com/blacklight-power-claims-game-changing-achievement-generation/ (http://revolution-green.com/blacklight-power-claims-game-changing-achievement-generation/)

Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: tinman on January 15, 2014, 01:17:17 PM
If that's the case could you please point me to a failed replication, please.

Here is another of Chas's machines-a gravity powered generator.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qyvX9j5i3U
Hope your getting the picture now a.king21,about poor old Chas.

Some more replications that have never been proven to work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98aiISB2DNw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHz-PjY-ASQ

And this one i debunked in 10 minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTLLnUOPOQk
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: ariovaldo on January 15, 2014, 03:33:40 PM
As you guys can see, there is a lot of YouTube movies showing devices like Chas Campbell system with a left over power ( Overunity ). I built one that didn't work at the time, but since I still have the parts, I will reassemble using a bigger motor.
Check this out...
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2013:12:09#Jose_Costa.27s_QMoGen:_.22Was_just_playing._Now_I.27m_going_to_get_serious.22 (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2013:12:09#Jose_Costa.27s_QMoGen:_.22Was_just_playing._Now_I.27m_going_to_get_serious.22)



Thanks
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: No clue 25 on January 15, 2014, 04:46:50 PM
Hope it works so you can prove all the nay Sayers wrong.    That would be a lot of good usable data even if it still doesn't work.  Keeping my fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: No clue 25 on January 15, 2014, 04:50:27 PM
Has anybody thought of using a diy axial flux alternator.  I have seen a couple they are calling dual axial flux alternator producing almost 3kw I think.  Seems like a good idea to me and if it doesn't work on this setup u could always use it for a windmill or something.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: markdansie on January 15, 2014, 05:09:25 PM
As you guys can see, there is a lot of YouTube movies showing devices like Chas Campbell system with a left over power ( Overunity ). I built one that didn't work at the time, but since I still have the parts, I will reassemble using a bigger motor.
Check this out...
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2013:12:09#Jose_Costa.27s_QMoGen:_.22Was_just_playing._Now_I.27m_going_to_get_serious.22 (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2013:12:09#Jose_Costa.27s_QMoGen:_.22Was_just_playing._Now_I.27m_going_to_get_serious.22)

Thanks


That is incorrect they were all shown not to have overunity and all suffered from measurement errors. the Overunity effect was from stored energy or the flywheel effect.
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: markdansie on January 15, 2014, 05:11:36 PM
Hope it works so you can prove all the nay Sayers wrong.    That would be a lot of good usable data even if it still doesn't work.  Keeping my fingers crossed.


the data from all the replications showed that the known laws of nature held up and they all ran as any reasonably qualified scientist or engineer would predict.
Kind Regards
Mark

Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Grumage on January 15, 2014, 06:17:42 PM

That is incorrect they were all shown not to have overunity and all suffered from measurement errors. the Overunity effect was from stored energy or the flywheel effect.
Kind Regards
Mark

Dear Mark.

Is it me or do you contradict yourself ?    "the Overunity effect was from stored energy or the flywheel effect"

Could you elucidate please?

Cheers Grum.

Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Grumage on January 15, 2014, 06:26:32 PM

the data from all the replications showed that the known laws of nature held up and they all ran as any reasonably qualified scientist or engineer would predict.
Kind Regards
Mark

Dear Mark.

This statement in itself  also begs questions!! Who's replications ?? Another question I have, did Chas Campbell's device self run ?? Was this witnessed??

Please be aware that I am not being confrontational. I, like you, would really like to believe that something might work !! This is the major reason for being a member of OU.Com after all !!  :)

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: ariovaldo on January 15, 2014, 07:38:49 PM

That is incorrect they were all shown not to have overunity and all suffered from measurement errors. the Overunity effect was from stored energy or the flywheel effect.
Kind Regards
Mark
Ok. As an old guy with engineering background I built that for funny and also to keep my mind working. In fact I didn't expected and I didn't see any energy leftover, but as a curious human being  I built anyway and I confess that I learned a lot.
I'm not too old to try and not dumb to learn.

Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: tinman on January 15, 2014, 10:29:48 PM
Dear Mark.

Is it me or do you contradict yourself ?    "the Overunity effect was from stored energy or the flywheel effect"

Could you elucidate please?

Cheers Grum.

Hi Grum
I believe Mark is refering to the missunderstanding by the builder. Chas see's his 750 watt motor running a 2000 watt drop saw,and thinks he has an overunity machine. But what he(and many others) fail to take into account is that the stored energy within the flywheel is becomeing less and less-the flywheel is slowing down,while the prime mover has to work harder to keep the flywheel up to speed.

If it take's 10 000 joule's of energy to get the flywheel up to 1000rpm,then there is only 10 000 joules of energy avaliable in that flywheel(minus friction losses)-never more. Every device runs at unity if all energy outputs are taken into account-as energy cannot be created or destroyed.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Farmhand on January 15, 2014, 10:58:51 PM
Hi Grum
I believe Mark is refering to the missunderstanding by the builder. Chas see's his 750 watt motor running a 2000 watt drop saw,and thinks he has an overunity machine. But what he(and many others) fail to take into account is that the stored energy within the flywheel is becomeing less and less-the flywheel is slowing down,while the prime mover has to work harder to keep the flywheel up to speed.

If it take's 10 000 joule's of energy to get the flywheel up to 1000rpm,then there is only 10 000 joules of energy avaliable in that flywheel(minus friction losses)-never more. Every device runs at unity if all energy outputs are taken into account-as energy cannot be created or destroyed.

Most definitely on the part I made bold, When all inputs, losses and outputs are considered we must have unity or something must be created from nothing or destroyed from existence which will not happen.

..
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: a.king21 on January 15, 2014, 11:20:45 PM
Tinman:  How do you know energy cannot be created or destroyed?
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Farmhand on January 16, 2014, 12:01:30 AM
I can't speak for Tinman, But the way I see it to create energy would require something to be added to the Universe, but since the Universe is everything, there is nowhere or nothing from which anything else can come. To destroy energy would be to remove something from existence to somewhere else that does not exist.

The Universe is everything, there is nothing outside or other than the Universe, Rather than use the word Universe we could just say "everything that exists".

It's not possible to get something from a place that does not exist in order to add it to the Universe.

Saying you can "create" energy is like saying you are like a God. If God is real, God is within the Universe or within everything that exists. There is nowhere else.

When we think on it enough we come to a point where we realize that actual infinity is incomprehensible. How to visualize infinity. At some point we must realize that as best we can understand everything is already in existence and always was, negating time as a real thing. Time is how we define a period of existence. Existence is eternal.

If one was to actually create energy from nothing then something would be added (from nowhere/non existence) to everything that already exists. Obviously an impossibility. Hence it is Law as I see it.

