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Author Topic: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower  (Read 121022 times)

Offline ariovaldo

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #75 on: January 15, 2014, 07:38:49 PM »

That is incorrect they were all shown not to have overunity and all suffered from measurement errors. the Overunity effect was from stored energy or the flywheel effect.
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Ok. As an old guy with engineering background I built that for funny and also to keep my mind working. In fact I didn't expected and I didn't see any energy leftover, but as a curious human being  I built anyway and I confess that I learned a lot.
I'm not too old to try and not dumb to learn.


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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #76 on: January 15, 2014, 10:29:48 PM »
Dear Mark.

Is it me or do you contradict yourself ?    "the Overunity effect was from stored energy or the flywheel effect"

Could you elucidate please?

Cheers Grum.

Hi Grum
I believe Mark is refering to the missunderstanding by the builder. Chas see's his 750 watt motor running a 2000 watt drop saw,and thinks he has an overunity machine. But what he(and many others) fail to take into account is that the stored energy within the flywheel is becomeing less and less-the flywheel is slowing down,while the prime mover has to work harder to keep the flywheel up to speed.

If it take's 10 000 joule's of energy to get the flywheel up to 1000rpm,then there is only 10 000 joules of energy avaliable in that flywheel(minus friction losses)-never more. Every device runs at unity if all energy outputs are taken into account-as energy cannot be created or destroyed.

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #77 on: January 15, 2014, 10:58:51 PM »
Hi Grum
I believe Mark is refering to the missunderstanding by the builder. Chas see's his 750 watt motor running a 2000 watt drop saw,and thinks he has an overunity machine. But what he(and many others) fail to take into account is that the stored energy within the flywheel is becomeing less and less-the flywheel is slowing down,while the prime mover has to work harder to keep the flywheel up to speed.

If it take's 10 000 joule's of energy to get the flywheel up to 1000rpm,then there is only 10 000 joules of energy avaliable in that flywheel(minus friction losses)-never more. Every device runs at unity if all energy outputs are taken into account-as energy cannot be created or destroyed.

Most definitely on the part I made bold, When all inputs, losses and outputs are considered we must have unity or something must be created from nothing or destroyed from existence which will not happen.

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #77 on: January 15, 2014, 10:58:51 PM »
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Offline a.king21

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #78 on: January 15, 2014, 11:20:45 PM »
Tinman:  How do you know energy cannot be created or destroyed?

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #79 on: January 16, 2014, 12:01:30 AM »
I can't speak for Tinman, But the way I see it to create energy would require something to be added to the Universe, but since the Universe is everything, there is nowhere or nothing from which anything else can come. To destroy energy would be to remove something from existence to somewhere else that does not exist.

The Universe is everything, there is nothing outside or other than the Universe, Rather than use the word Universe we could just say "everything that exists".

It's not possible to get something from a place that does not exist in order to add it to the Universe.

Saying you can "create" energy is like saying you are like a God. If God is real, God is within the Universe or within everything that exists. There is nowhere else.

When we think on it enough we come to a point where we realize that actual infinity is incomprehensible. How to visualize infinity. At some point we must realize that as best we can understand everything is already in existence and always was, negating time as a real thing. Time is how we define a period of existence. Existence is eternal.

If one was to actually create energy from nothing then something would be added (from nowhere/non existence) to everything that already exists. Obviously an impossibility. Hence it is Law as I see it.

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Just because we may not be aware of a certain "energy" or thing or place does not mean it is not in existence. Things don't come into existence as we become aware of them.
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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #80 on: January 16, 2014, 12:43:43 AM »
The law of entropy contradicts the conservation law.
The universe is expanding, therefore a continuous energetic expansion.
The conservation law was formulated at a time when physicists though the universe
was a steady state. They were wrong.  That's why science is exciting.
Believe nothing; verify everything; is my motto.
The electron has been orbiting the nucleus for 13.5 billion years(?) or so science says.
Some perpetual motion machine - which never needs plugging in.

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #81 on: January 16, 2014, 05:46:03 AM »
The known Universe may be expanding but what of what we do not know ? What is the Universe expanding into ? A weather balloon expands as it rises in the atmosphere.

