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Offline FreeEnergy

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #150 on: August 12, 2007, 09:52:05 PM »
please go away unless you're willing to Open Source this thing.

by the way Welcome to OverUnity.com The International open source free energy research forum.



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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #151 on: August 13, 2007, 02:20:52 AM »
I take my time when answering an important post and the offer withen.

PEACE

OK ,go ahead and take your time, but what have you been doing for the last 1-25+ years? Just don't take too long or I will come up with it on my own! lol. I don't want you to be on my bad side. I'm really a nice guy. One simple question though is if you do have in your possession and able to send to me a video clearly showing 2+ rotations? If you don't have this then there is no point in further talks.

Thanks,

Tim

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #152 on: August 14, 2007, 12:07:14 AM »
Tim,

Maybe you would send me a video or even a picture of what you are, or were, working on.

It would be interesting if those that have something to say, would leed with what they have done themselves. I do not see why people cannot show what they have tried and failed with. This would show people, what not to do and that they are not all talk, no show. I for one, would love to look at the things people have tried, maybe we can figure out what went wrong. Yes, if I seen the answer to a problem, I would share the informaton with its inventor and shareing with the forum, would and should be up to them to decide.

The more thiings on the market, the better.

Darrell
« Last Edit: August 14, 2007, 01:04:39 AM by VANDUGEGS »

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #153 on: August 14, 2007, 06:37:08 AM »
Darrell,

Feel free to check out all the post I have started on there. I also worked a little bit on Tom's SMOT idea and tested and found his video and conclusions were wrong. I'll put links to these threads if you need but its late again and I don't have the time now.

Tim

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« Reply #154 on: August 16, 2007, 08:45:19 PM »
OK, while I'm waiting to hear your answer let me ask you this. You should be able to give me an immediate answer on this with no obligation of anything. If you do decide to let me sign a NDA can and will you provide the fallowing after signing?

1) A video showing:
 Clearly, you starting the wheel by letting go of the wheel in a stopped position and it start to rotate on its own like you showed in the video you posted and with out editing show it rotating at least 2+ full revolutions with eceleration?

2) Photos or video and description of all parts and principles and how they work? I think I know but just in case there is something I'm missing.

3) Allow me to see the wheel in action? Is the wheel able to preform at this current moment in time and or what is needed to get it running again?

A copy of the NDA would be nice too.

Answer these question in your next response please. If you can not then you are obviously avoiding having your work validated and refusing help to develop it. In which case I am not interested in helping you and you will be on my bad side.

Tim


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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #155 on: August 16, 2007, 10:32:53 PM »
Tim,

Maybe you would send me a video or even a picture of what you are, or were, working on.

It would be interesting if those that have something to say, would leed with what they have done themselves. I do not see why people cannot show what they have tried and failed with. This would show people, what not to do and that they are not all talk, no show. I for one, would love to look at the things people have tried, maybe we can figure out what went wrong. Yes, if I seen the answer to a problem, I would share the informaton with its inventor and shareing with the forum, would and should be up to them to decide.

The more thiings on the market, the better.

Darrell

Darrell,
Your post concerns me.  If you already have created a working system, why would you have any interest in seeing failed attempts?  You have made it very clear that you don't want to give away your 25 years of investment, so "The more thiings on the market, the better" doesn't seem to be consistent with your desire to profit from your invention.

If other inventions are demonstrated to work before you can prove yours, you will have lost first-mover advantage, which in business is a very big deal. 

