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### Author Topic: Continuously Flowing Water Theory  (Read 106910 times)

#### johnny874

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##### Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #60 on: July 07, 2012, 07:40:05 PM »
@All,
I cleaned it up quite abit and hopefully made everything easier to understand.
With the basic concept, the pump has a stroke of 1 inch or 2.5cm's. It has a depth
of 1.5 inches or 3.75 cm's. This would hopefully help the flow into the static head.
The static head has been calculated to have about the same volume of water that the
pump discharges each time it pumps.
With a static head height of 18 inches or about 45 cm's, there would be a space of about 12 inches or 45 cm's for the water buckets and the pump. This should be plenty of room
to work with. And with a 3:1 ratio, the water bucket that operaates the pump would be
generating 3 times the force of the water it would be moving. This would allow for some loss due to friction/resistence.
As far as something like this goes, a working prototype could be worth a couple of million Euro's or U.S. dollars. After all, it would be the only working pm invention someone could buy and people most likely would.
And since I am not building at present and accessAlex is a part of this, maybe someone wouldn't mind taking an interest in this as they would also benefit financially from it.
If so, let us know.

Johnny874

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##### Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #60 on: July 07, 2012, 07:40:05 PM »

#### Thing

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##### Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #61 on: July 08, 2012, 06:57:04 PM »
Hi all, cool green water, are somebody see in the vid. is two different liquids . one  liquid is clear and second is green,  clear liquid is filled just littlebit and before the green liqiud. Can somebody see it too in sowmotion you can see first comes out clear water from pipe and then starsts flowing green.
Maybe its same liquid but not painted in green , i think i gonna replicate this thing ..

Thing

#### johnny874

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##### Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #62 on: July 09, 2012, 01:09:29 AM »
thing,
tomorrow or the next day, Im going to scan anc upload a drawing I cid last night, its a a cross between what me and alex have poxted, a bellows could be used as the pump. a little simpler,

johnny

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##### Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #62 on: July 09, 2012, 01:09:29 AM »

#### johnny874

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##### Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #63 on: July 09, 2012, 04:47:27 PM »
Hi all, cool green water, are somebody see in the vid. is two different liquids . one  liquid is clear and second is green,  clear liquid is filled just littlebit and before the green liqiud. Can somebody see it too in sowmotion you can see first comes out clear water from pipe and then starsts flowing green.
Maybe its same liquid but not painted in green , i think i gonna replicate this thing ..

Thing

Thing,
think this is something you could do ? It's scaleable, 1 inch equals 1 inch or cm for that matter.
flapper valves might work for water flow control, simple but effective.

Johnny

#### johnny874

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##### Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #64 on: August 31, 2012, 03:50:43 PM »

Thing,
think this is something you could do ? It's scaleable, 1 inch equals 1 inch or cm for that matter.
flapper valves might work for water flow control, simple but effective.

Johnny

Kator,
I have thought of a way to modify this. Although not sure if working openly is such a good idea.
What with some of the bored experts that are in this forum, they'd need attention without bringing anything to the discussion.
With this design, water flow is what matter's, kind of stating the obvious. but this is where attention is needed because valves would need to be used so the water would flow when it needs to.
After that, the reset mechanism would be the enxt issue. one idea I had a while ago was to use a counter weight to help assist in lifting the (resetting) the rest mechanism.
I did some math and found out that a 1 1/8th inch tube has close to 1 square inch of surface area,  .994. Not sure if i could find a tube that size. 1 1/4" is 1.22 and 1" is .7855. With a 1 inch tube, 28 cubic inches of water would be pumped up to almost 36 inches in height.
With the design I am thinking of it, it would use levers, pulleys and counter weights. Sounds almost like an elevator. They use a counter weight that weighs the same as the elevator so only the weight of the people is being moved. And something like this would cancel out the weight of the reset mechanism unless it is being used to perform it's desired operation.
Not sure, but may post a picture of it after I have made some progress on it. With a working model, then I can get help in getting Bessler's wheel built. Sometimes it's better to do what you can than what you want and i think this is an example of that.

Johnny

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##### Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #64 on: August 31, 2012, 03:50:43 PM »

#### johnny874

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##### Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #65 on: September 02, 2012, 05:16:44 AM »
@all,
with this, have been considering a pancake pump for simplicity sake. that anc using counter weights to reset the pump so the weight that works the pump can be used to prime the pump when the water has finished pumping.
Also, only really need one promect to be working on, one reason why I posted the perpetual fountain on youtube.
have started a build on it but it might take some playing with to find out if it' s a good idea or not.
I think the reason no one has tried it before is because static heads always have had a direct pathway to each other and never thouht much of what Heron demonstrated and that is if the static head can not interact directly, then the static head will perform work relative to it's extra potential.
and tk, having a couple idea's only helps to demonstrate that when other people caused me problems is that engineering was my outlet to give me something productive to do while trying to get my life going again, that and having to stay close to home because of my medical problems and if you check how much the water drops when it is being pumped out of herons fountain, its not much compared to the height of the tube. what youve missed is that a pump can do the same thing.
and in reality, have been getting tired of engineering because there is more to life than this, and if you can understand how this pump works, then you might understand how besslers worked.

