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Author Topic: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology  (Read 20082 times)

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Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2012, 11:22:20 PM »
Butch,


I have lots of small cylindrical iron powder cores at work. Maybe a thousand. These cores could be used in the pseudo solid concept you're working with. Imagine a path that is slightly V shaped. Along this path there is pairs of cores in parallell, after one another, laying there in the "groove" of the path. When the magnet approach, the magnet will separate the pairs forcing each core to roll up the V shape on each side, but when the magnet has passed, the cores will roll back towards eachother again.


The inertia in the cores will delay the separation a bit but the magnetic force separates them quite quick, and gravity will slowly pull the cores together again behind the magnet. Do you see the scenario Butch?
In the front of the magnet the cores will pull greater than the pull from the cores behind it. You can stop the magnet manually, and run it backwards without re-aligning anything. The inertia in the cores will do the neccessary work for you in order to produce more forward trust than backward trust...or what do you think?


I do think only experimentally. My mind smells some fishy here - but I guess it is worth a try. I finally have my garage ready to be used to do some experiments, so I will try this myself too. And all my magnets has bee screaming for something to do the whole winter, last summer, and the winter before that...


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Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2012, 04:39:48 PM »
My skills in presentation are lacking I know. I am best at concepts and theory.
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Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2012, 04:54:25 PM »
Animations are good. Practical experiments are even better. In addition an explaining text with referenc to different parts, situations etc. will help.
However, when one have lots of ideas in mind at the same time, it is easier to poor all those ideas in a forum, but the inventor often forgets that his thinking is not clear to others. My logic not allways seems to make sense to others. Butch have a little to learn about educational approach to members. But one cannot be a creative inventor AND have educational skills to make others understand clearly what you're doing :-))
My personal experience is tha I now is more able to "read" Butch' mind, if you know what I mean. I see a drawing, the comment "See attached", and I understand the concept pretty fast. Maybe because I'm also a creative inventor - thinking in the same ways as he does ;-))) What do you think Butch?
I move so fast with my ideas that I can't keep up with presentation quality like I should. I have no presentation talents I know and yes you are right, people after a while learn to "read" my designs. Mark can take a 2D drawing I send him and build it with no or very few questions. It took about a year for him to get that way. I think up ideas faster than I can have them built or presented properly. There is a certain magic in this pseudo solid design I posted here. I hope people can see the very clear overunity potential in it. It is just a matter of engineering the test fixture for self running.
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Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
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Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2012, 04:58:02 PM »
Butch,


I have lots of small cylindrical iron powder cores at work. Maybe a thousand. These cores could be used in the pseudo solid concept you're working with. Imagine a path that is slightly V shaped. Along this path there is pairs of cores in parallell, after one another, laying there in the "groove" of the path. When the magnet approach, the magnet will separate the pairs forcing each core to roll up the V shape on each side, but when the magnet has passed, the cores will roll back towards eachother again.


The inertia in the cores will delay the separation a bit but the magnetic force separates them quite quick, and gravity will slowly pull the cores together again behind the magnet. Do you see the scenario Butch?
In the front of the magnet the cores will pull greater than the pull from the cores behind it. You can stop the magnet manually, and run it backwards without re-aligning anything. The inertia in the cores will do the neccessary work for you in order to produce more forward trust than backward trust...or what do you think?


I do think only experimentally. My mind smells some fishy here - but I guess it is worth a try. I finally have my garage ready to be used to do some experiments, so I will try this myself too. And all my magnets has bee screaming for something to do the whole winter, last summer, and the winter before that...


Vidar
I think I see what you are talking about. I will make a drawimg and you tell me if I am close.
Butch

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Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2012, 05:17:38 PM »
Thanks for these videos. You should know that it's essential to understand the thought behind all designs - in order to get others interested in the matter or letting people participate. If anyone jumps in trying to read a random LaFonte topic in this forum he will understand exactly nothing. I am still not 100% clear on this principle but with these videos (people should also watch the other videos in your channel) it makes much more sense now and one can deduct what you try to achieve with each different design.

(The whole matter should still be structured somehow like e.g. a sticky post explaining the basics of it (+ some of your videos) whereas the different designs may stay in different topics as they already are).
Maybe I should take a break and organize all my work and present it properly, but I am so bad at presentation and education with my work.
My mind just keeps jumping back to thinking about designs and concepts. I have thousands of designs and many were built and tested and videoed but it's not all on one site on the web. I can come up with two designs a day at least, but can't present them the way they need to be. What would be perfect is to have someone presenting the designs the proper way as I come up with them but that is a fantacy not something that will ever happen. This latest pseudo solid design with the plates is so clearly overunity. If I just had the resources to build it!
Maybe someone will and put it on the web. I will try anyway here with the little resources I have. The plates seperate we have proven, the magnets pull to the next closed plate set with no cogging and the cycle starts again. It's been shown in video's and it just needs to be built as a complete machine.
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Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
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Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2012, 06:57:02 PM »
No your not you just think you are.

