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Author Topic: Continuously Flowing Water Theory  (Read 90216 times)

Offline hoppfield

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #90 on: October 30, 2015, 02:21:01 AM »
  Here's a possible smot device. If 2 magnets pull in a steel bearing equally, it could end up sitting between them. If so, the 2dn bsteel bearing could act like a cue ball when both magnets accelerate it into the one caught in a magnetic trap. And if it does, then up a little ramp and roll around to repeat.
 Since this is an invention, if some builds it who is not one of my 3 "friends", a 50/50 split.

edited to add; one is the top view and one is the side view. just point he 2 bearings to the left.

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #91 on: October 30, 2015, 03:26:58 AM »
  You really don't get it, do you ? Water can flow continuously. The object of this thread. But smart people like you and tinselkoala missed it. It is a shame you learned nothing about hydraulics from building a Heron's Fountain.
 And even then, it is nice to be able to see if a static head can be manipulated by hydraulic theory. Yet all tinselkoala was capable of was his heron/zed fountain. He debunked Wayne Travis yet the 2 of you claimed an invention on the same principle. You're smart. I bet you went to school, right ?

edited to correct conjugation

I never claimed an "Invention".  I built a simple replication.  (Look up the definition if you do not know what that means)  TK took it to another level. (No pun intended.)

I did go to school and paid attention and actually graduated.  You should try it sometime.  It might help with your postings.

Bill

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #92 on: October 30, 2015, 03:43:46 AM »
I never claimed an "Invention".  I built a simple replication.  (Look up the definition if you do not know what that means)  TK took it to another level. (No pun intended.)

I did go to school and paid attention and actually graduated.  You should try it sometime.  It might help with your postings.

Bill

   Bill,
  Do you mean when he called it zed ? And that came from Wayne Travis trying to apply the principle behind a coffer dam ?
 That's not another level. The coffer dam was used to help build the Brooklyn Bridge back in the 1880's. How is that taking
 it to another level ?
 I guess you're referring to what he called the Folgers's Instant effect ? The picture attached is a capture I just made after searching Folgers's Instant effect. I find it laughable that you're a moderator. I mean supporting someone with no name and who stalks other members.
 I think the beginning of this thread shows him either stalking or bullying me. And to think he is your friend.
 By the way, I did go to school, that's why I know mechanical engineering. Yet as you posted, if I build a Heron's Fountain under your guidance, then you might think I know something. Your post is still there. And you have no schooling or experience in stuff like this but because you are a moderator in Joule Thief which is a clear violation of the 1st Law of Thermodynamics, I have to accept you know something ? Sorry, I think you're an idiot just like your friends are.

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Offline hoppfield

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #93 on: October 30, 2015, 04:04:35 AM »
   Bill,
  You just put Stefan in a bad position. You do know I went to school for Propulsion Engineering in the U.S. Navy.
  As ab hammer has posted, that's not blacksmithing and as for tinselkoala, who is he ? He's anonymous. And if it is
 the beginning of this thread where he did nothing but harass me, I have posts from both you and tinselkoala for not considering
 my having been educated and having served in the Navy as something that the 3 of you consider credible educational or work experience.
  Since I am a disabled veteran while ab hammer is not, I consider that serious. And that is also why I am building within what is allowed by physics.
 You are simply unbelievable.


 Bill, because your comments were ignorant, I have saved this thread again. I didn't bother you and tinselkoala in Joule Thief, can either of you show that I did ? If not, why have the 2 of you always harassed me ? I think it's because I am willing to work at something and perpetual motion is impossible. Easy way for you guys to look smart, right ? I guess you never will live down your mistake.  :-D

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #94 on: October 30, 2015, 05:13:56 AM »
In case this hasn't been said..."the same vacuum you are depending on to lift the water will keep it from descending ."

exactly.

The force of gravity on the static heads will balance out with the mgh of the water column and no flow will occur.

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Offline hoppfield

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #95 on: October 30, 2015, 05:33:00 AM »
  By having water in the top reservoir drain into a bucket, as the bucket descends it also pumps the
reservoir back up again. And when it nears the bottom of it's travel, it empties into the lower reservoir.
 I think you'll get the basic idea.

 smoky, this one matters more if you go back to the original post. and since I am taking the time to build Mt 125,
 it's relevant to what I am working on. Building tandem bellows is actually a lot of work.

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #96 on: October 30, 2015, 05:38:41 AM »
exactly.

The force of gravity on the static heads will balance out with the mgh of the water column and no flow will occur.

  flow would occur. The water in the chamber with vacuum would drain out.

edited to add; what I was considering with this is the surface area of the water in the chamber with the vacuum in it.
                    trying to apply hydraulic theory with water surface area instead of a pressure head. But without something else
                   creating expansion, surface area doesn't matter.

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« Reply #96 on: October 30, 2015, 05:38:41 AM »
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Offline hoppfield

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #97 on: October 30, 2015, 01:11:45 PM »
exactly.

The force of gravity on the static heads will balance out with the mgh of the water column and no flow will occur.

