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Title: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on April 20, 2012, 10:00:35 PM
  A few years ago in the other forum, someone asked the question, if you could ask Bessler one question, What Would It Be ?
Myself, my question would have been, Mr. Bessler, can I demonstrate your principle ?
 And this I will do in a couple of weeks. One thing I have learned is that if something works one time, it can be repeated.
I learned this when I took classes on CATIA. It's a 3 dimensional engineering design program. Make one of something, store it in the library and then that one item can be repeated quite easily many times over. And this simple example works as well for Bessel's En Principe.
 As is known, Mr. Bessler did use 8 weights. This means that only one section needs to be demonstrated to demonstrate his claims are valid. After all, the principle can be repeated which is why it is of a perpetual nature by design.
 As for myself, I have had a life without this if you call going to the Carribean or to Russia a life. It is when I planned on going to the Ukraine that other people got tired of me doing things. Why ? I guess that goes back to my hearing loss and judging a book by it's cover. And as my father once told me, if ever I need a mission in life. What he missed was that I already had one, one that people would soon look past. And that is that a hearing loss has nothing to do with a person's intelligence. Even he missed that one.
 After I demonstrate Mr. Bessel's wheel ? I am not so sure about this. It does seem it is important where one's own interest lies, in being able to demonstrate his wheel and to know a little of what he knew and experienced or is it something else ?
 I have heard so far that the potential reward of possibly millions of dollars is what people are after. Maybe this could explain how they missed it, they were looking for the wrong thing. It is better to have a life you can enjoy. And as for me, if the demonstration proves what I believe it will, I still plan on going back to my life. Of course, this might also mean one more surgery. If so, it will be nice to go about my own life dealing with the effects of other people's negligence. As always, working past things and even learning to understand something like Bessler's wheel(s) does take work   ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on April 25, 2012, 07:52:55 PM
  One interesting aspect of perpetual motion that people often miss is that inertia consumes as much energy as that which creates it.
 A good design would cancel out inertia. Many of Bessler's drawings show potential for this using solid weights. His drawings in the 30's showing opposing weights shifting together. By doing so, the weight moving outward cancels out the inertia of the weight moving inward.
 With Mt 31, when the top 2 levers are moving upward, they cancel out the inertia acting on the 2 lower levers. http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Mt_031.gif (http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Mt_031.gif)
 By doing so, then the force of the long levers is what would be important. Also, the 2 long levers would counter balance each other to help maintain the over all balance of the wheel. Other wise, the shifting of the short levers might not generate enough over balance to over come the imbalance of the long levers.
 With Bessler's working wheel, such thoughts also need to be considered. If the levers performing the work are in a balance, then they would not take away from the over balance allowed for by using his special weight. This could be where the term free energy would apply. The energy is free because it comes about from a balanced motion that maintains an imbalance and in that, there is a balance  ;)
 
                                                                             Jim
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on May 01, 2012, 12:29:39 AM
  The concept of free enrgy has always been an abstract thought.
With Bessler, it took form. A mathematical expression, one which I
have previously posted is stated as 8ma/ma=l of which l is angular
momentum or rotation of the wheel and it's abiltiy to accelerate.
 Another way to state this might be -4ma - 4ma / ma = l
 That is to say the acceleration and resitence of opposing sides cancel
each other leaving the acceleration potential of the over balance.
 Myself, I prefer net force which is 9m + w / ob = a
 That is to say, the 8 weights plus the special weight plus the weight
of the wheel divided by the over balance the special weight generates. This
value should opproxinate the rate of acceleration. Of course, a wheel powered
by gravity most likely will not be able to rotate faster than 9.8 m/s/s or about
32 feet per second.
 Are these things Bessler was aware of ? Probably not.
 Of course, we can always speculate about what he saw in nature. because of the
numerous times he references "stork's bill", I suggest the attached picture. It is of
a stork that he might have seen. They prefer a water type habitat and are also
found in Germany where he did live.
 What everyone might miss is what happens when the bill opens and closes.
With the type of build I am doing, they act as a pump. And it could be observing
this animal in nature which inspired Bessler.
 
                                                                                               Jim
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Stork (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Stork)
 
edited to add; the 2 white storks shown are in Germany. Also, if you click on the
picture, you will see this message;
You are free:
to share – to copy, distribute and transmit the work
Needless to say, there is someone in here that believes they are an authorized
agent of the U.S. Government to enforce copyrights of any nature (notice the spin/pun on nature?)
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on May 08, 2012, 07:13:01 PM
   @All,
  I think I'll stick with Bessler's work. As it is, converting gravity into
mechanical energy requires understanding mechanical engineering. I believe
Bessler well understood this.
 An example is Mt 60, it has screw threads and what seems like bellows. This
quote from Mt 24 better suits Mt 60 which is essiantly the same concept.
"No. 24: This invention ought not to be scorned. It consists of separate levers with weights. Between the weights are small iron poles with screw threads. The poles fall inward when the levers close. There is something one must learn first before one can grasp and correctly understand the good quality of the invention."- Johann Bessler  What I think also has been missed in what seems to be bellows. And as one closes, it pumps. The inverse is also true, as one opens, it creates a vacuum drawing into it air or liguid, depending upon what the purpose of the tool is being used for.
 What screws are mindful of is the Archimedes pump which he made a drawing of. He consistently shows an understanding of pumps. Something used in hydraulics all the time.
 Of course, it would be possible to use a worm gear and shift the weights which are iron rods that have threads. And the levered weights are the motive force that operates them.
 Still, when compared to Mt 24, it seems that Mt 24 most resembles bellows that work with the opposing unit. As such, in mechanical engineering, and in Bessler's drawings, he may be trying to convey principles in engineering necessary to understand his work. Essiantly studying his drawings would be similar to taking a course in Perpetual Engineering.
 
                                                                                                                                                 Jim
 
  If you happen to notice "B" in Mt 60, it's hinged. And next to it ? This is where I think the iron poles with screw threads are meant to show a shift in balance when the weighted levers move. After all, there seems to be no place for the iron poles to fall into.
 And one last thing to consider, in 300 years, no one has noticed that the quote in Mt 24 goes with Mt 60. could be Bessler's way of seeing who's paying attention and who isn't.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on May 09, 2012, 10:46:13 PM
   @All,
 Here is a picture of a basic pump set up. It was a quick build
and probably shows it.
 I will need to move the bar the long lever lands on. Also, I'll
need to make the tubing to hold the water which will need to split into
2 sections to go around the lever mount.
 I'm okay with this as even this simple set up will help me to better
understand how to build one for a wheel. Gotta learn some time.
 It could be as early as this weekend. And what will this demonstrate ?
A couple of different things. After all, a 1 pound weight should be able
to easily pump 1 1/4 pounds of water and do it with force.
 This would also be hydraulics in it's simplest form. And something I
believe is essential to understanding Bessler's work. When i have it finished,
I will post a video showing how it works.
 
