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Author Topic: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower  (Read 116319 times)

Offline a.king21

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #90 on: January 17, 2014, 07:48:44 AM »
To encourage you all: - Tesla did this with his earthquake machine, when he tested it on the New  York 10 storey skyscraper.
There are some rules: The input must be separated as much as possible from the output to avoid a feedback loop.
So a loose coupling is required. Even better if it mechanically connects and disconnects with every revolution.
Tesla never forgot this lesson and took it into the Colorado Springs experiments - with his resonant rise loosely coupled extra coil.
Please note:- Tesla's resonant rise is not today's definition.

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #91 on: January 17, 2014, 12:33:38 PM »
 ;) http://www.overunity.com/2487/chas-campbell-free-power-motor/msg94133/#msg94133
I  got curious  about this  thread and started reading I got  up to page 15  I take from this page that   everyone  has  written off the  flywheel  idea.The  skeptics  here  will say that they  are just  trying to keep people from  reinventing  the wheel .I think that chances are  that  the group here has UNinvented   the wheel   I  remember   many  years ago before I had any intrerest  in  saving   energy   there was a guy  on TV   with   a very simple  flywheel  based  machine  that he  said made   extra energy .       This  guy  explained   that  he had  built the  original    machine  with   spare parts   and  it worked very  well He then  built  a  better looking   version  . .........but the  new   version didn't  have any extra power.  He  said he  spent monthis  trying to figure out why the  original  machine  just thrown together   created extra power and the carefully  built  new machine   made no extra power at  all .    Then  one day  he  decided that  it was  time to change the  belt on the original   machine .     With a new  belt  tensioned  propperly  the original machine  no  longer  produced  any  extra energy . After playing  with the  tension  he got  the original  machine  to   start producing  extra energy again .   He loosened  the  fan  belt untill  it started   bouncing  a  little .   He  did the same with the  his new  version and it  started producing   extra power  too . He  he had the  camera zoom in and show  the  belt . ......it was clearly  not  running  smooth   it  was  it bounced  quit  a bit .......making the motor  pull hard then  idle      Pulses  of power was the secret  .   He  also  said that  he  found  it almost impossable  to get  engineer  types to  understand  this .   "they  always  insist on belts bing tight ."

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #92 on: January 17, 2014, 03:20:21 PM »
;) http://www.overunity.com/2487/chas-campbell-free-power-motor/msg94133/#msg94133
I  got curious  about this  thread and started reading I got  up to page 15  I take from this page that   everyone  has  written off the  flywheel  idea.The  skeptics  here  will say that they  are just  trying to keep people from  reinventing  the wheel .I think that chances are  that  the group here has UNinvented   the wheel   I  remember   many  years ago before I had any intrerest  in  saving   energy   there was a guy  on TV   with   a very simple  flywheel  based  machine  that he  said made   extra energy .       This  guy  explained   that  he had  built the  original    machine  with   spare parts   and  it worked very  well He then  built  a  better looking   version  . .........but the  new   version didn't  have any extra power.  He  said he  spent monthis  trying to figure out why the  original  machine  just thrown together   created extra power and the carefully  built  new machine   made no extra power at  all .    Then  one day  he  decided that  it was  time to change the  belt on the original   machine .     With a new  belt  tensioned  propperly  the original machine  no  longer  produced  any  extra energy . After playing  with the  tension  he got  the original  machine  to   start producing  extra energy again .   He loosened  the  fan  belt untill  it started   bouncing  a  little .   He  did the same with the  his new  version and it  started producing   extra power  too . He  he had the  camera zoom in and show  the  belt . ......it was clearly  not  running  smooth   it  was  it bounced  quit  a bit .......making the motor  pull hard then  idle      Pulses  of power was the secret  .   He  also  said that  he  found  it almost impossable  to get  engineer  types to  understand  this .   "they  always  insist on belts bing tight ."

Hi Wings
As you will see from my youtube chanel,i am all for finding the free energy machine-and have spent many years looking and building. But the answer is not in the Qmogen type machine's. This is just yet another of Stirling's rubbish machine's,that if the past is any thing to go on,he's hopeing to make a quid out of.

Now ,about this slipping belt thing-what dose a slipping belt cause?. It causes heat,and heat is yet another loss in a system where an electrical output is wanted.

There is one way to put this to bed once and for all-build one that runs itself,and we'll all believe. So far,not one person has done this,with the proof to back it up-not one.

