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Title: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on July 06, 2006, 03:59:14 AM
To all members,

My forum name, VANDUGEGS
E-mail, VANDUGEGS@YAHOO.CA
MSN Messenger.

First, I have been on and banned from another forum,(besseler).I guess I did not give out enought information or show all my video's, to everones request. I was also called a fraud.
People can make up their own mind.

I have been working on a gravity powered machine for 25 years. I have built a few and have had my best results, 3.5 years ago. This machine is 6 feet in height, has over 200lbs of moving weight and starts on it's own. I am having a replication built but it is taking longer then I thought, also I did not put a time frame on it's completion. I need this new machine in order to prove it can be built by another person and to have a genorator and a tec, installed in-order to show that the machine is not slowing down and has extra output.

I will try to answer any questions, you may have.
I would preferr to chat or use E-mail. What ever works for you.
Never give up, it can and has been done.

Take care

Darrell
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: FreeEnergy on July 06, 2006, 05:38:28 AM
post pics/vids/urls etc

thanks
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 06, 2006, 01:09:58 PM
What kind of principle are you using? Thanks.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on July 06, 2006, 09:32:12 PM
Good afternoon.

Overunity, I would have to say, it works for me.

My six foot machine has an accumulative, torque of 4.5 lbs at 3 o'clock. It takes all this weight (torque), for the six foot machine to start up.
I always use the hour locations to explain, so please bare with me?
The video of the first start up, explains much more.
Obviously, I can not show this on an open forum. At lest not right now, ( I or we will figure something out ).
I will discribe the first start up, of my overunity machine. I was very lucky, when I took the first video. The reason I say this is, when I let go of the machine, it only moved about 3 inches, the same with the next try. The reason it did not start, was the one weight, at 1:30 was not at it's outside location, a distance of 1- 3/4 inches, was the deference between, stat up or not. When I put the weight where it belonged, the machine started for the first time. It moved very slowly, for the first 10 inches, then even slowed down, for the next 10 inches, then it started to speed up. Their were problems but some fine tuneing, took care of them.
At one of my start ups, a spoke was bent, when it did not do, what it should have. The spoke is 3/4 inch round steel and the machine had only moved about 60 to 90 degrees. I wish I had a video of that. It shows the power of the machine.
I did a search for all videos and found over 1300. Many were copies and ofcourse family videos. As it turns out, I only have 239 videos of the six and eight foot machines. I also have some old video of the first wooden, six foot machine, that I had built over 13 years ago. This wooden machine proved the method I was using. In fact, if I had built it better, I could have put one more part on it and this E-mail would not be taken place.

Why am I here, To meet others with an interest in putting a gravity machine on the market or even building one of their own. I have some, but not all the math that would be needed in order to build a specific siize or a machine that will have a certain power output. You need to remember, that this machine needs to be a certain size, just to operate itself and then more of the important variables, so as to have power output, at the axle.

I use the word machine, because I have not found the correct wording or name. ( Engine, Motor, Turbine), do not seem to be correct.
I do have over 12000 photo's. Again, of the machine and others. This will take some time to separate.
I have said that I was on another fourm, I was called a fraud and banned. That fourm was for perpetual motion. I do not believe in that nor need to look in any other direction.
I have described my machine, by comparson as or with, ( windmills using the wind) and offcourse, my machine uses the pull of GRAVITY.
A good machine that can be put just about anywere, even the ( Moon or Mars), but getting back to were we are for now.
 I would like to find a person from each country and be sure it gets on the market in each country, with equality.
I do not believe a monopoly would be a good thing or even possible.

First things first. I have made a deal to have this machine replicated and thus, verified.
Unfortunataly, I did not put a time frame on this deal. He has said, he cannot finish the machine without my help. So thier goes a year and a half of my time and more importantly, a machine that can not be replicated by at lest one that other person, that I must say, was given a great chance. What now, one person at a time.
I do believe, it must  be built by another person, inorder to prove the workings of the machine and to me, the importance is the genorator and tachometer hookup, that was suppose to be included with a finished product.
He  would have been compensated as the deal said. I know I have to find others to build this machine and I would put a time frame on whatever the deal is.
I will try sending a photo of the first model I built, while in welding class.

Ask any questions you like and I will try to answer.

Darrell
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 07, 2006, 12:48:00 AM
@VANDUGEGS
What should that photo show ?
Why don?t you show a clear photo of your machine ?
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on July 07, 2006, 01:30:16 AM
The picture I sent was a test to see if I could post a photo or not.
I had problems in the past, with to large a photo and it was not accepted. The kb or something. As you can see, I am not good with computers.
The photo is that of the bent spoke and it only shows the left side (1/3rd),of the photo.
With regard to a picture of the machine, I have been looking for the correct one to post.
This photo is part of the eight footer.
It should show enought, to tell part of the work involved and the size.

Darrell
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: TheOne on July 07, 2006, 04:12:40 AM
lol

we dont know what the wheel look like, its hard to understand from the pic.

an easy replication will be something like the size of a toy, so more easy to poeples to replicate!
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: mark australia on July 07, 2006, 04:50:10 AM
Hi Darell,
i dont think you need to have a device indepently built, just intependently tested. This can be ne without disclosing your secrets or functionality of the device before you fully protect them.
I am sure I could ask members of the NEC who I belong to do this as they are scattered around the world.
What country do you live in.
i also might mention there is a lot of prize money being offered by different organsiations and individuals to those who can successfully demonstrate what you have claimed.
Mark
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: Landor on July 07, 2006, 05:43:26 AM
Ok got an idea as to this device. Looks like a large dia spoked wheel with weights on the outer spokes. Has to be turning some gearing which in turn will drive a gearbox or something which has a shaft from which you could mount a pulley etc to run a generator etc.

Must have a moving component within the structure somewhere to create your inertia.

Maybe someone will correct me if im wrong.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on July 07, 2006, 05:45:21 AM
Hi Mark,

What is the NEC?
I have showed a video to a mechanical engineer, he immediately phoned a friend at the NRC in Alberta.
He said they could not be involved with a person, without that person being a businessman, for at lest one year.
The photos I posted are, the bent spoke,the first model 25 years ago and the top of an eight footer.

Prizes, what prizes?

Darrell
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: mark australia on July 07, 2006, 06:27:59 AM
The NEC is the New Energy Congress. They eveluate new technologies and rank them in importance. they are not a business organisation.
I am however a venture capitalist.
Have been burnt many times in the past in the area of overunity..so I like to see things independently tested before I get get involved.
I will compile a list of prizes tommorow but they do have some criteria to be met.
However if you do have a device that does run on gravity and can produce even a small amount of usable energy you would certainly qualify for some of these awards.  I would certainly be intersted as well once I had done some economic modelling of the viability of these devices.
kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: Landor on July 07, 2006, 06:41:12 AM
How would you go if I could produce a cam piston driven type engine using magnets Mark?
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: mark australia on July 07, 2006, 07:25:47 AM
Dear Landor
I would be delighted,
I have followed up on a few magnetic motor devices over the years and they seem to have a common failing in that the magnet used losse their power when a device is put under load or allowed to run for a long period of time.
However having said that I encourage everyone to pursue their ideas. My interest isnt money but more for solving environmental and economic issues surrounding energy consumption and production.
My email is mark.dansie@advatel.biz.
I am not however interested in financing proof of concept devices and my past record is 100% loss. But if a working prototype can be made that can be tested..then I am willing to throw all my resources behind it.
I am always an optimist but with a healthy dose of scheptism.
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nightwynd on July 12, 2006, 06:23:02 PM
Hey Darrell,
Count me in for building another one in Canada :) I'd love to help out, and I'm only a few hours away. I'm trying to work out my schedule to figure out a time when I can get enough time to make the trip. I'll contact you on MSN to see what's good for you if you like. Signing an NDA isn't a problem either. If you don't mind, I can take a few pictures and get the posted here as well - all approved by you of course. I'm also quite interested in building one for myself...
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on July 14, 2006, 03:04:13 AM
Over 2,000 members,

I would like nothing better, then to be in contact with at lest one person from each country.
How lucky could one be to have this machine built and marketed, by someone with the same interests and reasons to bring this machine to market.
The question is how to find all these people?
Any suggestions?

I would also like to publicly thank the above person for looking into making a trip to my home town.

I would also like to suggest, to all interested members of this forum, that if their are any questions that you would like answered, feel free to post them as soon as you can.

You can E-mail me at:   VANDUGEGS@YAHOO.CA

After the trip is over, the answers will be posted by the traveler. He must offcourse agree to this idea.
I will look over the previous posts and try to give better answers and also post some more pictures.

I look farward to all members imput.
Thanks for your time

Darrell

PS  This is an old video, about 14 years old, it shows what I had to work with. ( ASK QUESTIONS,GET ANSWERS)
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 14, 2006, 03:20:46 AM
Hi Darrell, did you film the machine
not longer, so one could see, if it turns
contineously ?
Interesting mechanismus from 12 to 2 o?clock.
How about the lower part ?
How are the weights risen over there ?
Many thanks.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on July 14, 2006, 04:22:49 AM
The video is of an old wooden machine. I built it about 14 years ago. I had no other way to build one, because I only had wood working tools. I then had to design a machine, with only wood in mind.
That wooden machine never rotated, it only moved about 30-35 degrees. It proved some of the experements that I needed to scale up, inorder to use the many variables. that are nessesary for a gravity powered machine.
This machine had about 144 lbs of moving weight and it was very, unstable. It did have a lift of 7 inches. This may not sound like much but you should know that when it moved, it moved 36 lbs, a total of 14 inches and three spokes at one time.
The start up of the 30 degrees was good enought at the time.
Specking of start up, not many understand the importance of a machine that can start bye itself.
I now have a machine that resets itself every 30 degrees.

Darrell
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 14, 2006, 04:05:53 PM
Hi Darell, can you post also a video of your current wheel ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 15, 2006, 06:03:57 AM
I just had a longer talk with Darrel , who was very nice on MSN Messenger
and I signed an NDA, so he will show me the machine.

Maybe someone in Canada can do the same and visit him and
help him setup a marketing plan for the machine.
He has worked many years on it and he does not want to
give it away for free, which is understandable....

What would be the best plan, so he could make some
good money out of it and still get it out to the public ?
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nightwynd on July 15, 2006, 03:43:23 PM
Thats a really good question Stefan...I've been wondering the same thing myself. I'm planning a trip up to Darrell's sometime soon, just have to book the time off of work. What I would like to know though is, what do people need to know to actually belive that this works, without going into the mechanical aspects of it? Basically I'm looking for a list of questions that need answering as well as what kinds of pictures that should be taken. Please either post the questions here, or email them to me - nightwynd@gmail.com

Thanks!
nightwynd.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: mark australia on July 15, 2006, 05:06:34 PM
I would be happy to sign a NDA. Its a tricky process to get something like this out there. First step is verification and have it independently tested. Second is to protect the intellectual property. if these two steps are taken then it is an easy process to get the money provided the economics of it stacks up.
Questions to ask is the usual
1: power in vs power out.
2: Capital cost to usable power.
If it does run as a gravity motor without any other percieved power source (solar, wind, electrical, chemical) it could be in the running for some prize money (Randi, Eric Graig etc).
The main thing is to have it indepentantly tested by a trusted party. The NEC has some very good people in the states.
Mark (Australia) PS I have skype and msn if Darell wants a chat ...no need for me to see anything.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 15, 2006, 07:27:52 PM
Hi nightwynd,

the notes and questions you should ask:

1. He should show you the machine running and you have tomake
sure there is no hidden energ source like batteries or hidden cables
or RF receiver.

2. Then sign an eye wittness report, that you have seen it running and
for how long.

3. Sign an NDA, so Darrel is sure, you don?t tell the principle to other
people and speak with Darrel about the possible marketing and production
processes, if it first would be probably best to find a company, that
will produce a desktop toy out of it or sell "how to"manuals on Ebay
or CDs with movies from it on Ebay or something simular...

4. I guess, if Darrel will choose to go the public way to put
out a video with the running machine and a stamped in title,
that it is his invention, he would be recognized in history as the
2nd Bessler and will make much more money from his famousity,
all the Talk Shows he would be invited and TV shows, etc...
and he could write a book, that could be a bestseller, get prize money
or the Nobel prize, etc...
So I would go for an open public demonstration.


Thats a really good question Stefan...I've been wondering the same thing myself. I'm planning a trip up to Darrell's sometime soon, just have to book the time off of work. What I would like to know though is, what do people need to know to actually belive that this works, without going into the mechanical aspects of it? Basically I'm looking for a list of questions that need answering as well as what kinds of pictures that should be taken. Please either post the questions here, or email them to me - nightwynd@gmail.com

Thanks!
nightwynd.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 15, 2006, 07:57:31 PM
Hi Darrel,
Have a look at this:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Andy_Gravity-Magnet_Motor

Maybe we can get Ken Hegemann
to rebuild your motor,
cause he already has the parts for the Andy Gravity motor...

The difference is not too much.

You are using the base-case-stand of the motor to let the weights roll
to the outer spokes end from 12 to 2 o?Clock which seems
to be better than the Andy motor
and probably you also let the weights roll on the stand from 6 to 8 o?clock to get nearer to the axis,
so you have a see-saw, which is always heavier on the right side...
and the wheel turns clockwise.

Maybe Ken Hegemann can try to replicate your design and verify your claims.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nightwynd on July 15, 2006, 08:39:17 PM
Didn't they completely disprove the viability of the Andy Motor? The mathematics are all there that disprove the claims....

Thanks for the info there Stefan, I'll see if I can come up with some good material for everyone :)
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 15, 2006, 08:57:19 PM
Yes, the Andy motor does not work, but when you look
at the video Darrel posted, his design is different as the case-stand is
moving the weights from 12 to 2 o clock and to the outer end of the spokes...
That is a completely different force setup.
I can already image how Darrel?s machine works,
although he did not yet send me more infos.
Have to first finalize the NDA with him...

I guess Darrel?s design is very simular in function
to the real Bessler wheel, cause there also probably the
case-housing-stand of the motor has been shifting the weights.
Otherwise it would not have been possible for Bessler
to hide the inner workings with a closed surface wheel ! Think about it !

There also the inner stand case must have shifted the weights
also Besser just only used 8 weights and used springs
and Darrel says that his design only works with at least 12 spokes,
okay, he does not use any springs bust just a see-saw design,
so he is just using a bigger torque arm on the right side to pull weights up
at the left side....

As Darrel is living on 200 Ca$ a month only he really is looking for some
help for all the years he has worked on it and it might be good for him
to apply for a prize money, maybe from Randi or Eric Krieg...
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nightwynd on July 15, 2006, 11:11:44 PM
Is there a website or someplace where I could check out the details of the prizes and what the requirements are for them? I'll be sure to make sure that the device meets them if I am able...
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 16, 2006, 02:22:50 AM
Here they have 100 Milliom in prize money:
http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?dist=newsfinder&guid=%7B4D040A7E-BD16-4866-88A5-D14AE3A091D7%7D


and here is Eric Krieg?s 10.000 US$ challenge:

http://www.phact.org/e/freetest.html
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: JackH on July 16, 2006, 04:32:20 AM
Hello hartiberlin,

Looks to me like that 1 million is for hydrogen research & development.   The $10,000 that Eric Krieg is willing to give away is almost impossable for a small time inventer.   Did you read his requirments(1.5kW or 15-100 watt light bulbs).  You would need alot of money to build a machine as big as he wants.