..
Just because we may not be aware of a certain "energy" or thing or place does not mean it is not in existence. Things don't come into existence as we become aware of them.
.. 
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: a.king21 on January 16, 2014, 12:43:43 AM
The law of entropy contradicts the conservation law.
The universe is expanding, therefore a continuous energetic expansion.
The conservation law was formulated at a time when physicists though the universe
was a steady state. They were wrong.  That's why science is exciting.
Believe nothing; verify everything; is my motto.
The electron has been orbiting the nucleus for 13.5 billion years(?) or so science says.
Some perpetual motion machine - which never needs plugging in.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Farmhand on January 16, 2014, 05:46:03 AM
The known Universe may be expanding but what of what we do not know ? What is the Universe expanding into ? A weather balloon expands as it rises in the atmosphere.

Seems to me the scientists are just making assumptions based on what they know or can observe. What they do not know and observe dwarfs what they do know.

I'm not touting the Laws of Thermodynamics, I saying what appears to be logical to me.

Everything that ever was has always been in existence in some form. And it has been always, there is no beginning and no end, in the big scheme of things over many many gazzilions of years the Universe will not disappear into nothing and nothing will appear out of nowhere. Is how I see it and it is an assumption based on logic.

None of us can say for sure, but all the evidence points to the inability to create energy or matter from nothing. No one can show it.

Show me a box full of absolutely nothing, no air no gasses nothing, an absolute vacuum, with not one single hydrogen atom,energy or anything in it and then explain how we could bring forth something from that box without adding anything to it, no energy or matter at all.

Just showing a box full of nothing is impossible. As far as I know it is not possible to create an absolute vacuum, and space is not an absolute vacuum. There is an accepted level of vacuum, that cannot be passed as far as I am aware.

The big bang was not the beginning of everything because nothing cannot go bang, there needs to be something there to go bang to begin with, this is an axiom.

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Scientists make theories and try to prove them using numbers and such. When they think they have proof they make it an accepted theory, still a theory.

Science is not an exact science. No pun intended.

How could nothing all of a sudden go bang and spring forth a Universe out of nothingness or non existence. Everything in the Universe which should really be called the Omniverse always was in existence. I see no other logical explanation. Religious people say God created everything but who created God.

If God can create things from nothing could he have created himself from nothing ? Or brought himself into existence from absolutely nothing.

In my opinion there is no such thing as "nothing" by definition.

..It's word soup I know but there is a truth in there that in my opinion cannot be overlooked.

Come to think of it a box containing a vacuum would have significant potential as I imagine it, as would be witnessed if it was punctured in the atmosphere.

A vacuum can be discharged. Or an evacuated vessel may be discharged or however it may be termed.

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Dimensions are another weird thing, a so called three dimensional box can be measured in many dimensions.

When we move our hand about in space no real dimensional barriers are crossed. Dimensions are for measurements. They are mental constructs, not real things. Same as time.

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Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: tinman on January 16, 2014, 10:54:00 AM
Quote a.king21: The universe is expanding, therefore a continuous energetic expansion.

How do they know the universe is expanding,when they dont know how big the universe is?. Dose the universe have an end?, if not,then how do they know it is expanding?. They asume it's expanding because the galaxies are picking up speed,and moving further apart from one another-but from which frame of reference?. It is thought this is because of the big attractor-a large cluster of galaxies pulling in the known galaxies.

Thinking about the universe having an end or not,is enough to tear your head apart. What would the end of the universe be?-a solid wall (like we are all in a giant fish bowl) or just nothingness. Maybe we just end up going in a big circle,and end up right back where we started from- a looped system.

Quote: The law of entropy contradicts the conservation law.

There is no law of entropy,it is the second law of thermodynamics.
The first is- energy is not created or destroyed.
The third is-absolute zero cannot be achieved.

Quote: In traditional thermodynamics, entropy is a measure of the amount of energy in a closed system that is no longer available to effect changes in that system. A system is closed when no energy is being added to or removed from it, and energy becomes unavailable not by leaving the system, but by becoming irretrievably disordered, as a consequence of the laws of statistical mechanics. But even though the total amount of energy that is irretrievably disordered will increase, this does not mean order cannot increase somewhere else in that same system. This is where confusion arises. Of course, entropy can be measured in an open system, too, but this introduces additional variables, and of course the Second Law then no longer applies. But even when the Second Law applies, it is still possible for a closed system to produce order, even highly elaborate order, so long as there is a greater increase in disorder somewhere else in the system.


Even when matter and antimatter come together and annihilate one another into non existance,there energies are transformed,not destroyed.

Quote: The electron has been orbiting the nucleus for 13.5 billion years(?) or so science says.
Some perpetual motion machine - which never needs plugging in.

Cool-so what happens if we draw energy from this perpetual motion machine?-better still,how do we do it?.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: ingyenenergiagep on January 16, 2014, 04:15:02 PM
The electron has been orbiting the nucleus for 13.5 billion years(?) or so science says.

Yes. This is one good example.

The energy is no more or less in closed system.
But  perfectly closed system not exist in the Universe. ;-)
Use the tricks: gravitational force, magnetic repelling and the power of resonance.
We need a machine only that gives us electricity and/or heat from 1 to 20kw.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: markdansie on January 16, 2014, 04:19:59 PM
Brilliant Reply Tinman
Still applauding
Mark
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: No clue 25 on January 16, 2014, 05:27:40 PM
So would there be anyway to collect static or some other form of energy from the surrounding area of the machine.  It seems like there mite be some better ways of getting overunity.  I am probably just going to start building a 5kw axial flux generator and c where it goes from there.  Idk about continuing with the chas campbell design cuz from all the info on this site and on google make me feel like there should be no moving parts and collect everything from the environment around me. Maybe a vawt or a recirculating water wheel system.

I'm glad to see many more objective minds on this site.  That's what I came here for.  Thanks
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: a.king21 on January 16, 2014, 05:45:41 PM
So would there be anyway to collect static or some other form of energy from the surrounding area of the machine.  It seems like there mite be some better ways of getting overunity.  I am probably just going to start building a 5kw axial flux generator and c where it goes from there.  Idk about continuing with the chas campbell design cuz from all the info on this site and on google make me feel like there should be no moving parts and collect everything from the environment around me. Maybe a vawt or a recirculating water wheel system.