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #93 on: January 17, 2014, 03:30:58 PM »
To encourage you all: - Tesla did this with his earthquake machine, when he tested it on the New  York 10 storey skyscraper.
There are some rules: The input must be separated as much as possible from the output to avoid a feedback loop.
So a loose coupling is required. Even better if it mechanically connects and disconnects with every revolution.
Tesla never forgot this lesson and took it into the Colorado Springs experiments - with his resonant rise loosely coupled extra coil.
Please note:- Tesla's resonant rise is not today's definition.

The earth quake machine was just a mechanical resonant oscillator. Works the same way as pushing a child on a swing-very little force required to move a large mass-when in resonance.
But here's the down fall= If an equal and opposite force is applied,the net result is zero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKW03jo9RJQ

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #94 on: January 17, 2014, 03:36:41 PM »
Hi Wings
As you will see from my youtube chanel,i am all for finding the free energy machine-and have spent many years looking and building. But the answer is not in the Qmogen type machine's. This is just yet another of Stirling's rubbish machine's,that if the past is any thing to go on,he's hopeing to make a quid out of.

Now ,about this slipping belt thing-what dose a slipping belt cause?. It causes heat,and heat is yet another loss in a system where an electrical output is wanted.

There is one way to put this to bed once and for all-build one that runs itself,and we'll all believe. So far,not one person has done this,with the proof to back it up-not one.
long time ... also for me .... FE research is my spiritual path
the comments was not regarding slipping belt but regarding the speed oscillation due to the low transmission rigidity, as you can see the mass of inertia of this type of system is quite large one of the rules of FE is to not kill the source so the delay due to the rotational speed oscillation can be the solution.

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #95 on: January 17, 2014, 03:45:47 PM »
Here you go guy's-the whole shebang.
So who is building what?

http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapter4.pdf

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #96 on: January 17, 2014, 04:26:14 PM »
Tinman
Not fair posting "Larry's" efforts ...........
 
However it is good to know you have not played with the loose belt theory ,
 
{Finally found something you haven't touched yet]  8)
 
I like Wings TV add guy's story , seems an honest possibility or A definate Maybe !
the idea of running a loose belt would get your knuckles wrapped in must garages
counter intuitive ,,,,,,,
Worth a good try I would say?
 
Thx
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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #97 on: January 17, 2014, 05:43:16 PM »
That's crazy to see a 15% increase in efficiency from basically wind resistance but that's why NASA uses flywheels in satellites for power and they got the money for frictionless system and they are in space.  Glad we could all give them the tax dollars so we can all try and figure out what they did.  I think there is something to a vortex system to move electrons through magnetic fields or something.  Could I possibly get an antigravity effect from this?  Idk how the system would work or what it would look like at all but I can see the electrons moving in whatever way you want as long as it based on something natural like a vortex.  Could It be done with no moving parts.  Hopefully somebody understands all this better than I do.  Thanks. E=mc2 or 2=mc

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #98 on: January 17, 2014, 05:56:37 PM »
So the Tesla earthquake machine is 2 to 5 watts in:- millions of watts out as substantiated by Verpies.
Applying the same technique to the motor gen principle you can also add this; (as per the picture below) but the Bedini will have to be modified to
incorporate a loose coupling. This is the famous Bedini-Watson machine.

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #99 on: January 17, 2014, 07:05:08 PM »
Guys:

Satellites don't use flywheels for power.  If somebody believes that they should task themselves to learn about what they are really used for.

There is no "earthquake machine" if that has it's roots in the published story about the small device that allegedly shook an entire building.  That's nothing more than "Yellow Journalism," another worthwhile investigation.

For Bedini, 30 years later and no "qmogen" in sight???  Put him on Sterling's list!

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #100 on: January 17, 2014, 07:35:01 PM »
NASA uses flywheels as batteries in some satellites it charges for 60minutes on the sunny side and it takes 30 minutes to go around the dark side.  The wheel has a spin time of 90minutes.  Do your research before you tell me and others that I'm wrong. And if you don't think that matching frequency or resonance can have pretty substantial effects you shouldn't be voicing your opinion.  You can lift large masses just by matching the frequency you produce and the object.  How do you think all these ancient city's where built.  They had to lift things that we would have trouble with today and not to mention in very precarious places that even modern equipment could not get to(machupichu).  Don't just shut stuff down based on what u read. Have you replicated an earthquake machine?  If not make one, then call us crazy. Think outside the box. 