Later,,,,JackH
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 17, 2006, 12:24:07 AM
I just had another conversation with Darrell via MSN messenger
and after signing the NDA
he showed me a few videos where one can see the principle of the wheel
and it is really a very interesting machine.
The next videos he will send me will show the machine running
for a few revolutions, so I would be sure, it is really working
from gravity alone.

So is here from this forum anybody living near Ontario Canada, who is schooled in physics and
go over to him and have a look at Darrell?s gravity wheel and sign an eye wittness report
and have it posted over here ?

@nightwynd,
when will you go there ?
Did you already make an appointment ?
Anybody else, who could go there and maybe help
Darrell finish his new bigger machine, which should run a generator ?

Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nightwynd on July 17, 2006, 04:16:58 PM
Was speaking with Darrell again last night...the more I talk to him, the more excited I get about the whole thing. I'm hoping that I can book a day off of work sometime soon so I can make the trip. Probably happen sometime in the next couple of weeks...
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 17, 2006, 09:16:03 PM
Hi Nightwynd,
how far do you live away from Ontario ?

If it is only a few miles away, drive as soon as you can, maybe at a weekend.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 18, 2006, 05:22:54 AM
Hi All,
I am just posting here a snapshot photo of a movie Darrell did send to me
of his older running 6 foot diameter machine.
Cause I signed NDA I can not post the movie, but at least you have an
idea how big his machine is and I believe, from what I have seen so far,
that his machine works and is a real gravity powered wheel which converts
gravity into mechanical energy.
Probably he is the new Bessler of the 21 st century.
So I urge everybody to have a look at it.

Darrell is seeking people in his area, who could help him develop his
new bigger 8 foot machine to get a generator connected and run an electrical load
with it.
Please contact him, if you are able to help.
Many thanks. Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 18, 2006, 05:38:18 AM
Here is another better picture of Darrell?s new machine
the 8 Foot diameter machine.
This is a new prototype with much more power output.
He needs local people to help it get finished, so please
email him !
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: Loster on July 18, 2006, 08:04:34 AM

Well, I live in quebec and I am interested in his prototype .. If you could send me his email I will try to get in contact . .
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 18, 2006, 08:33:19 AM
His email Adress is:
VANDUGEGS@YAHOO.CA
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: racer270 on July 18, 2006, 09:03:52 AM
darrel,
you sent out the same picture 1 and a half years ago at  besslerswheel.com
next he will show a video from a tv, were the "VCR" is plawing back words, and then he "re tapes the vido, so it looks like the wheel is picking up speed.......!  look for the 60 cycle flicker, in the video.....!
the guy is a FRAUD.....!

 AND AS FARE AS COMPUTERS GO , HE TALKED A MEMBER OF  besslerswheel.com out of a bunch of money , a computer digetal camera, scanner.....ect......!
\

ps. if you wont to see a picture of darrel, just go to besslerswheel.com , and look under "FRAUD"....LOL
PPS. DAREL, PETE STILL WONTS HIS $10,000.00 BACK.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: racer270 on July 18, 2006, 09:36:00 AM
I just had a longer talk with Darrel , who was very nice on MSN Messenger
and I signed an NDA, so he will show me the machine.

Maybe someone in Canada can do the same and visit him and
help him setup a marketing plan for the machine.
He has worked many years on it and he does not want to
give it away for free, which is understandable....

What would be the best plan, so he could make some
good money out of it and still get it out to the public ?

YA LIKE THE THE CANADAIN MOUNTED  POLICE......!!!!!!!

DARREL IS A FRAUD.....!!!!!!!

PS. DARREL TIME TO RUN OFF AND HIDE AGAIN.....!!!  YOUR .... BUSTED....!!!!!

DONT GIVE THIS FOOL ANY MONEY.....!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 18, 2006, 09:53:45 AM
Racer, who are you ?
How old are you ??

Please post the name of the person and his address, who has lost 10.000 US$ ?
Please don?t hide behind your  anonymous email address


Please let us know more.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 18, 2006, 09:57:27 AM
Hi Racer,
I don?t know, what you have seen, but on the video I have seen from
the 6th of January 2003 he is standing at the wheel and selfstarts it
and the wheel accelerates and gets faster !
If he would have played it backwards, he also would have
moved backwards himself and that is NOT the case..
Also the function principle is pretty clear to me and I always
thought, that this is the principle Bessler must have used.

I have seen quite a bit of evidence now from all the videos
Mr. Vandusen did send me and I don?t hide behind
an anonymous email address.
Sorry, that I can not post the videos, but I have signed an NDA.

Regards. Stefan Hartmann.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: sevich on July 18, 2006, 10:20:35 AM
Hi all,

Hey darrel, seems you have nowhere else to hide ?

Chased out of every town !  ....I wonder why ?

Why do you continue doing it ?

Is there no God in your life ?

Make a firm decision today and change for the better !

Life is short !

You can't take material possessions with you when you die but you will take with you (who and what you are) !




PS..................Great site hartiberlin .....I like it, very nice!!


Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 18, 2006, 11:35:19 AM
Hey, we only have accusations over here with no real background infos !
Please stop this !
I still think Darrel has an amazing wheel !
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: sevich on July 18, 2006, 02:47:33 PM
hartiberlin....

Here's the proof that Darrell has fraudulanty taken $10,000 from Clarkie (Pete) and then had the nerve to request $1,000 more!

Includes Darrell's picture! ........not that anyone would want to see it ?

Enjoy


http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7771&high=#7771

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=692&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=692&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=692postdays=o&postorder=asc&start=75
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: c0mster on July 18, 2006, 04:08:31 PM
And the plot thickens. If I every get a free energy device actually working I sure as heck would not be asking for money, why would I need money, I have free energy and could live anywhere in the world and be self supporting. Videos and pictures can be deceiving especially these days.     

Camster
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: bluedemon on July 18, 2006, 04:33:56 PM
Benjamin Franklin believed that "As we benefit from the inventions of others, we should be glad to share our own...freely and gladly."
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nightwynd on July 18, 2006, 04:40:37 PM
Gentlemen, please. I read through that entire forum, and NOWHERE did I see any "proof". I have spoken with Darrell directly, and probably shown him more honest internest than anyone in quite some time. Did he ask for ANY financial assistance? no. He did however offer to help me build if I lived closer. The baseless attacks which you have levelled at Darrell I find personally affronting. This person that supposedly invested in Darrell's dream gave NO PROOF that he gave anyone anything at all...I might as well say that I gave Stefan (board moderator) $10k, and that he is a fraud...that is ALL the information you guys have to go on...NOTHING else.

My appologies for using you as an example there Stefan - nothing personal. And to answer an earlier question - I'm about a 5-6 hour drive away from Darrell, so I'm hoping I can go up sooner than later. I've got a bunch of work that needs to be done on my house though that are delaying me a bit.

P.S. Is there anything that you can do about removing slanderous and misleading posts?
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: racer270 on July 18, 2006, 04:52:42 PM
I had to become a member of your forum to view the pictures pictures are nothing new they been out for many years....!
the video is nothing new ....!
darrell has asked  me ,"if I knew of away to fake a video".....!
I've talked to them on the phone several times he still attempts to talk to me and other members of the other forum..
the the I just posted a more in-depth post asking you to remove my e-mail,I never gave you permission to post my e-mail address publicly.......

why did you remove my last post.....?
please remove me as a member of this forum,I will not associate with someone like you that censors or removes posts.....!

why did you violates the terms of use of his own forum.....!

and why did you feel it to be a necessity to post my e-mail address.....?

and go ahead send money to Darryl you deserve to lose it....!
you have been a member of bestseller's wheel.com for quite a while and don't tell me you have never seen the fraud warning about Darryl........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'm not a kid i am49 years old,and you quite honestly know nothing about physics if you believe that contraption works.....!
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nightwynd on July 18, 2006, 05:00:58 PM
Truly sad racer....why are you trying so hard to discredit someone that might just have the real deal...even if it is close and not quite where you want it to be...why are you trying SO HARD? For all we know you have a vested interest in NOT seeing a gravity wheel come to fruition...are you associated with some kind of slam operation?

Please belive me - we on this forum are dedicated to finding out the truth, and not one of the regular members that I have read would ever stoop to the childish level that you people have. If the wheel turns out not to work - we will find out, and we will have concrete proof. Not childish accusations that are totally meaningless.

@Stephan. I'm with racer - remove him and all of his posts - they are not helpful at all to the dream.

Sincerely - nightwynd.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: racer270 on July 18, 2006, 05:15:06 PM
please,
 go ahead and remove me as a member ,I just came here to give you fare warning about Darryl.....
go find out why he was banned from bestsellerswheel.com
 and lern it the hard way......!
you are quite na?ve if you believe anything about Darryl's contraption...!


Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:48 PM
Subject: Two Years.
Gordy,
This is the sort of shit I'm still receiving.
 
I just want to make him go away.
 
He can keep the computer, digital camera and scanner/copier if he would just fade away.
 
Pete.
 
HELLO----- Pete,
 
Does time fly, or what.
I just thought I would touch base and ask how you are doing?
I have not heard from anyone for some time now, so I thought I would ask you if their is anything new with yourself OR the Gravity Machines?
I have been talking with Judd recentlly, over the messenger service, it sure saves the cost of the old phones. I talked with Judd for about two hours, it is nice to keep in touch.
I also had a phone conversation with Jim. I sure wish he could understand my machine, for I think he would be  invaluable for many reasons.
I continue to tell Bob, the person reduplicating the machine, that it is  potentially as good as sold, when it doe's the start  up and turns contentiously along with a load of output.
He is taking forever to get it completely finished. I have to help him so it at lest, moves forward.
Let me know if you are still on board or not?
I would like to know if you would be interested in a conversation over the messenger service, such as MSN?
 
Try to keep in touch, if you would.
Thanks for time!
 
Darrell



Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: c0mster on July 18, 2006, 05:26:28 PM
Would it be right to filter out skeptics? Are we not to take what we read here with a grain of salt. If I hear of anyone who has succeeded in OU and is close to me I would try my best to view the said invention before I said anything. Perhaps the negative posts should remain. That way if the invention is working then all can see both the skeptics views and the believers. BTW I am not adding to discredit anyone. As Quoted:

Benjamin Franklin believed that "As we benefit from the inventions of others, we should be glad to share our own...freely and gladly."

Camster
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
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Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jul, 2006    Post subject: Vandusen Bessler wheel replication    Reply with quote View IP address of poster
I have signed NDA with Mr.Vandusen and I have seen his
videos and also the selfstarting of his 6 foot wheel
and it is really amazing !
I think he has really replicated the Bessler wheel and this
is really running from gravity alone ! Amazing !
Check out:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1230.msg10095.html#msg10095
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
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NOW YOU KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY........!!!!!!!!
BY :-*
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nightwynd on July 18, 2006, 06:03:06 PM
@ Camster - I have no problems with negative statements or arguments against a particular machine. What I don't agree with is groundless and baseless arguments. I can call anyone a fraud - but what does it prove? If I have no concrete proof of fraudlent claims or arguments why would I even try?

@racer - why are you now calling Stephan a fraud? Because he's been a part of another forum? It's the internet man! Anyone can be a member of a forum...this is not fraudlent - it's called INTEREST. It is becoming clear that your interest is to discredit people - my question is why?

Lets stop the flame wars - if there is proof that the wheel doesn't work - let's prove it. Logically and friendly like - throwing accusations around accomplishes nothing.

Sincerely - nightwynd.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 18, 2006, 06:23:22 PM
I had to become a member of your forum to view the pictures pictures are nothing new they been out for many years....!
the video is nothing new ....!
darrell has asked  me ,"if I knew of away to fake a video".....!
I've talked to them on the phone several times he still attempts to talk to me and other members of the other forum..
the the I just posted a more in-depth post asking you to remove my e-mail,I never gave you permission to post my e-mail address publicly.......

why did you remove my last post.....?
please remove me as a member of this forum,I will not associate with someone like you that censors or removes posts.....!

why did you violates the terms of use of his own forum.....!

and why did you feel it to be a necessity to post my e-mail address.....?

and go ahead send money to Darryl you deserve to lose it....!
you have been a member of bestseller's wheel.com for quite a while and don't tell me you have never seen the fraud warning about Darryl........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'm not a kid i am49 years old,and you quite honestly know nothing about physics if you believe that contraption works.....!


Racer:
1. I did not remove any posting from you over here.

2. I removed your email address again, but you still hide behind your anonymity !

3. Darrel never asked me for money !

4.The guy with the username Clarkie  (Pete) on the besslerwheel.com forum did not cry,
when he lost 10.000 US$
and he also never posted the real sub-conditions, that was setup between him and Darrell,
the only guys that cried
are you and a few other guys from the besslerwheel forum.Why ? You were never involved...??

Here are the postings by this guy Clarkie ( Pete) from the besslerwheel.com forum all in a row.


Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:22 am    Post subject: re: First prototype made   

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To all,
I have also signed an NDA and given Darrell $10,000 to prove to me his wheel works, I'm still waiting.

Pete.



Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 10:50 am    Post subject: re: First prototype made   

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I did as I believed Darrell was genuine.

The money was in monthly installments plus exceptionals such as a computer, digital camera and a new shed to house the new wheel that he decided to build at my cost.

Originally he was only going to clean up the existing wheel so we could show it to investors but he got carried away and built a new one that didn't work.

Thats life, I stopped paying him in July after he said "just another $1000 will see it through".

He gave up his job in March after I met him in Toronto as he was convinced it would only take 3 weeks to clean it up but after 4 months and a lot of money I still had nothing but promisess and I did not want a grown man dependant on me so I stopped paying.

Pete.

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 5:52 pm    Post subject: re: First prototype made   

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Proof is simple, self start plus two rotations.

I have now gone back to my ideas which include springs, I will continue to invest in me and not others.

Pete.

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 6:24 pm    Post subject: re: First prototype made   

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I think you will find that a push was only required for a wheel that rotated in either direction.

I am not going to change my version of proof, its simple and relative.

Pete.

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 4:02 pm    Post subject: re: First prototype made   

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John,
Happy New Year to you.

Oh what a can of worms this has turned out to be, I hope nobody else has suffered financially.

My only problem is the crap I got from Deb, cost me a big Christmas present, lots of diamonds.

Oh well, we live and learn.

Pete.

Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: racer270 on July 18, 2006, 06:28:23 PM
HE HAS SEEN THE FRAUD WORNING ABOUT DARRELL FOR YEARS......!!!!

AND IS NOW DOING WHAT,??????? WITH IT.....BLOWING SMOKE UP YOUR A$$ ABOUT IT......LOL

P-L-E-E-S-E.......
 HE UESES HIS ADMAN STATICE TO POST MY E-MAIL ADDRESS, AND DELITES THE POST MADE BY ME THAT HE DOESENT LIKE,.....THINK ABOUT IT....!!!1

 WHY HAS HE BEEN A MEMBER @ BESSLER.COM SENCE 2003 AND NOT SEEN THE " FRAUD LISTING" , ABOUT DARRELL........LOL....