I'm glad to see many more objective minds on this site.  That's what I came here for.  Thanks
You can always develop the design into the Bedini  "Watson" machine.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: No clue 25 on January 16, 2014, 07:00:45 PM
That's kinda what I'm leaning towards.  I was actually just looking into the designs for those.  Seems like some how we need to get away from moving parts or learn to optimize the movements in moving parts.  Or maybe find the shapes that channel natural energy in our environment(vortex).  Has anybody seen one of those actually powering a house?  I saw one replica that was running a 5kw ac unit.  That's more than enough for anything in a house.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: deanc5000 on January 16, 2014, 11:48:54 PM
Hey No Clue, i happen to believe in the vortex as a possible aid to collecting excess energy. They are a natural example of self organizing matter. What if you allowed the vortex to self organize then disrupted it at the right moment to capture the kinetic energy? I have a turbine project started and I am using some of Schaubergers ideas to reduce friction in rotating systems. So far I can create a partial vacuum around an open air rotating disc rotor that reduces the current draw of the prime mover by about 15%. Basically turning the whole rotor into a double sided Laval nozzle. Its still early and I have more work to do but Ill eventually add a sealed cover so I can test heavier gasses like sulfur hexafluoride. This gas reaches its speed of sound at only 70m/s. So what happens to a vortex when the core reaches the sound barrier? I intend to find out. For one thing, any acoustic pressure waves can only propagate in the downstream direction. Like its an acoustic rectifier. I also plan to allow the system to resonate at its natural frequency. These are all the phenomena that were probably going on in the Schauberger designs. Whether they worked or not I can not say, but its too intriguing for me to ignore. I wonder what he could have accomplished today with computer simulation , cnc manufacturing, composite materials, 3D printing, etc, etc.

I did not plan to self loop the motor and generator in my design but it would only take an hour or so to do it. I am very skeptical about the so called mo gen loopers. Maybe because electron pressure (voltage) is spongy and some mechanical couplings (belts) can slip or exhibit spongyness, some resonance is set up. Naaa, i doubt it.

An early test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qfrA978QAU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qfrA978QAU)
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: markdansie on January 17, 2014, 06:16:31 AM
Dear Mark.

This statement in itself  also begs questions!! Who's replications ?? Another question I have, did Chas Campbell's device self run ?? Was this witnessed??

Please be aware that I am not being confrontational. I, like you, would really like to believe that something might work !! This is the major reason for being a member of OU.Com after all !!  :)

Cheers Grum.


Hi Grum
It did self run when it was run up to speed but was witnessed to slow down as the energy stored was consumed to overcome  friction. When a load was placed on it without any other energy source it would slow down and stop pretty quickly.


I know people who were very sympathetic and wanted to believe in this that did go and see it first hand and were disappointed and realized it was a combination of measurement errors and stored energy.


I did not see the device first hand but trusted the assessment of the people who did see it.


No one has ever replicated it successfully as has been pointed out by other posters


Kind Regards
mark



Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: a.king21 on January 17, 2014, 07:48:44 AM
To encourage you all: - Tesla did this with his earthquake machine, when he tested it on the New  York 10 storey skyscraper.
There are some rules: The input must be separated as much as possible from the output to avoid a feedback loop.
So a loose coupling is required. Even better if it mechanically connects and disconnects with every revolution.
Tesla never forgot this lesson and took it into the Colorado Springs experiments - with his resonant rise loosely coupled extra coil.
Please note:- Tesla's resonant rise is not today's definition.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: wings on January 17, 2014, 12:33:38 PM
 ;) http://www.overunity.com/2487/chas-campbell-free-power-motor/msg94133/#msg94133 (http://www.overunity.com/2487/chas-campbell-free-power-motor/new/#new)
I  got curious  about this  thread and started reading I got  up to page 15  I take from this page that   everyone  has  written off the  flywheel (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=flywheel)  idea.The  skeptics  here  will say that they  are just  trying to keep people from  reinventing  the wheel .I think that chances are  that  the group here has UNinvented   the wheel   I  remember   many  years ago before I had any intrerest  in  saving   energy   there was a guy  on TV   with   a very simple  flywheel (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=flywheel)  based  machine  that he  said made   extra energy .       This  guy  explained   that  he had  built the  original    machine  with   spare parts   and  it worked very  well He then  built  a  better looking   version  . .........but the  new   version didn't  have any extra power.  He  said he  spent monthis  trying to figure out why the  original  machine  just thrown together   created extra power and the carefully  built  new machine   made no extra power at  all .    Then  one day  he  decided that  it was  time to change the  belt on the original   machine .     With a new  belt  tensioned  propperly  the original machine  no  longer  produced  any  extra energy . After playing  with the  tension  he got  the original  machine  to   start producing  extra energy again .   He loosened  the  fan  belt untill  it started   bouncing  a  little .   He  did the same with the  his new  version and it  started producing   extra power  too . He  he had the  camera zoom in and show  the  belt . ......it was clearly  not  running  smooth   it  was  it bounced  quit  a bit .......making the motor  pull hard then  idle      Pulses  of power was the secret  .   He  also  said that  he  found  it almost impossable  to get  engineer  types to  understand  this .   "they  always  insist on belts bing tight ."
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: tinman on January 17, 2014, 03:20:21 PM
;) http://www.overunity.com/2487/chas-campbell-free-power-motor/msg94133/#msg94133 (http://www.overunity.com/2487/chas-campbell-free-power-motor/new/#new)
I  got curious  about this  thread and started reading I got  up to page 15  I take from this page that   everyone  has  written off the  flywheel (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=flywheel)  idea.The  skeptics  here  will say that they  are just  trying to keep people from  reinventing  the wheel .I think that chances are  that  the group here has UNinvented   the wheel   I  remember   many  years ago before I had any intrerest  in  saving   energy   there was a guy  on TV   with   a very simple  flywheel (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=flywheel)  based  machine  that he  said made   extra energy .       This  guy  explained   that  he had  built the  original    machine  with   spare parts   and  it worked very  well He then  built  a  better looking   version  . .........but the  new   version didn't  have any extra power.  He  said he  spent monthis  trying to figure out why the  original  machine  just thrown together   created extra power and the carefully  built  new machine   made no extra power at  all .    Then  one day  he  decided that  it was  time to change the  belt on the original   machine .     With a new  belt  tensioned  propperly  the original machine  no  longer  produced  any  extra energy . After playing  with the  tension  he got  the original  machine  to   start producing  extra energy again .   He loosened  the  fan  belt untill  it started   bouncing  a  little .   He  did the same with the  his new  version and it  started producing   extra power  too . He  he had the  camera zoom in and show  the  belt . ......it was clearly  not  running  smooth   it  was  it bounced  quit  a bit .......making the motor  pull hard then  idle      Pulses  of power was the secret  .   He  also  said that  he  found  it almost impossable  to get  engineer  types to  understand  this .   "they  always  insist on belts bing tight ."

Hi Wings
As you will see from my youtube chanel,i am all for finding the free energy machine-and have spent many years looking and building. But the answer is not in the Qmogen type machine's. This is just yet another of Stirling's rubbish machine's,that if the past is any thing to go on,he's hopeing to make a quid out of.

Now ,about this slipping belt thing-what dose a slipping belt cause?. It causes heat,and heat is yet another loss in a system where an electrical output is wanted.

There is one way to put this to bed once and for all-build one that runs itself,and we'll all believe. So far,not one person has done this,with the proof to back it up-not one.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: tinman on January 17, 2014, 03:30:58 PM
To encourage you all: - Tesla did this with his earthquake machine, when he tested it on the New  York 10 storey skyscraper.
There are some rules: The input must be separated as much as possible from the output to avoid a feedback loop.
So a loose coupling is required. Even better if it mechanically connects and disconnects with every revolution.
Tesla never forgot this lesson and took it into the Colorado Springs experiments - with his resonant rise loosely coupled extra coil.
Please note:- Tesla's resonant rise is not today's definition.