Example: if Tim gets a version to work and goes public with it, he will get the initial investors and publicity.  So when you afterward show a working device, you will be perceived as a "copycat" by the press, and investors will have to consider you quite differently.  As a second place OU device, to get an investors attention you will have to show one or more of the following:

1) Your invention is significantly superior to Tim's
2) You have experience in the energy industry or consumer/industrial product production (making you a good choice to manage a new business)
3) You have unique knowledge in the mechanics of OU device making
4) You have a strong educational background in a related field (physics, ee, etc)

My point is that you will be in a much weaker position to get investment.  That doesn?t mean it will be impossible, just that your ?value? to an investor will be more based on your personal strengths.  If you are lacking the formal education in the related sciences, and don?t have a resume loaded with related experience then you are at a huge disadvantage here.  An investor will more likely hire an engineer and have him copy Tim?s device (especially easy if Tim goes opensource!).  Then he?ll establish manufacturing, sales, marketing, and all the other elements of the business.  Do you see yourself fitting in as an employee of this new company?
 
I agree that a market for OU would have many competing products, the question is are you destroying your chances for getting anything out of your work by not coming forward now before someone else figures out how to make this work. 

There occurs to me one other possible motivation for you not proving your invention and asking others to show their failed attempts.  Perhaps your device doesn?t work, like many OU attempts it gets ?stuck? at a certain point.  If you could get others here to post their similar attempts, and to talk discuss those failures, then perhaps you could learn something that could help you get your device fixed so that it runs continuously instead of just partially. 

I?m not trying to accuse you of anything, that would be silly because I just don?t know what the reality is.  But I am trying to relate to you that if you really have achieved closed loop OU and you don?t move NOW you may seriously regret your short sighted fear of your invention being stolen.

I speak from experience here.  My grandfather had some great inventions, that he was too fearful to show potential investors.  I learned from his mistakes, I have multiple patents pending (computer technology, not related to OU), I?ve started several businesses, I?ve worked with investors and have experienced the fear of having my inventions stolen.  I?ve also several times not followed through on an invention only to see someone else get it to market before me, making the millions that could have been mine. 

I honestly hope you have achieved OU, and that you have the guts to see it through.  If not, someone else will.

Regards,
jeffc

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #156 on: August 17, 2007, 01:00:11 AM »
Hello Tim & All Members,

My interest in asking for others to show a picture or even a video is two fold.
First, it shows that they have done something in this regard and second, I?m just curious. I may be able to point someone in the correct direction.. I would like to talk with someone that has got their hands dirty, not just sim's or drawings.

What I would like to have happen, is for anyone interested, including Tim, would be to talk with people over MSN, before going much farther.
I think talking and asking some questions, is not much to ask for.

The best thing that could happen. A farmer that would like to have thier own power supply, calls me and asks me to build them a machine, that has the ability to produce over one meggwatt of power. This,.. would be interesting.

Darrell

PS I have been on this forum for some time now, not to much has changed. I think it will soon be time for this, to come to an end. Lets say the end of this month.




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« Reply #156 on: August 17, 2007, 01:00:11 AM »
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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #157 on: August 17, 2007, 02:19:33 AM »
Darrell and ALL,

OK, I put out a good faith offer and you put out your terms. Obviously you are playing games with us; be it with or without a working design. I gave you a simple request and you did the worst thing and try to change the topic and avoid my request. I wish to now make a formal request to all to no longer work with Darrel until he makes it 100% open. Mine and everyone else's time is far to valuable to wast with you. I know others will probably want to put in there comments about Darrell right now which is OK but do not indulge this fantasy until he makes the first move and posts his proof. The comment about the whole farmer things is almost funny but in a disrespectful way. Darrell, may you see it in your heart to wise up! I will no longer work with you in any means until you GIVE up your proof.

Tim

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #158 on: August 17, 2007, 03:27:32 AM »
Hi Tim,

Does this meen you do not have the abiltity to talk on MSN.

I gave you an easy way out and you took it.

It is best to know these things about people, before getting involved. Talking with someone is an easy way to get a read on someone.

Again, if someone reading this is interested in building a machine, let me know when we can talk.

Darrell

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #159 on: August 17, 2007, 08:43:29 AM »
I really don't want to even respond to this but he is making me so irate.

