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VANDUGEGS

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #90 on: November 22, 2006, 12:54:49 AM »
Hello, future investor(s)? Or just the interested.

I have made some interesting changes, with regard to a new scaled down machine, regarding the scaling down of my six foot Gravity Machine. (Their is a need to scale up, then down, then adjust accordingly).
Years ago I did not think it possible but with some interesting spreed sheets that I have just completed, it would seem very likely that I can build a small machine,(Pete).
In the past, I have had conversations with people, regarding small machines and at that time I did not believe it would have any extra power. It is now odvious that a small machine will rotate,( or coast ) but without very much extra power.
My six foot machine had one weight, on one spoke, at the 45 degree location, this weight was not at it's best position, on it's own spoke. With the use of a torque spreed sheet I have arrived at a measurment of 8.5 inch/lbs, this made the difference between start up or not, having the weight on the end of it's own spoke or not.
I am now able to build a 28 inch, Gravity Machine, ( only for coasting ). Offcourse this machine uses it's own power, to run itself.
Out of 110 inch/lbs of torque, on the six foot machine, It only had an extra 8.5 inch/lbs at start up. As you know, it takes more to get something moving, then to keep it moving.

It will be 4 years on January 4 th, when I made my first video and I have never really done any serious searching for investors.
If you would like to get involved, let me know what you can do and we will start from their.

Darrell Vandusen Sr
« Last Edit: November 22, 2006, 07:57:16 PM by VANDUGEGS »

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #91 on: November 22, 2006, 07:57:15 PM »
Hi Darrel,
you still fail to deliver a conclusive video of a working machine. Maybe you should first present a working device video from your current machine, before you dream of any new one and try to fish new investors ???

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #92 on: November 22, 2006, 08:35:26 PM »
Hello Stefan,

It is still good to hear from you.

(you still fail to deliver a conclusive video of a working machine. Maybe you should first present a working device video from your current machine, before you dream of any new one and try to fish new investors)

I do not go fishing, that is why I am still sitting as I was 4 years ago, brock, like most inventors.
After having something that worked, it is easy to scale up or down, something that is just a machine.
As far as saying I have failed to deliever a video, I would say I have made a choice not to hand over, what took more then 20 years to achive. I made a list of what not to do and I have seen that it works. I asked a person to delete all information and they did not. It turns out, that if I had sent a full video, it would be out and about, as we speak. I have, however, decided to show a limited video, so as to find a person that understands what they are looking at. (no insult intended, to anyone). When all is said and done, those that have had an opperatunity to see anything I have sent them, with regard to my Gravity machine, they will fully understand. The video is like a running machine, how much is enough, one hour of rotation, while under load?? What is enough for everyone??
It is my belief, that a Gravity machine should start itself, reach an RPM, be purpusely slowed down, then released to return to the oreginal RPM.

I believe I can build a machine as small as 28 inches. (A coaster)

What has anyone else done lately?

Darrell

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #93 on: November 22, 2006, 10:19:26 PM »
"I have, however, decided to show a limited video, so as to find a person that understands what they are looking at. (no insult intended, to anyone)."

 ::) lol!

anyways good luck buddy.

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #94 on: November 23, 2006, 12:09:47 AM »
Hi Darrel, if you don?t want to show a video, why don?t you invite some people from this forum to come to your place and wittness the machine live to see under NDA and have them posted their impressions ? Sterling D. Allan wanted to send you one of his colleagues, but you also refused that...

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #95 on: November 23, 2006, 12:34:51 AM »
Hi Stefan,

I do not recall refusing anyone from coming to see the machine.
Their would have had to be a very good reason for the visit.
The man at the garage has stopped working on the machine, so as to put his full time and energies into his own work. and the machine has again been tacken down.
I sit with pieces of two machines, some in Edmonton and some here.
The only thing I can do at this time, would be for us to find someone that has a background in mechanical engineering and has been agreed to, bye both of us and others that are interested in the results. The video and photo's, could be sent to this person, along with a time for a conference call, so an explaintion of what they are looking at, can be given. Preferrably this person is known and what they have to say will be tacken as fact. The question is, who. I will not keep sending this video to more and more people. The same goes for NDA's.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this matter?

Darrell

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #96 on: November 23, 2006, 12:57:58 AM »
Hi Darrel,
so it seems you have no own place to work on the machine and
it is not built up right now ? right ?
Can?t you rent a garage or something like this and
built it up yourself ?
Maybe if you can find somebody locally at your place ( where are you living right
nowin which town ?) who can put this machine into his garage, if you don?t have the
money to rent one, you both can work on it.

