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Title: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
Post by: gammarayburst on May 10, 2012, 07:31:40 PM
See attached,
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
Title: Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
Post by: gauschor on May 11, 2012, 08:48:41 PM
Youre topics are scattered over the whole forum, none of them showing anything working. Yet you continue this tradition spamming the forums for months now (or is it years already?). What's the point of it?

Why not elaborate something actually working? I can understand if you are desperately trying new constructions, but then please add some notes to it and tell us what is different to the hundreds of non working designs. By all means, just provide something more meaningful aside from the phrase "see attached".

 :o
Title: Re: Just fuck off!
Post by: gammarayburst on May 11, 2012, 11:52:27 PM
Youre topics are scattered over the whole forum, none of them showing anything working. Yet you continue this tradition spamming the forums for months now (or is it years already?). What's the point of it?

Why not elaborate something actually working? I can understand if you are desperately trying new constructions, but then please add some notes to it and tell us what is different to the hundreds of non working designs. By all means, just provide something more meaningful aside from the phrase "see attached".

 :o
If you don't like my posts then don't open them stupid! Just fuck off!
Title: Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
Post by: gauschor on May 12, 2012, 10:53:15 AM
How professional...
Title: Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
Post by: Low-Q on May 15, 2012, 02:15:17 PM
I think the number of ideas isn't the problem, but the that there is very little practical experience, and no actual idea that is built AND works. It is also hard to understand the drawings some times. However, this is suppose to be some constructive feedback.
The pseudo solid concept is interesting because it has been carried out almost none practical experiments on it. I know of a few - those from Butch. They do, however, not proove anything, but at least they are a hands on experiment displayed on youtube.
I must admit that I read every post from Butch - even if I'm tired of the "See attached" comment on every 2D drawings he come up with ;-))) Butch, if you want the fish to bite, I encourage you to build more. You have good skills in this, and you are the only experienced person in pseudo solid concepts here.


I whish Butch good luck. I hope he will succeed one day, AND share it for free.


Vidar
Title: Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
Post by: tinu on May 15, 2012, 05:28:58 PM
Calm down fellows.

Some people simply love playing with magnets, right? They have high hopes to get free energy. That’s nice, isn’t it? Although I am happy enough that matter (you know that stuff made of spinning little magnets all the time) is stable. But I am bad, really bad, and I know it. ;)

What I don’t really get is why they keep telling those magnetic motors “breaks no laws of physics”. Of course they don’t. If they did, the “inventor” wouldn’t be here to tell us. Probably none of us would be here but maybe enjoying the free energy in a ‘burst’ of joy. Oh, yeah :)  Free energy, finally! Now… where is free matter?!  :o

I sincerely hope this saga with magnetic motors is not used for scamming people. Scamming is bad like me so we repel each other.  ;D Scamming may have many nuisances; some are more subtle like when I’d be happy I am given credit for PhD in electromagnetism while I’m a fridge-door-magnet salesman. Sometimes it’s about money, sometimes not (or at least not apparently or not up to a point). Still scamming, imho. Still bad. That’s why I’m spending 3 min of your life that nobody will give it back to you :(
 
Enough to say magnetic motors do not, can not and will not work.
And the rest of the story is up to each of us making it.
 
Best regards,
Tinu
Title: Re: Just fuck off!
Post by: gammarayburst on May 15, 2012, 07:41:41 PM
If you don't build to prove your claims then just don't post !

Just fuck off yourself.
You are polluting this board with your primitive ideas that will never work.
You don't understand magnetism and that's crystal clear.
Stupid nOOb
What is your full name or did your parents name you microcontroller?
 
