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## Solid States Devices => TPU replications => Topic started by: bajac on May 08, 2012, 01:14:01 AM

Title: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: bajac on May 08, 2012, 01:14:01 AM
I wanted to post a document that might explain how the radiant energy devices work. See attached PDF document.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: sparks on May 08, 2012, 05:51:21 PM
I wanted to post a document that might explain how the radiant energy devices work. See attached PDF document.

I believe that all resonance used by Tesla et al. is to convert small gains at high voltage and frequency to usable current.  Parametric resonance.  A spark gap can capacitively couple a primary power scource with a secondary.  The energy is transferred to the secondary which is ringing at the desired frequency.  The current and voltage in the secondary can become thousands of magnitudes that of the input very quickly.  Say your input is 60hz ac 20kv.  You want  8million volts at 1 megaherz.  You build your secondary to be resonant at 1 megahertz and attach through the gap to the 60hz 20kv supply.  Over a period of time the secondary will climb to 8million volts 80 or 90 amp 1 megahertz.  This is no different than spinning up a flywheel with a little motor, waiting then coupling the flywheel to a big generator. You can go the other way also and spin the flywheel up with a big motor for a short time and have the little generator put out for a long time.  No magic.  But say you are pickingup in the spark gap itself 1 microwatt per secondary cycle.  The secondary is being fed this microwatt one million times a second for a gain of 1watt second.  No big deal we need killowatt hours.  Say that gap is picking up 1 watt per secondary cycle.  Now your talking.  That's a million watt seconds.  One million watts for one second or 1 watt for a million seconds.  100 times 10 to the 4th divided by 36 times 10 to the second.  Just about enough to power a small 1/2 horsepower motor all day.  You can burn atomospheric nitrogen in a spark gap for gain.  Not a good thing.  Plenty of oxidized nitrogen around from combustion engines.  The emradiation from a spark gap is evidence that electrons are slowing down there.  An electron in a higher orbital is dropping to a lower one.  This is an exothermic process.  Could an electric field act as a catalyst in cooling electrons.  The electrons fall to a lower orbital and voila photon generation.  The field extracts enough energy from the electron so that it takes the plunge. This emits emradiation from whatever excited the electron to begin with.  (big bang?)  The photon emitted by the cooled electron now radiates and is absorbed by surrounding atoms.  They take the leap the other way going excited and then cooled but they drop two shells because of electrostatic cooling.  Pretty soon there is a shitload of emradiation coming out of that gap. This energy and wavelength is enough to ionize the atoms of the gas and in the gap plasma begins to form.  The plasma is highly conductive and the gap will short unless a magnetic field is employed to control it's structure.
That plasma when condensed into a hot gas can easily radiate one watt of power.  The surface of the sun is said to be hot.  This is crap.  It's warm.  The corona is hot.  This is where the plasma changes phase into a thermally hot gas.  The fusion process within the sun produces less thermal heat per volume than the metabolic conversion of a sloth.  It's just that it's alot of volume. How can something this diffuse produce millions of degrees.  The energy is stored in a magnetcally confined plasma which gets hotter and hotter as plasma goes.  This plasma is not magnetically confined perfectly.  Some of it finds it's way to the coronasphere where it converts into a thermally hot gas.  This conversion of the plasma to a gas is accompanied by production of atoms.  Magnetic storms on the surface of the sun allow for huge amounts of plasma to migrate from the normal cellular structrue of the solar plasmasphere.  This causes a large conversion of plasma into gas and a solar flare is born.  Pieces of the plasma can be accelerated by the magnetic storm and remain as plasma reaching the earth where they encounter earths mag field and slow down and combine into atoms accompanied by emradiation.  Good energy transport scheme.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: bajac on May 09, 2012, 12:11:05 AM
Sparks, I do not understand the point you are trying to make. If you read the document, do you have any comment about it? What do you agree or disagree with? Is there anything that you consider of interest in the document? Look at the document as something different from what you have learned?
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: bajac on May 15, 2012, 01:31:09 AM
It is interesting to compare the circuit disclosed by Edwin Gray and the Tesla patent #568,176 dated September 22, 1894. I have attached the first page of the patent. As shown on this page, Fig. 1 is a circuit consisting of inductors, capacitor, transformer (Tesla's), and a controller (interrupter). See a pattern? ==> High voltage capacitor (H), controller C (functioning as the spark gap), primary wires K (functioning as the electrodes), and secondary wire L (acting as a grid).
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: sparks on May 15, 2012, 08:49:03 PM
I did read your post and appreciate the amount of work invested in this post.  Certainly a high voltage field is involved in many of the devices under consideration for energy collection.  Eric Dollard describes a wave produced by Tesla that is infinite in magnitude and infintesimal in length.  Such a wave could  be considered as existing in the emradiation spectrum well above gamma.  Moray also believed that his system was working with frequencies well above gamma.  Tesla's wave would appear to produce an electrostatic field because there is no sensible time variant amplitude to the wave,  when what is being considered an electrostatic field is a large number of  waves with infinite amplitude and infintesimal wave length.  These waves would terminate at the conductor.  The closest thing I can describe these as are transient voltage spikes generated at different times.  We know that the electric fields associated with uv frequency wavelength radiation is very capable of ionizing atoms due to the fields interference with the columb force that exists between the neucleus and the atom.  Shorter wavelengths affecting smaller and smaller scale until we get to gamma and this field is enough to effect subatomic particle structure.  I believe this electrostatic field we see in many of the devices is somehow disrupting the normal flow of energy which may well be a "universal" frequency of which all matter is a product of.  Matter as we now it basically a subeat of this frequency.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: bajac on May 20, 2012, 03:36:11 AM
Why did Mr. Gray place the carbon resistor (30) inside the energy conversion element (14)?
The integration of dissimilar materials [such as the carbon resistor (30) and the electrode (32)] might also help on minimizing the radiation effect resulting from electrode (32). Because the carbon has a lower atomic mass than the metals, it should have higher exciting energy. I am assuming that materials with higher charge densities should also have lower exciting energy levels. If this is the case, the resistor (30) could decrease the level of the residual electrostatic voltage induced with respect to the electrode (32). Because the vacuum tube rectifier (28) blocks any current coming from the negatively charged electrode (32), the latter can remain charged due to the small parasitic capacitance existing between this electrode and the other two elements; the electrode (12) and the grid (34). Any residual charge will generate a parasitic voltage between the elements of the energy conversion device (14) that can negatively affect the performance of the capacitor (16). The effect of this residual voltage is to oppose the voltage of the capacitor (16) when the contact in the distributor (26) closes the circuit. In other words, the voltage between the spark gap electrodes (12 & 32) is the voltage of the capacitor (16) minus the voltage of the battery (40) minus the residual electrostatic voltage. If the residual electrostatic voltage reaches a critical level; it can kill the radiant phenomenon.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: jbignes5 on June 28, 2012, 11:54:22 PM
http://www.rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm#press (http://www.rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm#press)