The earth quake machine was just a mechanical resonant oscillator. Works the same way as pushing a child on a swing-very little force required to move a large mass-when in resonance.
But here's the down fall= If an equal and opposite force is applied,the net result is zero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKW03jo9RJQ
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: wings on January 17, 2014, 03:36:41 PM
Hi Wings
As you will see from my youtube chanel,i am all for finding the free energy machine-and have spent many years looking and building. But the answer is not in the Qmogen type machine's. This is just yet another of Stirling's rubbish machine's,that if the past is any thing to go on,he's hopeing to make a quid out of.

Now ,about this slipping belt thing-what dose a slipping belt cause?. It causes heat,and heat is yet another loss in a system where an electrical output is wanted.

There is one way to put this to bed once and for all-build one that runs itself,and we'll all believe. So far,not one person has done this,with the proof to back it up-not one.
long time ... also for me .... FE research is my spiritual path
the comments was not regarding slipping belt but regarding the speed oscillation due to the low transmission rigidity, as you can see the mass of inertia of this type of system is quite large one of the rules of FE is to not kill the source so the delay due to the rotational speed oscillation can be the solution.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: tinman on January 17, 2014, 03:45:47 PM
Here you go guy's-the whole shebang.
So who is building what?

http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapter4.pdf
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: ramset on January 17, 2014, 04:26:14 PM
Tinman
Not fair posting "Larry's" efforts ...........
 
However it is good to know you have not played with the loose belt theory ,
 
{Finally found something you haven't touched yet]  8)
 
I like Wings TV add guy's story , seems an honest possibility or A definate Maybe !
the idea of running a loose belt would get your knuckles wrapped in must garages
counter intuitive ,,,,,,,
Worth a good try I would say?
 
Thx
Chet
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: No clue 25 on January 17, 2014, 05:43:16 PM
That's crazy to see a 15% increase in efficiency from basically wind resistance but that's why NASA uses flywheels in satellites for power and they got the money for frictionless system and they are in space.  Glad we could all give them the tax dollars so we can all try and figure out what they did.  I think there is something to a vortex system to move electrons through magnetic fields or something.  Could I possibly get an antigravity effect from this?  Idk how the system would work or what it would look like at all but I can see the electrons moving in whatever way you want as long as it based on something natural like a vortex.  Could It be done with no moving parts.  Hopefully somebody understands all this better than I do.  Thanks. E=mc2 or 2=mc
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: a.king21 on January 17, 2014, 05:56:37 PM
So the Tesla earthquake machine is 2 to 5 watts in:- millions of watts out as substantiated by Verpies.
Applying the same technique to the motor gen principle you can also add this; (as per the picture below) but the Bedini will have to be modified to
incorporate a loose coupling. This is the famous Bedini-Watson machine.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: MileHigh on January 17, 2014, 07:05:08 PM
Guys:

Satellites don't use flywheels for power.  If somebody believes that they should task themselves to learn about what they are really used for.

There is no "earthquake machine" if that has it's roots in the published story about the small device that allegedly shook an entire building.  That's nothing more than "Yellow Journalism," another worthwhile investigation.

For Bedini, 30 years later and no "qmogen" in sight???  Put him on Sterling's list!

MileHigh
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: No clue 25 on January 17, 2014, 07:35:01 PM
NASA uses flywheels as batteries in some satellites it charges for 60minutes on the sunny side and it takes 30 minutes to go around the dark side.  The wheel has a spin time of 90minutes.  Do your research before you tell me and others that I'm wrong. And if you don't think that matching frequency or resonance can have pretty substantial effects you shouldn't be voicing your opinion.  You can lift large masses just by matching the frequency you produce and the object.  How do you think all these ancient city's where built.  They had to lift things that we would have trouble with today and not to mention in very precarious places that even modern equipment could not get to(machupichu).  Don't just shut stuff down based on what u read. Have you replicated an earthquake machine?  If not make one, then call us crazy. Think outside the box. 
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Grumage on January 17, 2014, 07:53:48 PM
Dear All.

I would like to thank all the contributors both for and against !!  :)

Being undaunted and more importantly getting a 5 Kva alternator to play with for free!! I am going to have a real go at this project. We shall see which group will then have the privilege of saying "I TOLD YOU SO !!.  ;D

My secret weapon, was secret before I provided the sketch below  :). A mechanical belt pulsing arrangement. I have also got a "Sprag clutch bearing" like a one way drive, may also be incorporated.

Please wish me luck whichever side of the fence you are currently sitting on.

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: No clue 25 on January 17, 2014, 07:57:50 PM
That sounds like the system I was looking to achieve.  Please post your findings.  I and I'm sure many others would love to see this work.  Then we can all power our houses or whatever.  Wish you had dc motors only cuz that's what I have and haven't gotten any clear answers as to if it would be better as the motor or generator but o well.  Very interested in your results.  Thanks
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: markdansie on January 18, 2014, 02:35:51 AM
That sounds like the system I was looking to achieve.  Please post your findings.  I and I'm sure many others would love to see this work.  Then we can all power our houses or whatever.  Wish you had dc motors only cuz that's what I have and haven't gotten any clear answers as to if it would be better as the motor or generator but o well.  Very interested in your results.  Thanks


I always like to encourage experiments as it always means something will be learned. No overunity will come from any motor, pulley, flywheel arrangement. I really admire your enthusiasm but you really did choose a great name for yourself here. I think you should visit Sterling Allans Freeenergy  news he is always looking for new blood to extract some money from like yourself.


Do not take this the wrong way I like everyone here, I just do not want people to have false expectations that is all and to all the experimenters I salute you


Mark
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: tinman on January 18, 2014, 02:59:30 AM
Tinman
Not fair posting "Larry's" efforts ...........
 
However it is good to know you have not played with the loose belt theory ,
 
{Finally found something you haven't touched yet]  8)
 
I like Wings TV add guy's story , seems an honest possibility or A definate Maybe !
the idea of running a loose belt would get your knuckles wrapped in must garages
counter intuitive ,,,,,,,
Worth a good try I would say?
 
Thx
Chet
Who is Larry?,and what did i post that was his?.

Loose belt theory-no need to try,as the results are already known through over 30 years of mechanical/engineering experiance.
Loose belts cause the following.
Vibration--this equals electrical energy loss-energy transformation.
Heat through slip friction--this equals electrical energy loss-energy transformation.
Squealing/noise--this equals electrical energy loss-energy transformation.