It would help, that you could show a video, where the whole wheel
would have been shown making at least 2 or 3 complete revolutions on its
own, so one can see, that it is not faked and runs on its own
energy.
If you show this from a distance, one can also not see much,
how it really works... but you never supplied such a video
and thus it is hard to find somebody, who will still trus you.
As you did also receive quite some money from someone from the
besslerwheel.com forum and you did not show him aworking prototype,
he does not also trust you anymore and now your dilema is,
that you also have no space to build up the machine again...
So you better look out for your old videos and try
to find a convincing one, if the machine ever worked, as you claimed...
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #97 on: November 23, 2006, 02:02:00 AM »
There is no reason not to Open Source this, you will get the full credit on this if that's what you are worried about. The Open Source community is huge and i'd say it is a solid ground from which you can have a solid foundation.


peace

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #98 on: November 23, 2006, 04:23:48 AM »
Hi Stefan,

((so it seems you have no own place to work on the machine and
it is not built up right now ? right ?))
The only time I had my own place was 14 years ago, now I only have a table that I can work on. This is why I have looked into a smaller scaled down machine.

((Can?t you rent a garage or something like this and built it up yourself ?))
I am lucky to have a place to live. I have no money to rent anything else.

((Maybe if you can find somebody locally at your place ( where are you living right
nowin which town ?) who can put this machine into his garage, if you don?t have the
money to rent one, you both can work on it.))
I just tried that. He stopped after 1.5 years.

((As you did also receive quite some money from someone from the besslerwheel.com forum and you did not show him aworking prototype,))
Who says what was or was not shown.
Convincing someone, that the machine works, as claimed, is a matter of showing the correct information to a person that can understand that information and if they do not, then another explaination is needed, untill they do. Finding a person that can understand this machine and also have the funding to move it forward, would be hard to do. I have meet people that do understand the machine but they do not have the needed funding.
I have an offer on the table but I do not have the funds to arrive at their location and show them the how and whys of the machine. I believe that all I need to do is see them in person and everthing will work out.
It is a ------- shame, that for under 1,000.00 this could all be over in a mater of months.

Do you think I would travel to meet with someone if I did not have the information needed?

Regards, Darrell.

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #99 on: November 23, 2006, 11:51:55 AM »
so you just need $1,000?

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #100 on: November 23, 2006, 01:25:36 PM »
VANDUGEGS,

I Just happen to have a spare five thousand bucks to invest in your "working wheel" .......YEAH RIGHT!!



Your debt to poore old Clarkie from "besslerwheel.com" sits at roughly $15.000 while you continue to ignore repayments.  (you're in default big time) ...LOL



HOW DARE YOU SEEK INVESTORS  ....you snake!



anton





« Last Edit: November 23, 2006, 09:48:37 PM by sevich »

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #101 on: November 23, 2006, 07:48:06 PM »
slncspkr,

I will explain, the reason for the amount of $1,000.00

When I took a plane to Toronto, I had everything tacken care of, plane fare, accomidations, taxi, everything, both ways. Except for the unexpeted. When I arrived at the hotel, they needed a deposit for the room, I had a bank  account and used some of the funds. I was lucky I was not empty handed. Pete said he would take care of everything and he did. Befoore I arrived back in Edmonton, everything was tacken care of as he said it would be.
If I did not have some of my own funds, then a problem may have happened.
The funds for the trip are for the unforceen, I do not want to arrive empty handed. The extra is for the unknowen, what ever is left can be returned.

Darrell

PS Maybe I should tell the story from 14 years ago?

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #102 on: November 24, 2006, 01:22:04 AM »
Hi Darrel,
it seems from the conversation I have seen on Besslerwheel.com,
that you take money from other people and don?t show them anything for it
and use every excuse what you can find to prevent them seeing something...

I guess, if you really have something it is time to come forward publically
and show something real working...

Other inventors must also work for their living to finance their hobby to
build these devices, why do you just try to fool investors, so that you don?t need
to work and get financed without delivering proof of concept ?

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #103 on: November 24, 2006, 02:16:32 AM »
Hi Stefan,

((it seems from the conversation I have seen on Besslerwheel.com,
that you take money from other people and don?t show them anything for it
and use every excuse what you can find to prevent them seeing something...))

When I read this, it sounds like I have dealt with alot of people. I have traveled to see only one person, I have showen that person enought for them to decide wether to continue or not. That one person made their own choice. I do not use excuses, I only show what I can. If what I show is not good enough or they cannot understand, then they should not get involved.

((I guess, if you really have something it is time to come forward publically
and show something real working...))

Like I have said, I will not toss away 25 years of work, only to prove to a few people, what I have and that is if they can even understand what they are looking at.

((Other inventors must also work for their living to finance their hobby to
build these devices, why do you just try to fool investors, so that you don?t need
to work and get financed without delivering proof of concept ?))

Like I said, I would not won't any funding from anyone who does not understand what they are doing.
I am not tring to fool anyone. They can sign an NDA and if I decide they can do something that will benifit the company, then I make the final decision.

Each person should make their own decisions, not only from what they read but from the facts..
 
Darrell
 

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #104 on: November 24, 2006, 08:47:39 AM »
@darrell
 words are meaningless now these days.
if i had a working machine like the one you said you have or if i knew how to build it and i was sure is going to work. I look for a job and then make some money. and then start putting the machine together. and then i'd all my money back after showing it, because just by showing it with a scientific proof that the machine works you can make a lot more than $1,000.00.
sorry darrell but i do'nt think you have or know how to put a machine like that together, because in the first place if you knew how to put it together you would not need to call on engineers to build it for you.
jose.