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Offline johnny874

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2012, 07:21:19 PM »
  Ghost, the water bucket can be lifted by using a counter weight like they use with elevators.
 If a bellows is used, then water filling it from a short static head would help to float it open.
 Unlike other people, I got into alternative enrgy/perpetual motion because of the discrimination I have to tolerate because of my hearing loss. It gets quite bad. I actually lost one job because I was being harassed by Christians for trying to meet a woman. Apparently they didn't like the idea of me having a family while I went to church with my 75 year old dad who happened to be an immigrant. This is my way of working around other peoples ignorance.
 With this idea, a bellows might allow for the simplest design that could work. The riser pipe would need an elbow that is the end of the bellows. This would help to make it easier to pump the water up into the riser pipe and top reservoir.
 This would mean only 3 parts would be needed for this, the bellows, the riser pipe/top reservoir and the water bucket.
 With the bellows, if a one was check valve is used, then water can flow in but not out. Most things needed for something like this would be found in the plumbing aisle of a person's local home improvement store and your local store that has food storage containers (plastic).
 Any way, for someone who is interested in understanding basic hydraulic behavior and maybe have a working pmm, this would be about as simple and inexpensive as they would find.
 To go OU, a side drain pipe out of the top reservoir so it can't over fill would show it could do work as well.
 
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p.s., there would always be water int he bellow as the point where it connects to the riser pipe would always be open.
 it's volume can be adjusted to account for this.

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2012, 03:15:49 AM »
If you watch the video below, it proves water can continuously fall
WITHOUT bellows & pumps.  Why make it harder than necessary???
 
It could be Scaled Up so the falling water turns a Water Wheel that
spins a Generator.  Properly configured it gives FREE ELECTRICITY forever.
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=287qd4uI7-E&feature=channel&list=UL
 
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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2012, 10:16:10 AM »
That video is a trick, try the experiment yourself, an easy one to do.

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2012, 04:01:25 PM »
If it's a fake, why is it PATENTED?
 
Where is your proof it's a fake?
Or do you just expect us to take your word for it?  LOL

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2012, 04:46:42 PM »
If you watch the video below, it proves water can continuously fall
WITHOUT bellows & pumps.  Why make it harder than necessary???
 
It could be Scaled Up so the falling water turns a Water Wheel that
spins a Generator.  Properly configured it gives FREE ELECTRICITY forever.
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=287qd4uI7-E&feature=channel&list=UL
 
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   FatBird,
 I think what everyone is missing is why it doesn't work. It seems like it should, but it doesn't.
The "Travis Effect" is based on this. If you pump the water (static head) in the funnel into the
tube on the right, that static head will be taller and it will be. With hydraulics, it would require
extra work because of the compression taking place. With the "Travis Effect", air is placed
between the piston and the fluid being pumped.
 If you look at how I modified the picture, it shows the static head in the funnel, the only water that
matters. The rest of the water can not perform any work. This is because the force of the extra water
is parallel to gravity or perpendicular to the static head, it's force is not applied diagonally. This is
what most people probably don't understand. The easiest way to consider a static head is the narrowest
gap in the static head, this is what all calculations should be based on.
 With the basic design I posted, it shows how the potential in a static head could be taken advantage of.
And it would be by understanding how a basic concept works that a more advanced design could be
achieved.
 
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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2012, 05:34:21 PM »
selling my tools.
it is like AB Hammer said, perpetual motion will not be allowed so it doesn,t matter.
Don't give up Jim, please. You've spent too much time on PM. It's not the best way to finish it like that I think.
Sad to hear about your experiences with some christians, but there are christians and christians, or sometimes... christians and so called christians.
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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2012, 05:47:44 PM »
Hi all,
I don't mean to discourage anyone here from experimenting but I would like to point out that in the green water video, when the liquid is first poured in, there's a slight 'pause' at the bottom of the collection vessel where the water seems to stop for a brief moment then begins to flow through again. Water would not behave this way. There must be some hidden plumbing within the lower arm of the stand that feeds the water through a pump of some sort.
Cheers,
polln8r

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2012, 07:05:42 PM »
If it's a fake, why is it PATENTED?
 
Where is your proof it's a fake?
Or do you just expect us to take your word for it?  LOL
Re: this video, no don`t take my word for it, go read the website link underneath the video.

There he tells you "This video is of motorized versions that were built to illustrate how these machines were supposed to work in the minds of  Inventors."

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2012, 09:00:07 PM »
Don't give up Jim, please. You've spent too much time on PM. It's not the best way to finish it like that I think.
Sad to hear about your experiences with some christians, but there are christians and christians, or sometimes... christians and so called christians.
Regards

  Raphael,
  I am in a tight situation right now and need to get it worked out.
 With static heads, something for everyone to think about, if a tube
is at an angle of 45 degrees, why is it's static head limited to the height
of a static head that is straight up and down. It has to do with how
gravity effects liquids as I mentioned in the previous post.  Excess volume
is not able to perform any work.
 
 @ FatBird, the purpose of the videos is so that people like yourself would
ask questions. Most people accept that it doesn't work yet by understanding
static heads, then something simple could be built.
 And with even a simple pm machine, something would also be learned about
mechanics, flow rates, compression, etc., etc. In other words if someone
tried the basic pump / system then they would learn something about mechanical
engineering. And sometimes the best experience is hands on experience where
even a seemingly simple build is attempted. It could be why most won't build, it
seems simple but in reality, getting any mechanical system to work does take
some effort.

