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Title: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: bajac on May 08, 2012, 01:14:01 AM
I wanted to post a document that might explain how the radiant energy devices work. See attached PDF document.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: sparks on May 08, 2012, 05:51:21 PM
I wanted to post a document that might explain how the radiant energy devices work. See attached PDF document.

   I believe that all resonance used by Tesla et al. is to convert small gains at high voltage and frequency to usable current.  Parametric resonance.  A spark gap can capacitively couple a primary power scource with a secondary.  The energy is transferred to the secondary which is ringing at the desired frequency.  The current and voltage in the secondary can become thousands of magnitudes that of the input very quickly.  Say your input is 60hz ac 20kv.  You want  8million volts at 1 megaherz.  You build your secondary to be resonant at 1 megahertz and attach through the gap to the 60hz 20kv supply.  Over a period of time the secondary will climb to 8million volts 80 or 90 amp 1 megahertz.  This is no different than spinning up a flywheel with a little motor, waiting then coupling the flywheel to a big generator. You can go the other way also and spin the flywheel up with a big motor for a short time and have the little generator put out for a long time.  No magic.  But say you are pickingup in the spark gap itself 1 microwatt per secondary cycle.  The secondary is being fed this microwatt one million times a second for a gain of 1watt second.  No big deal we need killowatt hours.  Say that gap is picking up 1 watt per secondary cycle.  Now your talking.  That's a million watt seconds.  One million watts for one second or 1 watt for a million seconds.  100 times 10 to the 4th divided by 36 times 10 to the second.  Just about enough to power a small 1/2 horsepower motor all day.  You can burn atomospheric nitrogen in a spark gap for gain.  Not a good thing.  Plenty of oxidized nitrogen around from combustion engines.  The emradiation from a spark gap is evidence that electrons are slowing down there.  An electron in a higher orbital is dropping to a lower one.  This is an exothermic process.  Could an electric field act as a catalyst in cooling electrons.  The electrons fall to a lower orbital and voila photon generation.  The field extracts enough energy from the electron so that it takes the plunge. This emits emradiation from whatever excited the electron to begin with.  (big bang?)  The photon emitted by the cooled electron now radiates and is absorbed by surrounding atoms.  They take the leap the other way going excited and then cooled but they drop two shells because of electrostatic cooling.  Pretty soon there is a shitload of emradiation coming out of that gap. This energy and wavelength is enough to ionize the atoms of the gas and in the gap plasma begins to form.  The plasma is highly conductive and the gap will short unless a magnetic field is employed to control it's structure.
That plasma when condensed into a hot gas can easily radiate one watt of power.  The surface of the sun is said to be hot.  This is crap.  It's warm.  The corona is hot.  This is where the plasma changes phase into a thermally hot gas.  The fusion process within the sun produces less thermal heat per volume than the metabolic conversion of a sloth.  It's just that it's alot of volume. How can something this diffuse produce millions of degrees.  The energy is stored in a magnetcally confined plasma which gets hotter and hotter as plasma goes.  This plasma is not magnetically confined perfectly.  Some of it finds it's way to the coronasphere where it converts into a thermally hot gas.  This conversion of the plasma to a gas is accompanied by production of atoms.  Magnetic storms on the surface of the sun allow for huge amounts of plasma to migrate from the normal cellular structrue of the solar plasmasphere.  This causes a large conversion of plasma into gas and a solar flare is born.  Pieces of the plasma can be accelerated by the magnetic storm and remain as plasma reaching the earth where they encounter earths mag field and slow down and combine into atoms accompanied by emradiation.  Good energy transport scheme.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: bajac on May 09, 2012, 12:11:05 AM
Sparks, I do not understand the point you are trying to make. If you read the document, do you have any comment about it? What do you agree or disagree with? Is there anything that you consider of interest in the document? Look at the document as something different from what you have learned?
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: bajac on May 15, 2012, 01:31:09 AM
It is interesting to compare the circuit disclosed by Edwin Gray and the Tesla patent #568,176 dated September 22, 1894. I have attached the first page of the patent. As shown on this page, Fig. 1 is a circuit consisting of inductors, capacitor, transformer (Tesla's), and a controller (interrupter). See a pattern? ==> High voltage capacitor (H), controller C (functioning as the spark gap), primary wires K (functioning as the electrodes), and secondary wire L (acting as a grid).
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: sparks on May 15, 2012, 08:49:03 PM
  I did read your post and appreciate the amount of work invested in this post.  Certainly a high voltage field is involved in many of the devices under consideration for energy collection.  Eric Dollard describes a wave produced by Tesla that is infinite in magnitude and infintesimal in length.  Such a wave could  be considered as existing in the emradiation spectrum well above gamma.  Moray also believed that his system was working with frequencies well above gamma.  Tesla's wave would appear to produce an electrostatic field because there is no sensible time variant amplitude to the wave,  when what is being considered an electrostatic field is a large number of  waves with infinite amplitude and infintesimal wave length.  These waves would terminate at the conductor.  The closest thing I can describe these as are transient voltage spikes generated at different times.  We know that the electric fields associated with uv frequency wavelength radiation is very capable of ionizing atoms due to the fields interference with the columb force that exists between the neucleus and the atom.  Shorter wavelengths affecting smaller and smaller scale until we get to gamma and this field is enough to effect subatomic particle structure.  I believe this electrostatic field we see in many of the devices is somehow disrupting the normal flow of energy which may well be a "universal" frequency of which all matter is a product of.  Matter as we now it basically a subeat of this frequency.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: bajac on May 20, 2012, 03:36:11 AM
 Why did Mr. Gray place the carbon resistor (30) inside the energy conversion element (14)?
The integration of dissimilar materials [such as the carbon resistor (30) and the electrode (32)] might also help on minimizing the radiation effect resulting from electrode (32). Because the carbon has a lower atomic mass than the metals, it should have higher exciting energy. I am assuming that materials with higher charge densities should also have lower exciting energy levels. If this is the case, the resistor (30) could decrease the level of the residual electrostatic voltage induced with respect to the electrode (32). Because the vacuum tube rectifier (28) blocks any current coming from the negatively charged electrode (32), the latter can remain charged due to the small parasitic capacitance existing between this electrode and the other two elements; the electrode (12) and the grid (34). Any residual charge will generate a parasitic voltage between the elements of the energy conversion device (14) that can negatively affect the performance of the capacitor (16). The effect of this residual voltage is to oppose the voltage of the capacitor (16) when the contact in the distributor (26) closes the circuit. In other words, the voltage between the spark gap electrodes (12 & 32) is the voltage of the capacitor (16) minus the voltage of the battery (40) minus the residual electrostatic voltage. If the residual electrostatic voltage reaches a critical level; it can kill the radiant phenomenon.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: jbignes5 on June 28, 2012, 11:54:22 PM
http://www.rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm#press (http://www.rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm#press)


 Read and enjoy. This is what gray was hiding.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: bajac on June 29, 2012, 02:48:13 AM
jbignes5 (http://www.overunity.com/profile/jbignes5.25455/), thanks for the information. I glanced it and looks very interesting. It will take me some time to finish it reading.

It seems that the article explains the power gains based on plasma events. However, it does not explain the power gain of the over unity apparatus using induction coils, only.

Thanks again!bajac.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: jbignes5 on June 29, 2012, 02:15:59 PM
http://www.rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm#press (http://www.rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm#press)


 Read and enjoy. This is what gray was hiding.


 Here is the drawings of the gray tube properly designed.


http://www.rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm#5449989 (http://www.rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm#5449989)


 figure 18.

Well the title is "Radiant Electriciy Generated with "Spark Gaps" and Induction Coils"
 So generate the radiant energy via spark gap then harvest via induction coil(s). Very simple...
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: sparks on July 01, 2012, 10:18:34 PM
    A spark gap is a multispectrum transmitter.  It is powered by electron rest mass conversion to kinetic energy. Pick a frequency setup an antennae and tune to the thousands of frequencies obtainable in a spark gap emission.  Tesla's greatest contribution to radio was the utilization of electrical resonance both in the transmitter and receiver.  He patented the whole idea of channels.  They had wireless transmission of information via morse code.  This was discovered by accident when relay points on telegraph stations would complete circuits without the armature moving.  The plasma would short the input relay contacts and allow the output relay to energise.  They realized that you didnt need a complete circuit to convey information,  Without Tesla's invention there was total chaos in the information systems due to the large number of messages being sent via multispectrum emissions.  Tesla gave us the resonate electrical service to filter out all the messages except those on a specific carrier wave.  This allowed receivers and transmitters to simoultaneously transmit information instead of waiting for other stations to shutup.
 
  @bigJ
 
   NICE
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: jbignes5 on July 02, 2012, 02:38:30 PM
    A spark gap is a multispectrum transmitter.  It is powered by electron rest mass conversion to kinetic energy. Pick a frequency setup an antennae and tune to the thousands of frequencies obtainable in a spark gap emission.  Tesla's greatest contribution to radio was the utilization of electrical resonance both in the transmitter and receiver.  He patented the whole idea of channels.  They had wireless transmission of information via morse code.  This was discovered by accident when relay points on telegraph stations would complete circuits without the armature moving.  The plasma would short the input relay contacts and allow the output relay to energise.  They realized that you didnt need a complete circuit to convey information,  Without Tesla's invention there was total chaos in the information systems due to the large number of messages being sent via multispectrum emissions.  Tesla gave us the resonate electrical service to filter out all the messages except those on a specific carrier wave.  This allowed receivers and transmitters to simoultaneously transmit information instead of waiting for other stations to shutup.
 