                                                                 Jim
 
keep forgetting the attachments  :o
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on May 15, 2012, 05:13:21 PM
  @All,
 One of the failures of over balanced wheels is that as has been shown, using levers doesn't work per se.
This simply means that if a weight falls towards center it does not create an under balance because of the
opposing levers behavior. I think Bessler realized this. If you look at his drawings, he did give levers
some thought as to how an under v/ over balance might be achieved.
 And this would be one of the coolest things he realized about using a fluid. For it to be pumped, it would
have to have less potential than the lever acting on it. Basically, if a lever can generate 5 lbs. or kg's of
force, the fluid would need to weigh less. An example of this is if 1 lb. or kg. of fluid were pumped using
5 lbs. or kg's of force, it would shoot out of the pump. Think a garden hose here.
 And what all of this would mean is that as the wheel rotates, the fluid would continually keep being pumped.
 And with the levers on the wheel being counter balanced with each other, it would be interesting to find out
how much fluid it would take to rotate a balanced wheel.
 
  edited to add;
 might try building an actual 1/4 section of the wheel. It would be 2 pump sections to demonstrate the basic principle.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on July 16, 2012, 05:21:01 PM
   @All,
  Silver Tiger over at bw dot com asked me about having 2 or 4 wheels working together producing power.
 What I think might be possible is that a single 12 foot wheel could develop 25 amps of power at 120 volts. This would be a 12 ft. wheel with 2 1/2 inches of depth in the channel.
 One thing I do believe would happen with a basic wheel working is that what ever museum they would want it for would probably want some of his other designs built. This is something that was done with Da Vinci.
 One thing I have been criticized for while working on Bessler's wheel is my having tunnel vision. I think of it as staying focused myself. The same person who criticized me for that also criticized me for my use of math. It was my constant use of math and having learned from what I had built that got me looking at Bessler's drawings for a design that had the potential for a lot of over balance. Mt 67 shows more over balance than anyone should consider. And Mt 66 shows how it might be pumped (to give someone a basic idea).1/2 of the wheel is over balanced. In a real wheel, this wouldn't happen but it was obvious that bellows could provide the answer because they would pump water around the outside of a wheel like a water wheel in a stream flows over the top of the water wheel causing it to rotate. I do believe this is what Bessler saw in nature that inspired him, a water mill which was used to thresh grain into flour the same as a windmill.
 
                                                                            Jim
 
http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index.php?title=MT_61-80#MT_066 (http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index.php?title=MT_61-80#MT_066)
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on July 18, 2012, 01:20:32 AM
   @All,
 Found out a friend of mine just got a table saw. He hasn,t done wood working before.
 I told him he just became my new best frienc and that I will need to get him interested in Bessler

   Jim
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on July 19, 2012, 03:13:30 AM
   Have decided to use knerf boards to form the radii.
 Will be using .125 thin plywood as laminate.
 Will be able to use .010 laminate to improve appearance.
 Am thinking 30 in. or 75cm dia.

Jim
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on July 21, 2012, 04:37:19 PM
  Will probably start building today.
 I have let Stefan know that when I am finished, i would like to send it to him.
I do expect it to work but being the first prototype, it might not. And with a model
that can show the mechanics, the necessary relationships might not be understood
as to how force and leverage can work together to allow such a design to work.
 This is where studying math would make a difference. It is as much as when to
apply leverage as it is in knowing leverage allows for an amplification of force.
 Because of this, I will try to make the levers easily removeable so that trying
different ratios of leverage and different lengths of levers might be tried.
 
                                                                                  Jim
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on July 30, 2012, 09:37:20 PM
   @All,
 With the first build, if it works as I hope, it will not be perpetual but would run for a while.
 I am making a fixture to warp boards with. I'm not sure if my dremel will do a clean enough
radius for something like this. If not, then over the next couple of weeks, I'll be prepping parts
that I'll make later on. You know, start prepping the spokes and hub.
 The wheel will be 30 inches/75 cm's in diameter and will use about 1 lb./450 grams of water.
I may go slightly heavier as I would like to demonstrate the plausability of Bessler having been
capable of doing the same thing 300 years ago. To this end, I'll probably make a tube out of leather,
I think that would make it fairly authentic. And bessler did use bearings, he said as much. He made
them out of sulphur, salt and mercury. When mixed together, the mercury hardens like silver fillings
and can be polished smooth. And with a lubricant, they would allow his wheel to roll quite e4asily.
 In his Poetica Apologia, he said without salt, sulphur and mercury, his wheel would not work.
 
                                                                                                           Jim
 
edited to add; will try to work off line from now on. between here and besslerwheel, the forums seem to have died.
 Here is a response I got from someone with a Ph.D., Re: fluid perpetual mochine (http://mail.yahoo.com/)    1 recipients CC:  recipientsYou   More BCC:  recipientsYou     Show Details (http://36ohk6dgmcd1n-c.c.yom.mail.yahoo.net/om/api/1.0/openmail.app.invoke/36ohk6dgmcd1n/11/1.0.35/us/en-US/view.html/0#)    FROM:
   David Naylor (http://36ohk6dgmcd1n-c.c.yom.mail.yahoo.net/om/api/1.0/openmail.app.invoke/36ohk6dgmcd1n/11/1.0.35/us/en-US/view.html/0#)     
TO:
   James Lindgaard (http://36ohk6dgmcd1n-c.c.yom.mail.yahoo.net/om/api/1.0/openmail.app.invoke/36ohk6dgmcd1n/11/1.0.35/us/en-US/view.html/0#)   
  Message flagged (http://36ohk6dgmcd1n-c.c.yom.mail.yahoo.net/om/api/1.0/openmail.app.invoke/36ohk6dgmcd1n/11/1.0.35/us/en-US/view.html/0#) Sunday, July 29, 2012 4:05 PM   James

      Sorry for the slow reply...I was away on vacation.

      Wow, that looks complicated. It might just work. I think you'd      better build a prototype!  ;)
      PMMs are always a lot of fun, and a bit of a passion for me.

      Thanks for the message.

      David David Naylor, Ph.D., P.Eng., FCSME
Professor
Dept. of Mechanical & Industrial Engineering,
Ryerson University,  And if you guys look at what's posted in the thread, zzzzzzzzzzz's.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on July 31, 2012, 11:18:54 PM
  Will leave you guys with this link.
 It explains in my opinion what Bessler had invented
and wrote about. I reference his writings and drawings.
 
http://besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5365 (http://besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5365)
 
edited to add; it is with these words from Johann Bessler that I started the first post.
 
  From Apologia Poetica - Should anyone wish to speculate about the truth,
let him ponder the rich pageant of words

From Maschinen Tractate - however, taking various illustrations together and combining them with a discerning mind, it will indeed be possible to look for a movement and, finally to find one in them.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on August 21, 2012, 09:35:45 PM
  @All,
 This is the Bessler build I have been pursuing. The initial work I'll need to do is to build a board warping fixture. I have decided to use 5.2 mm thick plywood and radius sections as I stack the warping fixture higher. It will need to be between 4 and 5 inches wide/tall.
 It may only be a 20 in. dia. wheel. If so, it will demonstrate the mechanics I believe Bessler used.
Simply put, I believe Bessler used 8 pumps that worked sequentially, as one pumped, the pump following was primed. And of course, the imbalance the water creates causes the wheel to rotate causing the water to pump which of course, would prime the next pump and so on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOl2dJaavS8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOl2dJaavS8)
 
edited to add; the wheel would have 8 sections that pump. And a quote from Bessler's Poetica Apologia, "All things belong to one of three kingdoms and you have the evidence before you.
Without such things as sulfur, salt, and mercury, all things will come to a standstill.
The qualities of the elements are necessary to keep things going. "
 That's how you make bearings. If silver is used with mercury, you would have amalgam or silver fillings.
 

Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on August 24, 2012, 12:32:58 AM
  @All,
 will be building this off line. I already have the thin plywood which I'll use for the warped boards and about everything else will be made out of plywood.
 Still, I know most of the regular crowd come here for good posting and not to actually work at something. Sorry about ruining for those that are only here
because they have no where else to be to hang out with someone.
 But then, this is a serious effort. One reason why a certain well respected member of this forum considers me a fraud. He doesn't believe Bessler built a wheel.
It seems at besslerwheel dot com, most members there do not support perpetual motion as being possible but say they support Bessler's claims. Seems to be a lot of that in these forums. I think it's possible but not that way. An easy way to play it safe.
 then again, might be just as well off to build my continuously flowing water and make money off of that. Of course, that's using the potential of a static head to perform work using gravity. It's about all the work such a free energy device can generate. After all, if not for gravity's effect and leverage being able to be used, it couldn't possibly work.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on August 24, 2012, 04:31:39 PM
   @All,
 Will leave you all with this thought,
 if water is filling the bellows on the right side, how could you keep it moving upwards while the wheel rotates ?
 that is a lot of over balance.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on August 29, 2012, 05:23:16 PM
   @All,
 Will buy the wood tomorrow. Just won't like working with a Dremel rotary tool.
What is interesting, to make the hub, I will need to use my Dremel rotary tool. It's
something that my router woudl be difficult to work with.
 In a way, it will be a some what spiritual/meditative thing. Have plenty of time so it
will give me something to do. The build itself is something only myself would probably
find interesting. I mean really (nothing personal), but who watches Rough Cut, Wood Smith
Shop or Wood Wright shop ? Watching people who have experience helps a great deal.
 It has taken me a lot of time to realize a good way I can go about it. I'll be building a
basic 8 weighted wheel that will make 8 knocking sounds per revolution. A description
that is well known by fans of Bessler.
 I guess won't be much to say until i get it built and I'll be taking my time in doing so.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on September 02, 2012, 04:55:22 AM
 @all,
 have been wondering the cost ov a 30 inch wheel. the main hold up on this is I will need to rent a small storage unit where I can rout parts. with something like this, I would want everything to ne square when I rput radii. better fit would make it structurally stronger.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on September 04, 2012, 07:58:02 PM
    @All,
  The first picture is of a test build I did about 5 years ago. I built it so I could test for acceleration
and conservation of momentum. it was helpful but what surprised me the most was how quickly
the wheel stopped when the over balance weight went to move underneath the axle, needless to say, it was
surprisingly quick.
 And the second picture is a modified Mt 37 where 2 levers drop lifting weights at the top and bottom of the wheel.
 It is by doing such builds that helped me to realize that water could provide more over balance and at a much
lower cost energy wise. This is important if the wheel is to do work such as what has been said about Bessler's.
 I have found that in time, I can get my idea's turned into something. I like building but I do not like someone
trying to take over my work when they are not willing to do any work themselves. As AB Hammer always said,
there are 10,000 ways to use a lever. And since i do not wish to try that many ways, I need to take the time needed
to consider the best 3 or 4 ways and maybe try those. Since this is all custom work, it will sometimes take repeated efforts
to get something done. That is all a part of developing an idea.
                     
                                                                                                                                    Johnny
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on October 18, 2012, 04:03:26 PM
   @All,
 It's interesting how pirate88719 can post that I don't build anything. I have shown some of my work but have no need to show all of it. Just as with the basic pump I built, it is necessary to start somewhere to understand what Bessler knew about pumping water.
 I do believe it is the special weight he refers to in his drawing Maschinen Tractae 20 when he said he used a special weight. It will take time to understand how to build an efficient pump that can be used in a wheel. it's not something as simple as Heron's Fountain where all you do is calculate to pressure heads using PiR^2*H = Vol. as Heron showed the pressure head with more volume will do more work. This is because volume equals mass. In the metric system, 1 liter equals 1,000 cubic centimenters. And with the American or SAE system of measurement, 16 oz.s of water equals about 28.3 cubic inches.
 Working with pumps as I believe Bessler did, it is important to know this as it allows me to know the diameter of the tube and the width of the wheel if the tube is fully expanded.
 With developing a pump that uses principles that Bessler mentioned and showed in his drawings does take time. This would be the only way to demonstrate that Bessler was intelligent enough and di have the understanding to have built his wheel.
 And myself, I see no reason why a moderator would allow me to be flamed while doing research at my expense on an obscure part of German History. It really shows no respect for this forum or the subject content being discussed in this forum. It is like they say about climbing Mount Everest, the hike up it starts with but a single step.
 
                                                                                                   Jim
 
>> And FYI, if the flow of water is to be maintained in one direction, it needs to be able to over flow the loop seal (a loop seal prevents air from escaping the chamber that water is flowing into), something they teach in school if you ever go for engineering.  <<
 With a Bessler type system, the pump itself would create a seal.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 19, 2012, 03:19:30 AM
Captain Oblivious:  (Jim)

Wow, you made some door stops.  You said you have 5 working overunity devices that will run forever.  Where are they?  How much OU do these devices above make?  Where is your perpetual Heron's Fountain that you said was so easy to make?  Where is Bessler's wheel that you said you were the only person in the world that understood how to make one?  Oh, so you DON"T have any WORKING devices then?  More lies I guess.

Stop mentioning my name in your many topics and just leave me alone.  Also, stop telling lies.

Bill
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on October 19, 2012, 01:39:34 PM
  Bill,
 I'm in no hurry to build Bessler's wheel. How much I have done, I won't make known.
 The work I am currently doing is to work on the design, construction and function of the wheel.
 By having taken my time, I have become more aware as to what it will take to "prove" it is Bessler's wheel. Otherwise it could be considered mine which means Bessler would lose out.
 And yes, I do have a specific design in mind. Even so, it will take time to make it a Bessler wheel.
 And if anyone likes, we could discuss his drawings.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on October 19, 2012, 03:37:21 PM
   @All,
  With Bessler's wheel, it is possible that one of his clues was over looked. It is said that one of his witnesses "saw" a
weight landing on a warped board. In Mt 20 I have circled where a "weitght" lands on a warped board. It is possible that
Bessler himself planted this clue and the question to be asked is why.
 If you consider his quote "Here the previous levers work somewhat more peculiarly and raise up special weights and turn outward to the over balance. For this reason side A is always heavier, my friend supposed but I denied. I then reminded him to harness the horse in front."
 - Johann Bessler"
 then we know the "weight" can rotate in either direction. What is curious about this is that the "weight' stops short of full extension. It pressing against the outside of the wheel gives it no advantage unless it has to do with lifting his "special" weight.
 When you guys go to the store, go to the automotive section and look at the hydraulic jacks. And when you look at them, look for them using a long lever that is anchored or allowed to pivot on one end. And then notice how far from the end of the lever where it pivots that it has a link that it moves.
 You will see this is quite similar to what Bessler drew 300 years ago. And after you become aware of these similarities, look for how much work the jack can perform, you know, how much weight can it lift with that simple arrangement of a lever and a pump.
 And this is the test wheel I am currently building. It will be to demonstrate that by using the same hydraulic principle, that water can easily be pumped around the outside of a wheel. And this is why I do need to take my time with it. I will even be attempting to use 2 seperate levers as bessler shows in hsi drawing but will be adding a thresher also shown in his other drawings. It just makes so much more sense using such a configuration and would allow for much force to be generated with a single lever by using more of it's motion to generate force.
 The second picture shows where if a thresher (linkage) is used to operate a pump, it can easily double the force of the long lever because it would be closer to the pivot than the end of the short lever. And with this, it is simply a matter of dividing the length of the long lever by the length of the short lever. If the long lever is as an example 1 meter long and the short lever is 15 centimeters long, the ratio is approximately 7:1.
 This would mean that the force the thresher would exert on the outside of the wheel (the pump) would be 7 times as much as the weight on the long lever. And please do yourself a favor and go to the store and look at jacks, you might be surprised how something so small can lift so much weight.
 