Next problem with slipping belts is getting accurate P/in and P/out measurements.If the belt is loose and jumping/grabing, this means that the motor will see a load that is like a pulsed system. At one time (when the belt grabs)the motor will have a load applied to it,the next second,the belt slips or jumps,and the motor sees no load.How to accurately measure P/in while this is happening?. You only have to start up a car with a slipping belt,and you can hear some of your mechanical energy being turned into sound energy-and i bet the radiator fan is turning slower aswell,than it would if the belt was tight.

deanc5000 is going about it the right way-build and try with an open mind to the outcome.

My prediction on the outcome of his tests.
Tight belt-power drawn from system will directly reflect on the P/in of the system.And this will be at a loss.A constant load on the P/out should see the watt meter read a steady P/in,and RPM settle to a steady state-depending on P/out load.

Slipping/jumping belt-If the belt jumps(oscillates between grabbing and slipping),then the watt meter will not read a steady P/in,and P/out will be lower with the same constant load applied as in with the first test with tight belt.RPM of the flywheel will likely be lower aswell,and may even slowly decline.
If the belt just slips without the jumping,then the P/in on the watt meter will remain steady,and will probably read less than the P/in was with the tight belt and applied load. But the P/out will also be less,and the flywheel will slowly decrease in RPM until it reaches an equilibrium with the applied load.Squealing may also be heard,thus meaning some of the P/in is being converted into noise energy.

I sincerely hope that some one here proves me and the other naysayer wrong about any of the Qmogen system's.
I await to see deanc5000's result's,and encourage all to continue with there experiment's,and not just take my word on the outcome's.

Quote Chet: However it is good to know you have not played with the loose belt theory ,
 Please see video's and reserch on Luc's reactive generator thread-belt was indeed slipping on my setup a couple of time's,which resulted in lower P/out,and Lower P/in.

Cheers
Brad
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: ramset on January 18, 2014, 03:39:47 AM
Brad
When you click on your link the Handsome Chinese fellow staring you in the face is Laurence Tseung
Thats Larry…..[Laurence ,,,quite a character at times ]


however I see the rest of that link gets into the other replications .


I was taught just as you were {although we did not really have Belts on the planes I worked on]
All your comments regarding belts make complete sense.


The fellows have a theory and it "Revolves" around  putting a pulse in their system … and then they are hoping for an oscillation with gain to set in?
This would be an interesting concept if it works ..tapping the mechanical system in some fashion that it achieves an output beyond the apparent input I suppose?

Just like you I hope they do it and I am Grateful they are willing to give it a try and share their results.


the
Chet
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 18, 2014, 07:09:25 AM
Chet:

Where is Lawrence? I hope he is OK.  We have not heard from him for a while.  I never agreed with his theories but, he was always very positive in pushing them and I respected that.

Bill
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: tinman on January 18, 2014, 10:36:29 AM
@ Chet
Im sorry Chet,but your friends theories are full of hole's.
Example-Quote:This fact has recently been stressed by Lawrence Tseung who refers to the extra energy obtained in this way as being “Lead-out” energy. This gravitational feature has been part of university Engineering courses for decades, where it has been taught that the loading stress on a bridge caused by a load rolling across the bridge is far less than the stress caused if that same load were suddenly dropped on to the bridge.

Sounds good,but he failed to take into account the energy required to lift the load in the first place-so as the load could be dropped onto the bridge.This energy is an additive to the impack the load has on the bridge. If you take the energy required to lift the load,and place that energy in form of an inpact on the load rolling accross the bridge,the force placed on the bridge would be the same.

Once again-every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

The one about an impact drive propelling a canoe is actualy suppose to be an inertial drive unit.
Think about how an ice or roller skater propels them self,and you will see how this work's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx4LT3GZjlY&list=PLoUT4a5Zlf7GeW9OODUuqpcrrvsQ1uZ31

I am seeing no magic in any of these systems yet.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: a.king21 on January 18, 2014, 12:27:23 PM
Tinman:  How do you know that every action equals an equal and opposite reaction?
Because some guy hundreds of years ago said so?
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: ramset on January 18, 2014, 01:49:32 PM
Bill
Lawrence still updates his thread At Overunity research ,I know he had some health issues ,but he keeps busy.
@Brad
Suppose their intuition is Right?,especially since it goes against everything we Know [or think we Know]….


I have to say when I read the story of Tesla's "incident' in Down town manhattan with his little Tappy thing, It does give me pause
I spent Ten years knocking Down Buildings In NYC and those old Buildings Down town were not to be taken lightly[quite the opposite ]
If I only had a little "Tappy thing"  I would probably still be in that business [It was a Brutal BiZ]


And please don't imagine some tall drink a water ,spindly, wiggly frail structure  when you ponder this building and that story
Uh -UH they cross braced and over built "sky scrapers" [anything over 3 stories in those days],they were going into uncharted territory and took extra precautions during construction so as not to be embarrassed by the naysayers.


And Yes I completely understand the resonance perspective ,however I think if you added up The little Taps and then you figured a way to harness all the energy in that building that was  put in motion  by those Taps and transfer that energy to one big event ??


 As Batman Used to Say


POW ….
Have you ever been hit with a skyscraper  8)

Perhaps we have missed something??
No stone left unturned ?


Thx
Chet
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: a.king21 on January 18, 2014, 03:03:47 PM
Chet: I see you're on message. :)
Wish the rest were as bright.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Paul-R on January 18, 2014, 04:04:56 PM
Chet:

Where is Lawrence? I hope he is OK.  We have not heard from him for a while.
I think that, for some reason, he doesn't go for insolent ignorant rabble.

He posted in overunityresearch on New Year's Eve (approx). He is a good person.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: tinman on January 18, 2014, 04:15:41 PM
Tinman:  How do you know that every action equals an equal and opposite reaction?
Because some guy hundreds of years ago said so?

No -not because some guy said so hundreds of years ago. But more because of my many years of experimenting with many so called free energy machine's,aswell as some of my own designs.

I (along with everyone else)so far,have not seen any action that didnt have an opposite and equal reaction-when ALL reactions are taken into account. But please feel free to show me otherwise.

But all is not lost,and there IS a way to build a self running machine. The answer is in the fuel used to run that machine-and it is a fuel that many say isnt a fuel at all. Come June 15 this year,i will be showing you all how this is possable. Why June 15?-well that is a special day for me,and nothing will come befor that date.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: tinman on January 18, 2014, 04:44:05 PM
Bill
Lawrence still updates his thread At Overunity research ,I know he had some health issues ,but he keeps busy.
@Brad
Suppose their intuition is Right?,especially since it goes against everything we Know [or think we Know]….


I have to say when I read the story of Tesla's "incident' in Down town manhattan with his little Tappy thing, It does give me pause
I spent Ten years knocking Down Buildings In NYC and those old Buildings Down town were not to be taken lightly[quite the opposite ]
If I only had a little "Tappy thing"  I would probably still be in that business [It was a Brutal BiZ]


And please don't imagine some tall drink a water ,spindly, wiggly frail structure  when you ponder this building and that story
Uh -UH they cross braced and over built "sky scrapers" [anything over 3 stories in those days],they were going into uncharted territory and took extra precautions during construction so as not to be embarrassed by the naysayers.