DREAMS ARE ONE THING,  we have almost 400 members , we self police are forum, i think you need to do the same....!
 :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'(
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 18, 2006, 06:35:28 PM
Gentlemen, please. I read through that entire forum, and NOWHERE did I see any "proof". I have spoken with Darrell directly, and probably shown him more honest internest than anyone in quite some time. Did he ask for ANY financial assistance? no. He did however offer to help me build if I lived closer. The baseless attacks which you have levelled at Darrell I find personally affronting. This person that supposedly invested in Darrell's dream gave NO PROOF that he gave anyone anything at all

Hi Nightwynd,
that is right.
It is also my experience with Darrell and I will not delete any  postings over here
as otherwise I would be called a censor.
Racer270 can just unsubscribe himself from the forum if he wishes to do so.

Well I guess it is time you will visit Darrell and see his wheel and
give us a first hand eye witness report...

Darrell has invested 25 years for this wheel and he just doesn?t want to give it away
by showing too much in the posted videos. I have seen some quite remarkable videos
already, cause I have signed NDA, but it would be good to have an eye witness go there.
Many thanks.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: c0mster on July 18, 2006, 06:38:38 PM
I am looking forward to the outcome of Nightwynd's visit.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 18, 2006, 06:41:39 PM
HE HAS SEEN THE FRAUD WORNING ABOUT DARRELL FOR YEARS......!!!!

AND IS NOW DOING WHAT,??????? WITH IT.....BLOWING SMOKE UP YOUR A$$ ABOUT IT......LOL

P-L-E-E-S-E.......
 HE UESES HIS ADMAN STATICE TO POST MY E-MAIL ADDRESS, AND DELITES THE POST MADE BY ME THAT HE DOESENT LIKE,.....THINK ABOUT IT....!!!1

 WHY HAS HE BEEN A MEMBER @ BESSLER.COM SENCE 2003 AND NOT SEEN THE " FRAUD LISTING" , ABOUT DARRELL........LOL....

DREAMS ARE ONE THING,  we have almost 400 members , we self police are forum, i think you need to do the same....!
 :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'(

racer270,
you are accusing again
and I did not delete any of your post and I also will not delete any of your future
postings...,so if you think one posting is missing, just repost it .

I haven?t had visited the Besslerforum for quite some time in the past and was not aware
of the Fraud board there, but as I see it, only the other people put the Vandusen topic there
after Clarkie said, he had lost 10.000 US$ but seemed not to cry and he also nevermade the
whole sub-conditions public.
At least what he posted was the FACT, that Mr. Vandusen build from the money Clarkie ( Pete) gave him
the 8 foot machine !

So it seems this money was well spend and the 8 foot machine
looks quite nice.

The problem Darrell is still having is , that because of the length of the spokes and the
huge weights on them , they are a bit shaking, when going through the lock and
unlock mechanism and the wheel is thus is bit unstable,
which he wants to fix in the next days.

But he claims, that his 6 Foot machine is running and the videos
I have seen suggest that also !


Please let us concentrate now again on the technical side of things
over here again.
I hope Jim Mich can forward me the WM2D calculations he did on the Vandusen
wheel, so I can have a closer look at it.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 18, 2006, 07:07:07 PM
Also this way posted on the Besslerwheel forum by user coylo



Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 4:38 pm    Post subject: re: First prototype made   

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I cannot whole-heartedly brand Darrell a fraud, there are a few questions remaining to be answered.
First of all in my e-mail exhange with Darrell, not once did he ask for money nor was there the slightest hint at such. He was just looking for advice.
Quote:
Originally he was only going to clean up the existing wheel so we could show it to investors but he got carried away and built a new one that didn't work.

With regards to Pete's situation, you could look at it from the perspective that Pete made an investment, and like any other business investment it involves great risk. Getting involved in some kind of business partnership with Darrell could of been financially rewarding, or the latter could happen in which case it did....or did it?........so.......

Questions for Darrell Vandusen Sr:

Are you going to honour Pete's investment and finish his machine that he payed for?
or...
Are you going to reimburse Pete his money because so far you have simply not honoured your side of the agreement?
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: racer270 on July 18, 2006, 07:19:54 PM
Lets stop the flame wars - if there is proof that the wheel doesn't work - let's prove it. Logically and friendly like - throwing accusations around accomplishes nothing.

well we did, and you should too........the "red flag "......is he ran this same scam at bess.com
almost 1 and 1/2 years ago,...!

i have seen the 8 foot wheel video,the bent arms ....ect.
i did a (nda) like you did, but it is meaninless , because it is a fraud...!
the truth is I have the equipment to analyze his videos,and I did it in a frame by frame analysis over a year and a half ago.
please someone go and looked at his contraption firsthand then report the BS back to your members...!
just keep a tight grip on your pocketbook...!

ps.not only did you post my e-mail address here .....you also postedit@bestler.com....why...?
if you wanted my e-mail address why did you not just at ask....?
what was the point,....?

as far as you have not visited bessler.com inquire a while,that's BS....anyone can go to the site and find all your posts the dates they were posted and make their own conclusions.

frankly I wish you would unsubscribe me from your forum,I would do it myself if it was clear how to do so.

I only came to your form to give you a heads up,.....nothing more...!
Darryl comes off very polite over the phone,he has had my home phone number for two years....he even uses a fake accent from time to time.
....oooo don't you know........have you heard that yet...?

you did remove my e-mail address from this form , what gave you the right to post it in the first place.?
and why did you post it at besslerswheel.com ....?

I am surely not hiding behind a anonymous e-mail address,.....your forum gave me the option not to show it...!
but you chose to use your administrative privilege to show it not only here but at other forums why...?
what was the point....?
it really doesn't matter to me......what your motivation is,and most of the members at besslers.com have had my personal e-mail address for years....!
I find it hard to believe that you would come to bessler.com and pronounce Darryl's contraption as viable...

you go right ahead and defend them to your last dollar......just remember I told you so....!

once again remove me as a member of this forum,I did not come here to insult anyone except Darryl is a scam stir a fraud and I think y'all need to find that out for yourselves best of luck..
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on July 18, 2006, 07:34:56 PM
Now you all know why the first thing I did, was tell everybody that I was on another forum and could be found in the fraud section.
You are all welcome to make up your own minds.
I woundered how long it would take for what I concider, slander, to arrive from the same individual(s) of the other forum.
I would like nothing more, then to reply to a certain person. I will not, for I do not know that game.

Darrell Vandusen Sr
Ontario, Canada
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nightwynd on July 18, 2006, 07:49:19 PM
Personally speaking, I am entering into this with reserved enthusiasm. I sincerely hope that it works. But untill we see concrete proof one way or another, I refuse to believe that it will not work. I have discussed my position with Darrell and he agrees that this is the best way to approach anything like this. I am hoping to get the proof that we need soon. I'm just hoping that when it works, people like racer aren't going to accuse ME of being a fraud too :P
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: TheOne on July 18, 2006, 08:46:12 PM
well this thread begin because some say the wheel was working but unfotinitly the wheel never work at all

you cannot say a wheel worked if the wheel only turned like few degree LOL
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nightwynd on July 18, 2006, 08:52:51 PM
I'm not sure which videos you have seen, but the ones Stefan and I have seen (NDA) - the wheel turned considerably more than a couple of degrees...and under its own power i might add.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nightwynd on July 18, 2006, 09:29:50 PM
Just as an interesting note - this is now the longest thread on the gravity wheel forum :)
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 18, 2006, 09:42:42 PM
Lets stop the flame wars - if there is proof that the wheel doesn't work - let's prove it. Logically and friendly like - throwing accusations around accomplishes nothing.

once again remove me as a member of this forum....


You can do it yourself if you wish so,
go to:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile
and click at the left side very down there
Delete this account.

Maybe you want to tell us still before, how you were exactly involved with Darrell
and if you have seen the wheel in person.
Do you yourself also design wheels and work on one ?

Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 18, 2006, 09:45:50 PM
I'm not sure which videos you have seen, but the ones Stefan and I have seen (NDA) - the wheel turned considerably more than a couple of degrees...and under its own power i might add.

That is right, I hope you have time to go at the next weekend to Darrell?s place and
see the wheel. We are already very curious, what you will report.
Many thanks.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 18, 2006, 11:23:40 PM
Hi racer270 , yes, Darrell used a probably a chipcamcorder to film the machine
from his TV set, which he previously recorded onto VHS type.
That is where the flicker comes from.
What did you analyze further ?
Can you send a video where you think he recorded it backwards ?

But in my video I have, you can see him going by the machine ,
releasing it and it starts by itsself and  begins to accelerate and you
can see it for about 60 degrees turn, so 2 reset-lock-unlock
conditions done and it accelerates !
ALso this is not filmed backwards, otherwise one would see him
go backwards, cause he is going around the machine .

I don?t know, what you have for a problem and if it is true,
that he asked you, how a movie can be faked and
you also have not seen the machine personally.

And I was never asked for money, only I offered help
to make this thing globally known, if it really works...

Darrell said, that he had some problems in communicating with you
and so he quit the conversation with you, so maybe you are just
frustrated, that you don?t get any updates anymore ?

Anyway, let us just stop the flamewar and have someone
visit Darrell and report first hand wittness of the wheel
over here... Is nobody living near Ontario from over here ?

Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: TheOne on July 18, 2006, 11:53:05 PM
i can create a wheel, and make it turn 180 degree without problem, take your bicycle wheel and attach a rock on it, you will see the wheel will turn until the rock is at the bottom

lol :)
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: racer 270 on July 19, 2006, 12:14:58 AM
hi stefan,
 you have my e-mail address if you would like to send me a short e-mail I would gladly disclose to you everything I know about Darryl.

what he is attempting to do is to get  a(nda)agreement from anyone he thinks has any potential,he sent me one of the forms,....read it again and see if you find thing,that are very one sided....!
what he is attempting to do is locked up any and all shared intellectual properties with who ever he can get to sign his document.

as far as myself ,I have attempted several models from gravity wheels to magnetic motors....
it was not my intent to rub anyone wrong way,my presence at your forum was just to give you all the heads up about Darryl.
I have a few working models in script files that don't work,but I don't know of anyone that does have one that actually works.
I have been at it for a little more than three years,I'm not familiar with your board and I don't know if I can successfully post any of my ideas to share with you all.but I'm willing to give it a try

as far as Darryl I have talked to him many times on the telephone he has my home phone number,he still occasionally attempts to engage me in communication via Yahoo messenger....

if you contact Jim,......from besslers wheel.com.....he can send you a few files of ideas we have collaborated on over the last few years.
Jim is a standup guy and ill tell you exactly how it is.

I just want to reemphasize the Daryl has proven himself to be a liar and a conman.....!
when I found out you had been a member of the other form since 2003,I found it hard to believe that you were not aware of the situation that took place regarding Darryl.
I did not mean to personally attack you,and for that I apologize.
I probably did not make a good first impression,with you or the other members of this forum,for that I also apologize.

but you have to keep in mind I have dealt with Darryl firsthand had seen his pictures and videos,I have done my own frame by frame analysis of his videos,and I was not joking about Darryl asking me "how to fake a video",but I swear to you he did ask me  that over the telephone.

I never thought that Darryl would surface with this nonsense again,so I was shocked and alarmed to see the old boy back at his old tricks.
and that's why I came here,joined your forum,and sounded the alarm.....

the field of p.m. research is difficult enough of an endeavor without the likes of scammers hucksters and con man....
Darryl will not only try to suck you in to his delusion,and con job......but eventually he will try to finesse money from someone....

has he asked me for money yes he has.....!
has he lied to me,yes he has.!
did he try to run exactly the same game on you that he tried to do to the members of the other forum.....absolutely.....!!!

by all means send someone to his home or where ever he has this contraption and witness the and report back to this forum on the findings..!

you will find without a doubt that Darryl is either a self deluded full,or a con man that is attempting to run the same scam that he pulled off just a year and a half ago.

Pete,the man they got scammed flew in from England to see Darryl's wheel,.....Derrell coned peaked to the tune of $10,000 approximately 2 years ago,the computer the digital camera and video camera,the shed and everything else you see in the pictures was bought with Pete's money...

when Pete showed up at Derrell's sister's home,to view his wheel it did not work,Darryl's excuse to Pete was because the air temperature was below freezing was probably the reason the wheel did not work,Pete is a business owner who lives in England,Pete has also told me and other members of besslers wheel,that he would back financially anything that could be positively demonstrated to him as being viable...!
and of course no one to my knowledge has approached pete with a working design.

in this endeavor of p.m. research you will find people from all walks of life,some good as gold ,....and some worthless.....!
I try not to associate with any of the latter.......and Derrell is definitely the latter....!

may be I should have made my warning a bit more palatable........but it's too late for that now....I can't unring the bell....

so just be cautious.
thank you Gordon

Darryl took advantage of Mr. Clarke......hands-down.no ifs ands or buts..........
 

well the attachment worked, i wish the idea did.....lol
Title: Feature Page for Darrell Vandusen's Gravity Motor
Post by: sterlinga on July 19, 2006, 02:55:57 AM
I've not reviewed all of the posts in this thread, but based on what I've seen so far up to http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1230.msg10058.html#msg10058 here is a feature page I've started:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Darrell_Vandusen's_Gravity_Motor (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Darrell_Vandusen's_Gravity_Motor)

Darrell Vandusen's Gravity Motor - Ontario man has built a machine that he believes will harness gravity to provide output energy. Photos posted; video available under NDA, shows rotation. (PESWiki; July 18, 2006)
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: TheOne on July 19, 2006, 03:14:30 AM
welcome sterling on this forum
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: sevich on July 19, 2006, 03:54:46 AM
Hey Stefan..

Since you live in Germany, why don't you go and pay your mate Georg Kunstler a visit at Boehliggelheim ?

I remember on besslerwheel.com forum you were very upset with Georg for not providing a video (some proof) that his gravity wheel works.............at one point you were so angry with georg that you wrote a whole post to him in German language (swear words included?...I'm not sure? ....because I don't read German!)  LOL...

My experience with him will remain in the sour category.

Have you made any attempt to meet him (invesigate his wheel) since your last outburst ?? ....and if not why not??

Why chase around for Darrell's? from the other side of the world when you have a mystery up the road from your house?


Please share.


anton

Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on July 19, 2006, 04:01:17 AM
A Question for all members of this forum.

I know Stefan now seems to understand the concept of the 30 degree reset.
The reset is ofcourse every 30 degrees, within a rotation, on a 12 spoke machine.

Does anyone else understand, what the resetting of this machine, every 30 degrees, meens and its importance?

Thanks for your time.

Darrell
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 19, 2006, 04:59:33 AM
Gordy,
Darrell didn?t send me an NDA form.
I just did the NDA myself, cause he had none.
He never asked me for money.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 19, 2006, 05:03:51 AM
Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:32 am    Post subject: Re: re: Vandusen Bessler wheel replication   

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Quote
ovyyus wrote:

Yes, I have the self-starting video where he walks up to the wheel, positions it, lets it go and it turns for less than 1/4 rotation. The full video is 000_0235.mov at 12,525 KB. You probably have a section of that.

Why does the wheel only turn about 1/4 rotation from that specific position? Because it is made top heavy in that specific position. Why doesn't Vandusen show at least one full rotation? Because the top heavy wheel will only accelerate for about 1/4 rotation from that specific position before it begins to slow and stop. Vandusen points to the fact that it makes 2 x 30 deg cycles knowing full well that that is only the case because he has made it top heavy in that position. Why? In order to create the impression that his wheel actually works when in fact it does not - so he can scam people for money.