  @All, if anyone takes a tube and holds one side straight up and lets the other side
move to an angle, you will see the 2 static heads will always have the same height.
 
 @Ghost, someone one day might try the basic idea I posted and they might actually
find it interesting when they see it work. But I think as far as Bessler goes, if someone
keeps this going, it will end up at Bessler's wheel and then he would have had his
school if even for a few months.

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edited to correct spelling of FatBird's name  :D

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2012, 09:00:07 PM »
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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2012, 12:05:39 AM »
   @All,
  If anyone could, would you make a video and post it of this please.
By moving the tube on the left, it will change the height of the static head.
 And what everyone would see is that less water can have as much force as
a larger volume and that changing the height of the static head takes work proportional
to it's lift.
 With vacuum, that would be an advanced concept and something that can wait. But for
understanding how or why something works, the basic pump idea would be best.
 The top reservoir is "preloaded". And since water can flow, it can move itself to the drain,
the lowest point. This allows it to perform work and is the start of the self flowing water
being able to happen.
 I'm fairly certain that if one person tries this that someone else will. Once you get the idea,
you might think "how simple" and who knows ...
 
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proportional to it's lift.

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2012, 07:44:46 AM »
I don't know why but something tells me to add/mix this idea: http://www.overunity.com/12396/school-boy-experiment-with-water
with your idea johnny874.

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #41 on: June 26, 2012, 03:28:47 PM »
I don't know why but something tells me to add/mix this idea: http://www.overunity.com/12396/school-boy-experiment-with-water
with your idea johnny874.

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   Ghost,
 I had sent a link to someone showing how coffee makers pump water with no moving parts.
When the water is heated, the air it releases pumps the water. a neat trick but of limited use.
 With the experiment Vineet did, he is pumping air similar to what wayne is doing  :o
 if things start working out for me, then next week I might be able to start building an
actual test model. What I can do in the mean time is post some drawings of how I plan
on going about building it. This way if someone else wants to try it, they can.
 I would be starting with the pump itself and the top reservoir. It could be when people
sees how that works then they'll see how it might work.
 And to make it easier on anyone else who would try, I would be showing how I build everything starting with the bellows. And as far as math goes, I'm going to try to use as little as possible.
 
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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #42 on: June 27, 2012, 11:03:20 PM »
  @All,
  Here is possibly the simplest design I could come up with.
 The top reservoir would need to be 2 sections. This is to allow one section
to be pumped up while the lower section is empty. When the A section is filled,
it can lift a float which opens a flapper type valve. This will let the water drain
to the B section where it will float the water bucket back to it's start position.
 In the digram for the lower resrvoir / pump assembly, the water bucket is top
right, when it is lifted, it will open another flapper type valve in the B section.
 This will let that water drain into the water bucket. As this happens, the
bucket will become heavier and start pumping water up the riser tube once again
filling the top reservoir A section.
 When the water bucket is finished pumping, it's flapper valve will open letting it
drain into the bottom reservoir.
 Basically, it seems 4 flapper valves and one float could control all movement
of the water in this design.
 I think if you take a little time and consider it, it could work for as basic of a design
as it is.
 Not sure though, but I might not be able to do anythng for a while. But then, this is
an open source design. One thing to remember, that the water the bellows pumps is
equal to the volume in the riser tube, and what is in the water bucket. If you follow
the flow, you'll understand this.
 And with the loop seal that goes from the bottom reservoir to the bellows, it should
always have water in it to keep air out of the system.
 
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edited to add; a one way check valve or ball in the riser tube would be needed so it, like
the loop seal will always have water in it. This would be to prevent back flow when the
bellows is being primed (opened) as the water bucket is moved back to it's start position.
 If you notice, in the bottom of the bellows, there is a flat line which is, yep, a flapper
valve.   I think ya'all get it.  ;) :D 8)

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2012, 05:18:32 PM »
   @All,
 Cleaned it up some to make it easier to understand.
A flapper valve could be placed on top of the riser tube
to prevent back flow into the pump. A round pump
might work better than a bellows because it would be
more compact. This would allow for more leverage by
the water bucket which would be a plus. Like Tim Allen
always said, more power is always a good thing, grunt,, grunt  ;D
 A bellows makes for a good visual to understand pumping
something. Not everyone has experience working with various
types of pumps. A pump might be made out of pvc tubing, a flat
piece of plastic and something like felt as a seal. It would leak a
little, but that would help to keep the seal from wearing out
because of friction. Also, the leakage would also help to keep
the felt lubricated so it could work better, less friction while
sealing the pump. The pump would probably be what makes or breaks
this kind of idea, it does need to be efficient.
 And when a flapper valve needs to be lifted so water can flow, a line
to something above it will allow it to open. One trick to flapper valves
is to look at the one inside of your commode, seriously, take a look at
it and see how it works. It closes after the tank is emptied because of
it's shape. Something worth noting.
 By the way, super glue would probably work for holding things together.
 
                                                             Jim
 
p.s. with section A, it can be shallow but would need to be deep enough so
a float could open the valve to section B when the pump has completed it's
cycle, all the way down, emptied, etc., etc.
 
 
edited to correct spelling  :o ??? :-\

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2012, 05:19:05 PM »
  deleted as it is a double post, sorry  :D

 

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