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Offline VANDUGEGS

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #135 on: July 26, 2007, 01:02:00 AM »
Hello  Stefan,

I believe I have found a cad program that I can put a simulation of my machine on.

I will send it to just about anybody, that first signs an NDA.

I think this will be usfull, for some of the measuements can be changed to get the required power output.

On another note, I think the main problem some of you have had, is your design is to small. ( You cannot multiply torque, if you don't have the diameter).

Darrell

PS     I wish I could just sell this machine to someone that will move it forward. I  could wait for 2 months while they build their own machine as proff of concept. It's funny that no one will sign up and build their own??

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Offline Dingus Mungus

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #136 on: July 26, 2007, 01:17:27 AM »
Most of us are really busy with other open source projects currently. :-\
I would like to take a closer look at your device when it is fully disclosed.
In the mean time, no one here would buy an unverified technology...

Good luck on your research,
~Dingus Mungus

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #137 on: August 06, 2007, 09:24:41 PM »
Well said Dingus Mungus. As soon as we get details we would get to building. The only way to validate is to replicate.

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« Reply #137 on: August 06, 2007, 09:24:41 PM »
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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #138 on: August 09, 2007, 12:43:02 AM »
Hello Everyone,

I have no problem with someone building this machine. All I need is for them to sign an NDA and be willing to build at the same time, along with a time frame in mind.
We would have to come to some agreements and offcourse I would preferr if they live in Canada. The location is not first and formost..
I would suggest a machine about 7 feet in height and some other details that are new to this design.
If you are willing, the sooner the better.

As always, Take care

Darrell

PS  You can make contact at >>  VANDUGEGS@YAHOO.CA
« Last Edit: August 10, 2007, 06:51:02 PM by VANDUGEGS »

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #139 on: August 11, 2007, 08:32:01 PM »
Hello  Stefan,

I believe I have found a cad program that I can put a simulation of my machine on.

I will send it to just about anybody, that first signs an NDA.

I think this will be useful, for some of the measurements can be changed to get the required power output.

On another note, I think the main problem some of you have had, is your design is to small. ( You cannot multiply torque, if you don't have the diameter).

Darrell

PS     I wish I could just sell this machine to someone that will move it forward. I  could wait for 2 months while they build their own machine as proof of concept. It's funny that no one will sign up and build their own??


Darrel,

First of all absolutely do not take my word for this. However, I have done the math on the "OU wheel" and I have the equations that simplify the basic physics principle and prove mathematically it doesn't work. I haven't had the time to organize the equations in an explanatory fashion but I plan on it someday soon. The key culprit is the how the ratio between the work formula in respects to the rotational work done by the wheel to the linear work needed to lift the weights up and how they scale up when you increase the size of the wheel. Anyways, I myself still feel I could be wrong or maybe it does work and the math we have is faulty when expressing the physics behind an OU wheel.

What I plan to show in my proof is the physics breakdown of the basic principles in an OU wheel. Step by step like I did in my other documents showing how you would calculate the forces and work down by the rotation and the energy needed to lift. Also showing how scaling the wheel effects the calculations. Really all the math is shown in my previous post but I just have to do is put it into words and create the logic train to explain them.

This is how I can help you and I'm pretty sure you won't go for it but if you can show me a video with a full rotation, if not two, I will see that it gets built and you get credit. I will not sign a NDA because I am working on the same idea and by signing it I wouldn't be able to do anything with mine. I would have no problem signing one if it was worded in such a way that I couldn't disclose any proprietary design that you have Solly come up with and/or until it was proven to not work. Basically something that would allow you to keep it security and not strip me of any wrights to my designs. As a profesional courtesy I will give you my word you will receive credit for your work.

Tim

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #139 on: August 11, 2007, 08:32:01 PM »
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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #140 on: August 11, 2007, 09:34:05 PM »
Hello Tim,

If you need information, ask Fletcher.

Darrell



« Last Edit: August 12, 2007, 11:10:35 PM by VANDUGEGS »

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #141 on: August 11, 2007, 11:09:55 PM »
Darrell,

It?s been over a year since your first claim. Not to mention you?re ?working on a gravity powered machine for 25 years??

You probably know that beside school, every single lesson in our short life teaches us that there is no free lunch and in order to produce energy/power you need to consume something else. The problem I see with all of the gravity machines is that they hardly may consume something? Is the gravity going to decrease on the whole Earth or something similar when using it? I really doubt.

In the light above, you?re asking for signing an NDA?
That request and some other posts sounded very doubtful, to say at least.

