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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2012, 09:47:51 PM »
In case this hasn't been said..."the same vacuum you are depending on to lift the water will keep it from descending ."

  Christopher Wells, since you are not Jesus Christ, why not quit using his log on ?
 I would prefer to discuss this with people who are interested in it, not someone who wishes to make people believe they are God, or are you ?
 But to attach yourself to this reminds me of what you posted to me, I would answer to you and you would decide in what manner my work is to be percieved. That's not for you to decide. You and Christian friends helped me to lose my job when I was going to church with my father because you have a belief but need someone else to pay for it.
 Kind of why I don't go to church anymore.
 And why would I give away a patent that might be worth millions if it works ? Really have no friends because of people like you. Don't need a palace for one.
 Then again, my cancer might have been from when I got hit by a van. Serious trauma and cancer have been linked. My Christian family kept me from fixing my car and the Christians I worked with said, give you a ride to the auto part store ? Sorry.
 Yet when I want to do somethng, you guys come running. Isn't it funny the way that works ? It kind of makes you Christians look like vultures looking for opportunity. I thought it was supposed to be the other way around, you know, the meek shall inherit the Earth, love thy neighbor as thyself. Haven't really seen it.
 So please Chris Wells, leave me ALONE.

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2012, 09:58:52 PM »
  @All,
 Was hoping someone who finds this interesting would be allowed to ask some questions. This is supposed to be a research forum where things are discussed.
 What might be missed with this design is that because there is a greater volume of water in the upper reservoir, it would have a greater effect on the vacuum than the supply side.
 If the drain were on the vacuum side of the upper reservoir, it would let air in. By placing it on the side open to the atmosphere, it will be allowed to drain. Because this will lower the static head in the upper reservoir, it should increase the vacuum and cause water to flow into it from the supply side in an attempt to equalize the forces (the 2 static heads) acting on the vacuum.
 Of course, with new ideas, gaurantees can not be made except nothing ventured, nothing gained.
 Some of these principles I started thnking about while working on Bessler as a way to possibly allow his wheel(s) to do more work. Also, when I was in the US Navy, I went to school for and worked in an engineroom where we had a condenser uder the low pressure turbine. It condensed steam into condensate and we maintained it at a vacuum of 27hg"s (1.5psi).
 Of course, I went to school for machining after the Navy and worked as a CNC Machinist but problems with my ears required me to change jobs. Life goes on.
 Have other schooling as well. One reason why I am looking forward to getting back to working on Bessler's wheel. I'll be able to use some of the schooling and work experience I've had. Hopefully it won't be to long until I can get back at it.
 
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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2012, 11:00:49 PM »
  @All,
 Was hoping someone who finds this interesting would be allowed to ask some questions. This is supposed to be a research forum where things are discussed.
 What might be missed with this design is that because there is a greater volume of water in the upper reservoir, it would have a greater effect on the vacuum than the supply side.
 If the drain were on the vacuum side of the upper reservoir, it would let air in. By placing it on the side open to the atmosphere, it will be allowed to drain. Because this will lower the static head in the upper reservoir, it should increase the vacuum and cause water to flow into it from the supply side in an attempt to equalize the forces (the 2 static heads) acting on the vacuum.
 Of course, with new ideas, gaurantees can not be made except nothing ventured, nothing gained.
 Some of these principles I started thnking about while working on Bessler as a way to possibly allow his wheel(s) to do more work. Also, when I was in the US Navy, I went to school for and worked in an engineroom where we had a condenser uder the low pressure turbine. It condensed steam into condensate and we maintained it at a vacuum of 27hg"s (1.5psi).
 Of course, I went to school for machining after the Navy and worked as a CNC Machinist but problems with my ears required me to change jobs. Life goes on.
 Have other schooling as well. One reason why I am looking forward to getting back to working on Bessler's wheel. I'll be able to use some of the schooling and work experience I've had. Hopefully it won't be to long until I can get back at it.
 
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Hi Jim


This idea seem to be the missing link of djerassem patent
http://www.google.com/patents?id=ebP_AQAAEBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=djerassem&hl=en&sa=X&ei=TVfWT7LFKOn10gGBwuScAw&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAA


i have a simple question . 2 recipient with the same volume one full of water one with a partial vacuum connected to each other by a one way valve allowing the water to go to the empty recipient side .


question 1 at witch level the water will stop and why ?


question 2 if you connect the second recipient to a third vacuum chamber will it help emptying  the first tank ?


the response to these questions might give some tips to some engineers out here to build a working device using pressure differential because if it does the third tank can be switch to the other side back and forth without loosing it initial partial vacuum state therefore keeping the unbalanced pressures for a long time .
that's my hypothesis

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2012, 12:07:24 AM »

Hi Jim


This idea seem to be the missing link of djerassem patent
http://www.google.com/patents?id=ebP_AQAAEBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=djerassem&hl=en&sa=X&ei=TVfWT7LFKOn10gGBwuScAw&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAA


i have a simple question . 2 recipient with the same volume one full of water one with a partial vacuum connected to each other by a one way valve allowing the water to go to the empty recipient side .