  With this design, if the top reservoir were a pump, then when reservoir "A" is full, it would operate the pump at the top.
 There would need to be a reservoir between the pump (top reservoir) and reservoir "A". This would allow the secondary reservoir (not shown)
to close the top pump (bellow?). In a way, it would be like building a better mouse trap but could work. It would be a stationary type
perpetual motion machine where different parts would move to perform work. If you want, I could do a drawing to show you what I am talking about. In some ways, it almost makes Bessler's Mt 125 seem simpler but some people might find it more interesting.
 I changed the drawing quick like. If A empties into B, B can tilt down on it's right. This would close A. When this happens, a drain in B can open,
this would fill C. As C drops, it opens A (expands or operates a pump) and when C reaches it's lowest point, it can also have a drain open allowing it to empty into D.
 The mistake I made with the original design was in using pressure to pump water and not using vacuum to draw water into A at the top.

p.s., sm0ky2, what my 3 antagonists miss is that there might be some money to be made, and some is better than none. and there is little sense
 in inventing something and then letting a business have it for free. With Bessler, not patentable.
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Offline citfta

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #98 on: October 30, 2015, 05:31:11 PM »

Hoppfield is partially correct about this drawing.  Water will flow.  The water on the right side of the baffle will flow out the drain.  Since the top is open to the atmosphere there is nothing to prevent the water from flowing out the drain.  At the same time the vacuum on the left side of the baffle will also draw some of the water from the right side over to the left side.  The vacuum will draw very little water from the tank on the left because the water on the right side of the baffle is closer and there is less friction loss of the water trying to move.  When the water on the right side gets to the bottom of the baffle the vacuum will be lost and some of the water from the left side will then flow to the right side until a vacuum is created again on the left side that would balance the weight of the water in the left side that is above the baffle.  This process will be repeated until the water on the left side reaches the bottom of the baffle.  At that point the rest of the water will simply run out of the drain.

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #99 on: October 30, 2015, 07:39:29 PM »
   Is it okay if I give you guys something to think about ? I changed the design to take suction from a reservoir
  that also serves as a base or stand. While atmospheric air pressure will decrease with elevation, we'll need to agree
  on 14.7 psi / 1.031 kg/cm^2.
   And with pressure heads, the force increases at 0.44 psi per foot in elevation which in metric terms is 0.031 kg/cm^2 per
  30 cm in elevation.
  Since water has a force of 0.44 psi or 0.031 kg/cm^2, could the surface area of the water create a slight vacuum sufficient to draw the water into the tank while maintaining a force greater than 14.7 psi/1.031 kg/cm ^2 ?
 The drain pipe could loop to the inlet pipe to maintain a minimum pressure head on both the inlet and discharge sides.

  I'll leave the one pic up even though it's the wrong one. Have been told 2 dropping weights can not move water from one "piston"
 to another. You know, if 2 1 lb./ or 1/2 kg. weights drop, can they move water weighing 1/2 as much ? You know, move 1 lb. or 1/2 kg of water.
 Just think of a piston moving in a cylinder with a weight attached to it. I'm serious, experts have said it can't work, something about a  trade off because you'd have too much weight on one side. Kind of why I'm playing it safe and sticking with Bessler. I like proven technology  :-D

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #100 on: October 30, 2015, 08:51:27 PM »
Thing interesting about my example that water can be released from higher ground. Magnet idea for certain not working. There in my link is no doubt "might it" do it. They DID it succescfuly

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #101 on: October 30, 2015, 09:32:09 PM »
Thing interesting about my example that water can be released from higher ground. Magnet idea for certain not working. There in my link is no doubt "might it" do it. They DID it succescfuly

   Vladokv,
  They did. очень трудно.  With me, prefer simple, something people can try.

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #102 on: November 01, 2015, 03:15:16 PM »
 hoppfield / Jame Lindgaard

 I see you posted an idea similar to one I did back in 2007. But in mine I use a very light oil to fight against friction and corrosion but could be tried with water.

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« Reply #103 on: November 04, 2015, 05:07:20 AM »
hoppfield / Jame Lindgaard

 I see you posted an idea similar to one I did back in 2007. But in mine I use a very light oil to fight against friction and corrosion but could be tried with water.

 And a man from Cairo, Egypt posted that before you did. This is funny Alan. When I saw his drawings, I thought of Bessler. His work helped me. Still, I have to wonder why you would rip off Bessler.

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« Reply #104 on: November 04, 2015, 01:44:42 PM »
And a man from Cairo, Egypt posted that before you did. This is funny Alan. When I saw his drawings, I thought of Bessler. His work helped me. Still, I have to wonder why you would rip off Bessler.

The fact is there have been many many similarities in thousands of designs and I did this design with no knowledge of the others. But what is different is my design adds vacuum on the other side of the weight with gravity pull on the weights and I haven't seen another like it. You knew of mine for many years and I am in no delusion that it can work. To many negative factors that kill the idea all together. So there has to be another way and I wished we did have the design of Bessler's fountain for there would have been more insight to what Bessler did. So we work in a direction of many possibilities but lack the proof from the source.


Alan

 

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