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #101 on: January 17, 2014, 07:53:48 PM »
Dear All.

I would like to thank all the contributors both for and against !!  :)

Being undaunted and more importantly getting a 5 Kva alternator to play with for free!! I am going to have a real go at this project. We shall see which group will then have the privilege of saying "I TOLD YOU SO !!;D

My secret weapon, was secret before I provided the sketch below  :). A mechanical belt pulsing arrangement. I have also got a "Sprag clutch bearing" like a one way drive, may also be incorporated.

Please wish me luck whichever side of the fence you are currently sitting on.

Cheers Grum.

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #102 on: January 17, 2014, 07:57:50 PM »
That sounds like the system I was looking to achieve.  Please post your findings.  I and I'm sure many others would love to see this work.  Then we can all power our houses or whatever.  Wish you had dc motors only cuz that's what I have and haven't gotten any clear answers as to if it would be better as the motor or generator but o well.  Very interested in your results.  Thanks

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #103 on: January 18, 2014, 02:35:51 AM »
That sounds like the system I was looking to achieve.  Please post your findings.  I and I'm sure many others would love to see this work.  Then we can all power our houses or whatever.  Wish you had dc motors only cuz that's what I have and haven't gotten any clear answers as to if it would be better as the motor or generator but o well.  Very interested in your results.  Thanks


I always like to encourage experiments as it always means something will be learned. No overunity will come from any motor, pulley, flywheel arrangement. I really admire your enthusiasm but you really did choose a great name for yourself here. I think you should visit Sterling Allans Freeenergy  news he is always looking for new blood to extract some money from like yourself.


Do not take this the wrong way I like everyone here, I just do not want people to have false expectations that is all and to all the experimenters I salute you


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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #104 on: January 18, 2014, 02:59:30 AM »
Tinman
Not fair posting "Larry's" efforts ...........
 
However it is good to know you have not played with the loose belt theory ,
 
{Finally found something you haven't touched yet]  8)
 
I like Wings TV add guy's story , seems an honest possibility or A definate Maybe !
the idea of running a loose belt would get your knuckles wrapped in must garages
counter intuitive ,,,,,,,
Worth a good try I would say?
 
Thx
Chet
Who is Larry?,and what did i post that was his?.

Loose belt theory-no need to try,as the results are already known through over 30 years of mechanical/engineering experiance.
Loose belts cause the following.
Vibration--this equals electrical energy loss-energy transformation.
Heat through slip friction--this equals electrical energy loss-energy transformation.
Squealing/noise--this equals electrical energy loss-energy transformation.

Next problem with slipping belts is getting accurate P/in and P/out measurements.If the belt is loose and jumping/grabing, this means that the motor will see a load that is like a pulsed system. At one time (when the belt grabs)the motor will have a load applied to it,the next second,the belt slips or jumps,and the motor sees no load.How to accurately measure P/in while this is happening?. You only have to start up a car with a slipping belt,and you can hear some of your mechanical energy being turned into sound energy-and i bet the radiator fan is turning slower aswell,than it would if the belt was tight.

deanc5000 is going about it the right way-build and try with an open mind to the outcome.

My prediction on the outcome of his tests.
Tight belt-power drawn from system will directly reflect on the P/in of the system.And this will be at a loss.A constant load on the P/out should see the watt meter read a steady P/in,and RPM settle to a steady state-depending on P/out load.

Slipping/jumping belt-If the belt jumps(oscillates between grabbing and slipping),then the watt meter will not read a steady P/in,and P/out will be lower with the same constant load applied as in with the first test with tight belt.RPM of the flywheel will likely be lower aswell,and may even slowly decline.
If the belt just slips without the jumping,then the P/in on the watt meter will remain steady,and will probably read less than the P/in was with the tight belt and applied load. But the P/out will also be less,and the flywheel will slowly decrease in RPM until it reaches an equilibrium with the applied load.Squealing may also be heard,thus meaning some of the P/in is being converted into noise energy.

I sincerely hope that some one here proves me and the other naysayer wrong about any of the Qmogen system's.
I await to see deanc5000's result's,and encourage all to continue with there experiment's,and not just take my word on the outcome's.

Quote Chet: However it is good to know you have not played with the loose belt theory ,
 Please see video's and reserch on Luc's reactive generator thread-belt was indeed slipping on my setup a couple of time's,which resulted in lower P/out,and Lower P/in.

Cheers
Brad

 

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