And Yes I completely understand the resonance perspective ,however I think if you added up The little Taps and then you figured a way to harness all the energy in that building that was  put in motion  by those Taps and transfer that energy to one big event ??


 As Batman Used to Say


POW ….
Have you ever been hit with a skyscraper  8)

Perhaps we have missed something??
No stone left unturned ?


Thx
Chet

Chet-we are getting off track with the thread here,but these are questions that should be answered. Everything has a resonant frequency,just like the good old LC circuit.With each and every tap of power into the LC circuit,we can build up a higher voltage potential within that LC circuit,than the voltage supplied. But what happens if we draw as much power as we put into that LC circuit? That's right,the end result is an electrical power loss on the output,as we loose some in the form of heat.

And if you hold a wine glass in your hand,you know it will take a far amount of preasure to shatter that wine glass with your hand-and yet it can be shattered with sound wave's at the right frequency-sound wave's so small that you cant feel them hit your body. Only the ear drum is sensitive enough to feel there vibrations. But what would happen if an equal amount of energy was drawn from that wine glass,as what was being sent to it via the sound wave's?.

Now when you talk about Tesla's earthquake machine-the small device that can bring down a multi story building,what good would that be?-how is this an overunity event?.Lets stand back and look at the whole picture.Lets say the machine did as stated,and could bring down a multi story building.We would think that this must be some sort of energy gain !right?!-well not when you stand back and take into concideration the amount of energy required to erect the building in the first place.Even if we were able to collect all the impact energy of the collapsing building,it would not be as much as it took to build it in the first place,when we take into account all energy required to build it.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: ramset on January 18, 2014, 06:56:21 PM
Brad
at this point the field is in motion….the game is afoot….
Lets just hope for the best as these men give it their best.


maybe they will find a way to create that rogue wave ? perhaps nature can be harnessed in a way few understand,


I am intrigued enuff to watch and hopefully learn.


And grateful for the experience!!


@June 15…………………………………..?
As always... with respect and appreciation!


Thx
Chet







Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: MileHigh on January 18, 2014, 08:41:59 PM
No Clue 25:

Quote
that's why NASA uses flywheels in satellites for power and they got the money for frictionless system and they are in space.  Glad we could all give them the tax dollars so we can all try and figure out what they did.

Quote
NASA uses flywheels as batteries in some satellites it charges for 60minutes on the sunny side and it takes 30 minutes to go around the dark side.  The wheel has a spin time of 90minutes.  Do your research before you tell me and others that I'm wrong.

Your are correct and I went and looked it up.  I was only aware of using flywheels to position the satellite, not to store energy.  Storing energy makes perfect sense.  If you said "to store energy" it would have been clearer.  When you said "for power" I interpreted that as meaning the flywheel itself was a source of power.

What's interesting is eventually the satellite is stable with a lot of stored flywheel energy.  The satellite runs out of "energy headroom" and has to do a "spin-down" where it burns chemical fuel to counteract the flywheel energy spin-down.

Quote
And if you don't think that matching frequency or resonance can have pretty substantial effects you shouldn't be voicing your opinion.

This is a place for sharing and exchanging ideas, and all ideas should be welcome, and welcome to be debated.

MileHigh

Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: SeaMonkey on January 18, 2014, 11:17:53 PM
Quote from: TinMan
But all is not lost,and there IS a way to build a self running machine. The answer is in the fuel used to run that machine-and it is a fuel that many say isnt a fuel at all. Come June 15 this year,i will be showing you all how this is possable. Why June 15?-well that is a special day for me,and nothing will come befor that date.

Aye, self-running machines are very abundant
upon Planet Earth.  As a matter of fact, we all
see one each time we peer into a mirror. :o

None-the-less, we are looking forward with great
anticipation to what you'll reveal on 15 June 2014. ;)
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: tinman on January 19, 2014, 04:01:30 AM
No Clue 25:


This is a place for sharing and exchanging ideas, and all ideas should be welcome, and welcome to be debated.

MileHigh

I couldnt agree more MH,so i will stop what others may see as negativity,and await to see some of there build's. Like i said befor in this post-i really hope some one proves me wrong,and is able to make a self running machine.

Quote SeaMonkey:  As a matter of fact, we all
see one each time we peer into a mirror.

So very true. A machine that gathers it's own fuel as needed-sulf running/self sustaining.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: MileHigh on January 19, 2014, 01:34:51 PM
Tinman:

If you agree then it means you can indeed express yourself even if others see it as negativity.  If you express yourself in a civil way then people can disagree with you and a debate can continue on from there.  For example, if people believe that flywheels can be a source of power (like many do) and you tell them that's not true there is nothing wrong with that.  Self-looped motor-generators don't work, much to the chagrin of Sterling Allen and perhaps here on this thread there are believers in that concept.  You can go on to explain why they don't work and make some logical arguments.  Some people might not want to hear that, but you have the right to express yourself.

I might like to see people's builds also, but it doesn't mean that I can't express myself before, during, and after the build.  Naturally you want to reasonable at the same time.

What we don't want to be become is drones that do and think like others tell us to do and live in a straight-jacket put on by some kind of "enforcer."  You know how I have issues with free energy experimenters that are afraid to correct each other or disagree with each other.  That's a formula for intellectual stagnation and total lack of progress.  Do you remember the pulse motor presentation put on by Steorn as their last hurrah?  I said the pulse motors were total crap along with many others.  Others that were believers thought that the pulse motors made of Perspex were something special and may even have been some kind of over unity system.  Here we are years later and clearly the Perspex pulse motors were total crap.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Grumage on July 07, 2014, 08:05:45 PM
Dear All.

It has been a while since my last post here !! The weather, and some other projects here and there has finally allowed me to "Go Play".

Here are the initial videos of my progress into this project, which has now ground to a halt, due to the fact that the vibration we saw on the second video being caused by the brand new alternator having a shaft run out of 0.1 mm !! I have today returned this item to the supplier and will have to wait until their repair dep't can assess it.

This was the whole reason behind buying new. There should have been nothing wrong !!

With this test rig my Son and I are hoping to look into the Aspden effect and a few other claims as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhMqM21zFSM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32a2SHkvsyc

Please enjoy ??  :)

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: ARMCORTEX on July 07, 2014, 08:45:07 PM
So the trick of oscillating the pulley tension is called the aspen effect ??

I'm also designing a kinetic pulser mechanism.

Nice flywheels, they seem to turn nicely on the frame, you got those from scrapyard ?
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: TheCell on July 07, 2014, 08:59:19 PM
I only want to mention , that a Russian patent exists on this technology:
http://www.freepatent.ru/patents/2339844
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Grumage on July 07, 2014, 09:19:51 PM
So the trick of oscillating the pulley tension is called the aspen effect ??

I'm also designing a kinetic pulser mechanism.

Nice flywheels, they seem to turn nicely on the frame, you got those from scrapyard ?