  @bigJ
 
   NICE


 Not multispectrum but broadband emission, you had the Idea of it right. Resonance only plays a role to tuning on the receiver. The actual spark emission is the broadband part then it can be tuned by a filter of sorts (metal via mass and shape). Resonance is usually on the receiver side and is used to be selective to a certain range of the filtered broadband emission.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: sparks on July 02, 2012, 05:45:00 PM
   Your right jbigness it was late and I kind of questioned the word transmitter should have used emitter?  I do believe however that Tesla used resonance in his transformers.  The transformer secondaries are tuned to block the oscillations emitted by the gap. The secondary serves as both antennae and oscillator.  The secondary offers infinite impedance to the signal.  Therefore the energy produced in the spark gap is not radiated it remains in the oscillator/antennae with very high voltages appearing at either end of the secondary.  The secondary inductance coil is designed so that it has very low distributed capacitance.  He wants to charge what is commonly called the top load capacitor.  He not only wants to charge the topload metal capacitor near field he wants to create a top load capacitor that comprises all of the medium between  transmitter and receiver.  It is just my opinion but I believe he was planning to create a man made ionosphere.  The biggest discovery of Tesla was that the dry sandy colorado springs location where he couldn't establish a ground for his lightning arrestors were conducting telluric currents.  By producing mechanical oscillations in the ground he made the telluric currents in the field of his transmitter to become wavelike.  Sound waves would travel through the Earth and reach
receivers that were now observers of telluric currents of varying intensity.   I don't know about you but every time I see a change in current it results in change in the magnetic field surrounding the currents.  Telluric currents appear to be gravity currents as they flow towards massive objects.  As the Earth spins in relationship to the massive sun currents appear to reverse in the rest frame of a person on earth.  The currents do not reverse the observer changes position relative to the telluric currents.  They pretty much flow from one massive object to another.  When a massive amount of the Sun reaches Earth during a solar storm event the telluric currents which give rise to magnetic permeability of everything they flow throw are accelerated by all this mass that shouldn't be there. AC transformer cores rely heavily on core saturation parameters to impede current flow from line to line.  When the telluric currents are altered so is the magnetic permeability of all the metals on Earth.  High voltage primaries see no impedance from line to line and short circuit.  Substation voltage regulators don't work properly either because they are magnetic amplifiers drawing on current to increase voltage available to the load. 
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: jbignes5 on July 03, 2012, 12:06:58 AM
   Your right jbigness it was late and I kind of questioned the word transmitter should have used emitter?  I do believe however that Tesla used resonance in his transformers.  The transformer secondaries are tuned to block the oscillations emitted by the gap. The secondary serves as both antennae and oscillator.  The secondary offers infinite impedance to the signal.  Therefore the energy produced in the spark gap is not radiated it remains in the oscillator/antennae with very high voltages appearing at either end of the secondary.  The secondary inductance coil is designed so that it has very low distributed capacitance.  He wants to charge what is commonly called the top load capacitor.  He not only wants to charge the topload metal capacitor near field he wants to create a top load capacitor that comprises all of the medium between  transmitter and receiver.  It is just my opinion but I believe he was planning to create a man made ionosphere.  The biggest discovery of Tesla was that the dry sandy colorado springs location where he couldn't establish a ground for his lightning arrestors were conducting telluric currents.  By producing mechanical oscillations in the ground he made the telluric currents in the field of his transmitter to become wavelike.  Sound waves would travel through the Earth and reach
receivers that were now observers of telluric currents of varying intensity.   I don't know about you but every time I see a change in current it results in change in the magnetic field surrounding the currents.  Telluric currents appear to be gravity currents as they flow towards massive objects.  As the Earth spins in relationship to the massive sun currents appear to reverse in the rest frame of a person on earth.  The currents do not reverse the observer changes position relative to the telluric currents.  They pretty much flow from one massive object to another.  When a massive amount of the Sun reaches Earth during a solar storm event the telluric currents which give rise to magnetic permeability of everything they flow throw are accelerated by all this mass that shouldn't be there. AC transformer cores rely heavily on core saturation parameters to impede current flow from line to line.  When the telluric currents are altered so is the magnetic permeability of all the metals on Earth.  High voltage primaries see no impedance from line to line and short circuit.  Substation voltage regulators don't work properly either because they are magnetic amplifiers drawing on current to increase voltage available to the load.


 Again I have to agree that resonance will only help the driver side but it is not necessary to get the effect. Resonance must be in the receiver only as a rule. Resonance has a role in only the matter side but the network in between matter is always at resonance. We must shift the resonance of matter to adjust to the natural resonance of this network. This can be done via the electric field as proved by Itsu. But in reaching resonance of matter to this natural inter space network the more it increases it's density. This amplifies or augments the matters ability to conduct energy through expansion of this internal energy network.


 Just as much as we can create a magnetic field we can create an electric field that is cheaper and way less of a cost to make in every way. It also works over vast distances for transmission with very little loss. This also can be done via one wire transmission so that we can amplify or augment two points in space to conduct all forms of movement better. That includes us as well. Tesla reported having better energy and clearer thoughts in this enhanced fields. But it has to be in moderation, so partial shielding must be used to reduce exposure to the humans using the device. Although it isn't deadly at higher frequencies it still needs to be explored to the effects on the human being.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: bajac on August 02, 2012, 02:15:56 AM
One of the most difficult electrical subjects that I encountered is “grounding”. Most electrical engineers never really master this subject. I am speaking based on my own experience with colleagues who are seniors with 50+ years of electrical engineering practice. These engineers do not really design grounding systems but instead copy over a grounding design from previous projects or use tables without truly understanding their limitations.

Power books just tell the importance of grounding power systems by stating that dangerous over voltages can be induced in ungrounded systems capable of breaking the insulations of electrical machines such as transformers, motors, etc. In one relay protection book, the over voltage of the ungrounded system is explained as caused by the resonance of the LC circuit formed by the cable inductances and the capacitance with respect to ground when a circuit breaker opens. But still, the books point out that there are unpredictable (and dangerous) over voltages in a steady state ungrounded power system. The design of ungrounded power systems require the monitoring and protection against these over voltages.

I was very surprised when I found the answer to this "problem" in a Tesla patent No. 685,957 “Apparatus For The Utilization Of Radiant Energy” dated November 05, 1901.

In this patent, Tesla explains that a capacitor with one terminal connected to ground and the other terminal connected to a metal plate will continuously charge up indefinitely until the dielectric strength of the insulator in the capacitor is broken. This is exactly the case for ungrounded transmission line systems. If the secondary of the transformer connected to the transmission lines is not grounded, the isolated secondary of the transformer forms a capacitor with respect to the grounded enclosure and iron core. The radiant energy, as explained by Tesla, will eventually charge up the parasitic capacitance in the secondary winding until the transformer insulation breaks leaving it permanently damaged.

Then I asked the following question, why such important information that directly affects the design of today’s electrical power systems is not mentioned in the books?

I strongly believe this is not a coincidence. This information is suppressed because it immediately leads to the concept of the utilization of free energy. One may ask, if this free voltage is induced, could its energy be tapped?

Thanks!

I HAVE ATTACHED A DOCUMENT THAT EXPLAINS THIS EVENT IN MORE DETAILS!

Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: wings on August 02, 2012, 10:09:28 AM
http://www.rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm#press (http://www.rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm#press)


 Read and enjoy. This is what gray was hiding.

Related post

http://www.overunity.com/1965/correas-pagd-in-action/nowap/#.UBo1KMg0NjM

Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: antimony on March 28, 2017, 05:12:54 PM
I did not want to post a new thread about what i "discovered" just now.
Its new to me at least.

I am starting out playing with my Tesla coil/Moroz spark gap generator when i tried to ground my spark gap and The flourecent bulb lit up to like 80% and The amp wen down from 1,6 down to 0,8 A.

What happened? :)
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: TinselKoala on March 28, 2017, 07:00:10 PM
You went from having an extremely inefficient circuit to one that is just very inefficient.    ;)
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: antimony on March 29, 2017, 11:11:23 AM
You went from having an extremely inefficient circuit to one that is just very inefficient.    ;)

Haha, yeah. Thats right. :)

I am just starting out playing with these sort of "systems" or technology, and i was surprised when the bulb lit up like that.
The flyback starts to ring, and the SG doesn´t spark anymore, at all.

Anyway, it doesn´t light up an incandecent bulb at all, so i guess it needs more current, or what? 
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: TinselKoala on March 29, 2017, 12:56:56 PM
Maybe so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULDh8sTc8Kw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BMRJoqdy6E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BMRJoqdy6E)

 8)
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: AlienGrey on March 29, 2017, 05:33:58 PM
It's a simple fact the base of the Tesla coil is CURRENT (Amps) and the Topend is High Voltage, BEMF is produced when the magnetic field collapses in the drive coil, the lower the circuit resistance in the on off switch the higher the BEMF. If you experimented you would already know that.

AG
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: antimony on March 31, 2017, 09:52:15 AM
It's a simple fact the base of the Tesla coil is CURRENT (Amps) and the Topend is High Voltage, BEMF is produced when the magnetic field collapses in the drive coil, the lower the circuit resistance in the on off switch the higher the BEMF. If you experimented you would already know that.

AG

Ok, im not 100% sure that i understand what you mean, but it clarified alot thou. I am going to check it out.

Yesterday i tried to put a ground on the base pin of my TIP3055 flyback driver, and the amp draw decreased by 0,2A, to 0,6A, while the small 11 watt bulb lit up a bit more, (~5%).

Did this lower the circuit resistance in the driver, or do i understand it all wrong?
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: dieter on April 02, 2017, 01:57:22 AM
From my POV, whenever there is a BEMF, there is a strong pull during which "the ground" becomes the positive pole. As its potential is the same as before, the BEMFs negative pole must be more negative than the ground. Therefor current may flow out of the ground. Same thing with lightnings that start at the ground.


A BEMF also pulls in other kinds of forces, radiant forces for instance.


Experimenting with a 3kV Sparkgap, shocking a graphite core, I observed strange reduction of power consumption: a coil around the core was pulsed at maybe 15kHz with short duty, the BEMF rectified and fed back into the battery, that run the whole 555+npn pulser unit. Even tho the 555 alone draws 10 mA at least, this circuit run for hours and barely drained the battery.
I had a strong feeling that the sparkplug and its cable that run diamerticly trough the coil, somehow greatly beefed up the BEMF.


Other things were: sparkgap increased in frequency and loudness, (a 3kV module running from seperate 3*1.5V batteries) despite the batteries voltage that you would expect to fall.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: nix85 on September 11, 2021, 03:54:44 PM
It's a simple fact the base of the Tesla coil is CURRENT (Amps) and the Topend is High Voltage

I seen this claim floating around and it's just wrong. Current is same in whole secondary coil, from bottom to top. Unless we are talking Don Smith center tapped and probably bucking secondary volt-amp separation which is another story.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: nix85 on September 20, 2021, 03:30:00 PM
Gotta correct myself, it seems this is commonly accepted for all antennas. See image below. Why i thought different is if you look at this representation of standing wave on a half wave dipole https://youtu.be/OuVQqFhualI?t=89 As you can clearly see there is one uniform current along the dipole. Question is if this IV nonlinearity happens also when antenna is not grounded.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: nix85 on September 20, 2021, 05:39:14 PM
Good video about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adJp1zO9qfo
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: nix85 on September 20, 2021, 07:16:14 PM
Another good video about this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Sgtq-ncZAE

I knew this but i didn't apply it to Tesla coil secondary. I already talked on this forum how impedance of an antenna is repeated every half wavelength down from the antenna, it does not matter what the characteristic impedance of the transmission line is (have to take into account velocity factor of the feedline).

