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Author Topic: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!  (Read 101737 times)

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #105 on: November 24, 2006, 07:06:32 PM »
slncspkr,

(( words are meaningless now these days.))

Unfortunetly a hand shake is not enough and as you say, people, espeacially in this case, do not believe someone can build a Gravty machine. Pepole can not agree on what needs to be proven as to an operating machine. Maybe this should be agreed upon, first. I have already ststed what I belive it should be able to do.

People continue to say I do not have a machine. Their are many that have seen what I have been able to build, unfortunetly, some have no idea how it works and only a few understand most of it.

((sorry darrell but i do'nt think you have or know how to put a machine like that together, because in the first place if you knew how to put it together you would not need to call on engineers to build it for you.
jose.))

Engineers are needed to build larger machines in order to have the safety and the structural integrity that will odviously be required for the future. Today, I believe the place for these machines are on the farms across this land and give the farmers a breek from their energy bills.

Darrell

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #106 on: December 27, 2006, 10:02:25 AM »
So Darrell, I was fallowing this thread and stopped for a while so please forgive me if you already covered this but one question I have for you.... Does your design or calculations redefine any current laws? I would assume your tweaking the concepts of gravity but do you adhere to all other mathematics? I just want to know if you have done the math on it or if your going my observations alone?

Tim

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #107 on: December 27, 2006, 11:32:52 AM »
Hi NWMAN

This Darrell Vandugegs is nothing than a O/U wannabe!!!

His used by date has long ago expired. He is trash from yesteryear!! ...I know it, "Beslerwheel.com" knows it, and  Hartiberlin knows it !!! .....................So lets give it a miss for Humanity's sake!!



(Lets cut to the chase,,,,,,"he's just a little fart-ass parasite" !!!)


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« Reply #107 on: December 27, 2006, 11:32:52 AM »
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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #108 on: December 27, 2006, 07:11:21 PM »
sevich,
    I agree with you but I wanted to give him a "little" credit. So far no one has been able to prove him wrong mathematically. I feel when I can get an extra second I can put his design to rest. In my own research I have mathematically calculated all the important variables in such a wheel and can prove the math shows it doesn't work conclusively. That is unless he is calming some variation to know mathematics which he is still probably wrong. If no one is interested in it I don't want to was my time.?

Tim

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #109 on: December 27, 2006, 07:21:51 PM »
Hello Tim,

?>> Does your design or calculations redefine any current laws? I would assume your tweaking the concepts of gravity but do you adhere to all other mathematics? I just want to know if you have done the math on it or if your going my observations alone?<<
I used more math, after I built the experiments and finished the Gravity machine, for at the beginning, all I did was use commen sience and solved the problems as they showed themselves. I've been called many things, the one I preferr is a jack-of-all-trades. Working around machinery and on farms has helped. Their is not much equipment, that I have used, that I have not been able to.....adjust for the better.
I started out working with air under water about 30 years ago then switched to gravity. The air under water still looks good.
I now have a spreedsheet that does the calculations for sizes of machines.
The machine is a puzzle, when you know the basic pieces,( weights and measurements ) what goes around, comes around.
Current laws, it's hard to say but I believe this could be the eighth wounder of the world.

Darrell

PS If you or any member would like to talk, I am on MSN
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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #109 on: December 27, 2006, 07:21:51 PM »
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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #110 on: December 27, 2006, 08:11:50 PM »
Tim,

Tim, you seem interested in the math. When I did the math on the six foot machine I only had 8.5 inch/lbs left over at start up. Not very much for a machine that is about 275 lbs. The math has been done by someone that seems very good with the numbers and they come up with a coaster or a machine that equals out, meaning it produces the same amount of power as is needed by the machine to operate.
People say you need to think outside the box, I have never seen the box. I think people may be put into the box as they are being tought in school, saying this is possible, that is not.
The thing to remember is, the person that builds the Gravity Machine is the person that can expand the Gravity Machine.

Darrell

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #111 on: December 27, 2006, 09:22:47 PM »
uh huh. suuuuuuure lol
did you want cash with that? lol
how stupid do you think people are?  :-\ lol

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #112 on: December 27, 2006, 10:03:33 PM »
Darrell,

Some more questions for you that you may or may not want to answer. On a wheel you think would work answer these questions:

How many weights?

How heavy is each weight?

How far do the weights off set/lift on the over balanced side?

What is the radius of the wheel?


I can guess from the pictures you have posted but I thought I might as well ask.