Read and enjoy. This is what gray was hiding.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: bajac on June 29, 2012, 02:48:13 AM
jbignes5 (http://www.overunity.com/profile/jbignes5.25455/), thanks for the information. I glanced it and looks very interesting. It will take me some time to finish it reading.

It seems that the article explains the power gains based on plasma events. However, it does not explain the power gain of the over unity apparatus using induction coils, only.

Thanks again!bajac.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: jbignes5 on June 29, 2012, 02:15:59 PM
http://www.rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm#press (http://www.rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm#press)

Read and enjoy. This is what gray was hiding.

Here is the drawings of the gray tube properly designed.

http://www.rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm#5449989 (http://www.rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm#5449989)

figure 18.

Well the title is "Radiant Electriciy Generated with "Spark Gaps" and Induction Coils"
So generate the radiant energy via spark gap then harvest via induction coil(s). Very simple...
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: sparks on July 01, 2012, 10:18:34 PM
A spark gap is a multispectrum transmitter.  It is powered by electron rest mass conversion to kinetic energy. Pick a frequency setup an antennae and tune to the thousands of frequencies obtainable in a spark gap emission.  Tesla's greatest contribution to radio was the utilization of electrical resonance both in the transmitter and receiver.  He patented the whole idea of channels.  They had wireless transmission of information via morse code.  This was discovered by accident when relay points on telegraph stations would complete circuits without the armature moving.  The plasma would short the input relay contacts and allow the output relay to energise.  They realized that you didnt need a complete circuit to convey information,  Without Tesla's invention there was total chaos in the information systems due to the large number of messages being sent via multispectrum emissions.  Tesla gave us the resonate electrical service to filter out all the messages except those on a specific carrier wave.  This allowed receivers and transmitters to simoultaneously transmit information instead of waiting for other stations to shutup.

@bigJ

NICE
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: jbignes5 on July 02, 2012, 02:38:30 PM
A spark gap is a multispectrum transmitter.  It is powered by electron rest mass conversion to kinetic energy. Pick a frequency setup an antennae and tune to the thousands of frequencies obtainable in a spark gap emission.  Tesla's greatest contribution to radio was the utilization of electrical resonance both in the transmitter and receiver.  He patented the whole idea of channels.  They had wireless transmission of information via morse code.  This was discovered by accident when relay points on telegraph stations would complete circuits without the armature moving.  The plasma would short the input relay contacts and allow the output relay to energise.  They realized that you didnt need a complete circuit to convey information,  Without Tesla's invention there was total chaos in the information systems due to the large number of messages being sent via multispectrum emissions.  Tesla gave us the resonate electrical service to filter out all the messages except those on a specific carrier wave.  This allowed receivers and transmitters to simoultaneously transmit information instead of waiting for other stations to shutup.

@bigJ

NICE

Not multispectrum but broadband emission, you had the Idea of it right. Resonance only plays a role to tuning on the receiver. The actual spark emission is the broadband part then it can be tuned by a filter of sorts (metal via mass and shape). Resonance is usually on the receiver side and is used to be selective to a certain range of the filtered broadband emission.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: sparks on July 02, 2012, 05:45:00 PM