Z = sqrt( L / C ) transmission line characteristic impedance

Along the open ended transmission line voltage and current waves reflect back and produce voltage and current nodes and antinodes 90° offset. Overall current being zero.

When we bend the end of the TL outward like an open capacitor we have an antenna and now energy can radiate.

We don't want standing waves along the transmission line which happens due to impedance mismatching of the antenna and the TL, only in the antenna itself. But there is no perfect matching so we have standing wave ratio etc.

Great demonstration of impedance matching vs standing/traveling waves.

https://youtu.be/DovunOxlY1k?t=795
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: onepower on September 21, 2021, 04:33:56 AM
Nix85

You are incorrect about the current being uniform in the secondary of a tesla coil with one open terminal.

First, the top or open terminal of the coil is the point of highest potential because the other end is usually attached to ground. Since it is at the highest potential it alternates between max/min charge density. Ergo the current cannot be the same at the top because the charge density is not the same due to the Coulomb forces present.

Thus as the potential changes so does the charge density and so must the motion of charges or current.

Your confusing a low voltage closed system with a high voltage open one which follows different rules.

Regards
AC



Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: nix85 on September 21, 2021, 10:27:18 AM
Seems you are incapable of understanding English. My post above literally says "Gotta correct myself" followed by a diagram showing IV distribution in the secondary and highlighted "current in the base is high and diminishes along the height of the coil". Which i further elaborated in next post about standing waves, IV nodes and antinodes in TLs and antennas and waves in any medium. I am not confusing anything, you are. This IV distribution applies to low voltages as well. Video of Jeri Ellsworth i linked clearly shows voltage and current distribution in a loop antenna with low voltage signal. Read, onepower, read.

Speaking of Coulomb forces you should've mentioned that Coulomb forces, that is, repulsion between electrons is the reason it takes higher voltage to pack more electrons on the plate of a capacitor, obviously, higher the electron density higher the repulsion to further electron inflow to the plate.

But electrons don't always repel, in superconductors they form Cooper pairs and their masses are less than masses of two electrons making them. Electrons also join in spark gap discharges in phenomena termed Electrum Validum aka 'strong electron' etc.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: nix85 on September 21, 2021, 01:20:30 PM
This is the best animation of halfwave dipole radiation, the memory effect aka kink etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaXm6wau-jc
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: nix85 on September 21, 2021, 02:59:39 PM
This video is bar far the best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Sgtq-ncZAE

I might also add a little about Helical antennas which i studied in depth years ago. Basically, if circumference of a coil is equal to a wavelength it will radiate circularly polarized waves in axial mode, that is, straight forward, they are used in space communication (because they are not angle-dependent and don't need perfect alignment), and if circumference is not equal to wavelength it will radiate sideways like a monopole. Circularly polarized waves can also be produced by two orthogonal halfwave dipoles 90° outta phase.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: onepower on September 21, 2021, 10:30:12 PM
nix85
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Seems you are incapable of understanding English. My post above literally says "Gotta correct myself" followed by a diagram showing IV distribution in the secondary and highlighted "current in the base is high and diminishes along the height of the coil".

My bad, I was rushing through the current posts and missed your correction.

I have found using analogies and visualizations can give us better insight.

For example we could imagine the charge density along the length of a tesla coil like a spring. The high potential at the top makes each turn of the spring repel the next turn more giving less turns per inch. Like wise near the bottom of the tesla coil the spring has less potential, less repulsion thus more turns per inch. So we can visualize how charge density in the tesla coil relates to the density of the turns on our spring.

We can also visualize the electrical pressure/flow of the system and understand that the point of highest potential is the point where the charges have nowhere to go. If the charges could move the potential would be lower but they cannot which is the reason why the highest potential/charge density equates to the lowest current flow. Likewise near the bottom of a grounded tesla coil or one attached to a large conducting object the charges do have a freedom of movement. So it seems reasonable that if the charges could move they would show us the region of the greatest current.

This is why I prefer visualizations over equations or math which seldom show us anything new. For example, if our charge density/spring was elastic we can imagine oscillations within oscillations. We could see longitudinal compression along the spring length, vertical deformation like a sine wave or a singular impulse like a soliton wave. The next step would be to imagine ways and means of making what we visualized a reality. This may be why some say "a picture is worth a thousand words"... or equations.

In fact Nikola Tesla claimed he visualized and perfected every concept/invention in his mind first. I believe this is why he made so many new discoveries while many others didn't. Obviously having already seen something working in every detail in our mind is a lot easier to build than just guessing.

Regards
AC

Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: nix85 on September 22, 2021, 12:58:35 AM
nix85
My bad, I was rushing through the current posts and missed your correction.

I have found using analogies and visualizations can give us better insight.

No problem and sure.

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For example we could imagine the charge density along the length of a tesla coil like a spring. The high potential at the top makes each turn of the spring repel the next turn more giving less turns per inch. Like wise near the bottom of the tesla coil the spring has less potential, less repulsion thus more turns per inch. So we can visualize how charge density in the tesla coil relates to the density of the turns on our spring.

We can also visualize the electrical pressure/flow of the system and understand that the point of highest potential is the point where the charges have nowhere to go. If the charges could move the potential would be lower but they cannot which is the reason why the highest potential/charge density equates to the lowest current flow. Likewise near the bottom of a grounded tesla coil or one attached to a large conducting object the charges do have a freedom of movement. So it seems reasonable that if the charges could move they would show us the region of the greatest current.

Your spring analogy is ok but capacitor analogy is more suited here since open ended wire literally is a capacitor parasitically coupled to ground. As charge accumulates toward the top of the coil current proportionally decreases.

"the reason it takes higher voltage to pack more electrons on the plate of a capacitor, obviously, higher the electron density higher the repulsion to further electron inflow to the plate."

We can make these analogies and they are not mere comparisons, they are literal analogies, what is a spring or a swing but an LC tank, they are one and the same, just different forms of potential and kinetic energy. Same formula applies for Q-factor, for standing wave ratio etc.

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This is why I prefer visualizations over equations or math which seldom show us anything new. For example, if our charge density/spring was elastic we can imagine oscillations within oscillations. We could see longitudinal compression along the spring length, vertical deformation like a sine wave or a singular impulse like a soliton wave. The next step would be to imagine ways and means of making what we visualized a reality. This may be why some say "a picture is worth a thousand words"... or equations.

Visualizations are important, most of us are visual learners. Actual dynamics of what is happening are infinitely complex, we might also bring in the proximity effects, displacement current and whatnot, subtle interactions and interferences are beyond computation.

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In fact Nikola Tesla claimed he visualized and perfected every concept/invention in his mind first. I believe this is why he made so many new discoveries while many others didn't. Obviously having already seen something working in every detail in our mind is a lot easier to build than just guessing.

Regards
AC

I prefer this approach too, 95% visualization, mind simulation, 5% materialization. But what has Tesla coil have to do with Tesla? He only patented it, he did not invent it.

In fact, he did not invent the the rotating magnetic field nor the induction motor he is most known for. Rotating magnetic field and crude motor based on it was invented by Walter Bailey (UK) in 1879 and more advanced one by Galileo Ferraris (IT) in 1885.

As for Tesla Coil

"Tesla was not the first to invent this circuit.[21][15] Henry Rowland built a spark-excited resonant transformer circuit (above) in 1889[2] and Elihu Thomson had experimented with similar circuits in 1890, including one which could produce 64 inch (1.6 m) sparks,[9][22][23] [1] and other sources confirm Tesla was not the first.[14][24][15] However he was the first to see practical applications for it and patent it."

https://handwiki.org/wiki/Engineering:History_of_the_Tesla_coil

Above is not mentioned Jacques-Arsène d'Arsonval, possibly the first inventor of 'Tesla Coil', photo below.

Don't get me wrong, Tesla did some incredible work, especially in the area he is least known for covered in Gerry Vassilatos books and elsewhere.

It would be more correct to ask what has the resonant transformer popularly known as Tesla coil have to do with REAL Tesla coil which is a higher dimensional resonator and takes into account more than just LC resonance.

Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: onepower on September 22, 2021, 08:00:56 AM
Nix85
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Your spring analogy is ok but capacitor analogy is more suited here since open ended wire literally is a capacitor parasitically coupled to ground. As charge accumulates toward the top of the coil current proportionally decreases.

I believe the capacitor parasitically coupled to ground theory was disproven which my experiments also agreed with. It was found that in reality the majority of charge doesn't couple to ground but water vapor in the air. It was also found that the majority of charge is not stored on the material surface but water vapor absorbed by said surface. The phenomena was first thought to be a "charge matrix" structure but later was proven to act similar to double layer capacitance. Which also relates to why some FE devices and many of my own worked one day and not the next, it was relative humidity. This is where conventional theory tends to break down because they purposely exclude most external variables and pretend things operate in a closed system. 

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"the reason it takes higher voltage to pack more electrons on the plate of a capacitor, obviously, higher the electron density higher the repulsion to further electron inflow to the plate."

I agree which is why I like my spring analogy because we would see the spring turn spacing changing exponentially from top to bottom and not in a linear fashion. Which begs the question what we would see using a capacitor analogy when the field force remains invisible. On a similar note, did you know the lines of force concept is invalid?. It's actually similar to my spring analogy and the lines are produced by magnetic and electric field induction. Not EM induction but either magnetic induction or electric induction. The actual effect is due to the fact parallel particle/objects having like polarities repel and series particle/objects having unlike polarities attract naturally forming lines, lol. Can you see how one simple flaw in our perception can lead to a whole field of science based on a fallacy?.

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We can make these analogies and they are not mere comparisons, they are literal analogies, what is a spring or a swing but an LC tank, they are one and the same, just different forms of potential and kinetic energy. Same formula applies for Q-factor, for standing wave ratio etc.

To my knowledge all of the greatest minds in FE believed in mechanical analogies because they followed the Aether/dark matter-energy theories. In fact I know of no credible FE inventor who demonstrated a working FE device who actually believed in General Relativity and this warping space-time nonsense. They all believed space including the space matter occupies is full of smaller particles and energy. Thus all forces and the translation of force relate to the motion of something and we can use mechanical analogies.

I mean this nonsensical spooky action at a distance thing is getting old isn't it?. It reminds me of a cat chasing it's tail giving the appearance of progress but never getting anywhere, lol. Think about that, decades have past and nobody is any closer to understanding what the Primary Fields (Electric, Magnetic, Gravic) are in reality. Not only does nobody have a clue what the Primary Fields are but they have literally no place to start. Why do you suppose that is?, thus the only conclusion I can come to is the same as Einstein... GR is a pipe dream.