Don?t you think it would be more natural to take the following steps?
1. To post at least one clear video on the working device. No details are needed but revealing the fact that is not being powered from outside (i.e. no power cables, tubes etc) and from inside (i.e. no batteries, electric or pneumatic motors etc) and the work it can produce, at least for 5-10 mins or so.
2. To explain to me / to us/ what do you think the machine consumes when producing power.

Tx,
Tinu

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #141 on: August 11, 2007, 11:09:55 PM »
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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #142 on: August 12, 2007, 12:36:18 AM »
I don't understand as people lose the life trying these things.
Those devices need a lot of work to produce something useful.

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #143 on: August 12, 2007, 02:27:03 AM »
Darrel,

 I have done the math on increasing and decreasing the different variables and how they scale up and down. The math still says it should not work. Now when you just said:

Two workings of this machine, that most people do not see, let alone understand, would probably need to be part of the math. It is one of these that will turn your light on.
If it was easy, formula rearrangement would have worked.

Have these "Two workings" been left out of the photos you have posted and sent me? I feel I understand all the of workings of your design.

I don't have a lot of time to reply here but I did want to run one more thing by you. I will sign your NDA and do everything in my powers to help you if you can provide me with the following after signing:

1) A full, detailed video of at least 2 or more rotations. With no noise besides the machine.
2) Full disclosure and details of what ever it is you think makes it run.
3) If I'm convinced I would like to fly to you and see it in person for review.
4) What is the current status of the wheel(s)?
5) What do you want from me or what can I provide to help you?

Let me know.

Tim

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #143 on: August 12, 2007, 02:27:03 AM »
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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #144 on: August 12, 2007, 03:34:23 AM »
darrell .. that imo is a very generous offer by Tim & you should seriously consider his terms as a fair means to get the independent verification for your wheel, that you so need in the eyes of forum members & potential associates, going forward !

I would point out, as I did on Besslerwheel.com, that a video of a wheel self starting & rotating a quarter turn [as I understand] is way insufficient rotation to prove any contestable points about your wheel.

As you must be aware, any independent spoke design has a major draw back that can give fictitious results to the unwary. As the spokes are connected at the hub & have no circumference rim support they are prone to geometric wander i.e. the segments are not all equal angles [unless very carefully machined & supported indeed].

This means that the wheel is not balanced [without the weights & weight shifting devices] & wants to keel i.e. find its point of rest at lowest Potential Energy. This will cause a spontaneous rotation until it is bottom heavy. Therefore, it is necessary to self start the wheel for demonstration purposes 180 degrees apart to see if it continues to accelerate in the same direction. In the same light, I can well understand the request for a video showing multiple full rotations before forking out for a plane ticket.

This doesn't seem too much to ask, to help establish your bona fides in a contentious field often liberally sprinkled with unsubstantiated claims, from some people whose motivations are surely & often attention seeking ! JMO's.

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #145 on: August 12, 2007, 04:45:21 AM »
If you have an open mind, fine, if not, Good Bye.

Darrell
« Last Edit: August 12, 2007, 11:08:23 PM by VANDUGEGS »

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #146 on: August 12, 2007, 06:44:07 AM »
Darrell .. this thread is sadly deja vu. I don't think you will ever succeed in enticing anyone to 'invest' in you if you cannot objectively negotiate towards compromise, with both yourself & the other person?s interests fairly represented. You don't seem to respond intelligibly to people who make genuine overtures to you [like Tim & others] to get the legitimacy of your claims actually resolved & documented. I can only conclude from this that this actually isn't your aim & you have a completely different agenda.

You just need one knowledgeable person to independently verify your claims, but of course, if they had signed an overly restrictive nda then they would not be able to say publicly what they concluded, whether good or bad, & so this forum would be none the wiser.

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #147 on: August 12, 2007, 09:37:19 AM »
Darrel,
   What is your responce to my offer? You totaly avoided my offer when I beleive is the best offer you have reveived from a credable source. I have been kind and I'm not feeling the love! What is your answer? No one will try to recreate your wheel or give you money or help you in any more of a way then you have recieved already untill you can show a video of a clear 2+ rotations. I'm willing to sign a NDA and if convinced I'll help you. That is what your asking right? AAAAHHHHHHH! Don't make us put you on a black list on this site too. I hate to say it but this is your last chance with me!

Tim

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #148 on: August 12, 2007, 09:48:59 AM »
it's sad but hey what can you do? lol

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #149 on: August 12, 2007, 09:42:17 PM »
I take my time when answering an important post and the offer withen.

PEACE
« Last Edit: August 12, 2007, 11:05:32 PM by VANDUGEGS »

 

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