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Author Topic: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower  (Read 115820 times)

Offline thankGod

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Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« on: June 26, 2012, 05:57:43 AM »
All respected members i am going to use chas cambell flywheel energy generator to use in a a big energy system basically i am going to replace the starting motor to 2HP and flywheel to about 100KG and i am thinking to attach a 15HP alternator at the end of this system i need your honest advice to make this system and all the suggestions you have please provide me that my idea is ok and where i need to make changing to make system successful?i will be very thankful to everyone :)

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Offline truesearch

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2012, 05:02:15 PM »
I would like to be proven incorrect on this but I don't believe that your configuration will achieve "overunity".

1) Belt/Pulley loss: the energy-transfer in the diagram uses 3 belt/pulley pairs. This is a fairly high efficiency way of transferring energy but at best it is 98% (average about 95%) so there would be measurable "loss" across those three sections (link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_%28mechanical%29).

2) Generator loss: guessing from the size of your diagram that you would possibly use a vehicle "alternator" type of generator (which generates AC before it is rectified into DC for the automobile use). The best efficiency for an alternator is about 80%. However, 60% is more "normal" (link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_generator).

3) Time: It will take "time" (and electricity) for the 2hp 1,430 rpm motor to "spin-up" and get the 10Kg flywheel upto speed. At that point you would have "stored" energy in the moving flywheel which can be extracted by the AC generator. The generator will "slow down" this flywheel by using the stored energy to generate power.

I like the idea you have presented but would believe that it will "net" less energy "out" that what is put "in".

sincerely,
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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2012, 05:19:28 PM »
Smart Idea.  Yes, from all of my research, I think it will work.
 
1.  I recommend that you use weightlifter weights because the center hole is very precise for good flywheel balance.
     Plus, they are available in all kinds of sizes & weights.
2.  Use a pipe size that fits snugly in the weight center hole, to minimize run-out.
3.  Consider using good ball bearings or roller bearings.  Ebay has excellent low prices.
     Just do an Ebay.com search for Ball Bearings to see what I mean.
4.  Do a web search for  Charles Campbell Free Energy  to get some additional ideas.
5.  Try to ignore Paid TROLLS, that will repeatedly post negative posts & tell you it won't work.
 
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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
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Offline e2matrix

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2012, 06:39:42 PM »
There is a discussion on energeticforum.com going on right now about a device that I believe uses a similar principle.  It has some of the brightest members over there talking about it as the inventor has been given some awards and while the device initially seems to defy logic (as to how it could be COP > 1) it now has some possible explanations by the sharper minds on that thread.  Here:   http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11282-awarded-machine-multiply-force-motor-free-energy.html

So yes I think this device from Chas has potential and always did believe there was something to it despite the negative PR some have given it.  I think it will take some work to get it tuned just right so I would suggest patience is needed in a build like this.  Best of luck.

Offline crazycut06

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2012, 02:04:21 AM »
Why not build his original setup first before trying to up size...


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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
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Offline thankGod

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2012, 08:37:54 AM »
Thanks for every one who directed me to in this matter.

@TrueSearch
Your points are correct and the first that pulley belt loss is less in my system because i only need 1500 RPM at final pulley to run the alternator because my alternator is 1500 rpm alternator so i don't need to place much pulleys and belts between the system to produce much rpm.so it will decrease the energy loss between the pulleys. And there is also a person named jim watson who powered this kind of generation which gained 12kw output after powering itself.

@fatbird
Thanks for your ideas they are really helpful i will try most to achieve benefit from your ideas.And as i am new on this website i dont understand your statement about "PAID TROLLS" and i dont know who they are..

@e2matrix
Same what i am thinking and thanks for good references.And that what i am really focusing on to achieve the final result with patience and accuracy in project by focusing and polishing the concept.

@crazyout
Well that is already proven working so we should try to extend it and increase its capability which is i think possible and after that this system could be used for more power need and jim watson is a example of this concept.

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2012, 08:43:33 AM »
The Chas Cambell flywheel is not an energy generator at all.


The wheel is no more than a mechanical capacitor. It stores the energy coming from the engine.(Rotational energy: E = 1/2 I W^2 where, w is the Angular velocity,I is the moment of inertia around the axis of rotation.E is the kinetic energy.)[/size]


Once the energy is accumulated it can be used back, for instance to run an alternator until its energy has been exhausted and finally the wheel will stop.