Regards
AC

Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: nix85 on September 22, 2021, 02:19:26 PM
Nix85
I believe the capacitor parasitically coupled to ground theory was disproven which my experiments also agreed with. It was found that in reality the majority of charge doesn't couple to ground but water vapor in the air. It was also found that the majority of charge is not stored on the material surface but water vapor absorbed by said surface. The phenomena was first thought to be a "charge matrix" structure but later was proven to act similar to double layer capacitance. Which also relates to why some FE devices and many of my own worked one day and not the next, it was relative humidity. This is where conventional theory tends to break down because they purposely exclude most external variables and pretend things operate in a closed system.

Ground is a relative term, as Don Smith said, it can mean earth ground or air ground. When we talk FE and ether, we are not talking electrons but smaller particles which can become electrons when joined.

More here http://www.villesresearch.com/ether.html#Vitality%20globules

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I agree which is why I like my spring analogy because we would see the spring turn spacing changing exponentially from top to bottom and not in a linear fashion. Which begs the question what we would see using a capacitor analogy when the field force remains invisible. On a similar note, did you know the lines of force concept is invalid?. It's actually similar to my spring analogy and the lines are produced by magnetic and electric field induction. Not EM induction but either magnetic induction or electric induction. The actual effect is due to the fact parallel particle/objects having like polarities repel and series particle/objects having unlike polarities attract naturally forming lines, lol. Can you see how one simple flaw in our perception can lead to a whole field of science based on a fallacy?

Lines of force concept is invalid? I will have to absolutely disagree. You took a wrong path my friend, you have put the particle before the field.

The very essence of time-space IS matrix of electric (male) and magnetic (female) lines of force crossing at 90°, spiraling around each other. Here is some info from George Van Tassel.

The G line of TIME or Poynting Vector separating the A (electric) and B (magnetic) lines of Primary Light is an insulator between the two which spiral around it and continue their eternal dance by partial induction, male being what is known as speed of light and female 16,000 miles/s faster and proportionally less dense.. to understand these mechanics read the Council of 7 lights by Tassel. There you will learn that what we feel as gravity are magnetic (negative) lines of Primary Light streaming into the Earth attracted by the Earth's electric (positive) core. You will also learn how crossing of A and B lines of same frequency produces nodes where their substances meet (mating!) generates so called particles and much more.

Lines of force are the essence of creation of time-space. In contactee case from planet Iarga we find that 'space' is an illusion created by 6 AXIS OF TIME (which oscillates but does not move). Each matter antimatter universe like a diode or sprocket wheel picks oscillations in one direction only, their timelines diverging. Relativity of speed of time between nearby time axis produces the angle of 60°, a harmonic ratio 1:2.

This is the key of it all, the essence of relativity, creation of time-space from nothing. More here https://galactic.no/rune/iarapdx1.html

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To my knowledge all of the greatest minds in FE believed in mechanical analogies because they followed the Aether/dark matter-energy theories. In fact I know of no credible FE inventor who demonstrated a working FE device who actually believed in General Relativity and this warping space-time nonsense. They all believed space including the space matter occupies is full of smaller particles and energy. Thus all forces and the translation of force relate to the motion of something and we can use mechanical analogies.

I mean this nonsensical spooky action at a distance thing is getting old isn't it?. It reminds me of a cat chasing it's tail giving the appearance of progress but never getting anywhere, lol. Think about that, decades have past and nobody is any closer to understanding what the Primary Fields (Electric, Magnetic, Gravic) are in reality. Not only does nobody have a clue what the Primary Fields are but they have literally no place to start. Why do you suppose that is?, thus the only conclusion I can come to is the same as Einstein... GR is a pipe dream.

Regards
AC

Space is filled with ether indeed, somewhat less densely than around the planets, but ether does not dismiss the bending of time-space and relativity of time. Relativity IS correct. It is just his dismissal of ether in a sense of actual substance filling all space that is indeed incorrect.

"Spooky action at a distance", teleportation, instant communication over lightyears of distance is easily explained by higher planes of existence, two point may seem wide apart on our level but on higher plane they are right next to each other, speed of light, density of matter and rate of time flow all increasing by x49 on each plane above. We also know time actually stops on some astral levels so there are bands, but general rule is everything getting faster and denser x49 on each plane above. Ironically, denser means feeling less dense, higher energy level.

Again, relativity is not a pipe dream, time dilation is correct, warping of time-space is correct, speed of light for herzian waves is somewhat off but almost correct, cosmological constant is correct..much from Einstain is correct except for dismissal of actual subtle matter filling all space.

Here i will quote a whole chapter from the book Solar System by Arthur Powell, a theosophist. It describes a creation of our solar system, not only on this plane but on 7 planes of the lowest cosmic plane.

If you don't wanna read it all, here it is in short..

All levels are made of same most subtle "matter" (neutral units of consciousness) condensed into ever larger basic structures on each of 7 great planes and inumerable subplanes always following the ratio of 49 (encoded all over Bible), that is, 49 neutral bubbles of the highest of all planes condense into smallest particle of the next lower plane and so on. This is the reason density of matter, speed of light and rate of time flow all increase by x49 as we go toward higher planes. These neutral bubbles of consciousness have no apparent vibration nor inner content, they are but voids in the Ether (Koilon in Greek - hollow). Only in cruder forms these bubbles create particles, 'atoms' which have polarity, male projecting particles from higher plane into the lower and female returning them back completing the circle, their spin is opposite. It is interesting to note, as revealed in Spiritist literature, these most subtle bubbles on each plane are eternal, planets and suns form and dissolve back into this materia prima only to be reused eternally.

CHAPTER VI
THE BUILDING OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM

HAVING now studied, in broad outline, the general plan of the,
”field” of evolution in our solar system, it will be useful to go
over the ground again, filling in certain further details, and
considering also the way in which the system is originally
constructed out of primordial matter.

This time we shall commence with the large unit - the system
as a whole - and steadily work our way down to the smaller units
- the globes.

Before our solar system came into existence there existed
the ultimate root-matter, the substance out of which will be
fashioned every type of matter of which we have any knowledge.
This root-matter is what scientists call the ether of space, and
what has been described in Occult Chemistry under the name of
koilon (Greek Koilos, hollow).

This must not, of course, be confused with the etheric
matter which composes the finer part of our physical world.
To every physical sense, the space occupied by koilon
appears empty: yet in reality this ether is far denser than
anything of which we can conceive. Professor Osborne Reynolds,
the originator of the celebrated theory, which agrees with occult
investigation, defines its density as being 10,000 times greater
than that of water, and its mean pressure as 750,000 tons to the
square inch.

This substance is perceptible only to highly developed
clairvoyant power. We must assume a time - though we have no
direct knowledge on the point - when this substance filled all
space. We must also suppose that some great Being - almost
infinitely higher than the Logos of a solar system - changed this
condition of rest by pouring out His spirit or force into a
certain section of this matter, a section the size of a whole
universe.

The effect of the introduction of this force is as that of
the blowing of a mighty breath, forming within the ether, or
koilon, an incalculable number of tiny spherical bubbles. These
bubbles in koilon are the ultimate atoms out of which everything
that we call matter is manufactured.

They are the atomic matter of the lowest cosmic plane. Out
of them the Logos of our solar system will presently form the
seven planes of our system, those seven planes, taken together,
forming the lowest cosmic plane.

It is probable that the force by which the bubbles were
originally formed is what H. P. Blavatsky called fohat, which she
spoke of as ”digging holes in space,” thus reminding one of the
recent dictum of a French scientist that ”there is no matter;
there are nothing but holes in the æther.”

The bubbles are not like a soap-bubble, which is a film of
water with an outer and an inner surface, enclosing air within
it. They are like bubbles in sodawater, which have only one
surface, where the air meets the water.

As has just been said, to the highest sight available the
bubbles appear to be perfectly empty, so that it is not known

whether any motion is going on inside them or not. Neither is it
known whether they are rotating on their axes or not.
They seem to have no proper motion of their own, but they
can be moved as a whole from without, singly or en masse, by an
exertion of the will. No two bubbles ever under any circumstances
touch each other.

When the Solar Logos - the great Being of Whom our solar
system is some representation, corresponding possibly to an
incarnation, in the case of a human being - chose to manifest
Himself, when He came forth out of eternity into time, and wished
to form this system, He found ready to His hand this material,
this infinite mass of tiny bubbles.
He commenced by defining an area, the limit of His field of
activity, the limit, perhaps, of His own aura, a vast sphere,
whose circumference is far larger than the orbit of the outermost
of His future planets.

Stupendous as this area would be, the distance between solar
systems is yet out of all proportion greater than the systems
themselves. Nevertheless, it is probable that the Logoi of the
systems are actually in touch with one another, on the higher
planes.

Within the limit of the sphere thus marked out He sets up a
motion which sweeps together all the bubbles into a vast central
mass, thus condensing or compressing the bubble-matter, which was
originally scattered throughout the whole of the prodigious
space, into a smaller region.

At a certain stage in that condensation, or compression - a
stage when the radius of His globe still extended far beyond the
orbit of the outermost planet of the system, as it exists to-day
- He sets up within it a whirling motion, accompanied by intense
electrical action, thus making a colossal vortex in many dimensions,
the material of the nebula that is to be.

The compression of the whirling mass is continued through
what to us would be untold ages: in fact, the vortex made by the
Logos in the first place is still in action. In the course of
that process of compression, He, acting through His Third Aspect,
sends out seven impulses or ”breaths.”

The first impulse sets up all through the sphere a vast
number of tiny vortices, each of which draws into itself 49
bubbles, and arranges them in a certain shape. These little
groupings of bubbles, so formed, are the atoms of the second
plane or world - the anupâdaka or monadic plane.
The whole of the bubbles are not used in this way, but
sufficient are left, in the disassociated state, to act as atoms
of the first or âdi world.

In due time there comes a second impulse, which seizes upon
nearly all the 49-bubble atoms - leaving sufficient to provide
atoms for the anupâdaka world draws them back into itself,
disintegrates them into their component bubbles, and then,
throwing them out again, sets up among them vortices, each of
which holds within itself 49² or 2,401 bubbles. These are the
atoms of the third world, the plane of âtmâ.
Again after a time comes a third impulse, which in the same
way seizes upon nearly all the 2,401-bubble atoms - again leaving
sufficient to form the atoms of the âtmic world - draws them back
into itself, disintegrates them, and throws them out once more as
the atoms of the fourth world, that of buddhi, each atom now
containing 49³ or 117,649 bubbles.

The process is repeated until the sixth impulse has built
the atoms of the seventh or lowest world , the physical plane,
its atoms containing 49ˇ6, or approximately 14,000 million of the
original bubbles. These atoms are not, of course, the atoms of
which chemists speak, but the ultimate atoms out of which all the
chemical atoms are made.