Okay, I also got now this video.
Well, it is now totally clear what I am seeing.
Watch the weights and spoke?s ends !
The unlock system at 12 o ?clock is not working properly.
Thus in this video he first has to fix it at 2 o?clock, so that the wheel
can self starts. He must push it back to the right position.
That is at about 30 seconds in the videoclip and then the wheel
actually accelerates !
You see then, that the whole
torquearm of the right side is heavier than the whole left side !

Now then the wheels turns and accelerates and
just about before the end
at second 53 to 54 you see a weight again at around 1 to 3 pm
again not having resetted and unlocked and is not in the outer position,
so at this position it is loosing the heavier torquearm,
cause the upper pushout mechanism has failed for this weight.

This is why it slows a bit down in this special video 54 second long video...

Now as I have seen this video this even tells me even more, that this
thing works !


Quote
Michael wrote:

Stefan, you say the principle is valid. Please explain what the principle is so I and others can check the physics.
Thanks,
Michael

You always have 6 weights at the right side of the wheel 3 inches
more far away from the axis than on the left side.
That means enough torque to reset ( lock and unlock)
only 2 weights every 30 degrees by 1.5 inches.
And if you do it with springs you store the energy in one
place and get it for free in the other place so you have to spend
the energy only to unlock and shift one weight at a time ,
so you just need only to push in the weight at 6 to 7 o ?clock and
get the unlock at 12 o ?clock for free there if you use springs.

Then you only have to overcome the lift of one weight and the spring
compression at 6-7 o?clock via the heavier torquearm of the right side of the wheel.
This is why Darrell says there is at least a 12 spoke machine needed to do it,
otherwise the torque is not enough to lift the weight !


Hope this helps.
 
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nightwynd on July 19, 2006, 03:06:58 PM
lol, I think that pretty much explains the 30 degree reset principal for everyone :)
Title: Plans for Validation of Darrell Vandusen Gravity Motor
Post by: sterlinga on July 19, 2006, 05:35:39 PM
Hi Darrell,

Please contact me privately to arrange the details for someone to come visit you to validate your claim to an operational Gravity Motor.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/about/personnel/SterlingDAllan/

Office phone: 801-407-1292
email: sterlingda@pureenergysystems.com

Our editor for PES Network, Inc. lives not far from you and said she would be glad to go inspect your device for us.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/about/personnel/Mary-SueHaliburton/

First, before we make those arrangements, I want to be clear on what it is the witness will see when they visit you. 

To be "valid" the device needs to fit the following criteria:
1) Rotate a full 360 degrees
2) The speed being faster after one full rotation.

If you don't have that, then you do not have a functioning prototype that proves the concept of harnessing the force of gravity.

Partial rotation is not adequate to prove the point, because it can be caused by regional imbalance in the wheel.

Sincerely,

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Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nightwynd on July 19, 2006, 05:52:57 PM
It would probably be better for you guys to do the eye witness account - you have more credibility than I do :)
Doesn't mean I don't want to see it for myself still however :D

I'm still trying to make time Darrell, I'll be in touch as soon as I can.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: mark australia on July 19, 2006, 05:57:18 PM
Dear Darrell,
I think Stirlings suggestion is an excellent Idea. Striling and the organisations he is with have a world wide reputation of being strong supporters of inventors and free energy. I have had a few talks with you, which I have enjoyed. (PS the NDD will be scanned and sent tommorrow..I lost the battle with my scanner will have it done soon).
I feel you would do your self a big favour in having it independently tested as proof of concept.
If this did take place, I am confident investors would be lining up at your door and you would be in the running for some prize money.
Mark
Title: No working prototype to see
Post by: sterlinga on July 19, 2006, 06:55:53 PM
Darrell,

Several people have been in touch with me, who have had extensive dealings with you in the past.

The conclusion I glean from them, which you are free to refute with the validation proposal I submitted earlier today, is as follows:

1) You do not presently have a functioning prototype.
2) You have never had a prototype that made a full rotation, with acceleration between rotations.

When you do achieve a functioning prototype, let us know, and we would be glad to come validate your claim.

I've updated the feature page to reflect this:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Darrell_Vandusen%27s_Gravity_Motor

| Sterling D. Allan
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| http://PESWiki.com
|
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|    regarding cutting edge energy technologies."
|
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|
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Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 19, 2006, 07:08:02 PM
Jim Mich wrote:
Quote
Darrell's wheel does not have springs pushing weights inward. The spring concept variation was conceived and posted by Stefan at overunity.com

Hi Jim,
this is right, Darrell?s machine seems to have only some springs
in his lock-unlock mechanism to help the fixing and unfixing
of the weights on the spokes, but the weights themself are not
spring supported to move more easily...

The spring idea is my own and I guess it would make the
machine more efficient or at least at all selfrunning,
as a weight, which has gone down in the gravity field
has LOST its potential energy and could not be pulled back without additional energy. But if you store the movement in a spring you
can then make the torquearm longer on one side ( heavier),
get the rotational energy  from this heavier torquearm and accelerate the wheel with it
and then pull the weight back via the spring
and thus save additional energy to move the weight.
Maybe Darrell?s spring based lock-unlock mechanism helps this a bit,
although he just uses some ramps to shift the weights,
although the ramps seems to be special designed to do it efficiently.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 19, 2006, 07:12:09 PM
Hi Sterling,
I agree, it is time for Darrell to come forward and present a running
machine to you or any other visitor, as there are too many
people telling negative things about Darrell.

If he really has a machine running, it is time to come forward
and present it, otherwise he will have missed his chance and most of the people
will only remember him of having faked the videos ??
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 19, 2006, 08:09:59 PM
P.S: If you try to rebuild such a machine or simular designs
at least have this music running,
maybe it will give you the right inspiration:

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Have a nice day !
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on July 19, 2006, 10:02:40 PM
Hi Sterling and All,
this is what I just received by Darrell.
I was myself under the impression , that he still had the working
6 foot machine.. I did not understand from my conversation with him,
that he has changed it now to a ,nonworking so far,  8 foot machine.

Best regards, Stefan Hartmann

----- Original Message -----
From: "DARRELL VANDUSEN" <vandugegs@yahoo.ca>
To: "Stefan Hartmann" <harti@harti.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:31 PM
Subject: Facts.


> Hello Stefan, you can forward this if you would, Thanks
>
>   Hello Mr Sterling,
>
>   In regard to your thoughts.
>
>   <Several people have been in touch with me, who have had extensive dealings with you in the past.>
>
>   I have dealt with only two people,  in person.
>
> <The conclusion I glean from them, which you are free to refute with the validation proposal I submitted earlier today, is as
follows:>
>
> <1) You do not presently have a functioning prototype.>
>
>   If I had the ability to rebuild, the six foot machine, I could show you a real life, hands on, working machine.
>   For now, you can make up your own mind, with what I have show en others. The video, with self start up.
>   When I took apart the six footer, I did so, so I could do just that. I could still put it back together again.
>   The six foot machine was changed into an eight foot machine, the one that has been posted.
>   This is now being replicated into what has now become a 9 foot 4 inch machine. This machine is still being worked on. It has
been about a year and a half now. The person doing the building seems to be taking way to long in his completion of this new
machine. The reason for this replication is so it will have a gen orator and tachometer hooked up to it in order to prove extra
power output and that the machine is not slowing down while under load.
>   Also that someone else can build it.
>
> <2) You have never had a prototype that made a full rotation, with acceleration between rotations.>
>
>   I have had a machine that starts and continues to rotate, the six foot machine. that is showen in the video clip.
>   The video, people that have signed an NDA, in order to see, shows enough for those that can understand what they are looking at.
>   While talking about NDA's in the last day, I have seen that people have obtained the video through other means and even through
a person that was suppose to delete all information that they received.
>
> <When you do achieve a functioning prototype, let us know, and we would be glad to come validate your claim.>
>   People can believe what they may, that is any-ones choice, maybe you should look at the video yourself, if you have not already
been given one.
> If you would like, I can bring you up to date with the facts and not hear say.
>   I use the MSN messenger, if you would like the facts and the evolution of the machines.
>   It would be nice to do a complete history of this machine, all 25 years.
>   Bits and pieces, does not do it or me justice.
>
>   Thanks for your time.
>
>   Darrell Vandusen Sr
>
Title: Explain "Continues to Rotate"
Post by: sterlinga on July 19, 2006, 10:53:36 PM
Darrell,

You say that the 6-foot machine "continued to rotate."

Please be more specific.

How many complete rotations would it make?  Was it increasing in speed with each rotation?

What I understand from those who have reported to me, is that your 6-foot device did not increase in speed between rotations.

Sterling
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nightwynd on July 20, 2006, 03:53:41 PM
From what I understand from both the videos and in speaking with Darrell, the 6-foot machine accelerated to roughly 40-50 RPM, then held steady at that speed.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on July 24, 2006, 06:55:33 PM
Six Foot Machines.

The wooden six foot machine only movied 30-35 degrees.
This wooden machine was only for testing and it proved the main fact, that a Gravity machine would work, with this design.

The six foot steel machine, proved much more, along with how to improve on it.

Darrell
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on September 18, 2006, 10:35:20 PM
Hello everone,  it has been awhlie.

This is a picture of my nine foot, four   inch machine.
I hope to have it completed before the new year. If not, I may just release it to the public and see and hope to, at the lest, get my investment back, along with something for my time and design.

Take care and thanks for your time.

Darrell Vandusen Sr..
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: jigar on October 12, 2006, 03:56:35 PM
Dear sir
Plz provide me all detail of your gravity machine. Imean how it works and how we can built it.May be I will suggest you or help you to built it.plz in your reply only attach file in jpg or pdf because I have no other software to open.
My email Id jig_patel_1982@yahoo.com
Right now I am doing one project on gravity engine. You can read it in Gravity powered wheel subject is <Increase efficiency of rotating shaft.> Post your opinion about my project what ever it may be.
Jigar Patel
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on November 22, 2006, 12:54:49 AM
Hello, future investor(s)? Or just the interested.

I have made some interesting changes, with regard to a new scaled down machine, regarding the scaling down of my six foot Gravity Machine. (Their is a need to scale up, then down, then adjust accordingly).
Years ago I did not think it possible but with some interesting spreed sheets that I have just completed, it would seem very likely that I can build a small machine,(Pete).
In the past, I have had conversations with people, regarding small machines and at that time I did not believe it would have any extra power. It is now odvious that a small machine will rotate,( or coast ) but without very much extra power.
My six foot machine had one weight, on one spoke, at the 45 degree location, this weight was not at it's best position, on it's own spoke. With the use of a torque spreed sheet I have arrived at a measurment of 8.5 inch/lbs, this made the difference between start up or not, having the weight on the end of it's own spoke or not.
I am now able to build a 28 inch, Gravity Machine, ( only for coasting ). Offcourse this machine uses it's own power, to run itself.
Out of 110 inch/lbs of torque, on the six foot machine, It only had an extra 8.5 inch/lbs at start up. As you know, it takes more to get something moving, then to keep it moving.

It will be 4 years on January 4 th, when I made my first video and I have never really done any serious searching for investors.
If you would like to get involved, let me know what you can do and we will start from their.

Darrell Vandusen Sr
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on November 22, 2006, 07:57:15 PM
Hi Darrel,
you still fail to deliver a conclusive video of a working machine. Maybe you should first present a working device video from your current machine, before you dream of any new one and try to fish new investors ???
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on November 22, 2006, 08:35:26 PM
Hello Stefan,

It is still good to hear from you.

(you still fail to deliver a conclusive video of a working machine. Maybe you should first present a working device video from your current machine, before you dream of any new one and try to fish new investors)

I do not go fishing, that is why I am still sitting as I was 4 years ago, brock, like most inventors.
After having something that worked, it is easy to scale up or down, something that is just a machine.
As far as saying I have failed to deliever a video, I would say I have made a choice not to hand over, what took more then 20 years to achive. I made a list of what not to do and I have seen that it works. I asked a person to delete all information and they did not. It turns out, that if I had sent a full video, it would be out and about, as we speak. I have, however, decided to show a limited video, so as to find a person that understands what they are looking at. (no insult intended, to anyone). When all is said and done, those that have had an opperatunity to see anything I have sent them, with regard to my Gravity machine, they will fully understand. The video is like a running machine, how much is enough, one hour of rotation, while under load?? What is enough for everyone??
It is my belief, that a Gravity machine should start itself, reach an RPM, be purpusely slowed down, then released to return to the oreginal RPM.

I believe I can build a machine as small as 28 inches. (A coaster)

What has anyone else done lately?

Darrell
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: FreeEnergy on November 22, 2006, 10:19:26 PM
"I have, however, decided to show a limited video, so as to find a person that understands what they are looking at. (no insult intended, to anyone)."

 ::) lol!

anyways good luck buddy.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on November 23, 2006, 12:09:47 AM
Hi Darrel, if you don?t want to show a video, why don?t you invite some people from this forum to come to your place and wittness the machine live to see under NDA and have them posted their impressions ? Sterling D. Allan wanted to send you one of his colleagues, but you also refused that...
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on November 23, 2006, 12:34:51 AM
Hi Stefan,

I do not recall refusing anyone from coming to see the machine.
Their would have had to be a very good reason for the visit.
The man at the garage has stopped working on the machine, so as to put his full time and energies into his own work. and the machine has again been tacken down.
I sit with pieces of two machines, some in Edmonton and some here.
The only thing I can do at this time, would be for us to find someone that has a background in mechanical engineering and has been agreed to, bye both of us and others that are interested in the results. The video and photo's, could be sent to this person, along with a time for a conference call, so an explaintion of what they are looking at, can be given. Preferrably this person is known and what they have to say will be tacken as fact. The question is, who. I will not keep sending this video to more and more people. The same goes for NDA's.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this matter?

Darrell
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on November 23, 2006, 12:57:58 AM
Hi Darrel,
so it seems you have no own place to work on the machine and
it is not built up right now ? right ?
Can?t you rent a garage or something like this and
built it up yourself ?
Maybe if you can find somebody locally at your place ( where are you living right
nowin which town ?) who can put this machine into his garage, if you don?t have the
money to rent one, you both can work on it.

It would help, that you could show a video, where the whole wheel
would have been shown making at least 2 or 3 complete revolutions on its
own, so one can see, that it is not faked and runs on its own
energy.
If you show this from a distance, one can also not see much,
how it really works... but you never supplied such a video
and thus it is hard to find somebody, who will still trus you.
As you did also receive quite some money from someone from the
besslerwheel.com forum and you did not show him aworking prototype,
he does not also trust you anymore and now your dilema is,
that you also have no space to build up the machine again...
So you better look out for your old videos and try
to find a convincing one, if the machine ever worked, as you claimed...
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: FreeEnergy on November 23, 2006, 02:02:00 AM
There is no reason not to Open Source this, you will get the full credit on this if that's what you are worried about. The Open Source community is huge and i'd say it is a solid ground from which you can have a solid foundation.


peace
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on November 23, 2006, 04:23:48 AM
Hi Stefan,

((so it seems you have no own place to work on the machine and
it is not built up right now ? right ?))
The only time I had my own place was 14 years ago, now I only have a table that I can work on. This is why I have looked into a smaller scaled down machine.

((Can?t you rent a garage or something like this and built it up yourself ?))
I am lucky to have a place to live. I have no money to rent anything else.

((Maybe if you can find somebody locally at your place ( where are you living right
nowin which town ?) who can put this machine into his garage, if you don?t have the
money to rent one, you both can work on it.))
I just tried that. He stopped after 1.5 years.