"Does this mean you do not have the ability to talk on MSN."-No this does not mean that. Do not change the topic or blame to me. This forum here is simple enough to answer my questions and given the fact that you spat in my face by not responding shows your dilution.

I gave you an easy way out and you took it.-You did not give me a way out you took your chance with me away yourself. I'm giving you more credit then you deserve and more then anyone else before and your trying to get me to back out? Your so vain as to think this!

It is best to know these things about people, before getting involved. Talking with someone is an easy way to get a read on someone.-Again changing the blame to me. I am the one trying to help. Here is a simple analogy of what your doing. Say if you fell out of a boat and where drowning and needed help being pulled out. I am the one trying everything I can to pull you up and all you can do is criticize the way I am helping while your still drowning. My hand was reached out to you and you just slapped it away saying you want a rope not my hand even though there is no rope on the boat. I am going to let you drown! Your not worth saving.

Again, if someone reading this is interested in building a machine, let me know when we can talk.- No one help this man! He is turning down more then FAIR offers for help and looking for someone to finance the construction of a new machine with no proof. This can be concluded from a statement just a little while ago :

"The best thing that could happen. A farmer that would like to have their own power supply, calls me and asks me to build them a machine, that has the ability to produce over one megawatt of power. This,.. would be interesting."

I don't even now here to begin with how impractical this statement is. He wants a "farmer"  which would be someone uneducated in the field to pay(give him money up front) for him to build a machine (which has zero proof of working and loads of proof saying it wont) and tries to slip in some supposed facts that his machine could make over 1 megawatt of power which is un founded. In the last line he is trying to make you interested in something that has no interest and most likely is lies. He is worse the a politician when it comes to getting a straight answer out of him.

I have to give him credit on his ruse. Baring if he has something that works or not. His responses to everybody has almost been that of a psychology student. If you ask him a question that would put his story to the test he immediately uses advanced techniques to turn your train of thought to something that doesn't matter and get you to believe him on that point. Once he has you believing that non important point he then pulls his story back in saying if you believe that then you should believe me when I tell you this(his story of a working machine). I now believe he is 100% paying with us and can not be trusted. He also uses the technique to make you feel like you don't know anything and that he knows better so you should just trust him. I don't want to wast any more time on this. Here are my points:

1- He had made a claim that he has something that works.
2- He has yet to provide any remote shred of evidence of this.
3- He claims if you don't see how it works he is not going to tell you.
4- He asks for help and when exactly that is offered he turns it down looking for someone(usually unqualified) to blindly invest(time,money,rights,etc).
5- He flip flops on his views of helping the world one second to needing to making money the next and then to trying to get any small amount of money he can out of it.
6- He has made zero progress in any direction with his machine, business plans, anything and everything. The current status of his work is totally the same today as it was 5 years ago. There has been no progress presented to date. If you read all of his postings on this site and others that he is seemingly almost intentionally keeping everyone going in circles trying to keep anything from progressing. People are not naturally this misleading. It takes some real thought and work to keep everyone so clueless about something he is trying to tell us.
7- I really wouldn't want to work with a man if he is this deceptive and manipulative.


See, I have even fallen into his trap by responding to his judgements instead of his work. I again ask people to not respond to his comments until he had shown proof freely. I think he might be getting a kick out of watching us squirm.

Tim


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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #160 on: August 17, 2007, 06:08:05 PM »
hey guys  sorry to barge in

after numerous calculations and synthesys>>> i think i found us a way to get real free energy

>> stay tuned

i will be needing as much feedback as possible from you

lets do it together

i guess that this is the purpose of this forum anyway

i stand on grounds that >>  many of our predecessors have opened ways but they all got stuck in their single lined research thus were unable to see the bigger picture

please feel free to join in

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3029.new.html#new

any contextual input will be welcomed

thanks in advance

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« Reply #160 on: August 17, 2007, 06:08:05 PM »
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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #161 on: August 17, 2007, 07:56:16 PM »
Hi Tim, how are you today?