The numbers of bubbles contained in the atoms of our seven
planes are given in the following table:
Plane ³
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Âdî . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1
Anupâdaka . . . . . . . . 49
Âtmâ . . . . . . . . . . . . 401
Buddhi . . . . . . . . . . . 117,649
Manas (mental) . . . . . 5,764,800
Kâma (astal) . . . . . . . 282,475,249
Sthûla (physical) . . . . 13,841,287,201

—————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————
It seems probable that electrons are astral atoms: for it is
stated by scientists that a chemical atom of hydrogen contains
from 700 to 1,000 electrons, and a chemical atom of hydrogen
contains the equivalent of 882 astral atoms. This may be a
coincidence, but that seems unlikely. Scientists thus appear to
be disintegrating physical matter and discovering astral matter,
though they will naturally think of astral matter as being a
further subdivision of physical matter.

Bishop Leadbeater, from whose writings the above is quoted,
does not know whether such disintegrated physical atoms re-form
themselves, but when, by an effort of will, the physical atom is
broken up into astral or mental atoms, it requires a continuation
of the effort to hold the atoms temporarily in those different
forms, and when the will-force is withdrawn the physical atom
reappears.

This, however, seems to apply only to the breaking up of the
ultimate physical atoms: when chemical atoms are broken into
ultimate atoms, they remain in that condition, and do not return
to their original state.

It should be noted that, although the atoms of any one
plane, the physical for example, are not made direct from the
atoms of the plane immediately above - the astral - yet, unless
the bubbles had had the experience of passing through all the
planes above, physical atoms could not be made of them.
The Hindu method of describing the process is as follows:
Each plane has what is called a, ”tanmâtra” (literally, a measure
of ”that”), and a, ”tattva” (literally, ”thatness” or ”inherent
quality”). The tanmâtra is the modification in the consciousness
of the Logos: the tattva is the effect produced in matter by that
modification. We may compare the tanmâtras with the waves of an
incoming tide, which run up on a sandy shore, retire, and are
followed by other waves, which run up a little further. The
tattvas we may compare with the little ridges made on the sand by
the incoming waves, at the furthest line that they reach.
The idea is symbolised in Diagram XI.

Every atom thus has its ”Thatness,” the word ,”That” being a
reverent expression for the Divine Being. The measure of the
vibration of the atom, imposed upon it by the Will of the Logos,
is the Tanmâtra, the ”measure of That”; this is the axes of the
atom, the angular divergence of which, within the fixed limits of
vibration, determines its surface form.
Thus the consciousness of the Logos is within each atom,
expressed within certain limitations, which we sometimes call
”planes.”

The process of the creation of matter in successive stages
has often been described as the in-breathing and the outbreathing
of the Deity.

The existence of matter depends absolutely upon the
continuance of an idea in the mind of the Logos. If He chose to
withdraw His force, for example, from the physical plane - to
cease thinking it - every physical atom would instantly
disintegrate, and the whole physical plane would disappear in an
instant, like the light of a candle when it is blown out.
The ultimate physical atom has three movements of its own:
(1) rotation on its own axis; (2) motion in a circular orbit; (3)
a pulsation like a heart, a constant expansion and contraction.
These three movements are always going on, and are unaffected by
any force from outside. A force from outside - a ray of light,
for example - will set the atom as a whole moving violently up
and down, the amplitude of this movement being proportional to
the intensity of the light, and the wave-length resulting from
the movement of a number of atoms being determined by the colour
of the light.

Besides the force of the Logos, which holds the atom
together in its form, one of His forces is playing through it at
a number of different levels. There are seven orders of this
force, one of which comes into operation during each round,
working through what are called the spirillæ in the atom. For a
description of these spirillæ, as well as other details of the
structure of the atom, the students is referred to Occult
Chemistry (1919 edition, pp. 21-23, and Appendix, ii-vi.) .
In interstellar space - between solar systems - the atoms
are in the condition known as ”free,” lying far apart, and
equidistant, this seeming to be their normal condition when
undisturbed.

In the space between planets, however, they are never found
free: even if they are not grouped in forms they are subject to a
great deal of disturbance from cometic and meteoric matter, and
also to considerable compression from what we describe as the
attraction of the Sun.

From the above considerations, we perceive how it is that a
man in, for example, his causal body, could move freely in the
neighbourhood of a planet, where the atomic mental matter is in
the compressed condition, but would not be able to move or
function in far-away space, where the atoms remain free and
uncompressed.

To continue with our description of the building of the
solar system, we have now arrived at the stage where the vast
whirling sphere contains within itself seven types of atomic
matter, all one essentially, because all are built out of the
same kind of bubbles, but differing in their degree of density.
All these types are freely intermingled, so that specimens of
each type would be found in a small portion of the sphere taken
at random in any part of it, with, however, a general tendency of
the heavier atoms to gravitate more and more towards the centre.
The Logos next sends out, still from His Third Aspect, a
seventh impulse which, instead of drawing the physical atoms back
into Himself and dissociating them into the original bubbles,
draws them together into certain aggregations, thus making a
number of different kinds of what may be called proto-elements;
these again are joined together into the various forms which are
known to science as chemical elements.

The making of these extends over a long period of ages, and
they are made in a certain definite order, by the interaction of
several forces, as is correctly indicated in Sir William Crookes'
paper on The Genesis of the Elements.

The process of their making is even now not concluded:
uranium is the latest and heaviest element, so far as we know,
but others still more complicated may perhaps be produced in the
future.

As the ages roll on, condensation increases, and presently
the stage of a vast glowing nebula, usually of incandescent
hydrogen, is reached. Various other systems in our universe are,
of course, now passing through this stage, as may be seen by
means of any large telescope.
In our own case, as the mass cooled, still rapidly rotating,
it contracted and flattened until eventually it became rather a
huge revolving disc than a sphere. Presently fissures appeared in
this disc, and it broke into rings, presenting somewhat the
appearance of the planet Saturn and its surroundings, though on a
far larger scale.

As the time drew near when the planets would be required for
the purposes of evolution, the Logos set up at a chosen point in
the thickness of each ring a subsidiary vortex, into which a
great deal of the matter of the ring was gradually collected.
The collisions of the gathered fragments caused a revival of
the heat, the matter being reduced to a gaseous condition,
forming a glowing ball which, as it cooled once more, gradually
condensed into a physical planet fit to be the theatre of life
such as ours. Thus were all the planets of our system formed.
In this particular part of our system, however, the physical
planet which was formed was, not the Earth, but the Moon. For a
reference to Diagram V will show that the first physical planet
appears in the third chain, and that planet, in our Scheme of
Evolution, was the Moon.

When the active life of the Moon, in the third chain, was
over, a new vortex was set up, not far away from the Moon, and
the rest of the matter of the ring was gradually gathered into
it. The resultant collisions once more produced a ball of glowing
gas, which enfolded the body of the Moon, and very soon reduced
it to a similar condition.

As this combined mass gradually cooled, condensation took
place round the two vortices, but by far the greater portion of
the matter was attracted to the new vortex, which became the
Earth, leaving the Moon a much smaller body than it had been, and
altogether denuded of air and water.

The Moon was still, from the intense heat, in a plastic
condition, like hot mud, and the Earth in its earlier stages was
subject to the most tremendous volcanic convulsions. In the
course of these, enormous masses of rock, often many miles in
diameter, were thrown up into space, to vast distances in all
directions.

The majority fell back on the Earth, but some of them struck
the Moon while still in its plastic condition, and produced upon
it many of those huge depressions, which we now call lunar
craters. Some, but not many, of the lunar craters are, however,
really volcanic craters.

The Moon is at present like a vast cinder, hard but porous,
of a consistency not unlike that of pumice-stone, though harder.
Scarcely any physical action of any sort is now taking place upon
its surface. It is probably slowly disintegrating, and it seems
that in the course of our seventh round it will break up
altogether, and its matter will be used (with, presumably, some
of that of the Earth) to build a new world, which will be the
only physical globe of the fifth chain of our Scheme of Evolution
(vide Diagram V). To that new globe whatever remains of the Earth
will act as a satellite, just as the Moon now Serves the Earth.
In Theosophical literature, the Moon has often been
described as the eighth sphere, because it is not one of the

seven planets of our chain upon which evolution is taking place.
It is therefore a ”dead end,” a place where only refuse gathers.
It is a kind of dust-heap to the system, a kind of astral
cesspool, into which are thrown decaying fragments of various
sorts, such as the lost personality which has torn itself away
from the ego (vide The Causal Body, p. 183).

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Now that we touched on higher planes it is important to note what is the actual scale of creation. All ancient sources as well as most occult newer ones agree on 7 great cosmic planes. Many misinterpret this to be 7 physical planes like this. In actually, the complexity is incomparably greater than that. Relevation for this comes from Bentov, a Hebrew mystic who was privy to be shown actually all the levels up to Godhead/Self.

You can see the scale in this presentation From Atom To Cosmos. It is HIGHLY advisable to watch if fully and carefully, of course, only if you intuitively recognize it's immense value. His model of the universe begins at 1:09:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uUY0dPE-is

In short, here is the actual scale.

Our universe which is an egg of light + 48 other similar eggs placed on a great spiral of 7 levels makes one 'cell'.

15 of such 'cells' create one double tetrahedron structure, 1 cell on the bottom, then 3, then 7 in the middle, then 3 again and 1 on the top.

Great number of of such tetrahedrons make up one yet larger 'cell' 60 levels deep and these tetrahedrons slowly evolve out of the parent cell to one day create a new great cell of their own. And incalculable number of these larger cells make up the first COSMIC PLANE.

Scale continues in similar manner for the remaining 6 COSMIC PLANES which he did not describe. Ultimate level is the void, transcending time-space, merging with the Absolute Self, the only true reality.

https://www.google.com/search?q=fibonacci+spiral+galaxy
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: onepower on September 22, 2021, 08:01:12 PM
nix85
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Space is filled with ether indeed, somewhat less densely than around the planets, but ether does not dismiss the bending of time-space and relativity of time. Relativity IS correct. It is just his dismissal of ether in a sense of actual substance filling all space that is indeed incorrect.

To my knowledge space-time and relative time theories came about because of far off planets and inaccurate clocks. That is a planet very far away could cease to exist by the time it's light reached us letting us know it exists. It's basic astrophysics but then many had to drag in metaphysics because it seemed spooky. Next they had a problem with clocks changing time but instead of understanding that the material properties of the clock changed they created a nonsensical theory that time itself had changed, lol. I mean if your wristwatch was off would you think time miraculously changed?, it's absurd.