Your right jbigness it was late and I kind of questioned the word transmitter should have used emitter?  I do believe however that Tesla used resonance in his transformers.  The transformer secondaries are tuned to block the oscillations emitted by the gap. The secondary serves as both antennae and oscillator.  The secondary offers infinite impedance to the signal.  Therefore the energy produced in the spark gap is not radiated it remains in the oscillator/antennae with very high voltages appearing at either end of the secondary.  The secondary inductance coil is designed so that it has very low distributed capacitance.  He wants to charge what is commonly called the top load capacitor.  He not only wants to charge the topload metal capacitor near field he wants to create a top load capacitor that comprises all of the medium between  transmitter and receiver.  It is just my opinion but I believe he was planning to create a man made ionosphere.  The biggest discovery of Tesla was that the dry sandy colorado springs location where he couldn't establish a ground for his lightning arrestors were conducting telluric currents.  By producing mechanical oscillations in the ground he made the telluric currents in the field of his transmitter to become wavelike.  Sound waves would travel through the Earth and reach
receivers that were now observers of telluric currents of varying intensity.   I don't know about you but every time I see a change in current it results in change in the magnetic field surrounding the currents.  Telluric currents appear to be gravity currents as they flow towards massive objects.  As the Earth spins in relationship to the massive sun currents appear to reverse in the rest frame of a person on earth.  The currents do not reverse the observer changes position relative to the telluric currents.  They pretty much flow from one massive object to another.  When a massive amount of the Sun reaches Earth during a solar storm event the telluric currents which give rise to magnetic permeability of everything they flow throw are accelerated by all this mass that shouldn't be there. AC transformer cores rely heavily on core saturation parameters to impede current flow from line to line.  When the telluric currents are altered so is the magnetic permeability of all the metals on Earth.  High voltage primaries see no impedance from line to line and short circuit.  Substation voltage regulators don't work properly either because they are magnetic amplifiers drawing on current to increase voltage available to the load.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: jbignes5 on July 03, 2012, 12:06:58 AM
Your right jbigness it was late and I kind of questioned the word transmitter should have used emitter?  I do believe however that Tesla used resonance in his transformers.  The transformer secondaries are tuned to block the oscillations emitted by the gap. The secondary serves as both antennae and oscillator.  The secondary offers infinite impedance to the signal.  Therefore the energy produced in the spark gap is not radiated it remains in the oscillator/antennae with very high voltages appearing at either end of the secondary.  The secondary inductance coil is designed so that it has very low distributed capacitance.  He wants to charge what is commonly called the top load capacitor.  He not only wants to charge the topload metal capacitor near field he wants to create a top load capacitor that comprises all of the medium between  transmitter and receiver.  It is just my opinion but I believe he was planning to create a man made ionosphere.  The biggest discovery of Tesla was that the dry sandy colorado springs location where he couldn't establish a ground for his lightning arrestors were conducting telluric currents.  By producing mechanical oscillations in the ground he made the telluric currents in the field of his transmitter to become wavelike.  Sound waves would travel through the Earth and reach
receivers that were now observers of telluric currents of varying intensity.   I don't know about you but every time I see a change in current it results in change in the magnetic field surrounding the currents.  Telluric currents appear to be gravity currents as they flow towards massive objects.  As the Earth spins in relationship to the massive sun currents appear to reverse in the rest frame of a person on earth.  The currents do not reverse the observer changes position relative to the telluric currents.  They pretty much flow from one massive object to another.  When a massive amount of the Sun reaches Earth during a solar storm event the telluric currents which give rise to magnetic permeability of everything they flow throw are accelerated by all this mass that shouldn't be there. AC transformer cores rely heavily on core saturation parameters to impede current flow from line to line.  When the telluric currents are altered so is the magnetic permeability of all the metals on Earth.  High voltage primaries see no impedance from line to line and short circuit.  Substation voltage regulators don't work properly either because they are magnetic amplifiers drawing on current to increase voltage available to the load.