Title: Second Optional Layout
Post by: gammarayburst on May 15, 2012, 08:17:03 PM
See attached
Title: Need list of working overunity devices on list or elsewhere I can purchase
Post by: gammarayburst on May 15, 2012, 08:23:18 PM
If anyone has a list of working overunity devices I can connect up to my home or car and can be purchased at this time please post here. I really would like to have one. My power bill and gasoline costs are killing me. I have been told many people post working overunity devices on this list and I would like to purchase one.
Thanks so much,
Butch
PS I would like it to be UL approved if possible.
Title: List of self running overunity devices
Post by: gammarayburst on May 15, 2012, 10:51:45 PM
Also if anyone has just a self running device that would be fine. I believe a guy named mico something has a bunch of them. Surely out of all the posts on this list and all the different areas of research there should be at lease one overunity device I can buy. Thanks, Butch LaFonte
Title: Option #3 very interesting layout, strong double pull
Post by: gammarayburst on May 16, 2012, 04:54:43 PM
See attached, The small magnet is able to use most of it's attraction force for just pulling to the up coming set of closed plates. The large magnet is for seperation of the plates and also it's pulling force is used when it approaches the closed plates.
I will post link for test video of this basic cog free pull.
Thanks,
Butch
Title: Link showing cog free pull of magnet to closed set of bars
Post by: gammarayburst on May 16, 2012, 05:06:10 PM
See this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVTKm8m4NwY&list=UUV6BqQ_hToPob2lfymlIYLg&index=9&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVTKm8m4NwY&list=UUV6BqQ_hToPob2lfymlIYLg&index=9&feature=plcp)
Also I will post video of bars seperating.
Thanks,
Butch
Title: Link for video of plates seperating
Post by: gammarayburst on May 16, 2012, 05:11:00 PM
See this link > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgrByr6Matk&feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgrByr6Matk&feature=relmfu)
Thanks,
Butch
Title: Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
Post by: gauschor on May 18, 2012, 09:32:48 PM
Thanks for these videos. You should know that it's essential to understand the thought behind all designs - in order to get others interested in the matter or letting people participate. If anyone jumps in trying to read a random LaFonte topic in this forum he will understand exactly nothing. I am still not 100% clear on this principle but with these videos (people should also watch the other videos in your channel) it makes much more sense now and one can deduct what you try to achieve with each different design.

(The whole matter should still be structured somehow like e.g. a sticky post explaining the basics of it (+ some of your videos) whereas the different designs may stay in different topics as they already are).
Title: Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
Post by: Low-Q on May 21, 2012, 11:04:21 PM
Thanks for these videos. You should know that it's essential to understand the thought behind all designs - in order to get others interested in the matter or letting people participate. If anyone jumps in trying to read a random LaFonte topic in this forum he will understand exactly nothing. I am still not 100% clear on this principle but with these videos (people should also watch the other videos in your channel) it makes much more sense now and one can deduct what you try to achieve with each different design.

(The whole matter should still be structured somehow like e.g. a sticky post explaining the basics of it (+ some of your videos) whereas the different designs may stay in different topics as they already are).
Animations are good. Practical experiments are even better. In addition an explaining text with referenc to different parts, situations etc. will help.
However, when one have lots of ideas in mind at the same time, it is easier to poor all those ideas in a forum, but the inventor often forgets that his thinking is not clear to others. My logic not allways seems to make sense to others. Butch have a little to learn about educational approach to members. But one cannot be a creative inventor AND have educational skills to make others understand clearly what you're doing :-))
My personal experience is tha I now is more able to "read" Butch' mind, if you know what I mean. I see a drawing, the comment "See attached", and I understand the concept pretty fast. Maybe because I'm also a creative inventor - thinking in the same ways as he does ;-))) What do you think Butch?
Title: Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
Post by: Low-Q on May 21, 2012, 11:22:20 PM
Butch,


I have lots of small cylindrical iron powder cores at work. Maybe a thousand. These cores could be used in the pseudo solid concept you're working with. Imagine a path that is slightly V shaped. Along this path there is pairs of cores in parallell, after one another, laying there in the "groove" of the path. When the magnet approach, the magnet will separate the pairs forcing each core to roll up the V shape on each side, but when the magnet has passed, the cores will roll back towards eachother again.


The inertia in the cores will delay the separation a bit but the magnetic force separates them quite quick, and gravity will slowly pull the cores together again behind the magnet. Do you see the scenario Butch?
In the front of the magnet the cores will pull greater than the pull from the cores behind it. You can stop the magnet manually, and run it backwards without re-aligning anything. The inertia in the cores will do the neccessary work for you in order to produce more forward trust than backward trust...or what do you think?


I do think only experimentally. My mind smells some fishy here - but I guess it is worth a try. I finally have my garage ready to be used to do some experiments, so I will try this myself too. And all my magnets has bee screaming for something to do the whole winter, last summer, and the winter before that...