You are actually extremely limited in your theory because you have no idea as to what is going on.
All you see is those magnets move and you think you can use that to make some sort of magic magnet motor that will run all by itself.
But you fail to see the bigger picture.
If you know what is going on then where is your over unity machine??? I'm sure I will get words only and no link to your machine.
Hell, you don't even have a name.
No theory, no designs, no video, no built and tested designs posted, no research, no nothing but talk. No one has a self running magnet motor at this time. Why don't you give those others researchers your grief and leave us alone. At least we are trying to develope something. Until someone gets something running we are all failures. If you have it figured out then build it and show it to us and in the mean time keep you mouth shut.
Your just a coward hidding behind a screen name. You probably work for big oil.
 

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Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2012, 10:05:04 PM »
There is no overunity machine because it does not work like that.
You can only understand why it does not work like that.
This means there is nothing more then words to tell (like you have been doing all these years)untill you disassociate the field from the magnet.
You should know that by now or at least wonder why you don't suceed.

How many non working devices do you need to build to make you see ?

Your stuck untill you disassociate the field from the magnet.

It's easy to say where is your over unity machine and to say that i work for the big oil.
None of this is true so at least my words are valid compared to yours but it will take you a long time to figure that out if you do not realize you have to disassociate the field from the magnet.

And this is a dicussion board you don't post something and then tell somebody to keep their mouth shut.
If you can't handle the reaction you should stop posting your crap to start with.
Just as I said, nothing but talk. You need to be on a blog not a research forum.

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Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2012, 10:59:40 PM »
No your not you just think you are.

You are actually extremely limited in your theory because you have no idea as to what is going on.
All you see is those magnets move and you think you can use that to make some sort of magic magnet motor that will run all by itself.
But you fail to see the bigger picture.
Progress is made where you cross the limits of established truth. Butch, and many with him is crossing lines all the time. It is important  to do so in order to make progress. Great inventions are not made by a person which obeys the established laws of physics. Great inventions are made by people who dare to think outside the box, and dare to try - unconcerned by the impossible. You are not outside that box. Therfor you don't have a clue what is going on.


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« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2012, 11:04:26 PM »
Vidar,
Is this what you are talking about?
If not, shoot us a drawing.
Butch
Note: Ferro-magnetic horseshoe not shown in left illustration.

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« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2012, 11:06:33 PM »
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« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2012, 11:09:49 PM »
Vidar,
The lower magnet color codes in the right illustration are reversed. It should be blue on top, red on bottom. Sorry, got in a hurry.
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Re: For Vidar, core layout?
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2012, 01:51:09 PM »
Vidar,
Is this what you are talking about?
If not, shoot us a drawing.
Butch
Note: Ferro-magnetic horseshoe not shown in left illustration.
That is correct except that the lengt of the cores is longer than the diameter.


I tested this yesterday. The cores will stick together along the length, partially preventing them to separate under the magnet - because the cores right under the magnet is also sticking to the cores in front.
That will also reduce the effect of attracting to the pair of cores which is still together (like the experiment you did with the horizontal pendulum and the iron bars - the magnet attracted to the pair next to the separated ones).


I will do another experiment with some sort of hinges between the cores (in length direction) so the end of the core closest to the magnet can separate (Like a V) even if it is stuck to the core in front.
This is why I have suggested you to use two parallell bicycle chains instead ;-)


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Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2012, 02:50:33 PM »
May I predict a problem with the concept in this thread?


The magnet will force the iron parts apart. This will create tension in the chain of iron parts. This tension will counterforce the magnet backwards. At the same time, the magnet is attracted to the iron parts which has not yet separated - right in front of the magnet. My prediction is that these two forces, mechanical and magnetic, will cancel out net force in any direction so the magnet wont go anywhere.


Butch, could you please consider this prediction, and tell me what you think?


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Re: Basic Operating Principle LaFonte Pseudo Solid Technology
« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2012, 04:04:34 PM »
May I predict a problem with the concept in this thread?


The magnet will force the iron parts apart. This will create tension in the chain of iron parts. This tension will counterforce the magnet backwards. At the same time, the magnet is attracted to the iron parts which has not yet separated - right in front of the magnet. My prediction is that these two forces, mechanical and magnetic, will cancel out net force in any direction so the magnet wont go anywhere.


Butch, could you please consider this prediction, and tell me what you think?


Vidar
Vidar,
Mark's video with the swing arm clearly shows that there is no back pull at all. Also the pull forward to the next set of closed bars is very strong with no cogging. I don't understand the tension you speak of, do you mean mechanical or magnetic tension? If mechanical that would not be a problem as each plate set is seperated from the other plate sets by an air gap (.005"). Also I am doing some testing with the attached magnet layouts. Will let you know what results I get. I have also attached some additional concepts you might be interested in.
Butch

 

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