You typed;

I don't have a lot of time to reply here but I did want to run one more thing by you. I will sign your NDA and do everything in my powers to help you if you can provide me with the following after signing:

1) A full, detailed video of at least 2 or more rotations. With no noise besides the machine. (( The answer to your request, is NO. ))
2) Full disclosure and details of what ever it is you think makes it run.
3) If I'm convinced I would like to fly to you and see it in person for review.
4) What is the current status of the wheel(s)?
5) What do you want from me or what can I provide to help you?

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I said this on the 12th.

If you have an open mind, fine, if not, Good Bye.

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Darrel,
   What is your responce to my offer? You totaly avoided my offer when I beleive is the best offer you have reveived from a credable source. I have been kind and I'm not feeling the love! What is your answer? No one will try to recreate your wheel or give you money or help you in any more of a way then you have recieved already untill you can show a video of a clear 2+ rotations. I'm willing to sign a NDA and if convinced I'll help you. That is what your asking right? AAAAHHHHHHH! Don't make us put you on a black list on this site too. I hate to say it but this is your last chance with me!
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Don't make us put you on the black list on this site too.  Do you have that power?

Then you said,  I hate to say it but this is your last chance with me!

This was and is enought for me, Your bad side, Don't make us black list you, ( WE, Us. )

Sorry Tim, I do not care for your typing and will not read your posts.

I know you and many others would like to see the machine , with it's rotations, however I made up my mind years ago, not to show anyone else.

When I first recorded this video, I did start by showing it to an engineer. I looked through the yellow pages and found a consulting engineer, willing to let me show them the video, so they could then confirm it and the machine, so as to have a person other then myself to say it worked as described. This man was a senior mechanical engineer, who has assisted me to this day, no charge.

Take care and good luck..

Mr Vandusen

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #162 on: August 19, 2007, 12:14:29 AM »
Hi Tim, how are you today?

You typed;

I don't have a lot of time to reply here but I did want to run one more thing by you. I will sign your NDA and do everything in my powers to help you if you can provide me with the following after signing:

1) A full, detailed video of at least 2 or more rotations. With no noise besides the machine. (( The answer to your request, is NO. ))
2) Full disclosure and details of what ever it is you think makes it run.
3) If I'm convinced I would like to fly to you and see it in person for review.
4) What is the current status of the wheel(s)?
5) What do you want from me or what can I provide to help you?

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I said this on the 12th.

If you have an open mind, fine, if not, Good Bye.

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Darrel,
   What is your responce to my offer? You totaly avoided my offer when I beleive is the best offer you have reveived from a credable source. I have been kind and I'm not feeling the love! What is your answer? No one will try to recreate your wheel or give you money or help you in any more of a way then you have recieved already untill you can show a video of a clear 2+ rotations. I'm willing to sign a NDA and if convinced I'll help you. That is what your asking right? AAAAHHHHHHH! Don't make us put you on a black list on this site too. I hate to say it but this is your last chance with me!
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Don't make us put you on the black list on this site too.  Do you have that power?

Then you said,  I hate to say it but this is your last chance with me!

This was and is enought for me, Your bad side, Don't make us black list you, ( WE, Us. )

Sorry Tim, I do not care for your typing and will not read your posts.

I know you and many others would like to see the machine , with it's rotations, however I made up my mind years ago, not to show anyone else.

When I first recorded this video, I did start by showing it to an engineer. I looked through the yellow pages and found a consulting engineer, willing to let me show them the video, so they could then confirm it and the machine, so as to have a person other then myself to say it worked as described. This man was a senior mechanical engineer, who has assisted me to this day, no charge.

Take care and good luck..

Mr Vandusen


OK, now I'm really confused.  If you already have a "senior mechanical engineer" then why are you on this forum (and others)?  What is your goal?  Why do you need help?  What kind of help do you need?  If you already have this person, they are very qualified to rebuild your next device.  And if you decided years ago not to show it to anyone else, then again, why are you here? 