Seems to me the scientists are just making assumptions based on what they know or can observe. What they do not know and observe dwarfs what they do know.

I'm not touting the Laws of Thermodynamics, I saying what appears to be logical to me.

Everything that ever was has always been in existence in some form. And it has been always, there is no beginning and no end, in the big scheme of things over many many gazzilions of years the Universe will not disappear into nothing and nothing will appear out of nowhere. Is how I see it and it is an assumption based on logic.

None of us can say for sure, but all the evidence points to the inability to create energy or matter from nothing. No one can show it.

Show me a box full of absolutely nothing, no air no gasses nothing, an absolute vacuum, with not one single hydrogen atom,energy or anything in it and then explain how we could bring forth something from that box without adding anything to it, no energy or matter at all.

Just showing a box full of nothing is impossible. As far as I know it is not possible to create an absolute vacuum, and space is not an absolute vacuum. There is an accepted level of vacuum, that cannot be passed as far as I am aware.

The big bang was not the beginning of everything because nothing cannot go bang, there needs to be something there to go bang to begin with, this is an axiom.

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Scientists make theories and try to prove them using numbers and such. When they think they have proof they make it an accepted theory, still a theory.

Science is not an exact science. No pun intended.

How could nothing all of a sudden go bang and spring forth a Universe out of nothingness or non existence. Everything in the Universe which should really be called the Omniverse always was in existence. I see no other logical explanation. Religious people say God created everything but who created God.

If God can create things from nothing could he have created himself from nothing ? Or brought himself into existence from absolutely nothing.

In my opinion there is no such thing as "nothing" by definition.

..It's word soup I know but there is a truth in there that in my opinion cannot be overlooked.

Come to think of it a box containing a vacuum would have significant potential as I imagine it, as would be witnessed if it was punctured in the atmosphere.

A vacuum can be discharged. Or an evacuated vessel may be discharged or however it may be termed.

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Dimensions are another weird thing, a so called three dimensional box can be measured in many dimensions.

When we move our hand about in space no real dimensional barriers are crossed. Dimensions are for measurements. They are mental constructs, not real things. Same as time.

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #82 on: January 16, 2014, 10:54:00 AM »
Quote a.king21: The universe is expanding, therefore a continuous energetic expansion.

How do they know the universe is expanding,when they dont know how big the universe is?. Dose the universe have an end?, if not,then how do they know it is expanding?. They asume it's expanding because the galaxies are picking up speed,and moving further apart from one another-but from which frame of reference?. It is thought this is because of the big attractor-a large cluster of galaxies pulling in the known galaxies.

Thinking about the universe having an end or not,is enough to tear your head apart. What would the end of the universe be?-a solid wall (like we are all in a giant fish bowl) or just nothingness. Maybe we just end up going in a big circle,and end up right back where we started from- a looped system.

Quote: The law of entropy contradicts the conservation law.

There is no law of entropy,it is the second law of thermodynamics.
The first is- energy is not created or destroyed.
The third is-absolute zero cannot be achieved.

Quote: In traditional thermodynamics, entropy is a measure of the amount of energy in a closed system that is no longer available to effect changes in that system. A system is closed when no energy is being added to or removed from it, and energy becomes unavailable not by leaving the system, but by becoming irretrievably disordered, as a consequence of the laws of statistical mechanics. But even though the total amount of energy that is irretrievably disordered will increase, this does not mean order cannot increase somewhere else in that same system. This is where confusion arises. Of course, entropy can be measured in an open system, too, but this introduces additional variables, and of course the Second Law then no longer applies. But even when the Second Law applies, it is still possible for a closed system to produce order, even highly elaborate order, so long as there is a greater increase in disorder somewhere else in the system.


Even when matter and antimatter come together and annihilate one another into non existance,there energies are transformed,not destroyed.

Quote: The electron has been orbiting the nucleus for 13.5 billion years(?) or so science says.
Some perpetual motion machine - which never needs plugging in.

Cool-so what happens if we draw energy from this perpetual motion machine?-better still,how do we do it?.

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #83 on: January 16, 2014, 04:15:02 PM »
The electron has been orbiting the nucleus for 13.5 billion years(?) or so science says.

Yes. This is one good example.