question 1 at witch level the water will stop and why ?


question 2 if you connect the second recipient to a third vacuum chamber will it help emptying  the first tank ?


the response to these questions might give some tips to some engineers out here to build a working device using pressure differential because if it does the third tank can be switch to the other side back and forth without loosing it initial partial vacuum state therefore keeping the unbalanced pressures for a long time .
that's my hypothesis

  Hi Sidneo,
 It's not even close to that. It looks like he was thinking of a gas charged shock when he thought of that. Same principle but a different application.
 With what i have described, it is something I tried to get Wayne travis to understand. It does take hydraulic theory into consideration.
 With the diagram I posted, if the drain were covered with a flat sheet of plastic, then it could be moved to uncover the drain until the system either works or it doesn't.
 While using more chambers might make it seem more attractive, I am not sure it would help.
 It would just be a more elaborate system but still is limited to helping people to understand hydraulic theory and how pressure differential systems need to be considered. A teaching tool if you will.
 The greater value might be that the everyday person finds it more interesting than we do. If so, that's okay. it would give them a peek at our world  ;)  And to me, I think that would be something I would enjoy. After all, we are freaks aren't we ? They think we are. So I gu8ess for a good cause, why not ? A little redemption for free thinkers if you will.
 
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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2012, 05:14:56 PM »
   @All,
 For something like this, there would be an engineered solution.
When the vacuum draws water into the top chamber, the water could fill something
which would use leverage to pump water out. It would be a bit of work. Something like a water
wheel could operate the pump. Like I said, it would be a bit of work, an involved project kind
of like Bessler's wheel.
 What I might do this weekend is make a short tube out of a sheet of plastic and pump water with
it between two flat boards. Only one board would need to move but both could.
No fixed rules, not yet any way.
 I thought I would mention that some Christians would probably think I should be thanking God. If so,
then would I need to thank God for the problems that have been brought into my life ? As I've mentioned
before, hope to have a family one day and this (what I want) didn't allow me to be stupid with how I responded to my
critics (people who discriminated agianst me).
 And with the continuous flowing water, while I'm laid up (hope to get things over with next week), then I'll
give some thought to how a water wheel and a mechanical pump could work together. This would be the difficult
part and a decent solution could make for something that would leave everybody scratching their heads.
 Am going to try and take a break from this until I'm in better health (will post a video of the water pump  :D ). Would be able to enjoy it much more.
 
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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2012, 04:21:50 PM »
  By having water in the top reservoir drain into a bucket, as the bucket descends it also pumps the
reservoir back up again. And when it nears the bottom of it's travel, it empties into the lower reservoir.
 I think you'll get the basic idea.

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2012, 05:53:57 PM »
  By having water in the top reservoir drain into a bucket, as the bucket descends it also pumps the
reservoir back up again. And when it nears the bottom of it's travel, it empties into the lower reservoir.
 I think you'll get the basic idea.

Looks great and I really get the idea now!
It's like using the weight of itself (water) to pump itself through means of leverage.
If I had the money and tools and/or skills I would try to build this.
Maybe someone can simulate this in a physics simulating program.
Thanks for sharing.

peace.

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2012, 06:29:21 PM »
your welcome ghost, I think with something like this, while it might be educational, people would buy one because it would be unique.

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2012, 08:00:44 PM »
  @All,
 There is a neat little trick to this. Since the water in the top reservoir supplies the working force, it's the volume everything else will need to work with.
 an example of this is when the pump pumps one time, the volume of water it moves into the static head is the same as in the reservoir. They would be considered 2 different parts of this idea.
 And if the water bucket dropped 8 inches to operate the pump, at a 4:1 ratio, the pump would need a depth of 2 inches. It might work slowly but still something I would think people would be fascinated by, after all, it would keep doing it's thing without power  :o
 
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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2012, 07:54:11 PM »
Hi Jhony,

The subject of this forum is "Continuously flowing water theory".Insted of writing on the above subject you are writing about christians unnecessarly.If one or two christians done something bad doesn't means that all christians are bad.In the world most   of charity money was paid by christians.To have a hatred on one or two people you are blaming a big community of the world.

I saw all your posts you are writing about christians.Can you please stop this in future.

Do your work or research and write about that. :(


Nixon

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2012, 12:23:50 AM »
nixx,
 people arent big on charity.
 Unlike Wayne, I dont need the patent rights.

edit. Do any of you working with Wayne have any rights to any contribution you may make ?

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2012, 01:55:02 AM »
nix,
my sister was never the good christian,
she did a christian newspaper until she died from chrons disease,
 still, rhe did what she could.
 that ir something M. doesn,t understand, some people need to work. It is a part of them.

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2012, 03:37:04 AM »
this idea will never work because perpetual motion is impossible.

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« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2012, 06:13:19 AM »
this idea will never work because perpetual motion is impossible.

your idea?
what are you talking about?

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2012, 08:43:10 AM »
selling my tools.
it is like AB Hammer said, perpetual motion will not be allowed so it doesn,t matter.

 

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