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Author Topic: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower  (Read 119242 times)

Offline Grumage

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #45 on: January 12, 2014, 08:17:41 PM »
Dear All.

Having spent the best part of last year looking into electronic OU and getting nowhere !! I decided that a change of direction would be a good idea, as I am a better mechanic than an electronic guy !!

As I write I am amassing the parts for a 6.5 Kva alternator based Chas Campbell system.

In my own mind I see a couple of possible areas where OU might become apparent.  In using an AC drive motor with suitable added capacitance to "Mess" with the phase angles ?? Reactive currents.

The other trick, as I see it, is the fact that the "so called" working devices have a very loose coupling between driver and driven !!  ;)  Water wheel??  Remember that one??

And this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6q_l6FpacU  Hydraulic drive !!  ;)

Pulsing?? Simple !! Loose belt and an eccentric roller that is pulled into the belt and tightens it flings it round and does it again and again !! Simples !! However you could just try it with a stick to start with.  :)

Well that's enough for now, I hope I have provided some food for thought??

Cheers Grum.

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #46 on: January 12, 2014, 09:25:24 PM »
How is chas claiming OU if there is none is in his setup?  There are several on YouTube that are powering things that require some real power going to them (drills, saws).  I have done the calculations for kenetic energy stored in the flywheel and it can hold quite a bit.  Also if you consider that if you spin a flywheel that is twice as heavy it only holds twice the energy but if you double the speed of the same wheel it can hold four times the energy.  So how can it not work just because of friction and resistance from the generator side.  With the amount of energy stored in the wheel it would take awhile to slow down that mass even with a large load.  With a small load it would just keep going and if you could apply a large load slowly enough for your motor to recover the speed lost in the wheel cuz of the load, seems to me like it should work.

The load drawn from the flywheel can never exceed the power used to keep the flywheel at a constant speed-!equal and opposite reaction.!

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #47 on: January 12, 2014, 09:58:09 PM »
The load drawn from the flywheel can never exceed the power used to keep the flywheel at a constant speed-!equal and opposite reaction.!

Exactly right.  Also, consider the power used to spin the flywheel up to speed in the first place.  A lot of folks seem to leave this out of the equation.  All a flywheel does is to store (like a battery) "some" of the power used to spin it up.  There are mechanical losses here so it does not even do that totally well.

Bill

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #48 on: January 12, 2014, 10:32:23 PM »

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #49 on: January 12, 2014, 10:38:05 PM »
ACCA posted in Kapanadze thread, but this pic I think shows exactly a fisher & pykel washing machine motor 14 magnet sets and 42 stator coils -

Now Umbreto is driving with fluid - hydro drive

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #50 on: January 13, 2014, 01:20:23 AM »
Exactly right.  Also, consider the power used to spin the flywheel up to speed in the first place.  A lot of folks seem to leave this out of the equation.  All a flywheel does is to store (like a battery) "some" of the power used to spin it up.  There are mechanical losses here so it does not even do that totally well.

Bill
So, How many flywheel devices have you built then?

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #51 on: January 13, 2014, 01:28:58 AM »
Would it be better to use one or a few washer machine motors like the one above for the generator side.  So how can the chas campbell design not work do to friction if that contraption in that video has huge amounts of friction and it runs itself.   

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #52 on: January 13, 2014, 03:22:28 AM »
So, How many flywheel devices have you built then?

Enough to know that you can't change the laws of physics.  Have you built one that uses less energy than you put into it?

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #53 on: January 13, 2014, 06:52:52 AM »
Enough to know that you can't change the laws of physics.  Have you built one that uses less energy than you put into it?

Bill


You are the one making the claims. So I say "prove it".

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #54 on: January 13, 2014, 09:49:00 AM »
ACCA posted in Kapanadze thread, but this pic I think shows exactly a fisher & pykel washing machine motor 14 magnet sets and 42 stator coils -

Now Umbreto is driving with fluid - hydro drive

any info/link about this ?


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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #55 on: January 13, 2014, 11:10:45 AM »
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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #56 on: January 13, 2014, 06:52:43 PM »
!!Quote from the guru him self(Aaron)-There is no such thing as conservation of energy.
What you consider a guru I consider a clown. He is nothing but a censor.