Dear ARMCORTEX.

No Harold Aspden discovered this......http://www.haroldaspden.com/lectures/30.htm

There might be something to his discovery !! ;)

The flywheels are borrowed from a couple of my Vintage Gas engines ( Gas in this case meaning Town Gas NOT Gasoline. )

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=robinson+x+type+gas+engine&newwindow=1&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=LfK6U479F-vT7AainIHwCQ&ved=0CEEQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=943

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: ARMCORTEX on July 07, 2014, 10:13:40 PM
I call this process ''smacking of the b****'' effect

I still dont know if the pulsing system should be isolated or not, or in the same system as the bigger wheel.

Ideally both wheels should have most their mass @ the rim, my smaller wheel is made up of a few solenoids @ the rim and I select appropriate timing via a bit of wizardry.

This is he technique I wanna try.

I provide energy to motor, wich is about 80% efficient, I load up a flywheel and have some pulse impact via solenoid.

Solenoid can stick out 10mm in 3 ms, little energy, but metal cap has lots of stenght and transfer much energy very quickly.

This is type of trick that manet cant perform, it dont have all that unstoppable kinetic energy stored it, its like full capacitor zero impedance source

Tangantially... This is important. Ive seen people with pulse motors but force is not tangantial.

Some people say magnets are good pulsing mechanism too, but you need shielding and everything, cost about the same.

Apparently adding a little faster pulse to something thats already accelerating gives OU energy... Anyways, claims from resonant fractals are quite vague and lack a bit of substance, buts its starting point for design ideas.

Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: ARMCORTEX on July 08, 2014, 05:46:13 AM
So I researched this ''aspden effect'', not really  any clues.

But Chas opened to the door.

Now, we must play games with what I call ''eccentric kinetic transistor''.

Basicly a motor or flywheel system can lock itself to a system by turning a eccentric reflector that has a bearing @ the tip, thus tensionning the pulley.

Create a free-run/ connect scenario.

Use the ''smack my b*****'' up effect

I can almost see the puzzle unraveling now.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Paul-R on July 08, 2014, 04:23:06 PM
I only want to mention , that a Russian patent exists on this technology:
http://www.freepatent.ru/patents/2339844 (http://www.freepatent.ru/patents/2339844)
This is dated March 2007. It won't stand up. I am pretty certain that Chas Campbell was long before that. I cannot find any patents from Ivan Skibitskiy in either the US or the EPO, and so, even if his Russian patent stands up, I cannot see that he will have protection in Europe or the USA.


*********************************************************

STEFAN:

Is there a way, from this site's records or the old Yahoo group, of determining when Chas Campbell's ideas were first disclosed?


*********************************************************


Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: ARMCORTEX on July 09, 2014, 08:08:11 AM
Oscillate ''pulley'' tension...Do not couple to rightly, Isolate load by time delay.

It is a ''new'' idea, many incorrect replicas.

Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: tinman on July 10, 2014, 02:44:28 PM
This is dated March 2007. It won't stand up. I am pretty certain that Chas Campbell was long before that. I cannot find any patents from Ivan Skibitskiy in either the US or the EPO, and so, even if his Russian patent stands up, I cannot see that he will have protection in Europe or the USA.


*********************************************************

STEFAN:

Is there a way, from this site's records or the old Yahoo group, of determining when Chas Campbell's ideas were first disclosed?


*********************************************************
4th of july 2007 was the first time it hit ten new's here in OZ.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Grumage on July 12, 2014, 08:49:07 PM
Dear All.

I present a short video of our drive motor being connected to a run capacitor of twice the normal value.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cev0Z9rKvag

Any suggestions as to what might be happening ??

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Farmhand on July 13, 2014, 12:05:42 AM
I had a similar thing happen with my split phase induction motor, my motor has two windings the same and the capacitor is a
start/run capacitor which stays in series with one of the windings.

It was a long time ago and I was connecting capacitors in different ways when it happened.

I think the phases are fighting each other when that happens. And basically the motor shaft gets almost stopped dead for a short
time before being powered again causing the belt to be driven in a stop start kind of way which makes it flap and slap.

When I did it the effect was quite violent, I wish I could remember exactly how I connected the capacitors but I cannot and I didn't
record it as it was unwanted.

Did you disconnect the start capacitor before connecting the run cap or does the motor do that itself. Or is it a spit phase motor
and not a start then run motor.

Some motors are designed so that the "start" capacitor remains in place and becomes the run capacitor. If the two windings are
identical it can be used as a motor with a permanently connected capacitor which acts as the start and the run capacitor.

If a start capacitor is used to get a difference of phase in the currents in the windings then when the motor is up to speed that
entire winding can be disconnected and the motor will run on one winding.

The start and run capacitors should go on the same winding. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_motor

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Permanent-split capacitor motor[edit]
Another variation is the permanent-split capacitor (PSC) motor (also known as a capacitor start and run motor).[19] This motor operates similarly to the capacitor-start motor described above, but there is no centrifugal starting switch,[19] and what correspond to the "start" windings (second windings) are permanently connected to the power source (through a run capacitor), along with the run windings.[19] PSC motors are frequently used in air handlers, blowers, and fans (including ceiling fans) and other cases where variable speeds are desired.

A capacitor that ranges from 1 to 100 microfarads is connected in series with the start (auxiliary) winding and remains in the circuit during the entire run cycle.[19] The start and run windings are identical in a reversible motor,[19] and reverse motion can be achieved by reversing the wiring of the 2 windings,[19] causing the other winding to be connected through the capacitor, and therefore act as the "start" winding. Non-reversible motors have smaller, thinner start windings, similar to non-reversible split phase motors. By changing taps on the running winding but keeping the load constant, the motor can be made to run at different speeds.

Three-phase motors can be converted to PSC motors by making common two windings and connecting the third via a capacitor to act as a start winding. However, the power rating needs to be at least 50% larger than for a comparable single-phase motor due to an unused winding.

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Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: tinman on July 13, 2014, 03:08:59 AM
Dear All.

I present a short video of our drive motor being connected to a run capacitor of twice the normal value.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cev0Z9rKvag

Any suggestions as to what might be happening ??

Cheers Grum.
Hi Grum
The caps are sized to split the single phase to close as possable to 90*,so as you have 2 phases. By increasing the cap size,you have thrown the second phase out,and now i would say that the motor is trying to reverse on that second phase,due to angle change of the second phase. This is why the belt is flapping around,and you are drawing much more power.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: tinman on July 13, 2014, 03:12:56 AM
@ Grum

If you have a heap of cap's close to the original value,try different combination's,and you will be able to drop the power draw of the motor at loaded/running speed,as these cheap motors are made to a !close enough/good enough! cap value. They can be tuned to a much better cap value.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: ARMCORTEX on July 13, 2014, 03:48:27 AM
GRUM, you must choose.

The pulse by belt tension or mismatch starting cap.