                                                                                                                                                    Jim
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on October 19, 2012, 06:33:46 PM
  @All,
 Here are a couple pictures of my hydraulic floor jack. It uses a lever that is about 15 inches (37.5 cm's) long
and can lift a maximum of 4,000 lbs. or about 1,800 kg's.
 I have marked in the picture where it pivots on the jack and where the "thresher" is located. With Bessler's
wheel, I'll be using 1 lb. (about 450 grams) and pump 1 lb. (450 grams) of water. Using a long lever, I should
be able to generate 10 times the force or I should have 10 lbs. (4.5 kg's) of pressure to pump the water with.
 And if pressure per square inch or centimeter is considered, the pump will be about 12 inches (30 cm's) long
and about 2 1/2 inches (6 1/4 cm's) wide. If you do the math, then 30 cubic inches would have a resistant force of about
.030 psi and about .3 psi of force acting on it. In cubic inches, it's about 23 grams of force per square centimeter being applied
to it and a resistant force of  2.3 grams per square centimeter.
 Not sure why I shouldn't expect a successful demonstration, hydraulics have been in use for a long time and is possibly an invention that Bessler missed out on because his wheel was kept secret.
 Another discovery that Europe may have missed out on (the Chinese made titanium around the time of Jesus) was advanced metallurgy.
While in his drawings he considered round bellows, again, his work was not made known. You see, with round bellows, more air could be pumped than traditional European style bellows allowing for a much higher furnace temperature. And with higher tempertures, exotic alloys could have been discovered which might have aided in the Industrial Revolution in Europe.
 So when people think of his wheel, it would have been what he knew about engineering that would have been worth much more than money, it might have changed European History in ways we can't imagine.
 
                                                                                                                                       Jim
 
edited to delete the name brand of my hydraulic jack.
edited to add; with the link to some bellows, imagine if it was pumping water.
the idea is pretty much the same and is something Bessler would have seen when
he visited his friends black smith's shop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkF8Ut46faI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkF8Ut46faI)
 
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on October 20, 2012, 03:23:24 AM
  @All,
 What has helped me with something like this is having a father lime mine who was from Norway.
 Besides having become a business manager and Field Engineer, he had also obtained his 1st Mates license with the Merchant Mariner Association.
 And I think Bessler's work is something he would have liked.
 One way to understand how much force it takes to pump water is to watch some of the videos of Heron's Fountain on youtube.
 When you do, observe the height of the column being pumped.
 Then notice the height of the tube being filled. This will give a ratio of the force necessary to pump water.
 Knowing this, all that is needed is the same ratio of force acting on a bellows type pump. A tube between 2 boards serves the same purpose.

                  Jim

edited to add: with the numbers I've been working with, the tube only needs to open to a depth of about 5/8th's of an inch. This should allow for a ratio of at least 20 to 1 which should be more than enougn for Bessler's wheel to work.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on October 20, 2012, 03:22:04 PM
   @All,
 The attached picture is the design I am working to develop.
If you compare this design to Maschinen Tractate 20, you will find many similarities.
 For a 30 in./75 cm. wheel, if the tube has a circufrence of 7.75 in./17.8 cm's (approximate).
the warped boards would need to be about 3 1/4 to 3 1/2 or 8.5 to 8.75 cm's wide.
 This would mean each (8 total) pumping section would be about 12.75 in./29.45 cm's.
And the depth of the tube (amount is is allowed to open) would be about .5625 in./1.4 cm's.
 In the attached drawing, the levers are 11 cm's long  and the shorter levers are 2 cm's long allowing for
a ratio of 5.5 to 1.
 The angle between the long and short levers would be one way to time when the most force is applied to the pumps.
Also, with the "threshers" being in a fixed position on the pump, the pumps would maintain their position which would be important.
 And with the weights, they have no under or over balance. If the wheel were built and a weight placed on it's rim, then what ever weight it would take to rotate the wheel would be the amount of water needed in the tube to have a similar effect.
 Il est vrais, n'est pas ? Schto o tebe Bill ? Alain ? Je veux savoir.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on October 20, 2012, 03:36:59 PM
  @All,
 I couldn't resist this so here goes.
The attached pic is of supergokue1's Heron's Fountain. I think it's nice when people are willing
to share information.
 What I have done is captured an image of his fountain to measure the pressure heads. What I found
is the pressure head performing work has a little over 3 times the mass or volume as the pressure head
being pumped. If these same values hold true for any water pump (not sure why they wouldn't be close),
then with a 5.5 to 1 ratio, it could be possible to have the amount of water (weight) to be more than the weight
operating the lever/pump. A simple way to look at flow and force plus there are many people on youtube who
enjoyed posting their work/research just as Vejlko Milkovic has done with his Oscillating Pendulum.  :D
 
                                                                                                                         Jim 
a link to supergokue1's video,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92tk8oB8QAY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92tk8oB8QAY)
 
edited to correct sgokues name
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: TinselKoala on October 20, 2012, 06:07:18 PM
You think it's nice when people are willing to share information? Is that why you sent me this lying PM, but blocked me from replying?

Well, I'll share the information here, then. You sent me this PM to provoke me, and you make, once again, the accusation that I and others are somehow ripping something off. Yet you still seem to have trouble with your dates and who said what. 

Here's my response, and your trolling PM to me, that you send out but refuse to receive a reply to.

:::::::::::::::::::::::

This is my answer to the trolling spam PM you just sent me, Jimpbo. I have to put it here... because you blocked me from replying, like the soft little clay caricature of a person that you are.


You are lying again and you really should stop.

Bill and I both gave full credit for our Heron's Fountain builds to the Make magazine article which has been referenced many times. My idea concerning the Heron's Fountain was to put a multichamber Zed into the bottom reservoir, which I did and showed in a video on August 24, along with the positive effects and their explanation. You once again accuse me and Bill of "ripping off other people" which is an unsupported lie. The evidence shows that you are a troll and a stalker and will not recant your lies and accusations. Nor will you actually build anything of your own to prove your contentions. Heron's Fountain has been around for a long time, and nobody around here is claiming to have invented it, Johnny, but you are making many false claims about others in your posts.


it is listed 3rd on the search for Heron's fountain and looks a lot like what you guys built, even reverses flow like you guys did.
You should let him know he's ripping you and bill and magluvin off.
 Of course, his video is about 2 years older than what you did, the evidence shows you guys can't come up with an idea on your own and don't mind ripping off other people.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92tk8oB8QAY

Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on October 20, 2012, 06:55:21 PM
   @All,
 Please ignore Alan. As you can see,. neither him notr his friend Bill discuss engineering.
This is soemthing my father told me had to tolerate from Americans. Unfortunately for them,
I am not my father and since this is not the 1950's and 60's, I have no need to tolerate their bigoted behavior.
 As you can see, they are upset that I can discuss the engineering behind heron's Fountain and this also means
how it might work perpetually. It's a simple propostion really. If the column of water performing work has a larger
diameter, it will hold more water while having less height. And with what Heron demonstrated, the 2 pressure heads
do need to be kept seperate or otherwise the 2 columns would have the same height.
 In pirate88719's thread, I offered a basic design to them if they wanted to try it and was ignored for it. I guess
I am not American enough for them. Thank God is all I can say.
 I have met many Americans who do not judge me because my father immigrated to America or that I learned to speak
in Norway. As pirate88719 told me, I need to work on my English. My friends are fine with my English  :D
 
edited to add; my father was asked on more than one occasion why doesn't he move back to Norway because he wasn't welcome in America.
What to say, ignorance is difficult to understand.
 
edited to add; since this is Bessler's wheel, anyone can build it. And if soemone is up to a challenge like this, I may be able to help with what I have learned with the work i have done.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on October 20, 2012, 08:33:23 PM
  @All,
 I hadn't taken the time to read Alan's post.
I guess next will be another one of his friends attacking me. The idea I posted for a perpetual Heron's Fountain they claimed was their idea.
 It's one thing for them to attack me, but to bring the person whose video I linked to is a new low. Will need to block him and his friends.

edited to add; if I am building this to impress anyone, it would be a gal I know at work. This is something that she would like to see. but with how much work I've missed because of medical problems, any more , who knows.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 20, 2012, 09:34:54 PM
   .
This is soemthing my father told me had to tolerate from Americans.