Tim


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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #113 on: December 27, 2006, 10:07:55 PM »
Hi Darrell,
I am sorry to say this but there is no possible way that your device could work, unless part of your wheel is sitting in some strange dimension where the gravitational pull is a lot greater than normal.
A person that talks about gravity machines needs to be in a box, a padded one with a lock on the door.
This idea falls into the same category as buoyancy projects, they cannot work and if you want to, I will explain why not.

Give it your best shot and explain to me how it can work....

(I saw this one chap who built a monster Bessler wheel in his garden, at the cost of his family, job and everything, what a waste - and that never worked either)

Regards

Rob

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #113 on: December 27, 2006, 10:07:55 PM »
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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #114 on: December 28, 2006, 01:00:07 AM »
I would like to comment on Kingrs comments. I agree so far it seems to be impossible to harness gravity but I do believe that everything should always be questioned again and again. Since we do not know what causes gravity there is still room for new discoveries. I'm fairly confident Darrell's' doesn't work but I won't shut him down blindly if he is willing and able to express his idea for pear review. If he can answer my last questiong then I will know for sure if his design will work.


Tim

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #115 on: December 28, 2006, 10:16:44 AM »
Hi Tim,
Yes, I would agree, maybe I was a bit hasty there.
After I posted the comment, I drew an idea out on paper and now I am convinced it can work.  I think I lost a few hours sleep just trying to think of ways you could construct a proof of concept device.

Idea 1.
Using 360 ball bearings for weights attached to wheel at 1 degree intervals in a sliding cage with two possible positions on the radius, say 10cm and 20cm from the hub.
When each ball (10cm radius position) reaches the top (0 degrees) it engages a horizontal track with a very slight gradient, enough for the ball to roll, with the cage either side of the track.
The wheel continues to rotate and when 45 degrees rotation is reached the ball drops off the end of the track and is locked into the 20cm position. I need to check my maths on this as I am not sure if at 45 degrees the radius will be double or more.

With the wheel rotating clockwise the rotational force of the right side will be much greater than the left side and will continue to rotate.

When the wheel reaches 135 degrees, the ball engages a second lower track to roll back to its 10cm radius position where it is locked into place at 180 degrees until it reaches 0 to start all over again.

At any given time there are going to be 90 balls on the two horizontal tracks (45 on each) but because of the sum of the forces for the remaining 270 balls are out of balance the wheel will continue to rotate.
Even though you have 180 ball bearings on the upward side and 90 on the downward side the majority of the torque is created at between 45 degrees and 135 degrees, also and most important, you have twice the torque on the right hand side for this segment.

Where at 0 degrees to 45 and 135 to 180 there is very little.
With a few calculations I could work out the difference.

So I am asking myself now, where is the flaw in this design?
I have looked at all the angles I can think of.
I will need to write a small program to work out the energy created and to calculate the minimum number of spokes to get rotation.
4 would be the minimum I guess. 8 would be better.

Regards

Rob

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #115 on: December 28, 2006, 10:16:44 AM »
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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #116 on: December 28, 2006, 06:15:27 PM »
Hi Tim,
After carefully drawing it out and using a marked out CD and substitute weights (some capacitors) I did a dry run of what should be happening and what the torque would be for any given position. It started to look promising until I realized that the extra radius at 45 degrees is not 2 x but only 1.4 x.
This then puts a real damper on the whole thing.
I carried on and did a spreadsheet to work out the exact torque values and guess what, it balances out exactly, so no net gain, no over-unity.

So there we have it, I cannot see how it can work but I would love to be proved wrong.

See attached spreadsheet for the figures and calculations.

Regards

Rob


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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #117 on: December 28, 2006, 07:26:08 PM »
kingrs,

>>unless part of your wheel is sitting in some strange dimension<<

I was asked if my machine was pointing north, it was.
I do not think it matters.

You asked some questions, so I took a look at what video's I mite be able to post and they all showed to much, I will keep looking.
All I will say is do not build to small, the machine needs to have some weight to it. After all, it uses this weight to operate the machine.

Remaimber,( Divide and conqour ).

Darrell

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #118 on: December 28, 2006, 08:07:27 PM »
I said I would keep looking, so here it is. This video shows an experiment a few years ago.
It should be odvious that I have done more then just paper work.

Let me know what you think &

  Have a Happy New Year

Darrell

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #119 on: December 28, 2006, 09:50:32 PM »
I said I would keep looking, so here it is. This video shows an experiment a few years ago.
It should be odvious that I have done more then just paper work.

Let me know what you think &

  Have a Happy New Year

Darrell

uh huh here we go again....lol

sorry but that video is just plain crap. good day sir.

peace

 

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