#### johnny874

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##### Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #66 on: September 02, 2012, 04:04:04 PM »
@all,
if I demonstrated that a pump can pump water up with the pump piston only dropping a little wouldn't get tk off my back.
what he miszes on badly is this design would be modifying one section of a Bessler wheel or what I believe was the way Bessler built it anc yet tk like  someone else who used to bother me can only discuss his opinion of what he thinks he knows.
like Heron's Fountain, this could be easily demonstrated but it might not show where it could be overunity unless it workz.
and if tk was a decent person he never would have bothered me in the first place. I do not tnink I should have to tolerate constant harassment to work on something in this forum and the only mpderator supports him becaue their friends and have spent little time pursuing gravity power conversion, they're just bored.

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##### Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #66 on: September 02, 2012, 04:04:04 PM »

#### johnny874

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##### Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #67 on: September 02, 2012, 04:05:41 PM »
all,
I am going to wtite Stefan about tk stalking me.

#### TinselKoala

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##### Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #68 on: September 02, 2012, 05:32:29 PM »
The history is all there, Johnny. I have all the PMs you sent to me, unsolicited and unprovoked, with all your abuse and insults. If the moderators haven't changed history by removing posts, anyone can see that YOU are the abuser, that you started with the insults and all the rest of the whining and complaining. YOU are the stalker, Jimbo. You've followed ME from thread to thread with your bloviating insults and your whining. You've even cluttered up my inbox with spam. Complain all you like. Builders are respected here... whiners, not so much.

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##### Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #68 on: September 02, 2012, 05:32:29 PM »

#### johnny874

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##### Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #69 on: September 02, 2012, 07:55:33 PM »
@All,
This is about Bessler's Mt 66, which of course is one of many Bessler drawings.
If you look at the bottom piston and the top piston, it seems that the bottom piston pumped something to the top through a tube.
the person harassing me says this is impossible. Bessler thought of it almost 300 years ago.
And with lever C using leverage to increase the force potential of it's weight, not a problem.
What I have done to try and demonstrate how this idea can be modified so the water being pumped up to the top can be used as the weight doing the pumping. There really is no reason it can't.
And if you consider that most people at besslerwheel dot com say that there is nothing in Bessler's drawings worth learning, it is because they haven't considered that Bessler really did know something.

#### johnny874

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##### Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #70 on: September 02, 2012, 09:19:19 PM »
edited to delete  post because it was not about Bessler.
As far as Mt 66 goesm whether or not I build it should be up to myself.
I have seen no one interested in my building anything.

John, Johnny, Jim, Jimbo and James
« Last Edit: September 02, 2012, 10:37:52 PM by johnny874 »

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##### Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #70 on: September 02, 2012, 09:19:19 PM »

#### johnny874

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##### Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #71 on: September 02, 2012, 09:41:33 PM »
@All,
With Mt 66, if the wheel is stopped every 180 degrees, it would have a chance of being perpetual. Why stopping it every 1/2 rotation is to allow the water to pump to tne other side. One thing to remember is that the tube in the middle would always have water in it. This is okay because it would counter balance itself.

#### johnny874

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##### Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #72 on: September 03, 2012, 03:00:46 AM »
tk,
u can have this forum. after all, I have Bessler's wheel :~)
I can deal with that in my own time.

#### johnny874

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##### Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #73 on: September 03, 2012, 02:18:38 PM »
u no tk, u remind me of my oldest brother. hed fly across the country to keep me from having a girlfriend. best thing is, he said al
the same things you did except he wanted me to be a preacher. its just a control issue with people who have, Id say low self esteem but I tbink its something more problematic. its like you said, Id have to b Jesus to learn from somebody elses work.
but I about only been harassec for working openly.
and anyone can go to photobucket dot com and search Bessler_supporter. I have pictures of some of the builds I have done and will upload one tomorrow of a variation of Mt 37 I have built.
the only way to understand Bessler's work and learn how to build a better wheel.
and yes, I have posted the link before but want to move forward.
but like I said tk, its ur forum and I wont post any new work in here.

#### johnny874

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##### Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #74 on: September 04, 2012, 12:57:38 AM »
alan,
if I can, no one will ever do business with you again,

and the Scotts will b blowin their bag pipes.