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"Spooky action at a distance", teleportation, instant communication over lightyears of distance is easily explained by higher planes of existence, two point may seem wide apart on our level but on higher plane they are right next to each other, speed of light, density of matter and rate of time flow all increasing by x49 on each plane above. We also know time actually stops on some astral levels so there are bands, but general rule is everything getting faster and denser x49 on each plane above. Ironically, denser means feeling less dense, higher energy level.

Most of these phenomena can be explained by basic Aether theory. We know that disturbances travel faster the more dense the medium carrying said disturbance. Just as an electron can travel faster in a conductor than an airplane can travel through air. The smaller the scale and the more dense the medium the faster a disturbance can travel through said medium. We also need to understand psychology and critical thinking to understand why so many come to the wrong conclusions. Let's be honest, many have created an imaginary world because they fear death. Creation, relative time, multiple dimensions and spooky phenomena all add to the illusion that we are immortal and more than we are. However if we take an objective third person perspective it becomes quite obvious were all a little crazy and misguided.

Think about that, imagine your another person looking down on yourself and objectively analyzing everything you do and think. It's not pretty, and most people find it a little disturbing so they try not to think about it. That's the thing isn't it?, were seldom if ever the person we think we are and most of what many believe isn't a reflection of reality. As they say in psychology, the only people who are truly crazy are the ones who think there not. In fact it was proven that the psychotic and insane have no mechanism for self-reflection or empathy.

In the big picture all the greatest minds in Free Energy rejected society and there false beliefs. They looked to nature because nature has no self-interest or beliefs and it is what it is. Nature is the ultimate reflection of reality not people and the crazy stuff they believe and do ...

As well all the greatest minds in free energy claimed the process was so simple even a child could understand it. Think about that, the theory wasn't complex, it did not require more and more complexity or imaginary beliefs but less. It's no wonder everyone fails at free energy because they seem to be moving in the opposite direction, lol.


Regards
AC
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: nix85 on September 22, 2021, 10:53:00 PM
nix85
To my knowledge space-time and relative time theories came about because of far off planets and inaccurate clocks. That is a planet very far away could cease to exist by the time it's light reached us letting us know it exists. It's basic astrophysics but then many had to drag in metaphysics because it seemed spooky. Next they had a problem with clocks changing time but instead of understanding that the material properties of the clock changed they created a nonsensical theory that time itself had changed, lol. I mean if your wristwatch was off would you think time miraculously changed?, it's absurd.

If time dilation was as not taken into account when triangulating your position your GPS would be off by kilometers or more.

If that is not enough for you, take into account what spacepeople say, this is a real contactee case from UK that happened in 1978.

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Frances asked: "Where is your planet?" and he replied:

"Further away than you have ever dreamed of'.

To the question, "How far away is it?" he answered:

"Several thousand light years".

Then Frances asked how long they had been travelling, and got the surprising
answer:

"For two of your years".


And yet in those 2 years 3000 years have passed on Earth!

http://galactic.no/rune/spesBoker/the_janos_people.pdf

So yea, relativity is real.

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Most of these phenomena can be explained by basic Aether theory. We know that disturbances travel faster the more dense the medium carrying said disturbance. Just as an electron can travel faster in a conductor than an airplane can travel through air. The smaller the scale and the more dense the medium the faster a disturbance can travel through said medium. We also need to understand psychology and critical thinking to understand why so many come to the wrong conclusions. Let's be honest, many have created an imaginary world because they fear death. Creation, relative time, multiple dimensions and spooky phenomena all add to the illusion that we are immortal and more than we are. However if we take an objective third person perspective it becomes quite obvious were all a little crazy and misguided.

You are oversimplifying and skewing the Ether theory. Also, relative time is a fact as are multiple dimensions, no phenomena is really spooky if understood, and we are essentially immortal. Mind changes and all time-space is function of the Mind, but soul is not bound by Mind and soul is who we are, always free.

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Think about that, imagine your another person looking down on yourself and objectively analyzing everything you do and think. It's not pretty, and most people find it a little disturbing so they try not to think about it. That's the thing isn't it?, were seldom if ever the person we think we are and most of what many believe isn't a reflection of reality. As they say in psychology, the only people who are truly crazy are the ones who think there not. In fact it was proven that the psychotic and insane have no mechanism for self-reflection or empathy.

In the big picture all the greatest minds in Free Energy rejected society and there false beliefs. They looked to nature because nature has no self-interest or beliefs and it is what it is. Nature is the ultimate reflection of reality not people and the crazy stuff they believe and do ...

As well all the greatest minds in free energy claimed the process was so simple even a child could understand it. Think about that, the theory wasn't complex, it did not require more and more complexity or imaginary beliefs but less. It's no wonder everyone fails at free energy because they seem to be moving in the opposite direction, lol.


Regards
AC

You are now going into psychology with strange premise dismissing higher planes, relativity etc. Why. Do you realize you are limiting yourself to a narrow scope of what you perceive as reality.

Free energy indeed is simple, to put most simply build up the reactive power and harvest it lenzlessly (may those with eyes to see see).. but this does not exclude the higher dimensions and other 'exotic' phenomena.

I am not talking about belief, higher planes are real and somewhat provable. Rest assured military black projects already operate at least 3-4 levels up!! I'll give you an example, when you are just waking up but still in-between the states, you fully see this reality but you still see that which is usually above your visual range. In that state you can see the astral phenomena, beings etc, This is NOT vision or imagination, this is wider scope of reality, just a notch wider on an immense scale, the adepts are trained to attain this state by will, they operate on multiple planes, yet most people are not awake in the astral and if they become (all do) they forget it, some do have lucid "dreams", i had a number of them and let me tell you astral is MORE real than this in each and every sense you can think of. May i repeat this that i mean it literally so, MORE REAL than this in EVERY sense. If you don't believe it you will know when you 'die' or when you wake up in so called dream.

So yes following nature is the way to go, but follow it properly not in a limiting/skewing way.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: onepower on September 23, 2021, 09:29:20 PM
nix85
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If time dilation was as not taken into account when triangulating your position your GPS would be off by kilometers or more.

I think your confusing the issue and the phenomena.

I am not claiming the measurement of time does not change, I am claiming the material properties of the clock changed and not time itself. Your confusing the issue and I can easily make the quartz crystal in a clock vibrate faster or slower. Which begs the question, did time actually change or did the properties of the clock?. This is where Einstein and others seemed to be making various mistakes in there reasoning.

Occam's razor, the theory which makes the least assumptions is generally the right one. Your mistake is making wild assumptions that time itself has changed universally rather than simply the properties of your measuring device. Universal time as we know it must be a constant just like any other standard of measurement. Are you going to start saying an inch is really an inch and a half?, lol.

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If that is not enough for you, take into account what spacepeople say, this is a real contactee case from UK that happened in 1978.
Frances asked: "Where is your planet?" and he replied:
"Further away than you have ever dreamed of'.
To the question, "How far away is it?" he answered:
"Several thousand light years".
Then Frances asked how long they had been travelling, and got the surprising
answer:
"For two of your years".
And yet in those 2 years 3000 years have passed on Earth!

Supposing the story has any credibility the answer is not that difficult. You have 1)confused time with the material properties of something used to measure time. 2)confused velocity versus time.

In fact, a light year refers to the distance travelled at the speed of light (299 792 458 m/s) in one year. Thus if the person making the claim was travelling faster than the speed of light they could make the trip in two years. However you made the false assumption that universal time had changed rather than a craft travelling faster than the speed of light. So no 3000 years did not pass on Earth only two just as the person claimed.

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You are oversimplifying and skewing the Ether theory. Also, relative time is a fact as are multiple dimensions, no phenomena is really spooky if understood, and we are essentially immortal. Mind changes and all time-space is function of the Mind, but soul is not bound by Mind and soul is who we are, always free.

Quote: "we are essentially immortal",  all I can say is wow. So you think your like a god then?. I can't touch that, lol.

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I am not talking about belief, higher planes are real and somewhat provable

The only higher plane I have seen is called a jet and "somewhat provable" is like being half pregnant.

Here is a strange thought...
I have often wondered what an advanced race of beings could be thinking, what do they think about?. It sure as hell isn't religion or politics, not food, drink or substance abuse because many don't seem to have private parts like us and seem pretty sensible. Which also rules out all the strange stuff so many other people seem preoccupied with. They also seem to avoid crowds and only travel alone or in small groups. So right out of the gate we can discard 80% of what most people believe and think is important. Which probably gives them a great deal of time to consider things which are really important based on the facts. That very well may be there secret, a lot of common sense and not being dependent on others or there beliefs. Where do I sign up?, lol.

Regards
AC





Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: nix85 on September 25, 2021, 02:49:52 AM
nix85
I think your confusing the issue and the phenomena.

I am not claiming the measurement of time does not change, I am claiming the material properties of the clock changed and not time itself. Your confusing the issue and I can easily make the quartz crystal in a clock vibrate faster or slower. Which begs the question, did time actually change or did the properties of the clock?. This is where Einstein and others seemed to be making various mistakes in there reasoning.

Occam's razor, the theory which makes the least assumptions is generally the right one. Your mistake is making wild assumptions that time itself has changed universally rather than simply the properties of your measuring device. Universal time as we know it must be a constant just like any other standard of measurement. Are you going to start saying an inch is really an inch and a half?, lol.

I am not confusing anything, you are. "material properties of the clock changed" is not a scientific theory. It is a child-like explanation to support your false idea that time flow is same for everyone. It is not. In fact, as i said before, not only is time dilation correct, time speeds up on every plane above x49 as well as density of matter and speed of light by same amount.

But you don't believe in higher planes. This is like watching one program on a TV and since you don't know how to use the remote you conclude the one program/frequency you see is the only one there is, how foolish! Every night you tune to higher frequencies, every night your astral body floats above your physical shell.

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Supposing the story has any credibility the answer is not that difficult. You have 1)confused time with the material properties of something used to measure time. 2)confused velocity versus time.

In fact, a light year refers to the distance travelled at the speed of light (299 792 458 m/s) in one year. Thus if the person making the claim was travelling faster than the speed of light they could make the trip in two years. However you made the false assumption that universal time had changed rather than a craft travelling faster than the speed of light. So no 3000 years did not pass on Earth only two just as the person claimed.

I have not confused anything, what you write is sheer confusion.

In the book it is clearly stated that while for them on board 2 years of earth time passed, on earth thousands of years passed. Time dilation is real.

Universal time is perfect now. Time is relative on all levels. Time is AC and it oscillates in definite bands, matter of each plane capturing the time oscillations of certain frequency and only in one direction, matter and antimatter times diverging.

All this is explained in detail here https://galactic.no/rune/iarapdx1.html You might as well study it.