((As you did also receive quite some money from someone from the besslerwheel.com forum and you did not show him aworking prototype,))
Who says what was or was not shown.
Convincing someone, that the machine works, as claimed, is a matter of showing the correct information to a person that can understand that information and if they do not, then another explaination is needed, untill they do. Finding a person that can understand this machine and also have the funding to move it forward, would be hard to do. I have meet people that do understand the machine but they do not have the needed funding.
I have an offer on the table but I do not have the funds to arrive at their location and show them the how and whys of the machine. I believe that all I need to do is see them in person and everthing will work out.
It is a ------- shame, that for under 1,000.00 this could all be over in a mater of months.

Do you think I would travel to meet with someone if I did not have the information needed?

Regards, Darrell.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: slncspkr on November 23, 2006, 11:51:55 AM
so you just need $1,000?
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: sevich on November 23, 2006, 01:25:36 PM
VANDUGEGS,

I Just happen to have a spare five thousand bucks to invest in your "working wheel" .......YEAH RIGHT!!



Your debt to poore old Clarkie from "besslerwheel.com" sits at roughly $15.000 while you continue to ignore repayments.  (you're in default big time) ...LOL



HOW DARE YOU SEEK INVESTORS  ....you snake!



anton





Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on November 23, 2006, 07:48:06 PM
slncspkr,

I will explain, the reason for the amount of $1,000.00

When I took a plane to Toronto, I had everything tacken care of, plane fare, accomidations, taxi, everything, both ways. Except for the unexpeted. When I arrived at the hotel, they needed a deposit for the room, I had a bank  account and used some of the funds. I was lucky I was not empty handed. Pete said he would take care of everything and he did. Befoore I arrived back in Edmonton, everything was tacken care of as he said it would be.
If I did not have some of my own funds, then a problem may have happened.
The funds for the trip are for the unforceen, I do not want to arrive empty handed. The extra is for the unknowen, what ever is left can be returned.

Darrell

PS Maybe I should tell the story from 14 years ago?
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on November 24, 2006, 01:22:04 AM
Hi Darrel,
it seems from the conversation I have seen on Besslerwheel.com,
that you take money from other people and don?t show them anything for it
and use every excuse what you can find to prevent them seeing something...

I guess, if you really have something it is time to come forward publically
and show something real working...

Other inventors must also work for their living to finance their hobby to
build these devices, why do you just try to fool investors, so that you don?t need
to work and get financed without delivering proof of concept ?
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on November 24, 2006, 02:16:32 AM
Hi Stefan,

((it seems from the conversation I have seen on Besslerwheel.com,
that you take money from other people and don?t show them anything for it
and use every excuse what you can find to prevent them seeing something...))

When I read this, it sounds like I have dealt with alot of people. I have traveled to see only one person, I have showen that person enought for them to decide wether to continue or not. That one person made their own choice. I do not use excuses, I only show what I can. If what I show is not good enough or they cannot understand, then they should not get involved.

((I guess, if you really have something it is time to come forward publically
and show something real working...))

Like I have said, I will not toss away 25 years of work, only to prove to a few people, what I have and that is if they can even understand what they are looking at.

((Other inventors must also work for their living to finance their hobby to
build these devices, why do you just try to fool investors, so that you don?t need
to work and get financed without delivering proof of concept ?))

Like I said, I would not won't any funding from anyone who does not understand what they are doing.
I am not tring to fool anyone. They can sign an NDA and if I decide they can do something that will benifit the company, then I make the final decision.

Each person should make their own decisions, not only from what they read but from the facts..
 
Darrell
 
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: slncspkr on November 24, 2006, 08:47:39 AM
@darrell
 words are meaningless now these days.
if i had a working machine like the one you said you have or if i knew how to build it and i was sure is going to work. I look for a job and then make some money. and then start putting the machine together. and then i'd all my money back after showing it, because just by showing it with a scientific proof that the machine works you can make a lot more than $1,000.00.
sorry darrell but i do'nt think you have or know how to put a machine like that together, because in the first place if you knew how to put it together you would not need to call on engineers to build it for you.
jose.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on November 24, 2006, 07:06:32 PM
slncspkr,

(( words are meaningless now these days.))

Unfortunetly a hand shake is not enough and as you say, people, espeacially in this case, do not believe someone can build a Gravty machine. Pepole can not agree on what needs to be proven as to an operating machine. Maybe this should be agreed upon, first. I have already ststed what I belive it should be able to do.

People continue to say I do not have a machine. Their are many that have seen what I have been able to build, unfortunetly, some have no idea how it works and only a few understand most of it.

((sorry darrell but i do'nt think you have or know how to put a machine like that together, because in the first place if you knew how to put it together you would not need to call on engineers to build it for you.
jose.))

Engineers are needed to build larger machines in order to have the safety and the structural integrity that will odviously be required for the future. Today, I believe the place for these machines are on the farms across this land and give the farmers a breek from their energy bills.

Darrell
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nwman on December 27, 2006, 10:02:25 AM
So Darrell, I was fallowing this thread and stopped for a while so please forgive me if you already covered this but one question I have for you.... Does your design or calculations redefine any current laws? I would assume your tweaking the concepts of gravity but do you adhere to all other mathematics? I just want to know if you have done the math on it or if your going my observations alone?

Tim
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: sevich on December 27, 2006, 11:32:52 AM
Hi NWMAN

This Darrell Vandugegs is nothing than a O/U wannabe!!!

His used by date has long ago expired. He is trash from yesteryear!! ...I know it, "Beslerwheel.com" knows it, and  Hartiberlin knows it !!! .....................So lets give it a miss for Humanity's sake!!



(Lets cut to the chase,,,,,,"he's just a little fart-ass parasite" !!!)

Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nwman on December 27, 2006, 07:11:21 PM
sevich,
    I agree with you but I wanted to give him a "little" credit. So far no one has been able to prove him wrong mathematically. I feel when I can get an extra second I can put his design to rest. In my own research I have mathematically calculated all the important variables in such a wheel and can prove the math shows it doesn't work conclusively. That is unless he is calming some variation to know mathematics which he is still probably wrong. If no one is interested in it I don't want to was my time.?

Tim
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on December 27, 2006, 07:21:51 PM
Hello Tim,

?>> Does your design or calculations redefine any current laws? I would assume your tweaking the concepts of gravity but do you adhere to all other mathematics? I just want to know if you have done the math on it or if your going my observations alone?<<
I used more math, after I built the experiments and finished the Gravity machine, for at the beginning, all I did was use commen sience and solved the problems as they showed themselves. I've been called many things, the one I preferr is a jack-of-all-trades. Working around machinery and on farms has helped. Their is not much equipment, that I have used, that I have not been able to.....adjust for the better.
I started out working with air under water about 30 years ago then switched to gravity. The air under water still looks good.
I now have a spreedsheet that does the calculations for sizes of machines.
The machine is a puzzle, when you know the basic pieces,( weights and measurements ) what goes around, comes around.
Current laws, it's hard to say but I believe this could be the eighth wounder of the world.

Darrell

PS If you or any member would like to talk, I am on MSN
  VANDUGEGS@YAHOO.CA

Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on December 27, 2006, 08:11:50 PM
Tim,

Tim, you seem interested in the math. When I did the math on the six foot machine I only had 8.5 inch/lbs left over at start up. Not very much for a machine that is about 275 lbs. The math has been done by someone that seems very good with the numbers and they come up with a coaster or a machine that equals out, meaning it produces the same amount of power as is needed by the machine to operate.
People say you need to think outside the box, I have never seen the box. I think people may be put into the box as they are being tought in school, saying this is possible, that is not.
The thing to remember is, the person that builds the Gravity Machine is the person that can expand the Gravity Machine.

Darrell
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: FreeEnergy on December 27, 2006, 09:22:47 PM
uh huh. suuuuuuure lol
did you want cash with that? lol
how stupid do you think people are?  :-\ lol
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nwman on December 27, 2006, 10:03:33 PM
Darrell,

Some more questions for you that you may or may not want to answer. On a wheel you think would work answer these questions:

How many weights?

How heavy is each weight?

How far do the weights off set/lift on the over balanced side?

What is the radius of the wheel?


I can guess from the pictures you have posted but I thought I might as well ask.

Tim

Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: MeggerMan on December 27, 2006, 10:07:55 PM
Hi Darrell,
I am sorry to say this but there is no possible way that your device could work, unless part of your wheel is sitting in some strange dimension where the gravitational pull is a lot greater than normal.
A person that talks about gravity machines needs to be in a box, a padded one with a lock on the door.
This idea falls into the same category as buoyancy projects, they cannot work and if you want to, I will explain why not.

Give it your best shot and explain to me how it can work....

(I saw this one chap who built a monster Bessler wheel in his garden, at the cost of his family, job and everything, what a waste - and that never worked either)

Regards

Rob
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nwman on December 28, 2006, 01:00:07 AM
I would like to comment on Kingrs comments. I agree so far it seems to be impossible to harness gravity but I do believe that everything should always be questioned again and again. Since we do not know what causes gravity there is still room for new discoveries. I'm fairly confident Darrell's' doesn't work but I won't shut him down blindly if he is willing and able to express his idea for pear review. If he can answer my last questiong then I will know for sure if his design will work.


Tim
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: MeggerMan on December 28, 2006, 10:16:44 AM
Hi Tim,
Yes, I would agree, maybe I was a bit hasty there.
After I posted the comment, I drew an idea out on paper and now I am convinced it can work.  I think I lost a few hours sleep just trying to think of ways you could construct a proof of concept device.

Idea 1.
Using 360 ball bearings for weights attached to wheel at 1 degree intervals in a sliding cage with two possible positions on the radius, say 10cm and 20cm from the hub.
When each ball (10cm radius position) reaches the top (0 degrees) it engages a horizontal track with a very slight gradient, enough for the ball to roll, with the cage either side of the track.
The wheel continues to rotate and when 45 degrees rotation is reached the ball drops off the end of the track and is locked into the 20cm position. I need to check my maths on this as I am not sure if at 45 degrees the radius will be double or more.

With the wheel rotating clockwise the rotational force of the right side will be much greater than the left side and will continue to rotate.

When the wheel reaches 135 degrees, the ball engages a second lower track to roll back to its 10cm radius position where it is locked into place at 180 degrees until it reaches 0 to start all over again.

At any given time there are going to be 90 balls on the two horizontal tracks (45 on each) but because of the sum of the forces for the remaining 270 balls are out of balance the wheel will continue to rotate.
Even though you have 180 ball bearings on the upward side and 90 on the downward side the majority of the torque is created at between 45 degrees and 135 degrees, also and most important, you have twice the torque on the right hand side for this segment.

Where at 0 degrees to 45 and 135 to 180 there is very little.
With a few calculations I could work out the difference.

So I am asking myself now, where is the flaw in this design?
I have looked at all the angles I can think of.
I will need to write a small program to work out the energy created and to calculate the minimum number of spokes to get rotation.
4 would be the minimum I guess. 8 would be better.

Regards

Rob
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: MeggerMan on December 28, 2006, 06:15:27 PM
Hi Tim,
After carefully drawing it out and using a marked out CD and substitute weights (some capacitors) I did a dry run of what should be happening and what the torque would be for any given position. It started to look promising until I realized that the extra radius at 45 degrees is not 2 x but only 1.4 x.
This then puts a real damper on the whole thing.
I carried on and did a spreadsheet to work out the exact torque values and guess what, it balances out exactly, so no net gain, no over-unity.

So there we have it, I cannot see how it can work but I would love to be proved wrong.

See attached spreadsheet for the figures and calculations.

Regards

Rob

Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on December 28, 2006, 07:26:08 PM
kingrs,

>>unless part of your wheel is sitting in some strange dimension<<

I was asked if my machine was pointing north, it was.
I do not think it matters.

You asked some questions, so I took a look at what video's I mite be able to post and they all showed to much, I will keep looking.
All I will say is do not build to small, the machine needs to have some weight to it. After all, it uses this weight to operate the machine.

Remaimber,( Divide and conqour ).

Darrell

PS You may get more information, while talking on MSN.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on December 28, 2006, 08:07:27 PM
I said I would keep looking, so here it is. This video shows an experiment a few years ago.
It should be odvious that I have done more then just paper work.

Let me know what you think &

  Have a Happy New Year

Darrell
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: FreeEnergy on December 28, 2006, 09:50:32 PM
I said I would keep looking, so here it is. This video shows an experiment a few years ago.
It should be odvious that I have done more then just paper work.

Let me know what you think &

  Have a Happy New Year

Darrell

uh huh here we go again....lol

sorry but that video is just plain crap. good day sir.

peace
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: MeggerMan on December 29, 2006, 09:36:19 AM
Hi Darrell,
Hmmm... I'm intrigued.
Have you got a a view of the whole device?
What method do you use to alter the radius of the weights as this is the critical factor in the working of this type of device?
Can you connect anything to the wheel hub to generate power or will this cause too much drag?

Regards
Rob
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on December 29, 2006, 07:07:09 PM
Hello Rob,

You said, intrigued.
That is nicer then the previous comment. made by another. I wonder what a person needs to accomplish, to be able to make such a comment, (no disrespect intended), to anyone.
>>Have you got a view of the whole device? <<
I have many but they show too much. I will try to find another video that can be showen or maybe some photos.
>>What method do you use to alter the radius of the weights, as this is the critical factor in the working of this type of device? <<
That is part of it. It takes a few, what I call variables, to have the weights and measurements correct, in order to get start up. Then you need to make some adjustments for extra power output.
>>Can you connect anything to the wheel hub to generate power or will this cause too much drag? <<
On my machine, I have never had anything hooked up to it. It does have an axle for just such a reason. It will start on it?s own and I?ve had to keep it from going to fast. I now believe that such a machine will have a limited RPM. The video shows an experiment that is all. I posted it to show that some time and funds have gone into the machine and that it is not only an idea on paper.

I would like to discuss an arrangement to have another machine built with a breaking system, tachometer and a generator.
To date, I have not done any serious looking for a person that can build such a machine, and I hope they can also move this machine forward and onto the marketplace.
I will be looking for someone in the New Year. 

Regards
Darrell
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nwman on December 30, 2006, 02:58:48 AM
I really shouldn't be telling anyone this but I am working on a design of mine that in some respects is similar to Darrell's. I have my doubts that mine will even work. I feel the math I have come up with shows that it doesn't work. However I am applying for a $150,000 research grant and I was told I have a 95% chance of getting. Hopefully in the next couple months. So if for some reason I can't make mine work and your design has something that mine doesn't that makes it work I just might be interested in learning more. However, as a businessman I won't sign any non-competition forms unless they are limited and I have the majority control. Which is more then a fair price to pay if your looking for investment capital for this kind of thing. Plus if it works even a 1% share in the design would be worth Billions! lol.

Tim

P.S. Darrell, I can't seem to get the video you posted to work. Any ideas why?
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on December 30, 2006, 08:16:11 PM
Tim,

I do not know why the video would not continue working.
Let me know if you or anyone else would be interested in a conversation.

VANDUGEGS@YAHOO.CA

Darrell
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on December 30, 2006, 09:10:31 PM
You need Quicktime player or Quicktime alternative codecs
with Mediaplayer Classic.
Look here:

www.free-codecs.com

@Darrel,
this video is nothing new,
the total machine is not visible, just the
lower switch mechanism...