I am not American enough for them. Thank God is all I can say.

As pirate88719 told me, I need to work on my English. My friends are fine with my English  :D
 
edited to add; my father was asked on more than one occasion why doesn't he move back to Norway because he wasn't welcome in America.
What to say, ignorance is difficult to understand.
 
.

Hey Captain Oblivious, this one is very easy....if you do not like America nor Americans, then get the fuck out!  America does not need lying cry babies like you anyway.  Take your Socialist ass to whatever country you think is better...do it now....PLEASE!  If you need a ride to the airport, i will gladly arrange that.

How dare you insult this great country of ours.  You are scum of the lowest kind.  If you can't speak/type/read English then go back to wherever you came from.  I suggest a country that speaks gibberish fluently as you seem to be able to do that well.

Bill
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on October 20, 2012, 10:04:05 PM
  @All,
 to stay on topic, the link is to Bessler's drawings. Starting with Mt 66, the next few drawings show the
same mechanical behavior, something being pumped. With Mt 67, it shows that the round bellows on
the right are all full.
 This I believe refers to pumping water around the outside of the wheel. In Bessler's Poetica Apologia,
 to quote him, "A wheel appears - is it really a wheel, for it does not have a normal rim."
http://besslerwheel.com/writings/apologia.html (http://besslerwheel.com/writings/apologia.html)
 This is because as one German told me, Bessler said that he used tubes or pipes.
And with his wheel, the tube would be placed in the rim. This would allow the tube to stay in place, similar to a tire that uses a tube. If it had water in it, then as it rolled, the water could be pumped.
 
@pirate88719, if you can not stay on topic, please post in your own thread.
 
 
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 20, 2012, 11:06:30 PM
  @All,
 to stay on topic, the link is to Bessler's drawings. Starting with Mt 66, the next few drawings show the
same mechanical behavior, something being pumped. With Mt 67, it shows that the round bellows on
the right are all full.
 This I believe refers to pumping water around the outside of the wheel. In Bessler's Poetica Apologia,
 to quote him, "A wheel appears - is it really a wheel, for it does not have a normal rim."
http://besslerwheel.com/writings/apologia.html (http://besslerwheel.com/writings/apologia.html)
 This is because as one German told me, Bessler said that he used tubes or pipes.
And with his wheel, the tube would be placed in the rim. This would allow the tube to stay in place, similar to a tire that uses a tube. If it had water in it, then as it rolled, the water could be pumped.
 
@pirate88719, if you can not stay on topic, please post in your own thread.

Hey Jim:

FFFFFUUUUUCCCCKKKK  YYYYYOOOOUUUUU!!!!!!!  You are 100% Asshole.  You do not deserve to be in this country and living on the taxpayer's money.  Why is my money being sent to support you?  Get the Fuck out of the USA and quit taking taxpayer money that you did not earn.  Fucking deadbeat moron motherfucker.  Is that on topic enough for you asshole?

Bill

Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on October 20, 2012, 11:12:28 PM
  Bill,
 Thank you for sharing.
 I think my family in Norway will enjoy reading your words of wisdom.
 tolko govoreet po angleeskee. nekogda govoreet drugoy yizik.
 Gotcha, actually it' Russian an n'est pas is French. Il est longtemps j'etude en l'ecole.
qu'est tu parles ?

edited to add; @All, because I am bicultural and have taken the time to learn other languages I believe has helped me to understand Bessler's work.
 While Bessler himself I have heard was half Polish and half German, his work is still a part of German and European history. That and I think some of the coolest engineering people will ever see.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 20, 2012, 11:25:42 PM
Holy crap!  Your Russian and your French are even worse than your English.  Google translate said both sentences were giberish and of no known language.  It figures.

Bill
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on October 20, 2012, 11:35:42 PM
  Bill,
 More Americans are of German ancestry than anything else.
 Funny how you don't like us foreigners.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 20, 2012, 11:53:38 PM
  Bill,
 More Americans are of German ancestry than anything else.
 Funny how you don't like us foreigners.

Captain Oblivious:

I love foreigners, it is you American hating assholes that live off of the hard work of others I can live without.  Get your facts straight Johnny boy. Oh, I also have a strong dislike for folks that lie....like you do.  I have never stolen anything in my life and yet, you keep saying that I have.  You also claim TK has stolen as well.  Pretty serious lies for such an idiot like yourself.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on October 21, 2012, 12:27:14 AM
  Bill,
 Saying you like people who live in other countries is a half truth, after all, they don't live in your precious America.

edited to add; uh, bill, can you say something else besides you're an American and it's the greatest country in the world ?
 After all, this is supposed to be an international forum.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 21, 2012, 02:51:43 AM
From Besslers Apologia Poetica

"But softly! - speak softly of all these marvels,                                   
 lest the enemy grows wise!  He will drench me with his spittle                     
 so that I will lose my temper and in a sudden fit,                                 
 cast aside the mantle that conceals my wheel.                                       
 But he shall be thwarted in his desires."

Pirate hath drenched thee with much spittle using improper grammar. Saint Buzz recommends creative writing and basic English classes. Saint Buzz would also recommend anger management training or at the very minimum, an ankle bracelet.


Saint Buzz now returns to the heavens to bask in the  after glow of an ironic cut and paste.


Is this some kind of attempt on your part to express an idea or a thought?  Try backing off of the meds a little bit and give it another go.  Possibly, you might make some sense.

Bill
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 21, 2012, 02:57:41 AM
   

edited to add; uh, bill, can you say something else besides you're an American and it's the greatest country in the world ?
 After all, this is supposed to be an international forum.

Yes I can say something else. 

You are an Asshole.

Does that count?

Bill
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on October 21, 2012, 07:45:24 PM
@ jonnie874
I find your work on Bessler's wheel interesting since your interpretation of how it works which includes acceleration most helpful. Please let me know if my understanding of what you are saying is correct:

It takes two derivatives to define position as taught in physics which are:
1. Velocity - Distance over time.
2. Acceleration - Chance in velocity.

There is a third derivative which is chance in acceleration which would be necessary to define the exact position of an object that is accelerating at any given time. That third derivative is sometimes called "jerk". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerk_%28physics%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerk_%28physics%29)  As a side note, I would ignore the third derivative of position within this thread since it is hollow and brings nothing to the table.

Bessler seems to be saying that the bill of the bird is being used as a nozzle to spit the water to a different position in the wheel. From a physics perspective, he converts gravity into pressure to accelerate the mass to a new position to unbalance the wheel. If this is what you are saying, that would certainly provide some food for thought on how Bessler's wheel actually worked that is based in the intellect of mechanical engineering and physics.