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Quote: "we are essentially immortal",  all I can say is wow. So you think your like a god then?. I can't touch that, lol.

The only higher plane I have seen is called a jet and "somewhat provable" is like being half pregnant.

Here is a strange thought...
I have often wondered what an advanced race of beings could be thinking, what do they think about?. It sure as hell isn't religion or politics, not food, drink or substance abuse because many don't seem to have private parts like us and seem pretty sensible. Which also rules out all the strange stuff so many other people seem preoccupied with. They also seem to avoid crowds and only travel alone or in small groups. So right out of the gate we can discard 80% of what most people believe and think is important. Which probably gives them a great deal of time to consider things which are really important based on the facts. That very well may be there secret, a lot of common sense and not being dependent on others or there beliefs. Where do I sign up?, lol.

Regards
AC

You will know when you 'die'.

For those interested in life after life
http://www.luminist.org/archives/Farnese%20-%20A%20Wanderer.pdf
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: onepower on September 25, 2021, 05:53:37 PM
nix85
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All this is explained in detail here https://galactic.no/rune/iarapdx1.html You might as well study it.

Well this explains a great deal, you don't honestly believe this nonsense do you?.

Fair enough I suppose, you go on believing your some kind of time travelling immortal god and I will go on believing I'm just an average engineer with a lot of unanswered questions about nature. I couldn't possibly compete with your fantasies...

Regards
AC



Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: Floor on September 25, 2021, 06:04:10 PM
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        quote from onepower
I am not claiming the measurement of time does not change, I am claiming the material properties of the clock changed and not time itself. Your confusing the issue and I can easily make the quartz crystal in a clock vibrate faster or slower. Which begs the question, did time actually change or did the properties of the clock?. This is where Einstein and others seemed to be making various mistakes in there reasoning.
         end of one power quote
... ... ... ... ...

I agree with nix85, in so far as that time is a relative phenomenon.

                                                                     TIME                                                                         

Time is marked or measured (and in some ways defined) by the consistency of  repetitions with which a force acts upon objects.

As examples consider.  The force of gravity pulling the sand grains in an hour glass through the orifice at it's middle, at a constant rate.  The force of gravity acting upon the mass and against the inertia of a pendulum, resulting in the regular periods of it's oscillations.  The similar forces causing the Earth's motions that result in the time of day, time of year, year and so on.  The regularity of the periods of certain electric, molecular or atomic oscillations in modern chronometers, which are the results of forces.
.....................................................................
A period of time is defined by a pattern. 
A pattern is defined by the repetition of some change.
This regularity of repetition is determined by comparison to a standard.
A standard is a record of and from the past,
The past is time, as defined in the aspects of before and after.

Patterns of time as intervals are typically defined by the repetition of:

1. Change as the displacement of a mass in relationship to two positions (a before and an after),
2. Change in the direction of the displacement of a mass in relationship to two positions (a before and an after).
3. Comparison of   either of   or   both of  the above changes to a standard.
.....................................................................
The repetition of those patterns is in general, caused by a relationship that exists between the magnitude of a MASS and the magnitude of the energy as FORCE that gives rise to a magnitude of DISPLACEMENT of that mass and by which a magnitude of TIME is defined.

The magnitude of that MASS may be defined by:
   1. the magnitude of the time of the displacement of that mass
   2. the magnitude of the energy as force
   3. the magnitude of the displacement of that mass.

The magnitude of that energy as FORCE may be defined by:
   1. the magnitude of the time of the displacement of that mass
   2. the magnitude of the mass
   3. the magnitude of the displacement of that mass.

The magnitude of the DISPLACEMENT of that mass may be defined by:
   1. the magnitude of the energy as force
   2. the magnitude of the mass
   3. the magnitude of the time of the displacement of that mass

The magnitude of the TIME period of the displacement of that mass maybe defined by:
   1. the magnitude of the energy as force
   2. the magnitude of the mass
   3. the magnitude of the displacement of that mass

Given that...

A human body in this world, on earth (and / or plane if you will allow), is
experiencing events. 

CHANGES which occur and which we call an event, normally, or from
our own PERSPECTIVE in shared relative time, occur at some given
and various rate or rates.
... ... ... ... ...
Likewise our own neurological processing / experiencing of that event, is at
some given rate within a shared relative time.
... ... ... ... ...
Perceiving of events through physical organs (as a neurological processing )
will be within a context of the time frame during which that perception occurs.
... ... ... ... ...

But who can explain why there is a before and an after ?
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: onepower on September 25, 2021, 06:50:51 PM
floor
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As examples consider.  The force of gravity pulling the sand grains in an hour glass through the orifice at it's middle, at a constant rate.  The force of gravity acting upon the mass and against the inertia of a pendulum, resulting in the regular periods of it's oscillations.  The similar forces causing the Earth's motions that result in the time of day, time of year, year and so on.  The regularity of the periods of certain electric, molecular or atomic oscillations in modern chronometers, which are the results of forces.

I would agree, however since all mass can be affected by changing forces so must the patterns of oscillation and apparent measurement of time.

It comes down to a single question...
Your clock just changed, do you believe time in the entire universe just changed or that your clock simply changed in some way?.

It's kind of neat that anyone could write any number of books, give countless lectures, post hundreds of times a day with pages of complex equations yet one simple question renders all this a mute point. Do you believe your clock changed in some way or time as we know it in the entire universe?.

Like any really good question nobody seems want to answer it, lol.

Regards
AC

Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: Floor on September 25, 2021, 07:00:24 PM

From the perspective of the clock, time changed in the rest of the universe.

From the perspective of the rest of the universe time changed in the clock.

  regards
       floor
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: Floor on September 25, 2021, 09:01:19 PM
@nix85

I read works by H.P. Blavatskiy,  C.W. Leadbeater, and Annie Besant when
I was in my late teenage years and early twenties. 

Some of which I keep to this day. Out of the many theosophisit's works,
Light on the path, as written down by Mabel Collins is the work I most
value and respect.

Be that as it may, I find in the lectures of J krishnamurti something truly transcendent
of the whole of theosophy.

 regards
     floor
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: nix85 on September 25, 2021, 09:36:18 PM
Eh the blindness. BTW this guy was an engineer and company director (not that his titles matter to me at all, they may to you), "nonsense" you say, eh.

Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXueHVKRCS8
Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt_P24Bi5D8

It's you're not your.

We are all traveling through time all the time and we are all immortal souls, a part of God. Not you apparently. You are frozen in time without a soul, interesting.

We all have lots of unanswered questions about nature but some of us see better and some are blindfolded.

What you call 'fantasies' are schoolbooks of tomorrow and they are not my 'fantasies', i only recognized the truth in them.

"Average engineer" is not a title to be proud of. Anyone with a half brain can become an "average engineer", don't ask fundamental questions, just be a good parrot.

And out of all the things in the conventional science that are flawed you picked one that is correct to deny. Funny.

You are not competing with my fantasies but your own blindness.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: onepower on September 26, 2021, 09:07:34 AM
Floor
Thanks for the input, I reread your last few posts and made quite a bit of progress tonight. Not that I agree with everything you said but sometimes a different explanation from a different perspective helps.

Regards
AC

Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: nix85 on September 26, 2021, 11:23:45 AM
@nix85

I read works by H.P. Blavatskiy,  C.W. Leadbeater, and Annie Besant when
I was in my late teenage years and early twenties. 

Some of which I keep to this day. Out of the many theosophisit's works,
Light on the path, as written down by Mabel Collins is the work I most
value and respect.

Be that as it may, I find in the lectures of J krishnamurti something truly transcendent
of the whole of theosophy.

 regards
     floor

That's good, those are valuable sources. I have books by all of the noted.

Yea Krishnamurti was the real deal. I prefer his lecture for the group of young people where they were indifferent, then when someone brought up 'Atman' he said like 'Who's that guy, where is he" and they started mumbling, and then he went like "See now that i touch your beliefs how you got jittery". I read he was picked by Babaji along with few other youths of his time to spread the word.

Beware that he later disowned Theosophy as a movement cause it got inflitrated.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: Floor on September 26, 2021, 04:23:11 PM
@onepower

The layout of time I gave, is a kind of physics explanation of time.
Time in a physics context, as I understand it.

The idea of subjective and objective or that the describing of anything
must be, from a point of view, is way older than modern scientific method.

Science has had to come to some kind of terms with this since its beginning.

A clock wise spinning motor shaft rotates clock wise only when viewed
from one end of the motor. It spins counter clock wise when viewed from the
other end. 

Imagine two men getting into a fist fight,   ;)  because each one knew with total certainty,
the direction of the spin of the motor they were installing. Clock wise, no it's counter
clockwise, no clock wise... .. .

If those two men were instead observing the rotation of our galaxy, one from "above"
and the other from "below"  :)  would you say that the galaxy was reversing direction
depending upon the perspective ? I wouldn't.  Then again, any of the more egocentric
parts of our selves, probably would. But in terms of meaningfully defining or measuring
many of the galaxy's physical aspects, one would need to first define a frame of reference.

Inertial frames of reference, and relativity and even Einstein's special relativity are the only
way physics has found to describe certain phenomena.

Is the perspective of one's having a perspective the ultimate perspective ?
Not from my point of view.

One could simply turn away from the galaxy and look in another direction.  Time is
a bit more pervasive. It's more difficult to step outside of time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVro5wxqh4U
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: nix85 on September 26, 2021, 05:31:55 PM
I might add that in one contact case (and there are others similar to this) they said their time is out of phase with ours. We know 7 great spirals of astral matter surround the earth millions of miles into space, these are full of life of which this so called physical plane is a copy, NOT vice versa. Cities, industries, people, every single thing that is here is first there and much more that has not yet been clothed in the substance of this plane.

There are also 7 negative levels within the earth also spanning millions of miles, how is it possible, it is cause it exists on higher frequency, more waves in same space.

Interestingly, time on the lower astral levels above earth where most go when they 'die' (no such thing as death) is in sync with our time.

More about this movie Astral City based on material given through world known medium Chico Xavier.

And the book of same name http://www.oconsolador.com.br/linkfixo/bibliotecavirtual/ingles/AstralCity.pdf

What you see below are mountains of astral matter of which there are thousands all over the planet over all mayor cities. Inside these mountains is 'umbral' aka shadow zone, obviously word is similar to umbrella. These are the limbos, purification zones. On the top are cities of light, you can see the shaft of light projecting into space.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: Floor on September 27, 2021, 04:21:31 PM
The not understood, word (in the vdeo below) is not "weapon" but means somethimg
more like technology or better yet capacity or ability.


https://duckduckgo.com/?q=youtube+%22arrival%22+scenes+%22they+need+our+help%22&t=ffab&iar=videos&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DLwPpwLy4UIU
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: onepower on October 01, 2021, 01:36:17 AM
Floor
You didn't answer the question and as I said nobody probably will.