I think from your standpoint of view it would make more
sense to post a video of the whole machine
from about 3 to 5 Meters
away, so one can not see the mechanism involved,
but could see, that it runs on its own power.... if it really
works at all.

Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on December 30, 2006, 09:49:21 PM
Hello Stefan,

I have looked over many videos and I cannot find one that does not show too much. I think the problem is that I have worked on these machines so long; I see everything, in all the videos. I could show some more photos but I am not ready to give away 25 years of work, not yet.
I have thought of letting you post the full video but as I said, I see everything and I do not, at lest at this time, want to give it away. (The question is, would posting that video be giving it away??)
I have a few opertunenities to check and I will decide soon.
If you would like to make some comments on the video you have seen, without giving away too much, you may. It is very had to do. I have showed a video and a few photos, just to let people know its been built.
If someone can see enough in the video and photos and would like to sign an NDA, then I might show them more. This person must be able to build a machine.
I joined the other forum to ask for advise and received more then I really wanted to hear.
There are a lot of talented people on these forums, if only they could get together, to a common goal.
I still need good advise if anyone has some. What would you do with this machine?

Darrell

PS  Do not post anything without consent.
PSS Who would like to see this machine starting by itself and what would you do afterwards? ( Only 90 degrees of movement.)
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: FreeEnergy on December 31, 2006, 05:22:24 AM
Our common goal here as a community starts with OPEN SOURCING but I guess that is not enough for you? 

"What would you do with this machine?" take a wild guess what I would do? OPEN SOURCE!

peace
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nwman on December 31, 2006, 08:38:24 AM
The one problem with open source is that it is open! I do think any and all technology shouldn't be suppressed but there has to be a balance for economic sake. If a technology like this came out with no control millions of people would loose there jobs, the stock market would crash and a lot of other nice things. A true capitalistic market will balance the price out with what the economy will stabilize at. It would still save everyone thousands of dollars each. You could sell it for a tenth of the price and still supply a huge number of well paying jobs while cutting not only the cost of power but the cost of every product you buy. Aluminum is one of the most abundant materials on earth and is great for everything but it cost too much because all the power needed to refine it. Yada yada. The other point I would like to make is that if you release it to the world open source you are allowing someone else to get a patent on it and cut you out. You may give the technology to everyone free but if one Corporation patents the rights then no one can build this without paying a royalty even if they know how to build it. My plan has always been to patent it and control it so that it stabilizes the market and maintains the ability for people to still build them on there own. A balance.

Ok that was a waist of a few minutes. This is all small potatoes. Lets get it to work first. Sorry.

Tim

P.S. As a note though: If I were to have something I knew that work but I didn't have the means to do anything with it I would compromise as much as I would have to to get it out. I would feel an obligation. Not if you have the means and you are going the best you can but still slow them keep it a secret for now. But do something. Lives are at stake here. If we (US)  could replace out energy source with something of this nature we could pull out of a lot of wars. The communistic tyrants that are stilling on all the oil would run out of money. If the whole global warming thing is true then they say 20 years sooner then later can make a difference! I have/had something I am working on that I am trying everything I can do to get it running if at all. I'm finding the money, I'm finding the people and connections, I had to trust a lot of people with the idea so that I could get to were I want to go and faster. At this point I think I am in a position that if I had a concept that worked I could have it engineered, manufactures, funded, patented, etc.. in six months! Just needs something that works. OK, thats is good night.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: FreeEnergy on December 31, 2006, 08:48:54 AM
GNU/GPL would probably be the best way to go if you need to patent. Then you can OPEN SOURCE it with no worries! :)

* see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License and http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html


peace.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: CLaNZeR on December 31, 2006, 02:07:52 PM
I think releasing an OU device that could replace existing motors for example would increase jobs, as just think of the man power and work needed to manafacture these things and then replace every motor out there.

If a device was released that allowed each home to to have it's own self contained source of power, then It would be a huge task of installing all these devices.

At the end of the day all you are doing is pulling the plug on the electricity coming into a house, so the supply company will suffer as they have lost revenue, but then get them involved in the mass rollout, this way it still gives them a replacement income.

At the end of the day, advance on technology has replaced many industries over history, but on the back on these new technology comes new jobs.

I never look at this as Free Energy but rather as Alternative Energy that does not  the world of all her resources.
 
Regards

Sean.



Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on December 31, 2006, 07:59:03 PM
Members,

People have asked how I have been so patient for 4 years. It is because I would not want to make any hasty decisions. I believe some strategy is absolutely needed and necessary.

I do not think any one country should have a monopoly on such a machine. This is why I have said I would like to find at lest one person in each country, to manufacture and distribute the machine, this way, maybe an even playing field, could become possible. All countries with their own new power supply and we know that some need it more then others.

In Ontario, we need to replace 80 percent of our energy production and build more for the future. The future power requirements is what I was going to look into, world wide, then people can continue with the jobs they have. If this machine can provide future power requirements, then slowly changing the present ways of power production, would be a good start.

Darrell

PS Some people may be surprised at the amount I would except, for this Gravity Machine.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on January 07, 2007, 08:05:38 PM
A video for people with an open mind,

I found this video to show another person, then thought of this forum.
First, this is not a working machine, as you can see.
It shows why I could not let the machine spin very fast, not even as fast as it is in this video.
When I was standing at the three o'clock location, I was keeping it slower then what it is in this video.
As you can see, this machine must be built with its intended RPM in mind.
This video gives an idea of what the machine may have looked like, the first time it ran.

Happy New Year

Darrell Vandusen sr
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on January 27, 2007, 10:21:33 PM
Hello members, Stefan.

10,000 and counting, I have been waiting to reach the 10,000 mark so I can move on.
I have given the 4,000 plus members of this forum, more then enough time to get involved or at lest make some suggestions towards moving this machine forward.

I find it interesting that most countries around the world are supposed to be looking for new sources of energy, yet no one takes a look. The country I live in seems to only be interested in solving the pollution, after the fuel is burned and not to find something that has no polluting problems, in the first place.

I still do not understand, why people that have watched the videos I posted, are not able to understand, how and why, the machine works.
I know most people would like to see the full video of this machine, while it completes several rotations. Showing this video would be full discloser. I have never had anything hooked up to this machine, anyway. I?m sure there would still be questions, even if it were seen. Speaking of videos, I have not seen anything that others have been working on?

Machines that rotate are interesting but they are not enough. A machine must be driving an outside source that requires energy input, and then and only then, does the machine prove it has extra power. Without extra power it is just art.

It has always been my belief, that if someone could understand the 30-degree explanation, then he or she might get involved and I might let them.

Good luck to everyone on his or her endeavours. Never give up, it is possible.

Darrell Vandusen Sr
VANDUGEGS@YAHOO.CA
Green Energy Gravitional Systems, ( Sounds good to me )
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: hartiberlin on February 01, 2007, 03:02:55 AM
Darrel,
you have exactly got the point:
FULL DISCLOSURE
is needed to get some people involved and get people
to replicate the machines.

This is what we need and want on this website !

It is all about Open Source Energy development.
No hiding,no withholding.

Everyone will win in this situation.
As the energy market is very big,
everyone can make enough money also with full disclosure.

Especially with gravity wheels full disclosure is needed,
cause there have been too many fraudulent attempts been made..

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: Dingus Mungus on February 01, 2007, 07:27:45 AM
Once a few of our members has replicated and found proof of overunity, I'm quite sure there will be lots of people interested in funding its further development. Anyone who's been working on this kind of research for years knows there have been lots of claims but no proof of concept yet, no way to get the device out. In a open source community replication and confirmation makes for absolute proof and act as a medium for R&D and funding, but only after replication.

I hope your claims are legit, but I've read things about you somewhere before...
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=10 (http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=10)

GNU/GPL would probably be the best way to go if you need to patent. Then you can OPEN SOURCE it with no worries! :)

* see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License and http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html

Then we can help you start developement.

~Dingus
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on July 26, 2007, 01:02:00 AM
Hello  Stefan,

I believe I have found a cad program that I can put a simulation of my machine on.

I will send it to just about anybody, that first signs an NDA.

I think this will be usfull, for some of the measuements can be changed to get the required power output.

On another note, I think the main problem some of you have had, is your design is to small. ( You cannot multiply torque, if you don't have the diameter).

Darrell

PS     I wish I could just sell this machine to someone that will move it forward. I  could wait for 2 months while they build their own machine as proff of concept. It's funny that no one will sign up and build their own??
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: Dingus Mungus on July 26, 2007, 01:17:27 AM
Most of us are really busy with other open source projects currently. :-\
I would like to take a closer look at your device when it is fully disclosed.
In the mean time, no one here would buy an unverified technology...

Good luck on your research,
~Dingus Mungus
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: Duranza on August 06, 2007, 09:24:41 PM
Well said Dingus Mungus. As soon as we get details we would get to building. The only way to validate is to replicate.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on August 09, 2007, 12:43:02 AM
Hello Everyone,

I have no problem with someone building this machine. All I need is for them to sign an NDA and be willing to build at the same time, along with a time frame in mind.
We would have to come to some agreements and offcourse I would preferr if they live in Canada. The location is not first and formost..
I would suggest a machine about 7 feet in height and some other details that are new to this design.
If you are willing, the sooner the better.

As always, Take care

Darrell

PS  You can make contact at >>  VANDUGEGS@YAHOO.CA
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nwman on August 11, 2007, 08:32:01 PM
Hello  Stefan,

I believe I have found a cad program that I can put a simulation of my machine on.

I will send it to just about anybody, that first signs an NDA.

I think this will be useful, for some of the measurements can be changed to get the required power output.

On another note, I think the main problem some of you have had, is your design is to small. ( You cannot multiply torque, if you don't have the diameter).

Darrell

PS     I wish I could just sell this machine to someone that will move it forward. I  could wait for 2 months while they build their own machine as proof of concept. It's funny that no one will sign up and build their own??


Darrel,

First of all absolutely do not take my word for this. However, I have done the math on the "OU wheel" and I have the equations that simplify the basic physics principle and prove mathematically it doesn't work. I haven't had the time to organize the equations in an explanatory fashion but I plan on it someday soon. The key culprit is the how the ratio between the work formula in respects to the rotational work done by the wheel to the linear work needed to lift the weights up and how they scale up when you increase the size of the wheel. Anyways, I myself still feel I could be wrong or maybe it does work and the math we have is faulty when expressing the physics behind an OU wheel.

What I plan to show in my proof is the physics breakdown of the basic principles in an OU wheel. Step by step like I did in my other documents showing how you would calculate the forces and work down by the rotation and the energy needed to lift. Also showing how scaling the wheel effects the calculations. Really all the math is shown in my previous post but I just have to do is put it into words and create the logic train to explain them.

This is how I can help you and I'm pretty sure you won't go for it but if you can show me a video with a full rotation, if not two, I will see that it gets built and you get credit. I will not sign a NDA because I am working on the same idea and by signing it I wouldn't be able to do anything with mine. I would have no problem signing one if it was worded in such a way that I couldn't disclose any proprietary design that you have Solly come up with and/or until it was proven to not work. Basically something that would allow you to keep it security and not strip me of any wrights to my designs. As a profesional courtesy I will give you my word you will receive credit for your work.

Tim
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on August 11, 2007, 09:34:05 PM
Hello Tim,

If you need information, ask Fletcher.

Darrell



Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: tinu on August 11, 2007, 11:09:55 PM
Darrell,

It?s been over a year since your first claim. Not to mention you?re ?working on a gravity powered machine for 25 years??

You probably know that beside school, every single lesson in our short life teaches us that there is no free lunch and in order to produce energy/power you need to consume something else. The problem I see with all of the gravity machines is that they hardly may consume something? Is the gravity going to decrease on the whole Earth or something similar when using it? I really doubt.

In the light above, you?re asking for signing an NDA?
That request and some other posts sounded very doubtful, to say at least.

Don?t you think it would be more natural to take the following steps?
1. To post at least one clear video on the working device. No details are needed but revealing the fact that is not being powered from outside (i.e. no power cables, tubes etc) and from inside (i.e. no batteries, electric or pneumatic motors etc) and the work it can produce, at least for 5-10 mins or so.
2. To explain to me / to us/ what do you think the machine consumes when producing power.

Tx,
Tinu
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: brnbrade on August 12, 2007, 12:36:18 AM
I don't understand as people lose the life trying these things.
Those devices need a lot of work to produce something useful.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nwman on August 12, 2007, 02:27:03 AM
Darrel,

 I have done the math on increasing and decreasing the different variables and how they scale up and down. The math still says it should not work. Now when you just said:

Two workings of this machine, that most people do not see, let alone understand, would probably need to be part of the math. It is one of these that will turn your light on.
If it was easy, formula rearrangement would have worked.

Have these "Two workings" been left out of the photos you have posted and sent me? I feel I understand all the of workings of your design.

I don't have a lot of time to reply here but I did want to run one more thing by you. I will sign your NDA and do everything in my powers to help you if you can provide me with the following after signing:

1) A full, detailed video of at least 2 or more rotations. With no noise besides the machine.
2) Full disclosure and details of what ever it is you think makes it run.
3) If I'm convinced I would like to fly to you and see it in person for review.
4) What is the current status of the wheel(s)?
5) What do you want from me or what can I provide to help you?

Let me know.

Tim
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: fletcher on August 12, 2007, 03:34:23 AM
darrell .. that imo is a very generous offer by Tim & you should seriously consider his terms as a fair means to get the independent verification for your wheel, that you so need in the eyes of forum members & potential associates, going forward !

I would point out, as I did on Besslerwheel.com, that a video of a wheel self starting & rotating a quarter turn [as I understand] is way insufficient rotation to prove any contestable points about your wheel.

As you must be aware, any independent spoke design has a major draw back that can give fictitious results to the unwary. As the spokes are connected at the hub & have no circumference rim support they are prone to geometric wander i.e. the segments are not all equal angles [unless very carefully machined & supported indeed].

This means that the wheel is not balanced [without the weights & weight shifting devices] & wants to keel i.e. find its point of rest at lowest Potential Energy. This will cause a spontaneous rotation until it is bottom heavy. Therefore, it is necessary to self start the wheel for demonstration purposes 180 degrees apart to see if it continues to accelerate in the same direction. In the same light, I can well understand the request for a video showing multiple full rotations before forking out for a plane ticket.

This doesn't seem too much to ask, to help establish your bona fides in a contentious field often liberally sprinkled with unsubstantiated claims, from some people whose motivations are surely & often attention seeking ! JMO's.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on August 12, 2007, 04:45:21 AM
If you have an open mind, fine, if not, Good Bye.

Darrell
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: fletcher on August 12, 2007, 06:44:07 AM
Darrell .. this thread is sadly deja vu. I don't think you will ever succeed in enticing anyone to 'invest' in you if you cannot objectively negotiate towards compromise, with both yourself & the other person?s interests fairly represented. You don't seem to respond intelligibly to people who make genuine overtures to you [like Tim & others] to get the legitimacy of your claims actually resolved & documented. I can only conclude from this that this actually isn't your aim & you have a completely different agenda.

You just need one knowledgeable person to independently verify your claims, but of course, if they had signed an overly restrictive nda then they would not be able to say publicly what they concluded, whether good or bad, & so this forum would be none the wiser.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nwman on August 12, 2007, 09:37:19 AM
Darrel,
   What is your responce to my offer? You totaly avoided my offer when I beleive is the best offer you have reveived from a credable source. I have been kind and I'm not feeling the love! What is your answer? No one will try to recreate your wheel or give you money or help you in any more of a way then you have recieved already untill you can show a video of a clear 2+ rotations. I'm willing to sign a NDA and if convinced I'll help you. That is what your asking right? AAAAHHHHHHH! Don't make us put you on a black list on this site too. I hate to say it but this is your last chance with me!

