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Author Topic: Continuously Flowing Water Theory  (Read 92279 times)

Offline johnny874

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Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« on: June 09, 2012, 04:02:52 PM »
  Ghost asked me to start a thread on this.
 The basic idea would be if the tube on the right is connected to the one on the left, the atmospheric pressure would pump the water up the left side. This is because there would be a vacuum at the top.
 A barrier would maintain the vacuum by not letting air in.
 
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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2012, 05:48:33 PM »
"A barrier would maintain the vacuum by not letting air in."

But the barrier lets water in.

What keeps the _water_ from filling up the vacuum? If the vacuum is strong enough to suck up the water in the first place it will just fill up with water and disappear.

When the vacuum is full of water, then you just have a loop of hose, with a hole in it at the top, and we know what happens then.

If you close the hole, though, then you have a standard siphon hose, that works in the normal way.

Here's a question for you: Will a standard siphon work in a vacuum?


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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2012, 06:05:25 PM »
"A barrier would maintain the vacuum by not letting air in."

But the barrier lets water in.

What keeps the _water_ from filling up the vacuum? If the vacuum is strong enough to suck up the water in the first place it will just fill up with water and disappear.

When the vacuum is full of water, then you just have a loop of hose, with a hole in it at the top, and we know what happens then.

If you close the hole, though, then you have a standard siphon hose, that works in the normal way.

Here's a question for you: Will a standard siphon work in a vacuum?

   TK,
 There might be a slight trick to it. microcontroller mentioned to me about flow control. This would be necessary to get the 2 sides to work together.
I modified the drawing to show how drainage might allow it to work. If water is draining out of the top reservoir, then the vacuum would have trouble acting on it. What this would allow for is the water in the open static head to still be pumped by air.
 Then all that might be left is to find out what vacuum works best and what level of water is needed in the top reservoir.
 One of the things this considers is how pressure effects a static head. If a fluid is pumped into a vacuum, it would require less work than what being pumped into a pressurized space, even the atmosphere which is 14 psi.
 A vacuum of 15hg's (7 psi of air pressure) would require about 1/2 the force to pump water into it as a static head with 14 psi (atmospheric pressure) acting on it.  It would be an attempt to play on this difference.
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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2012, 08:13:08 PM »
  @All,
 what might be missed in something like this is it might help industry to use less energy if they use water tanks to develop or assist in developing line pressure.
 if a water district could use 15% less energy to fill water towers which provide water to your homes, would that matter ?
 Guess if someone worked with engineering, it would make for a better discussion. Won't bother you guys any more. Sorry.                                                         

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2012, 03:48:12 AM »
If you watch the Video below, you will see Continuously Flowing Water WITHOUT a VACUUM AND Vacuum Pump.
It could be Scaled Up so the falling water could drive a Water Wheel that turns a Generator.

FREE ELECTRICITY forever.  Why monkey around with a vacuum???
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=287qd4uI7-E&feature=channel&list=UL
 
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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2012, 07:10:01 AM »
You should probably read the description for that video. In it you will find this link: http://www.veproject1.blogspot.ca/
It is very enlightening.

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2012, 01:02:25 AM »
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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2012, 02:20:38 AM »
It's not that hard Microcontroller.
 
Just open your eyes while you watch the video.

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2012, 04:58:36 AM »
   FatBird,
this is my hobby. i can post a wokble design and explain it. there is a catch, patent rights go the Salvation Army.
 Would,ve liked to have had a family. even Christians discriminate against me bebause of my hearing loss. Why I,ve had the time to figure this out.

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2012, 05:36:24 AM »
  Ghost asked me to start a thread on this.
 The basic idea would be if the tube on the right is connected to the one on the left, the atmospheric pressure would pump the water up the left side. This is because there would be a vacuum at the top.
 A barrier would maintain the vacuum by not letting air in.
 
                                                                                  Johnny
 
edited to correct spelling

Thanks for opening a thread on this.
Now if this really works how would I go about building this?
What kind of materials should I use?
What measurements should I use?
A blue print/schematics with all the proper measurements/pressure would be great.
Seems to be a lot easier than building a Bessler wheel.

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2012, 05:40:09 AM »
It's not that hard Microcontroller.
 
Just open your eyes while you watch the video.

What you think it works? Have you tried building it?

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2012, 06:48:08 AM »
The fact that there are people who believe that thing works without a pump and power supply is shocking to me.
Shocking.

My favorite one is the one with the magnet, the steel ball, and the wheel. I showed it to some high-level scientists during a lull at a conference a month or so ago, and they started trying to explain why it worked, too.

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2012, 04:48:14 PM »
Thanks for opening a thread on this.
Now if this really works how would I go about building this?
What kind of materials should I use?
What measurements should I use?
A blue print/schematics with all the proper measurements/pressure would be great.
Seems to be a lot easier than building a Bessler wheel.

   Ghost,
  If something like this works, they would both be interesting. Some of this would apply to
Bessler. One example would be the water supply, it would be pumped up hill. If it flows downhill, then it's draining.
 With something like this, plastic food storage containers could be modified. Plus they're cheap  :D 
 
 decided to edit my comments to simplify them.
 
 With the drawing, the static heads are shown with 2 to 1 ratios. With engineering, I am going on the basis of 15hg's of vacuum has 1/2 the force of atmospheric air pressure.
 This would mean that regardless of the amount of water, a static head of equal surface area would have a 2:1 relationship. This would mean that the atmosphere could pump water up to twice it's height (close to it anyway).
 With the static head on the left, all the water in the reservoir would not matter, only what is above the tube it's supplying with water.
 And with a static head in an upper reservoir, if the water is allowed to drain out on the atmospheric side, it should try to increase the vacuum slightly. As a reslut of this, the supply side should pump water to compensate.
 A vacuum gauge would verify vacuum to lift but isn't necessary. Marking lines where the static head should be should give a good indication.
 To test something like this, the supply side could have water supplied to it. To maintain it's static head, a hole on the side of the reservoir would not let the water level increase.
 This would help to show that water could be moved this way. After that, it would be up to someone how much effort they would want to put into it.
 
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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2012, 07:42:27 PM »
In case this hasn't been said..."the same vacuum you are depending on to lift the water will keep it from descending ."

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Re: Continuously Flowing Water Theory
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2012, 08:59:03 PM »
not your concern Chris.
if you knew anything. you would have noticd that the drain is on the side open to the atmosphere.
 So, yes it can work.

       Jim

 

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