Here's an easier question... why would you think the material properties of an object, our clock, wouldn't change at very high velocity?.

It seems pretty common sense considering space is not empty but full of plasma, high energy particles, radiation and em waves. Obviously something moving faster would interact with more stuff more often. Yet somehow everyone  got it in there head that time somehow miraculously changed. It's the most bizarre thing I have ever seen and cannot understand  how anyone could come to that conclusion.

I mean it wasn't that long ago that claiming time was variable would be met with hysterical laughter. Like little Joe thinking he could fly by tugging on his boot straps, lol. Yet somehow most bought into this strange belief. 

Meanwhile nix85 is trying to argue he's immortal, lol. Things are getting really weird out there and I'm not sure anyone should be giving people advanced technology. Many are even throwing around the nuclear option because they actually believe they cannot die... fruit loops and unicorns.

Regards
AC
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: Floor on October 01, 2021, 05:00:28 AM
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Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: Floor on October 01, 2021, 05:33:54 AM
floor
I would agree, however since all mass can be affected by changing forces so must the patterns of oscillation and apparent measurement of time.

It comes down to a single question...
Your clock just changed, do you believe time in the entire universe just changed or that your clock simply changed in some way?.

It's kind of neat that anyone could write any number of books, give countless lectures, post hundreds of times a day with pages of complex equations yet one simple question renders all this a mute point. Do you believe your clock changed in some way or time as we know it in the entire universe?.

Like any really good question nobody seems want to answer it, lol.

Regards
AC

@ onepower

This question ?

"Your clock just changed, do you believe time in the entire universe just changed or that your clock simply changed in some way?. "
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
onepower quote
"I would agree, however since all mass can be affected by changing forces so must the patterns of oscillation and apparent measurement of time."
end of that quote

             What do you mean by "Your clock simply changed in some way" ? 
You held back the hands for an hour, or, you and the clock go traveling at
some vastly different speed than did a reference clock ?

Not only the "apparent measurement of time" but the actual measurement of time.

It is not simply as if some clock's pendulum's swing changes, but also the speed of the
orbits of the electrons and so on ... all of it changes.

If one is moving with the clock, the speed of one's perception, (PHYSICAL neurological event)
of the clock hand motions is changed and so on. One cannot tell if the clock has sped up
or slowed down, because it has done neither, from one's own perspective.

From the perspective of the clock, time changed in the rest of the universe.

From the perspective of the rest of the universe time changed in the clock.

    That is relativity.

Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: onepower on October 01, 2021, 06:51:56 AM
floor
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: Floor on October 01, 2021, 03:17:58 PM
Floor
You didn't answer the question and as I said nobody probably will.

Here's an easier question... why would you think the material properties of an object, our clock, wouldn't change at very high velocity?.

It seems pretty common sense considering space is not empty but full of plasma, high energy particles, radiation and em waves. Obviously something moving faster would interact with more stuff more often. Yet somehow everyone  got it in there head that time somehow miraculously changed. It's the most bizarre thing I have ever seen and cannot understand  how anyone could come to that conclusion.

I mean it wasn't that long ago that claiming time was variable would be met with hysterical laughter. Like little Joe thinking he could fly by tugging on his boot straps, lol. Yet somehow most bought into this strange belief. 

Meanwhile nix85 is trying to argue he's immortal, lol. Things are getting really weird out there and I'm not sure anyone should be giving people advanced technology. Many are even throwing around the nuclear option because they actually believe they cannot die... fruit loops and unicorns.

Regards
AC

"Interacting with more stuff more often" is not at all the explanation Einstein gives in
his theories of relativity.

"I mean it wasn't that long ago that claiming time was variable would be met with hysterical laughter."

Are you referring to laughter as in a free and natural expression, or the contrived way in which
a feigned laughter is sometimes a method of ridiculing others. as is "LOL" so often such a method?

"Like little Joe thinking he could fly by tugging on his boot straps, lol. Yet somehow most bought into this strange belief. "

Really? How many people, just like little Joe, think they can fly by tugging on their
boot straps ?

"Yet somehow everyone got it in there head that time somehow miraculously changed."

Well I guess that depends on whether or not one sees life as "miraculous".  Seen as
miraculous or not, time does change.

"It's the most bizarre thing I have ever seen and cannot understand  how anyone could come to that conclusion. "

What is perhaps even more bizarre is that sometimes, even though we have eyes,
we yet refuse to see.

"Meanwhile nix85 is trying to argue he's immortal, lol."

                  lol ?

"Many are even throwing around the nuclear option because they actually believe they cannot die... fruit loops and unicorns."

I'm inclined to believe that our fears are what underlie most of our expressions of violence.

  best wishes
               floor
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: Floor on October 01, 2021, 04:42:01 PM
Floor
You didn't answer the question and as I said nobody probably will.

Here's an easier question... why would you think the material properties of an object, our clock, wouldn't change at very high velocity?.

It seems pretty common sense considering space is not empty but full of plasma, high energy particles, radiation and em waves. Obviously something moving faster would interact with more stuff more often. Yet somehow everyone  got it in there head that time somehow miraculously changed. It's the most bizarre thing I have ever seen and cannot understand  how anyone could come to that conclusion.

I mean it wasn't that long ago that claiming time was variable would be met with hysterical laughter. Like little Joe thinking he could fly by tugging on his boot straps, lol. Yet somehow most bought into this strange belief. 

Meanwhile nix85 is trying to argue he's immortal, lol. Things are getting really weird out there and I'm not sure anyone should be giving people advanced technology. Many are even throwing around the nuclear option because they actually believe they cannot die... fruit loops and unicorns.

Regards
AC

I have answered your first question twice now, in two distinct replies.

As for your second "easier question". It is based in so much misunderstanding on your
part that it cannot be answered.  Its premise is twice, incorrect.

"why would you think the material properties of an object, our clock, wouldn't change at very high velocity?."

i.e. Why would onepower think that birds being lighter than air wouldn't  be the reason they
can fly. ?


Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: Floor on October 02, 2021, 03:30:59 AM
I think the technical aspects of this world are important, sure.  But in my own
life, it is apparent that the better the quality of my relationships with
others is, the better my own life is.  That is a big part of what I am myself am
trying to do a better job of, at the O.U. forum.  lol.

  floor
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: onepower on October 02, 2021, 02:42:13 PM
Floor
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As for your second "easier question". It is based in so much misunderstanding on your
part that it cannot be answered.  Its premise is twice, incorrect.

I'm simply arguing a point already accepted by science that the most logical theory which makes the least assumptions is generally the right one.

In my opinion it is illogical to think universal time actually changed in a moving object which could then effect other time frames. Like the strange notion that one thing could experience two years passing and another thing four years simply because one thing is moving. We have no evidence to support this theory other than the fact "a clock changed" based on inaccurate data.

That is, a moving clock appearing to change time is an inaccuracy just like our oscilloscope not being properly calibrated is an inaccuracy.

It's like thinking universal time changed creating countless paradoxes simply because the pendulum on a grandfather clock oscillated faster or slower. They seem to be confusing a measure of something with something tangible and reality. This is why the science community claims we need to be very careful about what we think were actually measuring and it's context.

If I were doing the clock at rest/moving clock experiment I would have simply allowed for the fact that a moving clock becomes inaccurate the faster it moves. At no point would it cross my mind that time actually changed or that it could actually affect other things, it's absurd in my opinion.

As well the Aether/dark matter-energy theory solves this problem by recognizing that something moving through the medium of space is affected and does produce errors in our measurements. So you see all this GR hub bub is simply a misunderstanding based on inaccurate data... that's all.

Regards
AC
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: Floor on October 02, 2021, 03:15:34 PM
Up and down are really away from earths center and toward it.
Locally valid, universally invalid, but it is a natural assumption to conclude
that up and down are universally uniform.

It is also an assumption to think a universal time actually exists.

   regards
         floor
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: ramset on October 02, 2021, 03:30:09 PM
Here a fellow who says he has a gain mechanism inline with thread theme


It was shared by Member AlienGrey ( or his offspring??)here and elsewhere !
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PS have a look at the G Sav thread on youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEU6oLnQfVqnPRT7vBspYZQ (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEU6oLnQfVqnPRT7vBspYZQ)
Regards Sil
End quote


I must say
You fellows do write some very intriguing posts(one and floor


 There’s definitely a book or two in the making here!

I just wanted an opinion on AG’s thoughts , and this thread is relevant


( on his endorsement of the above you tube experimenter !


Respectfully
Chet K


Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: Floor on October 02, 2021, 03:49:15 PM
@ramset

Thanks for the link / reminder that we / I are off topic here.

   regards
      floor
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: nix85 on October 04, 2021, 12:33:39 AM
Floor
You didn't answer the question and as I said nobody probably will.

Here's an easier question... why would you think the material properties of an object, our clock, wouldn't change at very high velocity?.

You should let go of denying relativity of time, it's just wrong. That is one point on which EVERY single intelligent source agrees, from mainstream science, to contactee reports, to occultism and spiritism, time flow is different on various planes of existence. I wrote multiple times that i correlated from Theosophy and 2 different contactee cases that matter density, speed of light and rate of time flow are x49 on each plane above this one.

It is clearly stated by the Theosophists, Neville Goddard and yogi teacher Ishwar Puri that when you raise your awareness to astral level physical time can be stopped, moved back and forward just like a movie. Time in purely linear sense is but an illusion. Just physically leaving the Earth according to mainstream and other sources one loses the sense of time, this is not just due to the fact that day/night cycle is upset. Relativity says this difference in time flow between orbit and surface is very tiny, but the sense of linear time flow apparently goes away farther we are removed from the planet surface (or deeper we go toward the Earth center).

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Meanwhile nix85 is trying to argue he's immortal, lol.

HA. Funny to see you still deny you are an immortal soul having a 'physical' experience.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: ramset on October 04, 2021, 04:28:54 PM
Relativity topic bumped by OnePower
https://overunity.com/18948/the-aether-versus-general-relativity/msg560677/#new (https://overunity.com/18948/the-aether-versus-general-relativity/msg560677/#new)


Repost with question
Below
Snip)
  Here a fellow who says he has a gain mechanism inline with “this thread theme”
It was shared by Member AlienGrey ( or his offspring??)here and elsewhere !
AG Quote
“PS have a look at the G Sav thread on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEU6oLnQfVqnPRT7vBspYZQ (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEU6oLnQfVqnPRT7vBspYZQ)
Regards Sil”
End quote


Respectfully submitted
Chet K