Tim
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: FreeEnergy on August 12, 2007, 09:48:59 AM
it's sad but hey what can you do? lol
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on August 12, 2007, 09:42:17 PM
I take my time when answering an important post and the offer withen.

PEACE
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: FreeEnergy on August 12, 2007, 09:52:05 PM
please go away unless you're willing to Open Source this thing.

by the way Welcome to OverUnity.com The International open source free energy research forum.



peace
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nwman on August 13, 2007, 02:20:52 AM
I take my time when answering an important post and the offer withen.

PEACE

OK ,go ahead and take your time, but what have you been doing for the last 1-25+ years? Just don't take too long or I will come up with it on my own! lol. I don't want you to be on my bad side. I'm really a nice guy. One simple question though is if you do have in your possession and able to send to me a video clearly showing 2+ rotations? If you don't have this then there is no point in further talks.

Thanks,

Tim
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on August 14, 2007, 12:07:14 AM
Tim,

Maybe you would send me a video or even a picture of what you are, or were, working on.

It would be interesting if those that have something to say, would leed with what they have done themselves. I do not see why people cannot show what they have tried and failed with. This would show people, what not to do and that they are not all talk, no show. I for one, would love to look at the things people have tried, maybe we can figure out what went wrong. Yes, if I seen the answer to a problem, I would share the informaton with its inventor and shareing with the forum, would and should be up to them to decide.

The more thiings on the market, the better.

Darrell
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nwman on August 14, 2007, 06:37:08 AM
Darrell,

Feel free to check out all the post I have started on there. I also worked a little bit on Tom's SMOT idea and tested and found his video and conclusions were wrong. I'll put links to these threads if you need but its late again and I don't have the time now.

Tim
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nwman on August 16, 2007, 08:45:19 PM
OK, while I'm waiting to hear your answer let me ask you this. You should be able to give me an immediate answer on this with no obligation of anything. If you do decide to let me sign a NDA can and will you provide the fallowing after signing?

1) A video showing:
 Clearly, you starting the wheel by letting go of the wheel in a stopped position and it start to rotate on its own like you showed in the video you posted and with out editing show it rotating at least 2+ full revolutions with eceleration?

2) Photos or video and description of all parts and principles and how they work? I think I know but just in case there is something I'm missing.

3) Allow me to see the wheel in action? Is the wheel able to preform at this current moment in time and or what is needed to get it running again?

A copy of the NDA would be nice too.

Answer these question in your next response please. If you can not then you are obviously avoiding having your work validated and refusing help to develop it. In which case I am not interested in helping you and you will be on my bad side.

Tim

Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: jeffc on August 16, 2007, 10:32:53 PM
Tim,

Maybe you would send me a video or even a picture of what you are, or were, working on.

It would be interesting if those that have something to say, would leed with what they have done themselves. I do not see why people cannot show what they have tried and failed with. This would show people, what not to do and that they are not all talk, no show. I for one, would love to look at the things people have tried, maybe we can figure out what went wrong. Yes, if I seen the answer to a problem, I would share the informaton with its inventor and shareing with the forum, would and should be up to them to decide.

The more thiings on the market, the better.

Darrell

Darrell,
Your post concerns me.  If you already have created a working system, why would you have any interest in seeing failed attempts?  You have made it very clear that you don't want to give away your 25 years of investment, so "The more thiings on the market, the better" doesn't seem to be consistent with your desire to profit from your invention.

If other inventions are demonstrated to work before you can prove yours, you will have lost first-mover advantage, which in business is a very big deal. 

Example: if Tim gets a version to work and goes public with it, he will get the initial investors and publicity.  So when you afterward show a working device, you will be perceived as a "copycat" by the press, and investors will have to consider you quite differently.  As a second place OU device, to get an investors attention you will have to show one or more of the following:

1) Your invention is significantly superior to Tim's
2) You have experience in the energy industry or consumer/industrial product production (making you a good choice to manage a new business)
3) You have unique knowledge in the mechanics of OU device making
4) You have a strong educational background in a related field (physics, ee, etc)

My point is that you will be in a much weaker position to get investment.  That doesn?t mean it will be impossible, just that your ?value? to an investor will be more based on your personal strengths.  If you are lacking the formal education in the related sciences, and don?t have a resume loaded with related experience then you are at a huge disadvantage here.  An investor will more likely hire an engineer and have him copy Tim?s device (especially easy if Tim goes opensource!).  Then he?ll establish manufacturing, sales, marketing, and all the other elements of the business.  Do you see yourself fitting in as an employee of this new company?
 
I agree that a market for OU would have many competing products, the question is are you destroying your chances for getting anything out of your work by not coming forward now before someone else figures out how to make this work. 

There occurs to me one other possible motivation for you not proving your invention and asking others to show their failed attempts.  Perhaps your device doesn?t work, like many OU attempts it gets ?stuck? at a certain point.  If you could get others here to post their similar attempts, and to talk discuss those failures, then perhaps you could learn something that could help you get your device fixed so that it runs continuously instead of just partially. 

I?m not trying to accuse you of anything, that would be silly because I just don?t know what the reality is.  But I am trying to relate to you that if you really have achieved closed loop OU and you don?t move NOW you may seriously regret your short sighted fear of your invention being stolen.

I speak from experience here.  My grandfather had some great inventions, that he was too fearful to show potential investors.  I learned from his mistakes, I have multiple patents pending (computer technology, not related to OU), I?ve started several businesses, I?ve worked with investors and have experienced the fear of having my inventions stolen.  I?ve also several times not followed through on an invention only to see someone else get it to market before me, making the millions that could have been mine. 

I honestly hope you have achieved OU, and that you have the guts to see it through.  If not, someone else will.

Regards,
jeffc
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on August 17, 2007, 01:00:11 AM
Hello Tim & All Members,

My interest in asking for others to show a picture or even a video is two fold.
First, it shows that they have done something in this regard and second, I?m just curious. I may be able to point someone in the correct direction.. I would like to talk with someone that has got their hands dirty, not just sim's or drawings.

What I would like to have happen, is for anyone interested, including Tim, would be to talk with people over MSN, before going much farther.
I think talking and asking some questions, is not much to ask for.

The best thing that could happen. A farmer that would like to have thier own power supply, calls me and asks me to build them a machine, that has the ability to produce over one meggwatt of power. This,.. would be interesting.

Darrell

PS I have been on this forum for some time now, not to much has changed. I think it will soon be time for this, to come to an end. Lets say the end of this month.



Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nwman on August 17, 2007, 02:19:33 AM
Darrell and ALL,

OK, I put out a good faith offer and you put out your terms. Obviously you are playing games with us; be it with or without a working design. I gave you a simple request and you did the worst thing and try to change the topic and avoid my request. I wish to now make a formal request to all to no longer work with Darrel until he makes it 100% open. Mine and everyone else's time is far to valuable to wast with you. I know others will probably want to put in there comments about Darrell right now which is OK but do not indulge this fantasy until he makes the first move and posts his proof. The comment about the whole farmer things is almost funny but in a disrespectful way. Darrell, may you see it in your heart to wise up! I will no longer work with you in any means until you GIVE up your proof.

Tim
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on August 17, 2007, 03:27:32 AM
Hi Tim,

Does this meen you do not have the abiltity to talk on MSN.

I gave you an easy way out and you took it.

It is best to know these things about people, before getting involved. Talking with someone is an easy way to get a read on someone.

Again, if someone reading this is interested in building a machine, let me know when we can talk.

Darrell
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nwman on August 17, 2007, 08:43:29 AM
I really don't want to even respond to this but he is making me so irate.

"Does this mean you do not have the ability to talk on MSN."-No this does not mean that. Do not change the topic or blame to me. This forum here is simple enough to answer my questions and given the fact that you spat in my face by not responding shows your dilution.

I gave you an easy way out and you took it.-You did not give me a way out you took your chance with me away yourself. I'm giving you more credit then you deserve and more then anyone else before and your trying to get me to back out? Your so vain as to think this!

It is best to know these things about people, before getting involved. Talking with someone is an easy way to get a read on someone.-Again changing the blame to me. I am the one trying to help. Here is a simple analogy of what your doing. Say if you fell out of a boat and where drowning and needed help being pulled out. I am the one trying everything I can to pull you up and all you can do is criticize the way I am helping while your still drowning. My hand was reached out to you and you just slapped it away saying you want a rope not my hand even though there is no rope on the boat. I am going to let you drown! Your not worth saving.

Again, if someone reading this is interested in building a machine, let me know when we can talk.- No one help this man! He is turning down more then FAIR offers for help and looking for someone to finance the construction of a new machine with no proof. This can be concluded from a statement just a little while ago :

"The best thing that could happen. A farmer that would like to have their own power supply, calls me and asks me to build them a machine, that has the ability to produce over one megawatt of power. This,.. would be interesting."

I don't even now here to begin with how impractical this statement is. He wants a "farmer"  which would be someone uneducated in the field to pay(give him money up front) for him to build a machine (which has zero proof of working and loads of proof saying it wont) and tries to slip in some supposed facts that his machine could make over 1 megawatt of power which is un founded. In the last line he is trying to make you interested in something that has no interest and most likely is lies. He is worse the a politician when it comes to getting a straight answer out of him.

I have to give him credit on his ruse. Baring if he has something that works or not. His responses to everybody has almost been that of a psychology student. If you ask him a question that would put his story to the test he immediately uses advanced techniques to turn your train of thought to something that doesn't matter and get you to believe him on that point. Once he has you believing that non important point he then pulls his story back in saying if you believe that then you should believe me when I tell you this(his story of a working machine). I now believe he is 100% paying with us and can not be trusted. He also uses the technique to make you feel like you don't know anything and that he knows better so you should just trust him. I don't want to wast any more time on this. Here are my points:

1- He had made a claim that he has something that works.
2- He has yet to provide any remote shred of evidence of this.
3- He claims if you don't see how it works he is not going to tell you.
4- He asks for help and when exactly that is offered he turns it down looking for someone(usually unqualified) to blindly invest(time,money,rights,etc).
5- He flip flops on his views of helping the world one second to needing to making money the next and then to trying to get any small amount of money he can out of it.
6- He has made zero progress in any direction with his machine, business plans, anything and everything. The current status of his work is totally the same today as it was 5 years ago. There has been no progress presented to date. If you read all of his postings on this site and others that he is seemingly almost intentionally keeping everyone going in circles trying to keep anything from progressing. People are not naturally this misleading. It takes some real thought and work to keep everyone so clueless about something he is trying to tell us.
7- I really wouldn't want to work with a man if he is this deceptive and manipulative.


See, I have even fallen into his trap by responding to his judgements instead of his work. I again ask people to not respond to his comments until he had shown proof freely. I think he might be getting a kick out of watching us squirm.

Tim

Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: vondesastre on August 17, 2007, 06:08:05 PM
hey guys  sorry to barge in

after numerous calculations and synthesys>>> i think i found us a way to get real free energy

>> stay tuned

i will be needing as much feedback as possible from you

lets do it together

i guess that this is the purpose of this forum anyway

i stand on grounds that >>  many of our predecessors have opened ways but they all got stuck in their single lined research thus were unable to see the bigger picture

please feel free to join in

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3029.new.html#new

any contextual input will be welcomed

thanks in advance
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on August 17, 2007, 07:56:16 PM
Hi Tim, how are you today?

You typed;

I don't have a lot of time to reply here but I did want to run one more thing by you. I will sign your NDA and do everything in my powers to help you if you can provide me with the following after signing:

1) A full, detailed video of at least 2 or more rotations. With no noise besides the machine. (( The answer to your request, is NO. ))
2) Full disclosure and details of what ever it is you think makes it run.
3) If I'm convinced I would like to fly to you and see it in person for review.
4) What is the current status of the wheel(s)?
5) What do you want from me or what can I provide to help you?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
I said this on the 12th.

If you have an open mind, fine, if not, Good Bye.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Darrel,
   What is your responce to my offer? You totaly avoided my offer when I beleive is the best offer you have reveived from a credable source. I have been kind and I'm not feeling the love! What is your answer? No one will try to recreate your wheel or give you money or help you in any more of a way then you have recieved already untill you can show a video of a clear 2+ rotations. I'm willing to sign a NDA and if convinced I'll help you. That is what your asking right? AAAAHHHHHHH! Don't make us put you on a black list on this site too. I hate to say it but this is your last chance with me!
--------------------------------------------------------------

Don't make us put you on the black list on this site too.  Do you have that power?

Then you said,  I hate to say it but this is your last chance with me!

This was and is enought for me, Your bad side, Don't make us black list you, ( WE, Us. )

Sorry Tim, I do not care for your typing and will not read your posts.

I know you and many others would like to see the machine , with it's rotations, however I made up my mind years ago, not to show anyone else.

When I first recorded this video, I did start by showing it to an engineer. I looked through the yellow pages and found a consulting engineer, willing to let me show them the video, so they could then confirm it and the machine, so as to have a person other then myself to say it worked as described. This man was a senior mechanical engineer, who has assisted me to this day, no charge.

Take care and good luck..

Mr Vandusen
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: jeffc on August 19, 2007, 12:14:29 AM
Hi Tim, how are you today?

You typed;

I don't have a lot of time to reply here but I did want to run one more thing by you. I will sign your NDA and do everything in my powers to help you if you can provide me with the following after signing:

1) A full, detailed video of at least 2 or more rotations. With no noise besides the machine. (( The answer to your request, is NO. ))
2) Full disclosure and details of what ever it is you think makes it run.
3) If I'm convinced I would like to fly to you and see it in person for review.
4) What is the current status of the wheel(s)?
5) What do you want from me or what can I provide to help you?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
I said this on the 12th.

If you have an open mind, fine, if not, Good Bye.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Darrel,
   What is your responce to my offer? You totaly avoided my offer when I beleive is the best offer you have reveived from a credable source. I have been kind and I'm not feeling the love! What is your answer? No one will try to recreate your wheel or give you money or help you in any more of a way then you have recieved already untill you can show a video of a clear 2+ rotations. I'm willing to sign a NDA and if convinced I'll help you. That is what your asking right? AAAAHHHHHHH! Don't make us put you on a black list on this site too. I hate to say it but this is your last chance with me!
--------------------------------------------------------------

Don't make us put you on the black list on this site too.  Do you have that power?

Then you said,  I hate to say it but this is your last chance with me!

This was and is enought for me, Your bad side, Don't make us black list you, ( WE, Us. )

Sorry Tim, I do not care for your typing and will not read your posts.

I know you and many others would like to see the machine , with it's rotations, however I made up my mind years ago, not to show anyone else.

When I first recorded this video, I did start by showing it to an engineer. I looked through the yellow pages and found a consulting engineer, willing to let me show them the video, so they could then confirm it and the machine, so as to have a person other then myself to say it worked as described. This man was a senior mechanical engineer, who has assisted me to this day, no charge.

Take care and good luck..

Mr Vandusen


OK, now I'm really confused.  If you already have a "senior mechanical engineer" then why are you on this forum (and others)?  What is your goal?  Why do you need help?  What kind of help do you need?  If you already have this person, they are very qualified to rebuild your next device.  And if you decided years ago not to show it to anyone else, then again, why are you here? 