Vidar
Title: Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
Post by: gammarayburst on May 23, 2012, 04:39:48 PM
My skills in presentation are lacking I know. I am best at concepts and theory.
Butch
Title: Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
Post by: gammarayburst on May 23, 2012, 04:54:25 PM
Animations are good. Practical experiments are even better. In addition an explaining text with referenc to different parts, situations etc. will help.
However, when one have lots of ideas in mind at the same time, it is easier to poor all those ideas in a forum, but the inventor often forgets that his thinking is not clear to others. My logic not allways seems to make sense to others. Butch have a little to learn about educational approach to members. But one cannot be a creative inventor AND have educational skills to make others understand clearly what you're doing :-))
My personal experience is tha I now is more able to "read" Butch' mind, if you know what I mean. I see a drawing, the comment "See attached", and I understand the concept pretty fast. Maybe because I'm also a creative inventor - thinking in the same ways as he does ;-))) What do you think Butch?
I move so fast with my ideas that I can't keep up with presentation quality like I should. I have no presentation talents I know and yes you are right, people after a while learn to "read" my designs. Mark can take a 2D drawing I send him and build it with no or very few questions. It took about a year for him to get that way. I think up ideas faster than I can have them built or presented properly. There is a certain magic in this pseudo solid design I posted here. I hope people can see the very clear overunity potential in it. It is just a matter of engineering the test fixture for self running.
Butch
Title: Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
Post by: gammarayburst on May 23, 2012, 04:58:02 PM
Butch,


I have lots of small cylindrical iron powder cores at work. Maybe a thousand. These cores could be used in the pseudo solid concept you're working with. Imagine a path that is slightly V shaped. Along this path there is pairs of cores in parallell, after one another, laying there in the "groove" of the path. When the magnet approach, the magnet will separate the pairs forcing each core to roll up the V shape on each side, but when the magnet has passed, the cores will roll back towards eachother again.


The inertia in the cores will delay the separation a bit but the magnetic force separates them quite quick, and gravity will slowly pull the cores together again behind the magnet. Do you see the scenario Butch?
In the front of the magnet the cores will pull greater than the pull from the cores behind it. You can stop the magnet manually, and run it backwards without re-aligning anything. The inertia in the cores will do the neccessary work for you in order to produce more forward trust than backward trust...or what do you think?


I do think only experimentally. My mind smells some fishy here - but I guess it is worth a try. I finally have my garage ready to be used to do some experiments, so I will try this myself too. And all my magnets has bee screaming for something to do the whole winter, last summer, and the winter before that...


Vidar
I think I see what you are talking about. I will make a drawimg and you tell me if I am close.
Butch
Title: Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
Post by: gammarayburst on May 23, 2012, 05:17:38 PM
Thanks for these videos. You should know that it's essential to understand the thought behind all designs - in order to get others interested in the matter or letting people participate. If anyone jumps in trying to read a random LaFonte topic in this forum he will understand exactly nothing. I am still not 100% clear on this principle but with these videos (people should also watch the other videos in your channel) it makes much more sense now and one can deduct what you try to achieve with each different design.

(The whole matter should still be structured somehow like e.g. a sticky post explaining the basics of it (+ some of your videos) whereas the different designs may stay in different topics as they already are).
Maybe I should take a break and organize all my work and present it properly, but I am so bad at presentation and education with my work.
My mind just keeps jumping back to thinking about designs and concepts. I have thousands of designs and many were built and tested and videoed but it's not all on one site on the web. I can come up with two designs a day at least, but can't present them the way they need to be. What would be perfect is to have someone presenting the designs the proper way as I come up with them but that is a fantacy not something that will ever happen. This latest pseudo solid design with the plates is so clearly overunity. If I just had the resources to build it!
Maybe someone will and put it on the web. I will try anyway here with the little resources I have. The plates seperate we have proven, the magnets pull to the next closed plate set with no cogging and the cycle starts again. It's been shown in video's and it just needs to be built as a complete machine.
Butch
 
Title: Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
Post by: gammarayburst on May 23, 2012, 06:57:02 PM
No your not you just think you are.