The energy is no more or less in closed system.
But  perfectly closed system not exist in the Universe. ;-)
Use the tricks: gravitational force, magnetic repelling and the power of resonance.
We need a machine only that gives us electricity and/or heat from 1 to 20kw.

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #84 on: January 16, 2014, 04:19:59 PM »
Brilliant Reply Tinman
Still applauding
Mark

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #85 on: January 16, 2014, 05:27:40 PM »
So would there be anyway to collect static or some other form of energy from the surrounding area of the machine.  It seems like there mite be some better ways of getting overunity.  I am probably just going to start building a 5kw axial flux generator and c where it goes from there.  Idk about continuing with the chas campbell design cuz from all the info on this site and on google make me feel like there should be no moving parts and collect everything from the environment around me. Maybe a vawt or a recirculating water wheel system.

I'm glad to see many more objective minds on this site.  That's what I came here for.  Thanks

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #86 on: January 16, 2014, 05:45:41 PM »
So would there be anyway to collect static or some other form of energy from the surrounding area of the machine.  It seems like there mite be some better ways of getting overunity.  I am probably just going to start building a 5kw axial flux generator and c where it goes from there.  Idk about continuing with the chas campbell design cuz from all the info on this site and on google make me feel like there should be no moving parts and collect everything from the environment around me. Maybe a vawt or a recirculating water wheel system.

I'm glad to see many more objective minds on this site.  That's what I came here for.  Thanks
You can always develop the design into the Bedini  "Watson" machine.

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #87 on: January 16, 2014, 07:00:45 PM »
That's kinda what I'm leaning towards.  I was actually just looking into the designs for those.  Seems like some how we need to get away from moving parts or learn to optimize the movements in moving parts.  Or maybe find the shapes that channel natural energy in our environment(vortex).  Has anybody seen one of those actually powering a house?  I saw one replica that was running a 5kw ac unit.  That's more than enough for anything in a house.

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #88 on: January 16, 2014, 11:48:54 PM »
Hey No Clue, i happen to believe in the vortex as a possible aid to collecting excess energy. They are a natural example of self organizing matter. What if you allowed the vortex to self organize then disrupted it at the right moment to capture the kinetic energy? I have a turbine project started and I am using some of Schaubergers ideas to reduce friction in rotating systems. So far I can create a partial vacuum around an open air rotating disc rotor that reduces the current draw of the prime mover by about 15%. Basically turning the whole rotor into a double sided Laval nozzle. Its still early and I have more work to do but Ill eventually add a sealed cover so I can test heavier gasses like sulfur hexafluoride. This gas reaches its speed of sound at only 70m/s. So what happens to a vortex when the core reaches the sound barrier? I intend to find out. For one thing, any acoustic pressure waves can only propagate in the downstream direction. Like its an acoustic rectifier. I also plan to allow the system to resonate at its natural frequency. These are all the phenomena that were probably going on in the Schauberger designs. Whether they worked or not I can not say, but its too intriguing for me to ignore. I wonder what he could have accomplished today with computer simulation , cnc manufacturing, composite materials, 3D printing, etc, etc.

I did not plan to self loop the motor and generator in my design but it would only take an hour or so to do it. I am very skeptical about the so called mo gen loopers. Maybe because electron pressure (voltage) is spongy and some mechanical couplings (belts) can slip or exhibit spongyness, some resonance is set up. Naaa, i doubt it.

An early test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qfrA978QAU

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #89 on: January 17, 2014, 06:16:31 AM »
Dear Mark.

This statement in itself  also begs questions!! Who's replications ?? Another question I have, did Chas Campbell's device self run ?? Was this witnessed??

Please be aware that I am not being confrontational. I, like you, would really like to believe that something might work !! This is the major reason for being a member of OU.Com after all !!  :)

Cheers Grum.


Hi Grum
It did self run when it was run up to speed but was witnessed to slow down as the energy stored was consumed to overcome  friction. When a load was placed on it without any other energy source it would slow down and stop pretty quickly.


I know people who were very sympathetic and wanted to believe in this that did go and see it first hand and were disappointed and realized it was a combination of measurement errors and stored energy.


I did not see the device first hand but trusted the assessment of the people who did see it.


No one has ever replicated it successfully as has been pointed out by other posters


Kind Regards
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