If this is so, then a purely mechanical system of weights would seem impossible unless they were free to tumble and be thrown using a lever to accelerate them.

The hollow baseless insults of a jingoistic narcissist are to be ignored. Please remember not all people from the USA are this way. In fact, some of us actually know the name of our country or that "Asshole" is not a proper noun.  It is the low IQ flag wavers that think America is the name of their country unaware that is the name of a continent. You can't fix crazy or stupid, so let us just ignore it and keep moving.

As a second generation immigrant, I don't need to say to you "Welcome to the United States". This is your home and thank you for your contribution to our nation.

Now that the entropy of "balance" has been restored to the nation, the wheel and the thread, let us sit back and watch it spin some more.

Saint Buzz now returns to the heavens to bask in the bright red after glow that emanates from the freshly bitch slapped sea criminal.

   TheBuzz,
 Thanks for bringing some sanity back to the forum again  :D
Some times I wish I had John's books so i couuld read all the4 different things bessler mentioned. But one thing I have found is that to much information can keep a person from doing something.
 With the stork's bill, it does make a good pump like the basic one I built, they use same principle.
Within the concept of a wheel, it would be curved or warped and it's known that Bessler said he used warped boards.
 With what I am working on, it will be a rough build. But as long as it helps to show how the pumps work together, that will be okay. And with one tool I have thought of to build, it will help to make sure everything will be closely aligned.
 After this, I will be building a second, slightly smaller wheel, one about 25 inches in diameter. And I hope to use the same tooling to save on money.
 Some things I have found out is the layout of the wheel is one of the more difficult aspects. After all, the mechanics can't work together if the wheel is not properly proportioned. it will be the week following this one when I should be able to post a video or picture of the wheel on a stand. After this, then adding the pumps and their levers will be next.
 Sea Buzz, one thing people have over looked about the levers ona wheel like this is that as the wheel rotates, the levers will swing away from center towards the outer part of the wheel. And once again, to quote Bessler, he said that his weights got their force from swinging. And even when they are at an angle of 45 degrees, as the wheel rotates, they would be swinging downward. After all, they do have a fulcrum.
 Think of the wheel as a rotating fulcrum for 8 pendulums and like a clock, it has 2 different size hands to work with.
 
                                                                                              Jim           
                                                                                                           
edited to add; I didn't know they had calculations for the "jerk". I suggested something like that to Jovan as one way Milkovic's pendulum might become overunity. Kind of like shooting pool you know, if you cut the ball right, 8 ball in the corner pocket, ka-ching !
 
 
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 21, 2012, 08:10:27 PM
Buzzed:

Actually, the name of the continent is North America, named for the map maker Amerigo Vespucci.  The name of our country is The United States Of America, or, America in the abbreviated form.  Please learn a little history before posting such incorrect statements

Oh, and Asshole is indeed a proper noun when used appropriately, as I have done.  Look it up if you know how and where to do so.

An easy definition for you would be to look in the mirror.  That will give you an idea.

Bill
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on October 22, 2012, 10:23:40 PM
I would love to see the drawings. You referenced the drawings earlier but I didn't see a link to them. Do you have them?

Mechanical engineering is not what I am good at but I am interested to see if there is a mechanical acceleration taking place. I think that acceleration is the key to all free energy devices and would love to see a mechanical example.

 T Buzz,
 no sooner did I mention ab hammer was against innovation that he posted this in another thread. Since it's about Bessler, not sure why he didn't post it in this thread.
>>Re:  Innovating (http://www.overunity.com/12833/innovating/msg340993/#msg340993)« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2012, 08:46:20 PM »Quote (http://www.overunity.com/12833/innovating/post/quote/340993/last_msg/341073/)
                        You are ignoring this user.                        Quote from: johnny874 on October 20, 2012, 07:13:51 PM (http://www.overunity.com/12833/innovating/msg340891/#msg340891)<blockquote>  @All,
 At one time I tried discussing conservation and innovation. The 2 best ways to realize free energy. AB Hammer fought me on tbis.
 What he missed is simple things like what happens when a solar panel is placed in a green house type environment. It is possible that it's efficiency could increase relative to the ambient temperature it is exposed to.
 After all, once perpetual motion is demonstrated, something will be lost.
 And it is something I can do. But to have people and idea's immediately discredited can also stop innovation by keeping people from considering different ways that innovation can be considered.
</blockquote>LMAO!!!
Jim; 
 You keep bringing my name up again and again. You are so practiced at baffling with B.S. for you have no brilliance. First you have to truly understand balance and pendulun effect as they effect on a wheel. For then and only then will you understand why you have been so full of B.S.
 
You are no expert on Bessler Wheel. Only when the wheel is operating? Then and only then can anybody claim to be an expert on Bessler Wheel. But then you will have to correlate with Bessler's writings. (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)   <<  Hmm, once again he is wrong. I think Mt 20 will show quite clearly it's Bessler's wheel. What he wants is to be the boss while he has nothing.  Of course, there isn't much to know about a pendulum in a wheel. All somebody has to do is look at Bessler's drawings and they should understand the concept. Of course, looking at something on paper isn't the same as looking at a wheel that rotates and heck, I built one of those and watched it rotate. One thing I have found odd is how critics seem to have the most respect in this forum.
 wikipedia states that perpetual motion is not possible with our current understanding. And I always thought this forum was for thinking outside the box, you know, trying different things.
 If you look through this thread, you'll see where I have posted different pictures, some with explanations and also links to Bessler/wiki.
 
                                                                                                                                      Jim
 
edited to add; here is a link to an earlier post in thsi thread that covers how levers work in an over balanced wheel and why I like the concept of using water.
Re: Bessler's En Principia (http://www.overunity.com/12271/besslers-en-principia/msg322782/#msg322782)« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2012, 11:13:21 AM »@All,
 One of the failures of over balanced wheels is that as has been shown, using levers doesn't work per se.
This simply means that if a weight falls towards center it does not create an under balance because of the
opposing levers behavior. I think Bessler realized this. If you look at his drawings, he did give levers
some thought as to how an under/over balance might be achieved.
 And this would be one of the coolest things he realized about using a fluid. For it to be pumped, it would
have to have less potential than the lever acting on it. Basically, if a lever can generate 5 lbs. or kg's of
force, the fluid would need to weigh less. An example of this is if 1 lb. or kg. of fluid were pumped using
5 lbs. or kg's of force, it would shoot out of the pump. Think a garden hose here.
 And what all of this would mean is that as the wheel rotates, the fluid would continually keep being pumped.
 And with the levers on the wheel being counter balanced with each other, it would be interesting to find out
how much fluid it would take to rotate a balanced wheel.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on October 23, 2012, 04:18:57 PM
   @All,
  The red lines in the drawing show the difference in balance between the levers A2 and A3.
 And with the lever at top left and it's opposing lever at bottom right, about the same imbalance.
 They cancel each other out basically. But if you notice how many levers are against the
outside of the wheel, wasted energy. this is where pumping something like pumping water can
happen.
 Should have had the video oriented to the drawing, sorry.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h33LqXPCdV4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h33LqXPCdV4)
 
edited to change drawings, removed non essiential weights and levers.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on November 11, 2012, 05:32:52 PM
  A basic demonstration of torque. I will probably add more weights.
What this will do is help me to understand how much water it will take to
have decent acceleration in a wheel. Barely working won't cut it because
the critics rule the forum and it's their expertise at avoiding doing any real
building that gives them their credibility.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzIvsOhoHEk
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on November 30, 2012, 03:43:59 PM
  @All,
 Have let Stefan know I will be leasing shop space so I will have a place to work.
I am not sure how long until I will have something worth posting.
 With Bessler's wheel, I think it is something everyone will find simply amazing when they see it.
 But it does take time and I know I still have some things left to learn about building it.
 When I do post videos, I will be posting them on my youtube channel Bessler2011.