No overunity, free energy or similar in this "invention".


But I understand that until you become a mechanical engineer it is extremely difficult to know what is really going on with kind of devices. I have studied mechanical engineering for this very reason (I read the project in two weeks) and now I am very skeptical about free energy by mechanical means.
Maybe by electrical (Tesla) or chemical (HHO)means might be possible.

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
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Offline e2matrix

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2012, 03:38:05 AM »
bugler,  Please look in on the message thread here:     http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11282-awarded-machine-multiply-force-motor-free-energy.html
If you know most of the people discussing it there as well as I do you know there are some brilliant minds discussing how this is possible.  While it is not the same thing it is similar.   I'm not saying I know one way or the other but the fact that it is even being discussed and good theories postulated by some there tells me this requires more than just a quick look. 

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2012, 10:44:51 PM »
I got banned at energeticforum cause I exposed the jewish criminal network behind 911, 7/7, etc. That site is jewish territory.


I think that the wheel is easy enough to replicate so if there were really some merit to the idea we would already know.
I am not saying it is impossible but I really doubt it will ever work.

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2012, 07:22:33 PM »
I think you can still read messages there can't you?  If not and you are interested in what's going on I'll download the pages in a format you can read.   Michael John Nunnerly had some good ideas how it worked.   Other names I know you would recognize were talking about it.  What seems even more amazing about that invention is the inventor is a blind person.  Many people with sight loss develop extraordinary abilities in other areas.  I think it may be worth checking this out.  Here is a post from another place about it:  http://www.deltaworld.org/international/A-Peruvian-blind-creates-a-system-capable-of-move-a-boat-with-the-engine-of-a-car/

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2012, 05:23:23 PM »
Hi.


But this thread is about the Chas Cambel wheel and not the peruvian inventor. Isn't it?


We have the details abuot the wheel but not really much about what the peruvian guy has done. Let's see if we have access to more details ot judge what is all about.

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2012, 05:09:16 PM »
Use bicykel chain

Offline Rafael Ti

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2012, 06:05:42 PM »
The Chas Cambell flywheel is not an energy generator at all.
The wheel is no more than a mechanical capacitor. It stores the energy coming from the engine.
Yes.. it is at least a big mechanical capacitor unless it gives out some extra energy  ;)
Do you guys remember problems people experience with batteries when trying to store some energy? Batteries are big and expensive, unfriendly to environment, they wear out quickly. One can get a big 1000 kg flywheel and use to store energy coming from windmill or solar panels. It is easy to "charge" a wheel speeding it up when we have access to energy and then reuse it's inertia when there is no wind or sun.

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2012, 10:05:50 PM »
It is easy to "charge" a wheel speeding it up when we have access to energy and then reuse it's inertia when there is no wind or sun.
Wheels are bad batteries. Friction will stop them in a few seconds.


They are used in rotational machines to absorb energy in a part of the cycle, whe the axis is receiving energy, and give it back in another part of the cycle, when the  axis is not receiving energy. The goal is to keep the rotational speed as constant as possible as if it were receiving energy during the whole cycle.

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Re: Using Chas Cambel Flywheel System For 15 Horsepower
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2012, 03:30:04 AM »
@thankGod

I had done some alternative drawings for that wheel in 2007. Located here;
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Overunity.com%20-%20Forum%20members/chas%20champbell/
click on flywheel2.jpg.

In the original Chas set-up he has a pulley wheel before the flywheel, but after the flywheel he is going directly to the generator wheel. That in my view is not to good. See the alternatives. The Alt#2  - 3,6,9 for me is the best. The rpm counts may not be correct.

Using a car alternator is not a good idea in my view. They are beasts to turns when they start to produce output. It is not a wonder why they use them only in cars that have ample horsepower. Also, in a car the output is not 100% taxed because it is only topping off the battery losses. You are better off using a larger generator at least double the capacity of what you are planning to consume on your prime mover. This way the generator does not have to run at 100% load to provide enough output to match your input.

Also, make sure your flywheel is well balanced by a professional set-up where they put the flywheel on a turning system and digitally measure where the flywheel is off balance. Some metal shops may offer a wheel balancing service.

Lastly, consider putting bearing supports on both sides of your pulley wheels and also on the motor and generator shaft as well to prevent any warping action on the motor bearings, especially during start and stop.

Hope this helps.

wattsup


 

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