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #57 on: January 13, 2014, 08:57:55 PM »
another viewpoint:
"This is the mechanical overunity motor of Tarieal Kapanadze Part 1. In the German translation it is said, that it also used gravitation. But I guess it just only uses the inertia of the 2 disc. It is said, that the 2 disc are of steel and brass or maybe each disc a double layer of steel and brass and that these disc are connected via a brass wire, that is isolated from the steel shaft."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY#t=60

not two capacitor plates but two rotating mass with a torsional spring that give rotational oscillation of the two disc like the oscillating pendulum the explanation in the middle of this page
http://tarielkapanadze.ru/kelly5-2.htm

Chas Cambel have large Flywheel System and long transmission chain that give same torsional oscillation effect gap and transmission delay help the oscillation
http://www.overunity.com/12464/using-chas-cambel-flywheel-system-for-15-horsepower/dlattach/attach/112139/image//

Raoul Hatem’s heretical statement is that using spinning magnets coupling that probably give rotational oscillation vibration
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Ch2/Fig30.jpg
from
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt2.html


http://www.edn.com/design/analog/4368829/Back-EMF-method-detects-stepper-motor-stall
 Universal motor concepts
[size=78%]Back-EMF method detects stepper-motor stall figure 6BEMF is directly proportional to angular velocity, or armature speed, and motor torque is directly proportional to motor current. The following equation clearly illustrates the relationship between angular velocity and BEMF: BEMF=−N×B×A×ω×sin(ωt), where N is the number of coil turns, B represents the magnetic field, A is the area that the motor’s magnetic field encompasses, ω is the angular velocity, and t is time. Notice that N, B, and A are all constants specific to the motor construction. They never change unless some dramatic entropy is going on. At that point, BEMF detection is the least of your concerns. Aside from the sinusoidal nature of the signal, BEMF is directly proportional to motor speed and nothing else.[/size]
[size=78%]The following equation clearly describes the relationship between motor torque and motor current: T=[(PN)/2π)]φI, where T is torque, N is the number of coil turns, P is the number of poles, φ is the flux, and I is the current. Note again that current and torque are directly proportional to each other. Other factors, including voltage and the temperature’s dependence on the resistivity of copper, can increase or decrease the motor current, which in turn affects the total available torque. However, they do not change the torque-to-current relationship.[/size]

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #58 on: January 13, 2014, 09:45:34 PM »
another viewpoint:
"This is the mechanical overunity motor of Tarieal Kapanadze Part 1. In the German translation it is said, that it also used gravitation. But I guess it just only uses the inertia of the 2 disc. It is said, that the 2 disc are of steel and brass or maybe each disc a double layer of steel and brass and that these disc are connected via a brass wire, that is isolated from the steel shaft."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY#t=60

not two capacitor plates but two rotating mass with a torsional spring that give rotational oscillation of the two disc like the oscillating pendulum the explanation in the middle of this page
http://tarielkapanadze.ru/kelly5-2.htm

Chas Cambel have large Flywheel System and long transmission chain that give same torsional oscillation effect gap and transmission delay help the oscillation
http://www.overunity.com/12464/using-chas-cambel-flywheel-system-for-15-horsepower/dlattach/attach/112139/image//

Raoul Hatem’s heretical statement is that using spinning magnets coupling that probably give rotational oscillation vibration
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Ch2/Fig30.jpg
from
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt2.html


http://www.edn.com/design/analog/4368829/Back-EMF-method-detects-stepper-motor-stall
 Universal motor concepts
[size=78%]Back-EMF method detects stepper-motor stall figure 6BEMF is directly proportional to angular velocity, or armature speed, and motor torque is directly proportional to motor current. The following equation clearly illustrates the relationship between angular velocity and BEMF: BEMF=−N×B×A×ω×sin(ωt), where N is the number of coil turns, B represents the magnetic field, A is the area that the motor’s magnetic field encompasses, ω is the angular velocity, and t is time. Notice that N, B, and A are all constants specific to the motor construction. They never change unless some dramatic entropy is going on. At that point, BEMF detection is the least of your concerns. Aside from the sinusoidal nature of the signal, BEMF is directly proportional to motor speed and nothing else.[/size]
[size=78%]The following equation clearly describes the relationship between motor torque and motor current: T=[(PN)/2π)]φI, where T is torque, N is the number of coil turns, P is the number of poles, φ is the flux, and I is the current. Note again that current and torque are directly proportional to each other. Other factors, including voltage and the temperature’s dependence on the resistivity of copper, can increase or decrease the motor current, which in turn affects the total available torque. However, they do not change the torque-to-current relationship.[/size]

more http://cursos.itcg.edu.mx/libros/Libros%20y%20Manuales%20de%20Ingenieria/Engineering%20Books/Harris__Shock_And_Vibration_Handbook/HARRIS~1.-HA/70811_38.pdf
http://www.engdyn.com/images/uploads/65-torsional_vibration_analysis_-_jcw&frs.pdf


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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #59 on: January 14, 2014, 03:34:53 AM »

You are the one making the claims. So I say "prove it".

I have made no claims.  I am repeating the laws of physics which have been proven over and over again.  If YOU are making a claim that those laws are wrong, then it is YOU that must prove it.  IF you are able to do so, then your Nobel prize awaits.

Bill

 

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