                                                                                                                     Jim                             
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 04, 2012, 03:45:59 PM
  @All,
 What I think is sad is the constant flaming I have had to tolerate. When I was trying to discuss designs with Helmut, AB Hammer and his friends were allowed to openly attack me for discussing math. AB Hammer claimed I was a psychopath because of my willingness to discuss math and has always been supported in his attacks of me.
 And yes Bill, gravity power is not considered a possibility in this forum or such attacks would not have been allowed.

 Jim
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: overtaker on December 04, 2012, 09:42:28 PM
Will you please stop all your whining!!!!!   I can't imagine a girlfriend of yours trying to break up with you.  Restraining order?  Ah never mind,  I am sure you never had one. Just STOP the crying.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 04, 2012, 09:50:31 PM
Will you please stop all your whining!!!!!   I can't imagine a girlfriend of yours trying to break up with you.  Restraining order?  Ah never mind,  I am sure you never had one. Just STOP the crying.

 edited to change content.
 Overtaker, I am the only person in this forum that is building. That is why it would be best for me not to post in this forum any more.
 Credible people don't build unless it's a proven idea like Heron's Fountain.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 05, 2012, 01:56:04 AM

 edited to change content.
 Overtaker, I am the only person in this forum that is building. That is why it would be best for me not to post in this forum any more.
 Credible people don't build unless it's a proven idea like Heron's Fountain.

Wow, we agree for once.  Go post your lies and other crap somewhere else.

Bill
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 08, 2012, 06:25:59 AM
  @all,
 tnis is something anyone can build since it is Bessler's wheel.
 I find it funny that between here and besslerwbeel.com that Bessler's wheel is conisidered lying as bill put it.
makes me wonder why these forums exist at all.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 08, 2012, 08:59:36 AM
  @all,
 tnis is something anyone can build since it is Bessler's wheel.
 I find it funny that between here and besslerwbeel.com that Bessler's wheel is conisidered lying as bill put it.
makes me wonder why these forums exist at all.

Yes, a person like you would wonder that.  No one else would, but yes, you would wonder that.  Please learn English and also, please learn how to type.  Also please learn basic engineering too while you are at it.  You are a person that does not tell the truth.  You have demonstrated that so many times now.

Bill
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 08, 2012, 01:34:19 PM
  @All,
 In 300 years no one has managed to replicate Bessler's work.
 I think it's a joke to have to tolerate constant harassment for pursuing his worp in forums for such purposes.
 I retain all rights and permissions that I am entitled to lawfully posses.

   James A. Lindgaard  (to be considered my electronic signature for legal purposes)
 
edited to add;
   Strength of mind rests in sobriety (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=pythagoras%20quote%20sobriety&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fthinkexist.com%2Fquotation%2Fstrength_of_mind_rests_in_sobriety-for_this_keeps%2F326791.html&ei=7krDUJXWHuPI0QGiqIAg&usg=AFQjCNEdgFWuziU9DVXaZvSZ-J8iRzAqsw)                                                        Pythagoras
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 12, 2012, 06:09:30 PM
  @All,
 In 300 years no one has managed to replicate Bessler's work.
 I think it's a joke to have to tolerate constant harassment for pursuing his worp in forums for such purposes.
 I retain all rights and permissions that I am entitled to lawfully posses.

   James A. Lindgaard  (to be considered my electronic signature for legal purposes)
 
edited to add;
   Strength of mind rests in sobriety (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=pythagoras%20quote%20sobriety&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fthinkexist.com%2Fquotation%2Fstrength_of_mind_rests_in_sobriety-for_this_keeps%2F326791.html&ei=7krDUJXWHuPI0QGiqIAg&usg=AFQjCNEdgFWuziU9DVXaZvSZ-J8iRzAqsw)                                                        Pythagoras

  Since I am close to having a shop again, I will start some basic design work.
I will need to make and test some actual parts to finalize dimensions and what methods will be used for assembling
the various pieces a subassembly will be composed of.
 I doubt if I will post any specific information or show any work until it is completed. This will help to prevent bored
people from trying to make a negative impact on my work.
 This will be vindication for Bessler and for me it will be an opportunity to put to use some of the skills I have developed
over time and some of what I have learned from Bessler's work.
 It should take a few months to build but considering no one has ever openly demonstrated a working wheel, this will be a first even if it is Bessler's Wheel. Kind of why I would be is Orpheus.
                                                                                         
                                                                                           Jim Lindgaard / Johnny874
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 13, 2012, 01:57:13 AM

  Since I am close to having a shop again, I will start some basic design work.
I will need to make and test some actual parts to finalize dimensions and what methods will be used for assembling
the various pieces a subassembly will be composed of.
 I doubt if I will post any specific information or show any work until it is completed. This will help to prevent bored
people from trying to make a negative impact on my work.
 This will be vindication for Bessler and for me it will be an opportunity to put to use some of the skills I have developed
over time and some of what I have learned from Bessler's work.
 It should take a few months to build but considering no one has ever openly demonstrated a working wheel, this will be a first even if it is Bessler's Wheel. Kind of why I would be is Orpheus.
                                                                                         
                                                                                           Jim Lindgaard / Johnny874

Why don't you acquire some basic skills first? You should learn how to use a screwdriver,hammer, and maybe a drill.  Then you should read books to learn what gravity is, and is not.  Then, you should try to learn English and once you do that, probably 10 years or so, learn how to type.  Without these fundamental skills you are not going to get very far.  Then, actually build something and let us know how it is going.

Bill
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 13, 2012, 02:33:41 AM
  bill,
 as I posted on my youtube channel, when I am finished with the build, I will post a video of it.
 As far as people like you go, you are only a waste of time.
 
 Bye nill

ps, y dont u get a lyphe ?
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 13, 2012, 03:23:59 AM
  bill,
 as I posted on my youtube channel, when I am finished with the build, I will post a video of it.
 As far as people like you go, you are only a waste of time.
 
 Bye nill

ps, y dont u get a lyphe ?

As evidenced by your above post, you have no typing nor English skills.  You have once again proven me correct.  Geeze, a simple use of a spellchecker would go a long way Johnny Dolittle.  You have never built anything.  You will come up with more excuses why you can't, probably blaming some guy named Alan.  You will just continue to claim other people's ideas as your own, and critique their builds even though you can even build a simple WORKING Heron's fountain.  For 4 years now, all we hear from you is that any day soon, you will build something.  4 years and ...nothing.

You are a lying, deluded simpleton  and I do not believe any words that you try to type.

Please learn about gravity and engineering, please learn English, and please learn how to type.  Leave the building to folks that know how to do it...as you have always done.

Bill
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 15, 2012, 03:47:45 PM
As evidenced by your above post, you have no typing nor English skills.  You have once again proven me correct.  Geeze, a simple use of a spellchecker would go a long way Johnny Dolittle.  You have never built anything.  You will come up with more excuses why you can't, probably blaming some guy named Alan.  You will just continue to claim other people's ideas as your own, and critique their builds even though you can even build a simple WORKING Heron's fountain.  For 4 years now, all we hear from you is that any day soon, you will build something.  4 years and ...nothing.