Do you seek funding?  Well, you're at the wrong web site.  This is a site for people who want to create a free energy device, and most of them want to do it opensource.

If you want funding, you and your engineer friend should be able to easily get investors to come see a WORKING VERSION.  And you MIGHT even get possibly an investment based on your video of the previous working version, BUT YOU WILL HAVE TO SHOW THE VIDEO. 

That?s just how the world works Darrel.  When you are the person asking for help, you are not in the position to be demanding much.  The BEST you can hope for is that an investor would sign an NDA and then you show them the video and they will fund the next device. 

Heck in my industry (computers) trying to get investors to sign NDAs is very hard, at least from the big VC funds, they just won?t do it. 

I tried to tell you in my first message.  If you really have this working OU device (or need to rebuild a working model) then you?d better get an attitude change.  Unless you have great enjoyment in the thought of taking this invention to your grave without the world ever seeing it.

I?m not suggesting you must reveal it here, or anywhere online.  But there?s no question you?re going to have to start showing it to people if you really want to see it happen (and make some  $$).

Good luck,
jeffc
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on August 20, 2007, 02:09:54 AM
Hello Members, JEFFIC & Mr Burns,

Some answers to your questions;

>>>OK, now I'm really confused.  If you already have a "senior mechanical engineer" then why are you on this forum (and others)?  What is your goal?  Why do you need help?  What kind of help do you need?  If you already have this person, they are very qualified to rebuild your next device.  And if you decided years ago not to show it to anyone else, then again, why are you here?<<< 

The engineer I talked about has been retired for some time now. He contacted the person that took over his position and we made an appointment. It turns out that you must be a businessperson for one year, in-order for them to help in developing a new product.

I am on this forum to gain information on what to and not to say.
I have always believed, that the more information the better.
I would like to see this machine on the market, in all countries at the same time. This should keep an even playing field, or at the lest, no monopoly for any one.

To prove this machine, I need to have it hooked up to a generator, tachometer and a breaking system. I would have it start by itself and run at a steady RPM, then I would slow it down, and then let it return to its original RPM.
I need to build a machine that is of a size that will have some extra power. You may wonder why the other machines will not do. The problem is, the other machine only had about 8.5 inch lbs, and this is not enough to hook up a generator. Plus, now I know how to build a machine, with the extra power required.
It took a long time to finally get the machine to work, so to show it to just anybody is not an option.

I have talked about the machine, with people that I have had a face to face and I do not think it is very wise, to give away information to someone just over the net. I have said, I prefer talking on MSN and believe that is a good start. Conversation, will tell more about a person,then typing.

If some one wants to build this machine, then tell me what you want, for what you are offering and be ready for some questions.

Darrell

Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on August 22, 2007, 07:14:49 PM
Hello Stefan,

I was thinking, that before ending this post, I would offer you an opportunity to hear the latest explanation of how this machine works. I believe it is as strait forward as it can be.
How it concentrates the power or torque, were this power comes from and how it is used to operate the machine in the first place.
If you are interested and have the time, let me know.
You can then have the last say and let your readers hear your final decision.

Darrell

Hello Members,                  Aug 31/07

This is an addition to the post, as I was waiting until this day.
My apologies for not knowing more about the forums and their uses. I did not know about the open source forum, if I did, I would not have posted.

It is unfortunate; no one accepted my offer to build my machine, as required.
My E-mail address is known, so if you change you mind, let me know, for I will not be posting here again until I can tell you everything you need to know.

Take care and never give up on your individual goals.

Remember, allways listen to all the pieces of the puzzles, then make up your own mind, what to use and what to disregard.

Darrell Vandusen Sr

PS  Always  x
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: FreeEnergy on August 26, 2007, 01:26:17 PM
Hello Stefan,

I was thinking, that before ending this post, I would offer you an opportunity to hear the latest explanation of how this machine works. I believe it is as strait forward as it can be.
How it concentrates the power or torque, were this power comes from and how it is used to operate the machine in the first place.
If you are interested and have the time, let me know.
You can then have the last say and let your readers hear your final decision.

Darrell


I'm very sure he is interested in your latest straight forward explanation just like the rest of us, after all this is why Open Source websites like OverUnity.com exists in the first place.

so please post all info here for us as Open Source should be.

Thank you.



peace
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on August 11, 2008, 01:40:06 AM
Hello Stefan & fellow members,

I hope this post finds every one closer to their dreams coming true.

I have set up my machine and every thing is the same, I still need more of the same parts.

I have been wondering why no one has offered to prove me wrong? All you would need to do is sign up, receive the information, and then make up your own mind. When you find that it does work, maybe you would get involved.

When I talked with a man from England and showed him a video, I did not know as much as I do at this time. This person did not have the necessary information to make an informed decision. The math I am able to do, shows allot more details, ways of improving the design and it sure is easier to find out locations for parts while working with simulations, then doing things the old way, one thing at a time.
I use the wm2d program and can show a working, 30-degree motion with gravity-operated systems.

Anyway, if some one would like to prove me wrong, let me know...

Darrell

PS I would prefer some one that can take it all the way, after finding that it does work...
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: AB Hammer on August 11, 2008, 03:00:39 AM
VANDUGEGS

 I have never written to you about your wheel, I joined as this string ran out before. I have also read the negative statements from people I have learned to trust. What can you say,or send like some form of dimo to prove you are up and up. I keep an open mind and understand wheels very well. I can look at a wheel and can tell weather it has a chance or not. I am also one who helps people learn and judge there wheels with an honest opinion.

 So you have my eyes and ears. Now what do you have?
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: utilitarian on August 11, 2008, 05:14:30 AM
I have been wondering why no one has offered to prove me wrong? All you would need to do is sign up, receive the information, and then make up your own mind. When you find that it does work, maybe you would get involved.

You are jumping the gun, and putting the burden on others.  It's a lot of work to try to prove you wrong, and there is no evidence that you are right, so why even bother?

If you want to prove you are right, there are some things you need to do first to establish some credibility.  I am sure if you think hard about it you can come up with some ideas.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: broli on August 11, 2008, 11:49:03 AM
Your wheel really resembles the Andy wheel which has been pointed out by stefan. I don't need to sign any nda to figure out how it works. You have a ramp at a the bottom left and top right that push/pull the arm. Here's a a basic illustration...

(http://ziosproject.com/NJ/dugeswheel.PNG)

I don't care whether it works or not what bothers me is your way of approaching it. 300 years people like you have come and gone that is the poeple who wanted to step in Besslers shoes (you don't need to know who he is). But what do they have to show for it...well pretty much nothing. Because they were afraid of their "secret" being stolen and getting paranoid about it. I always try to convince people to be open and sharing in order to reach their goals or else they'll just make the 300 year old list longer and you are proof of it. You have been here since 2006 with only one idea and so far still have nothing to show for it. in 1 month I get 100's of idea and figure out why they wouldn't work but I still share the less idiotic ones. Just let go of the illusion of being robbed from anything and share.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: Dr on August 11, 2008, 03:40:33 PM
Hi Darrell: I have to agree with  that fellow AB Hammer, I just have a hard time believing the rudeness of some people on this forum, they have the option to ignore you but instead they  attack,attack,attack and like that guy Bessler said, they will never be happy untill they have the secrete of your device. If you have worked on this thing for 25 years, you deserve some reward. Dont give in to the pressure,its obvious that an NDA means nothing to some of these people, go back and read page 1 of this thread, I am very suprised you are not retaining a lawyer, be very careful, some of these people will take your Idea and make it their own!
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: broli on August 11, 2008, 04:15:16 PM
Dr. maybe someone should remind you that this is an open source forum. It works the other way around if you're not prepared to share anything under open source terms then why bother posting here and gathering attention. It's nice to see people like you adding to this paranoia it sure makes things productive doesn't it. Go look up the different open source licenses before you get too defensive my friend.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: Dr on August 11, 2008, 04:42:31 PM
Broli: You are missing the point as usual,personal attacks against other members will never get you anything except personal satisfaction, take a look back in time, our history as a human race is nothing to brag about, in fact its nothing short of appalling, the message I am trying to covey is if you dont have something nice to say why say anything at all, an attack against someone is surely not going to get them to open up!
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: AB Hammer on August 11, 2008, 04:43:57 PM
Dr

 There are allot of people who have worked hard to figure this perpetual motion out. So I can understand when people get uptight and say things, for there have been many fraudsters looking for money or attention. Some people who make claims feel that they have done it. Even I was fooled with a ball wheel test awhile back but I couldn't duplicate it either. This is why a form of real proof is needed also after several years if working why doesn't Darrell have a patent? This is the reason I would like to see a dimo. I also will not sign a paper unless it pertains only to the item in question, never to give up any of my wrights to what I am working on. Not say that Darrell's agreement is or isn't, but I have read some agreements in this game that give them wrights to what you have done or do ever more. Under those condition I would never sign.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: mscoffman on August 11, 2008, 05:56:27 PM
Hi Darrell: I have to agree with  that fellow AB Hammer, I just have a hard time believing the rudeness of some people on this forum, they have the option to ignore you but instead they  attack,attack,attack and like that guy Bessler said, they will never be happy untill they have the secrete of your device. If you have worked on this thing for 25 years, you deserve some reward. Dont give in to the pressure,its obvious that an NDA means nothing to some of these people, go back and read page 1 of this thread, I am very suprised you are not retaining a lawyer, be very careful, some of these people will take your Idea and make it their own!

Dr., Sorry but I must disagree. Without proof of operation there is nothing to steal. Especially
if the operation of the device violates existing scientific law - the first step must be a valid experimental
demonstration of it's operation. If you don't "they" will hire an expert witness who will state
that whatever you claim of it "is scientifically impossible". So, you are going to need to take
risks if you want those rewards. Don't forget that to the extent you protect your rights today
people who eventually buy those rights will use them to keep society in the dark about how
your unit operates and then Society will never see the benefits.

So I would say, find someone on this site that you think you can trust based on what they
have posted, skip the NDA because they are experts and probably have looked at things like
it before, especially if it relatively simple and lacks complexity and retain them to evaluate
your device and post the results here. I think you may be surprised at how much the situation
changes for the better.

:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on August 11, 2008, 09:08:16 PM
My machine is not Perpetual Motion, it uses Gravity to operate.

The machine remains overbalance at all times.
If built correctly, it can have extra power left over for other uses.
I need to have a tachometer, braking system and a small genorator connected to this machine in order to prove its ability. It produces what it needs to run itself, then what is left over can be connected to a genorator.
It really is strait forward, when you find out how it works, you will kick yourself in the ???.
It is expandable and the only limitation so far is the lenght of the spokes. I believe this too can be solved.
When you were still in school, remember the math question you could not get, then it hit you,...it is just like that.

Darrell

PS  The drawing that was just posted, remember weight removal, if weights are on ramps, the weight is not 100 percent on the spokes.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: Sprocket on August 11, 2008, 11:01:08 PM
I've posted the sentiment before but I think it warrants repeating:

So far, despite dozens of granted patents, over more than 100 years, nobody has been allowed to develop and profit from FE devices!  Yet, like donkeys in a mule-train, people still continue to line up with their patent applications, blinded by the lure of fame & fortune, either believing or desperately hoping that they will prove the exception to the rule...  Sad - for humanity... :(
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: maw2432 on August 11, 2008, 11:27:35 PM
I saw this a few years ago.... look at posted reply #32  photo....

At about 2 O'clock there are 2 wooden (what looks like 1" x 3" wide boards) that stick out to right and intersect where (what looks like round magnets) centered on outer of  each wheel arm.   Also, it looks like there are some wires that lead off to the right of the boards in the photo. 

I suggest this could be an electromagnet that moves the wheel.   

Does anyone else see this possiblilty?

Not to suggest there is no OU ....but how it works.

Bill
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on August 12, 2008, 12:02:53 AM
Bill,

They were 2x3 boards and threaded rod.
They were put in place to keep the frame steady.
Alot of mistakes were made, the spokes were 3/4 inch round and they would move side to side when moving over the top.

Darrell, the builder of that machine.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: nwman on August 12, 2008, 02:14:50 AM
FYI

I have posted a lot about Darrell's work in the past and I can tell you that unless me has totally come up with something new from the ground up since the last time he posted he is intentionally or unintentionally wrong. Years ago I worked on this exact design and was able to completely calculate out all the mathematics of the design and it can not work on paper. Now I'm not saying it doesn't work in real life but that physics are simple. I do not have time at the moment to write a paper to you about how it doesn't work but maybe in the future.

My really point here is that Darrell is very misleading. I have offered to give him a NDA, money, my time and any thing he would need to get this off the ground and he wouldn't take it. He made all these claims and wanted money and help but he wouldn't take it when offered. He has been dragging this topic out over "years" with no advancement. He has been waiting for people to forget about how he has nothing to stand on with this idea. With out any slander I think he gits a kick out of the attention. If you want to wait your time I won't discourage you but there are many better ideas int he work on this site that are open and have a lot more physics going for them this this idea.

Good luck all and take it from me stay away from Darrel unless he gives you everything with no strings attached.

Tim

ps  I will not post again on this thread because I a have waisted enough time with this.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: maw2432 on August 12, 2008, 01:49:38 PM
Darrel,

Why don't you patent your invention online yourself. 
Filing a provisional application for patent through LegalZoom or any number of other online patent companys is quick and easy and inexpensive. ( less then $300 for some online applications.)   This would protect your invention with a provisional "patent pending" status.  It gives your invention a priority filing date with the U.S. Patent Office and grants you "patent pending" status for a full year.

You can use this time to safely discuss your invention with others, evaluate its commercial potential and seek funding.  Maybe it needs to be proven to work by replication etc.  Once proven to work through replication and scientific peer evaluation,  you would have less trouble getting a large company to purchase manufacturing and development rights from you.   

If it can be replicated and you hold the provisonal "patent pending" status... It would be much easier to get the patent granted with the patent office.   By letting others replicate and evaluate your work you get to solve many problems that a manufacturing company would want you to have solved before they purchase rights or pay royalities. 

You may have read before that IBM makes over 1 Billion dollars per year just on royalities that other companys pay them on their patents.

If your machine really works go for it.

Bill   
   
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: VANDUGEGS on August 12, 2008, 06:25:12 PM
I must say, maybe it is my lack of education or just being stubborn with my set of strategies, that I have not just given away everything I have worked for, for so many years.
I have always believed that this machine, along with its protection, must be introduced with care and in such a way that it cannot be berried or absorbed by another.

I can understand why people think, just put a simple patent on it and release it to the world. I am unable to do anything, if I could , I would.

I have a thought in mind and I do read all posts to get more informed with other possibilities.

Darrell

PS  Why not work with anyone that offers. Some you can trust, some you just can't seem to..
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: Charlie_V on August 12, 2008, 06:41:55 PM
Why are you posting here Vandugegs?  This forum is to instruct people how to build a machine, not say you have one and never explain?  What are your goals for posting here?  We aren't going to give you money.
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: FreeEnergy on August 19, 2008, 09:19:29 PM
VANDUGEGS -

PLEASE GO AWAY!

 >:( :( :P :-[ :-\ ::)
Title: Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
Post by: TholfPaftjaltlkk on June 16, 2012, 02:03:15 AM
Just wanted to say - Great Forum!!!  It has helped me tons.