Why do you think both makes sense ?
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: tinman on July 13, 2014, 07:27:16 AM
Using the wrong cap is a step backward's-look at the power input increase  :o
I would go with an off set center on the pully,with counter ballance. This will cause the belt to go tight and loose (drive/no drive) every revolution,without adding to the power consumption.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Grumage on August 09, 2014, 08:59:53 PM
Dear All.

A rather "Heath Robinson" attempt at the Harold Aspden effect !!  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m85GS5APXfk

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: ARMCORTEX on August 11, 2014, 06:43:14 AM
Here is my dissection. one big jpeg

Grum, you may find this painful, but I think you have some salvaging to do, if not total makeover.

http://www.filedropper.com/dissection

We need to... think widely, expect the unexpected, observe carefully, keep an open mind.
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: dvy1214 on December 03, 2014, 05:21:45 AM
Even if one could build a perfect system complete with magnetic bearings, 96% efficient motor/gen set, vacuum, and tuned RPM of total system to individual motor/gen phase it doesn't matter how many pulleys or flywheels you add. What a flywheel provides in mechanical capacitance requires in energetic exertion to gain the purchase of x ft/lbs over x duration. In other words all a flywheel in an electrical motor/gen set buys you is time, just like in an internal combustion engine. And to address the pulley fantasies that I have seen pop up, just stop. FT/LB! FT/LB! FT/LB! all a pulley grants your is more feet for less pounds!

 Notice you rarely see someone willing to put their energy device in a video for 2.5 hrs running a load in corner of a white washed garage with no conduits what so ever? I would watch every minute. But it won't be there because as far as I can see there are some very simple laws being looked over in every electromechanical "OU" device out of hope which gives way to human delusion. The greatest energy delusion, one that I have fallen into twice is the idea that parametric oscillation in some way shape or form is representing un-exerted energy or free balance. THAT IS ALL A CHAS CAMPBELL machine is. @tinman I commend you for pointing out the fact for people on parametric oscillation. In the Chas Campbell case, someone go build a 165 KW(220HP)(what a good automobile needs) version then hook it up to a 150KW AC motor and let me know how long it drives the car for before the flywheel can't buy it more time after you start it with a wall plug?

Not a neigh sayer, just probably want this more than you.

 ???

- David

Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Abt on February 01, 2015, 12:01:59 AM
Hi All,
I'm new here and did not read the whole thread. I coincidently stumbled over one effect I noticed on my very old lathe.
Look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QCqqgc437I
This is definitely a flywheel effect. I had taken out the motor and checked it very precisely, it's just a normal induktion motor. You can read the amperage
on the meter (bit hard to see but possible). I noticed the effect when I was working on the machine just at higher speed, strangewise the rpm went up under load. Then I checked the amperage - it went down. It does not happen when I put the load on the outside of the chuck jaw, only when I brake it down in the middle. The bearings are old but in good condition, it makes no sense to me that the the wood could release them.
Thoughts are welcome...
Abt
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: gyulasun on February 02, 2015, 12:28:28 PM
Hello Abt,

I think the speed up of the lathe motor happens because when you brake the chuck on its middle (at the axle) part  you give a certain lifting force to the whole chuck, reducing its actural weigth a little so the motor senses less drag due to the less weight of the rotated chuck.

When you break the chuck on its outside jaw, the lifting force is missing but you now create an extra sideway force which causes an extra drag on the motor by actually hampering its rotation.

A friend of mine added: that is a babbitt bearing headstock as you can tell by the little covers where you put oil in... and belt drive. The force from the belt is down so he is lifting the shaft up, removing the downward force against the babbitt.
He would get somewhat the same effect when taking a cut as the material tried to ride upwards on the tool bit.

Gyula


Hi All,
I'm new here and did not read the whole thread. I coincidently stumbled over one effect I noticed on my very old lathe.
Look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QCqqgc437I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QCqqgc437I)
This is definitely a flywheel effect. I had taken out the motor and checked it very precisely, it's just a normal induktion motor. You can read the amperage
on the meter (bit hard to see but possible). I noticed the effect when I was working on the machine just at higher speed, strangewise the rpm went up under load. Then I checked the amperage - it went down. It does not happen when I put the load on the outside of the chuck jaw, only when I brake it down in the middle. The bearings are old but in good condition, it makes no sense to me that the the wood could release them.
Thoughts are welcome...
Abt
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: mscoffman on February 02, 2015, 01:23:46 PM
Guys:

Satellites don't use flywheels for power.  If somebody believes that they should task themselves to learn about what they are really used for.

MileHigh
.

As far as I know this is correct. They are called reaction wheels. They allow precise repointing of the spacecraft around it's cg without using up any propellant.
Unfortunately, they are not very mechanically reliable. Batteries are much better. Space reaction wheel spin down as they do because spacecraft pointing is pretty
important to antenna alignment during the ecliptic time when they don't receive energy from solar panels.

 
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: Abt on February 02, 2015, 09:14:29 PM
Hello Abt,

I think the speed up of the lathe motor happens because when you brake the chuck on its middle (at the axle) part  you give a certain lifting force to the whole chuck, reducing its actural weigth a little so the motor senses less drag due to the less weight of the rotated chuck.

When you break the chuck on its outside jaw, the lifting force is missing but you now create an extra sideway force which causes an extra drag on the motor by actually hampering its rotation.

A friend of mine added: that is a babbitt bearing headstock as you can tell by the little covers where you put oil in... and belt drive. The force from the belt is down so he is lifting the shaft up, removing the downward force against the babbitt.
He would get somewhat the same effect when taking a cut as the material tried to ride upwards on the tool bit.

Gyula

Hello Gyula,
thank you for your thoughts.
I was thinking in the same direction but: I can brake the chuck jaw from top too and see the same effect. Your explanation might be partly right as the acceleration is a wee bit stronger when I brake it from bottom or sidewise but is still there when don from top side. More ideas?
Thanks
Abt
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: gyulasun on February 03, 2015, 12:46:55 PM
Hi Abt,

Well, I still think that the belt drive exerts a pulling force onto the shaft on the left hand side end (the chuck is on the right hand side end) and this tension (the vertical component of the force from the belt drive) is reduced when you start pushing down the end of the shaft where the chuck is. This way you kind of compensate for the tension force created by the pull force component of the belt drive. Here I suppose the belt drive pulls downwards or sidewise down at the left hand side of the shaft. 
If you could exert a push with the wood onto the shaft (where the chuck is) from the opposite angle the bell drive is actually positioned  i.e. 180 degree with respect to the pulling direction of the belt drive) then you would receive the smallest current draw possible I think, provided you exert similar pushing force like the actual pulling force that the belt exerts on the shaft.

I do not think the speed up effect comes from any motor anomaly.

Gyula
Title: Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
Post by: ltseung888 on February 24, 2015, 07:00:31 PM
Use Unbalanced Cylinders as in the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier.

Go to the Milkovic thread (search using 12 times) for details.