You are actually extremely limited in your theory because you have no idea as to what is going on.
All you see is those magnets move and you think you can use that to make some sort of magic magnet motor that will run all by itself.
But you fail to see the bigger picture.
If you know what is going on then where is your over unity machine??? I'm sure I will get words only and no link to your machine.
Hell, you don't even have a name.
No theory, no designs, no video, no built and tested designs posted, no research, no nothing but talk. No one has a self running magnet motor at this time. Why don't you give those others researchers your grief and leave us alone. At least we are trying to develope something. Until someone gets something running we are all failures. If you have it figured out then build it and show it to us and in the mean time keep you mouth shut.
Your just a coward hidding behind a screen name. You probably work for big oil.
 
Title: Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
Post by: gammarayburst on May 23, 2012, 10:05:04 PM
There is no overunity machine because it does not work like that.
You can only understand why it does not work like that.
This means there is nothing more then words to tell (like you have been doing all these years)untill you disassociate the field from the magnet.
You should know that by now or at least wonder why you don't suceed.

How many non working devices do you need to build to make you see ?

Your stuck untill you disassociate the field from the magnet.

It's easy to say where is your over unity machine and to say that i work for the big oil.
None of this is true so at least my words are valid compared to yours but it will take you a long time to figure that out if you do not realize you have to disassociate the field from the magnet.

And this is a dicussion board you don't post something and then tell somebody to keep their mouth shut.
If you can't handle the reaction you should stop posting your crap to start with.
Just as I said, nothing but talk. You need to be on a blog not a research forum.
Title: Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
Post by: Low-Q on May 23, 2012, 10:59:40 PM
No your not you just think you are.

You are actually extremely limited in your theory because you have no idea as to what is going on.
All you see is those magnets move and you think you can use that to make some sort of magic magnet motor that will run all by itself.
But you fail to see the bigger picture.
Progress is made where you cross the limits of established truth. Butch, and many with him is crossing lines all the time. It is important  to do so in order to make progress. Great inventions are not made by a person which obeys the established laws of physics. Great inventions are made by people who dare to think outside the box, and dare to try - unconcerned by the impossible. You are not outside that box. Therfor you don't have a clue what is going on.


Vidar
Title: For Vidar, core layout?
Post by: gammarayburst on May 23, 2012, 11:04:26 PM
Vidar,
Is this what you are talking about?
If not, shoot us a drawing.
Butch
Note: Ferro-magnetic horseshoe not shown in left illustration.
Title: CORRECTION to last post
Post by: gammarayburst on May 23, 2012, 11:06:33 PM
Vidar,
 
Title: Correction to last post
Post by: gammarayburst on May 23, 2012, 11:09:49 PM
Vidar,
The lower magnet color codes in the right illustration are reversed. It should be blue on top, red on bottom. Sorry, got in a hurry.
Butch
Title: Corrected drawing
Post by: gammarayburst on May 23, 2012, 11:14:55 PM
See attached
Title: Re: For Vidar, core layout?
Post by: Low-Q on May 24, 2012, 01:51:09 PM
Vidar,
Is this what you are talking about?
If not, shoot us a drawing.
Butch
Note: Ferro-magnetic horseshoe not shown in left illustration.
That is correct except that the lengt of the cores is longer than the diameter.


I tested this yesterday. The cores will stick together along the length, partially preventing them to separate under the magnet - because the cores right under the magnet is also sticking to the cores in front.
That will also reduce the effect of attracting to the pair of cores which is still together (like the experiment you did with the horizontal pendulum and the iron bars - the magnet attracted to the pair next to the separated ones).


I will do another experiment with some sort of hinges between the cores (in length direction) so the end of the core closest to the magnet can separate (Like a V) even if it is stuck to the core in front.
This is why I have suggested you to use two parallell bicycle chains instead ;-)


Vidar
Title: Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
Post by: Low-Q on May 24, 2012, 02:50:33 PM
May I predict a problem with the concept in this thread?


The magnet will force the iron parts apart. This will create tension in the chain of iron parts. This tension will counterforce the magnet backwards. At the same time, the magnet is attracted to the iron parts which has not yet separated - right in front of the magnet. My prediction is that these two forces, mechanical and magnetic, will cancel out net force in any direction so the magnet wont go anywhere.


Butch, could you please consider this prediction, and tell me what you think?