Again I have to agree that resonance will only help the driver side but it is not necessary to get the effect. Resonance must be in the receiver only as a rule. Resonance has a role in only the matter side but the network in between matter is always at resonance. We must shift the resonance of matter to adjust to the natural resonance of this network. This can be done via the electric field as proved by Itsu. But in reaching resonance of matter to this natural inter space network the more it increases it's density. This amplifies or augments the matters ability to conduct energy through expansion of this internal energy network.

Just as much as we can create a magnetic field we can create an electric field that is cheaper and way less of a cost to make in every way. It also works over vast distances for transmission with very little loss. This also can be done via one wire transmission so that we can amplify or augment two points in space to conduct all forms of movement better. That includes us as well. Tesla reported having better energy and clearer thoughts in this enhanced fields. But it has to be in moderation, so partial shielding must be used to reduce exposure to the humans using the device. Although it isn't deadly at higher frequencies it still needs to be explored to the effects on the human being.
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: bajac on August 02, 2012, 02:15:56 AM
One of the most difficult electrical subjects that I encountered is â€œgroundingâ€. Most electrical engineers never really master this subject. I am speaking based on my own experience with colleagues who are seniors with 50+ years of electrical engineering practice. These engineers do not really design grounding systems but instead copy over a grounding design from previous projects or use tables without truly understanding their limitations.

Power books just tell the importance of grounding power systems by stating that dangerous over voltages can be induced in ungrounded systems capable of breaking the insulations of electrical machines such as transformers, motors, etc. In one relay protection book, the over voltage of the ungrounded system is explained as caused by the resonance of the LC circuit formed by the cable inductances and the capacitance with respect to ground when a circuit breaker opens. But still, the books point out that there are unpredictable (and dangerous) over voltages in a steady state ungrounded power system. The design of ungrounded power systems require the monitoring and protection against these over voltages.

I was very surprised when I found the answer to this "problem" in a Tesla patent No. 685,957 â€œApparatus For The Utilization Of Radiant Energyâ€ dated November 05, 1901.

In this patent, Tesla explains that a capacitor with one terminal connected to ground and the other terminal connected to a metal plate will continuously charge up indefinitely until the dielectric strength of the insulator in the capacitor is broken. This is exactly the case for ungrounded transmission line systems. If the secondary of the transformer connected to the transmission lines is not grounded, the isolated secondary of the transformer forms a capacitor with respect to the grounded enclosure and iron core. The radiant energy, as explained by Tesla, will eventually charge up the parasitic capacitance in the secondary winding until the transformer insulation breaks leaving it permanently damaged.