Do you seek funding?  Well, you're at the wrong web site.  This is a site for people who want to create a free energy device, and most of them want to do it opensource.

If you want funding, you and your engineer friend should be able to easily get investors to come see a WORKING VERSION.  And you MIGHT even get possibly an investment based on your video of the previous working version, BUT YOU WILL HAVE TO SHOW THE VIDEO. 

That?s just how the world works Darrel.  When you are the person asking for help, you are not in the position to be demanding much.  The BEST you can hope for is that an investor would sign an NDA and then you show them the video and they will fund the next device. 

Heck in my industry (computers) trying to get investors to sign NDAs is very hard, at least from the big VC funds, they just won?t do it. 

I tried to tell you in my first message.  If you really have this working OU device (or need to rebuild a working model) then you?d better get an attitude change.  Unless you have great enjoyment in the thought of taking this invention to your grave without the world ever seeing it.

I?m not suggesting you must reveal it here, or anywhere online.  But there?s no question you?re going to have to start showing it to people if you really want to see it happen (and make some  $$).

Good luck,
jeffc

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Re: Overunity, Green Energy, Powered by Gravity!
« Reply #163 on: August 20, 2007, 02:09:54 AM »
Hello Members, JEFFIC & Mr Burns,

Some answers to your questions;

>>>OK, now I'm really confused.  If you already have a "senior mechanical engineer" then why are you on this forum (and others)?  What is your goal?  Why do you need help?  What kind of help do you need?  If you already have this person, they are very qualified to rebuild your next device.  And if you decided years ago not to show it to anyone else, then again, why are you here?<<< 

The engineer I talked about has been retired for some time now. He contacted the person that took over his position and we made an appointment. It turns out that you must be a businessperson for one year, in-order for them to help in developing a new product.

I am on this forum to gain information on what to and not to say.
I have always believed, that the more information the better.
I would like to see this machine on the market, in all countries at the same time. This should keep an even playing field, or at the lest, no monopoly for any one.

To prove this machine, I need to have it hooked up to a generator, tachometer and a breaking system. I would have it start by itself and run at a steady RPM, then I would slow it down, and then let it return to its original RPM.
I need to build a machine that is of a size that will have some extra power. You may wonder why the other machines will not do. The problem is, the other machine only had about 8.5 inch lbs, and this is not enough to hook up a generator. Plus, now I know how to build a machine, with the extra power required.
It took a long time to finally get the machine to work, so to show it to just anybody is not an option.

I have talked about the machine, with people that I have had a face to face and I do not think it is very wise, to give away information to someone just over the net. I have said, I prefer talking on MSN and believe that is a good start. Conversation, will tell more about a person,then typing.

If some one wants to build this machine, then tell me what you want, for what you are offering and be ready for some questions.

Darrell


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« Reply #164 on: August 22, 2007, 07:14:49 PM »
Hello Stefan,

I was thinking, that before ending this post, I would offer you an opportunity to hear the latest explanation of how this machine works. I believe it is as strait forward as it can be.
How it concentrates the power or torque, were this power comes from and how it is used to operate the machine in the first place.
If you are interested and have the time, let me know.
You can then have the last say and let your readers hear your final decision.

Darrell

Hello Members,                  Aug 31/07

This is an addition to the post, as I was waiting until this day.
My apologies for not knowing more about the forums and their uses. I did not know about the open source forum, if I did, I would not have posted.

It is unfortunate; no one accepted my offer to build my machine, as required.
My E-mail address is known, so if you change you mind, let me know, for I will not be posting here again until I can tell you everything you need to know.

Take care and never give up on your individual goals.

Remember, allways listen to all the pieces of the puzzles, then make up your own mind, what to use and what to disregard.

Darrell Vandusen Sr

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