Vidar
Title: Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
Post by: gammarayburst on May 24, 2012, 04:04:34 PM
May I predict a problem with the concept in this thread?


The magnet will force the iron parts apart. This will create tension in the chain of iron parts. This tension will counterforce the magnet backwards. At the same time, the magnet is attracted to the iron parts which has not yet separated - right in front of the magnet. My prediction is that these two forces, mechanical and magnetic, will cancel out net force in any direction so the magnet wont go anywhere.


Butch, could you please consider this prediction, and tell me what you think?


Vidar
Vidar,
Mark's video with the swing arm clearly shows that there is no back pull at all. Also the pull forward to the next set of closed bars is very strong with no cogging. I don't understand the tension you speak of, do you mean mechanical or magnetic tension? If mechanical that would not be a problem as each plate set is seperated from the other plate sets by an air gap (.005"). Also I am doing some testing with the attached magnet layouts. Will let you know what results I get. I have also attached some additional concepts you might be interested in.
Butch
Title: Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
Post by: gammarayburst on May 24, 2012, 04:12:32 PM
You don't understand.
Butch is the one that is inside the box.
That is why he doesn't make any progress.

You got one thing right do, he is crossing lines.
Magnetic field lines.
He thinks it's the magnets.
I can show him no it isn't but he just don't care.
That's not thinking with an open mind and that's not thinking outside the box.
That's more like whatever the fuck someone say's i am going to stay inside my little box.

When i say his designs cannot possibly work he asks me to show him my working device.
That's the world up side down because i can only show him why it does not work.
In stead of discussing why it cannot work he starts to argue with me about my name about the oil company i suppose to work for about me showing him a working device because he is so convinced it can be done his way.
You see this is all irrelevant and then he tells me to keep my mouth shut.
The stubborn fool.

I know one thing his devices will never work unless he realizes you need to disassociate the magnetic field from the magnet.
And i can defenatly prove that with many experiments.
Yes that's right these experiments exist, it's a funny thing you know, there is actually proof, and it can show Butch he needs to look elsewhere.
The proof is indeniable but Butch won't even concider looking at it.

That is why i take the effort to post now and then mentioning these experiments so people who read this know of their existence and can look into it before they spend all their time and money on a non working LaFonte design.
Because that's the last thing we need.
Lets see these experiments, post them now, what are you waiting for? Video's would be great! We are all waiting. Please post.
Butch
Title: Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
Post by: Low-Q on May 24, 2012, 04:31:47 PM
Vidar,
Mark's video with the swing arm clearly shows that there is no back pull at all. Also the pull forward to the next set of closed bars is very strong with no cogging. I don't understand the tension you speak of, do you mean mechanical or magnetic tension? If mechanical that would not be a problem as each plate set is seperated from the other plate sets by an air gap (.005"). Also I am doing some testing with the attached magnet layouts. Will let you know what results I get. I have also attached some additional concepts you might be interested in.
Butch
I am not sure about the tension or if it is a problem. There is other approach to your design that might solve the issue.



I must try this in practice. I will take apart an old worn out bicycle and use the chain to demonstrate what I mean. Hopefully I can make a video that will be posted at OU.com


Vidar
Title: Interesting sequence using Pseudo Solid principle
Post by: gammarayburst on May 24, 2012, 04:53:46 PM
See attached, magnets are between two plates. Also, wedge shape elements drawing was posted in error, it does not work. Sorry
Butch
Title: Optional layout
Post by: gammarayburst on May 25, 2012, 12:02:20 AM
See attached, I wonder, the center magnet could be eliminated and it would still work, but the center magnet keeps the magnetic field running a short path between magnets.
Butch
Title: Rotary layout
Post by: gammarayburst on May 25, 2012, 05:06:12 AM
See attached, Work elements are closed when rotor magnets cross element/disk interface. Then start to open when magnets are completely over work elements.
Butch
Title: Additional rotary design
Post by: gammarayburst on May 25, 2012, 11:24:01 PM
See attached,
Thanks,
Butch
Title: Easy build test fixture for LaFonte Pseudo Solid principle
Post by: gammarayburst on May 27, 2012, 06:47:52 PM
See attached drawings, the field can not flow down the vertical bars to the lower bars assembly when they are vertical due to cross section being saturated.
Butch