Then I asked the following question, why such important information that directly affects the design of todayâ€™s electrical power systems is not mentioned in the books?

I strongly believe this is not a coincidence. This information is suppressed because it immediately leads to the concept of the utilization of free energy. One may ask, if this free voltage is induced, could its energy be tapped?

Thanks!

I HAVE ATTACHED A DOCUMENT THAT EXPLAINS THIS EVENT IN MORE DETAILS!

Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: wings on August 02, 2012, 10:09:28 AM
http://www.rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm#press (http://www.rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm#press)

Read and enjoy. This is what gray was hiding.

Related post

http://www.overunity.com/1965/correas-pagd-in-action/nowap/#.UBo1KMg0NjM

Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: antimony on March 28, 2017, 05:12:54 PM
I did not want to post a new thread about what i "discovered" just now.
Its new to me at least.

I am starting out playing with my Tesla coil/Moroz spark gap generator when i tried to ground my spark gap and The flourecent bulb lit up to like 80% and The amp wen down from 1,6 down to 0,8 A.

What happened? :)
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: TinselKoala on March 28, 2017, 07:00:10 PM
You went from having an extremely inefficient circuit to one that is just very inefficient.    ;)
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: antimony on March 29, 2017, 11:11:23 AM
You went from having an extremely inefficient circuit to one that is just very inefficient.    ;)

Haha, yeah. Thats right. :)

I am just starting out playing with these sort of "systems" or technology, and i was surprised when the bulb lit up like that.
The flyback starts to ring, and the SG doesn´t spark anymore, at all.

Anyway, it doesn´t light up an incandecent bulb at all, so i guess it needs more current, or what?
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: TinselKoala on March 29, 2017, 12:56:56 PM
Maybe so.

8)
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: AlienGrey on March 29, 2017, 05:33:58 PM
It's a simple fact the base of the Tesla coil is CURRENT (Amps) and the Topend is High Voltage, BEMF is produced when the magnetic field collapses in the drive coil, the lower the circuit resistance in the on off switch the higher the BEMF. If you experimented you would already know that.

AG
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: antimony on March 31, 2017, 09:52:15 AM
It's a simple fact the base of the Tesla coil is CURRENT (Amps) and the Topend is High Voltage, BEMF is produced when the magnetic field collapses in the drive coil, the lower the circuit resistance in the on off switch the higher the BEMF. If you experimented you would already know that.

AG

Ok, im not 100% sure that i understand what you mean, but it clarified alot thou. I am going to check it out.

Yesterday i tried to put a ground on the base pin of my TIP3055 flyback driver, and the amp draw decreased by 0,2A, to 0,6A, while the small 11 watt bulb lit up a bit more, (~5%).

Did this lower the circuit resistance in the driver, or do i understand it all wrong?
Title: Re: Radiant Electriciy Generated with Spark Gaps and Induction Coils - Theory
Post by: dieter on April 02, 2017, 01:57:22 AM
From my POV, whenever there is a BEMF, there is a strong pull during which "the ground" becomes the positive pole. As its potential is the same as before, the BEMFs negative pole must be more negative than the ground. Therefor current may flow out of the ground. Same thing with lightnings that start at the ground.

A BEMF also pulls in other kinds of forces, radiant forces for instance.

Experimenting with a 3kV Sparkgap, shocking a graphite core, I observed strange reduction of power consumption: a coil around the core was pulsed at maybe 15kHz with short duty, the BEMF rectified and fed back into the battery, that run the whole 555+npn pulser unit. Even tho the 555 alone draws 10 mA at least, this circuit run for hours and barely drained the battery.
I had a strong feeling that the sparkplug and its cable that run diamerticly trough the coil, somehow greatly beefed up the BEMF.

Other things were: sparkgap increased in frequency and loudness, (a 3kV module running from seperate 3*1.5V batteries) despite the batteries voltage that you would expect to fall.