You are a lying, deluded simpleton  and I do not believe any words that you try to type.

Please learn about gravity and engineering, please learn English, and please learn how to type.  Leave the building to folks that know how to do it...as you have always done.

Bill

  Bill,
 Unlike your friend Alan, I have shown my builds as I built them and then discussed them afterwards.
Your bigotry gets old. Attacking me for speaking as a 2nd language should be worth a ban. But it won't
happen. It made Alan credible for some reason.
 Still, that is all you and him have. kind of why he switched to tinselkoala, protection for his being a jerk.
I think that's laughable.  to quote alan >>  Kiss kiss, Q2, your homophobia is showing. <<
reply 2028,
http://www.overunity.com/8825/pulsed-dc-transformer-with-embedded-magnets/msg270974/#msg270974 (http://www.overunity.com/8825/pulsed-dc-transformer-with-embedded-magnets/msg270974/#msg270974)
 
 then again, if either one of you knew anything about mechanical engineering but armoring is not engineering as
Alan claims it is. If it was, then he would not be dismissive about school and attacking those that took the time to
sit in class and learn something.
 
 edited to add; @All, one reason alan aka ab hammer aka tinselkoala aka lady silver rose (besslerwheel) and his step sons
Michael he has used, greyone does not like me because as he posted in musseum of hoaxes is he is a real American. My dad is an immigrant. Could be why he and Bullshit, er, bill won't leave me alone. after all, my heaaring loss can't be noticed on line but my working around attitudes like theirs towards it will show where I have spent my time learning, not attacking people maliciously because it seems to be the American response.
 Did a check of school shooting in the U.S. and they go way back, seems it happens more than people care to think.
Not sure how accurate the list is but it will probably keep growing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings_in_the_United_States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings_in_the_United_States)
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 15, 2012, 04:06:07 PM
почему ты  не навратся со моной билъ?
                                            джим
 
edited to add ты,
feel really stoopid for almost forgetting the object of the sentence, duh !
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 15, 2012, 06:29:07 PM
почему ты  не навратся со моной билъ?
                                            джим
 
edited to add ты,
feel really stoopid for almost forgetting the object of the sentence, duh !

  @All,
 have been looking at some leather and may use that for the tubes. I've talked to one
person before that does custom leather work and they said that a leather tube can't hold water ?
 It is believed that Irish Monks sailed from Ireland (could be why they're called Irish?) around the 9th century,
that'd be in the 0800's. the boats they used would have had leather hulls sealed with lard. By staying far north
which Leif Erikson did, the cold water would have maintained the seal.
 But in room temperature today, a substitute sealnt would be needed. But in a way, hand sewing something like
this would remind me of my dad telling me how he used to stitch together sails in his father's boat shop in Norway.
 For those who live in Kentucky (bill), it's northeast of England just past the Phaero Islands which are Norwegian territory
if not a part of Norway.
 it will be more work to demonstarte that the materials available to bessler would allow for such a wheel to work. And since
the wheel I am building will eb an open design, it's aesthetics will be a concern but do believe I have a good design that will
satisfy that requirement.
 Au revoir, на конець , je suis une Americain, я амерэканский
Maybe one day I'll have a need to know English and maybe I won't, don't own a gun  :(
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: spinn3er on December 15, 2012, 06:39:59 PM
Hi guys!


Hello to you all, it's been a while since I was last lurking here...


Well, the main reason for my absence was that I got banned because I call someone a "lying bastard". Who that fellow was, I don't even remember any more... Sorry.


I see that some guys have all the power now (they're either the moderators, or they're simply allowed to mock and disgrace others...)


Nice and quite flexible forum policy, don't you think? I remember that certain neo-nazi member was highly tolerated here, for quite some time.... Double standards, eh?


Hi,[size=78%]  Wilby! (- the master of "red herrings and loggical fallacies"-) [/size]
[size=78%](I still wonder why is he allowed to constantly spit his venom to anybody who he dislikes?) [/size]
[size=78%]
[/size]
What kind of moderation is this? A provocating punk like him should get at least occasional warnings from the people in power.... Instead, he enjoys his special status here. Why is that? 


Btw, Pirate, hello!
FYI, this is an international forum, based in EU, so...? WTF?  Why are you acting so cocky to non-english speaking members?
[size=78%]Did somebody[/size][size=78%] told you that you're something special here?[/size]
Lol... Just try to compose a single post in some other language... (without cheating, of course...)
Have a nice time!


Cheers!


PS
If moderator kicks this post out, i'd like to know the reasons...Please?
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 15, 2012, 09:30:07 PM
Wow, such a lack of intelligence in so few posts.

I am NOT a Moderator here...I have no idea why so many folks can't seem to grasp that simple truth.

A Moderator can NOT ban anyone...they never could so, to blame a Moderator for getting banned is not only laughable, it once again shows the ignorance of the poster.

So, I suggest checking your facts prior to making such an inane posting.  It really does not reflect well on you Mr. Spinmeister.  But, I am not surprised.

As for JohnnyDolittle, his rantings continue and still make no sense whatsoever.  He thinks I am someone else and thinks TK is someone else and, ignoring all of the facts, he continues on this path. 

If I gave a crap, this would be sad...but I don't.

Bill

PS  The only Moderator over here is Stefan.  If you don't believe me, just ask him.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 15, 2012, 10:38:58 PM
Hi guys!


Hello to you all, it's been a while since I was last lurking here...


Well, the main reason for my absence was that I got banned because I call someone a "lying bastard". Who that fellow was, I don't even remember any more... Sorry.


I see that some guys have all the power now (they're either the moderators, or they're simply allowed to mock and disgrace others...)


Nice and quite flexible forum policy, don't you think? I remember that certain neo-nazi member was highly tolerated here, for quite some time.... Double standards, eh?


Hi,[size=78%]  Wilby! (- the master of "red herrings and loggical fallacies"-) [/size]
[size=78%](I still wonder why is he allowed to constantly spit his venom to anybody who he dislikes?) [/size]
[size=78%]
[/size]
What kind of moderation is this? A provocating punk like him should get at least occasional warnings from the people in power.... Instead, he enjoys his special status here. Why is that? 


Btw, Pirate, hello!
FYI, this is an international forum, based in EU, so...? WTF?  Why are you acting so cocky to non-english speaking members?
[size=78%]Did somebody[/size][size=78%] told you that you're something special here?[/size]
Lol... Just try to compose a single post in some other language... (without cheating, of course...)
Have a nice time!


Cheers!


PS
If moderator kicks this post out, i'd like to know the reasons...Please?

  spinn3er (http://www.overunity.com/profile/spinn3er.19688/),
 Welcome Back !
I think Bill may have lost his moderator status,
>>  You have accused me of deleting your posts and modifying your posts when I have told you, I am not a Moderator in this area
Re: Why working Openly Can Be a Bad Idea
« Reply #37 on: September 05, 2012, 09:28:21 PM »
http://www.overunity.com/12684/why-working-openly-can-be-a-bad-idea/30/ (http://www.overunity.com/12684/why-working-openly-can-be-a-bad-idea/30/)  <<
 
  Notice how the quote is in this area. I think Stefan is starting to realize that some people do not support open and free discussion
of concepts or idea's that might lead to a break through. I can understand his position.
 At present, I have 3 projects I wish to pursue, 2 are over unity in nature. One is Bessler's wheel and the other is considering that Heron's Fountain has a principle that could make it perpetual.
 With such idea's, testing can be done to understand what the limitations are that engineering would impose on such thoughts. I plan on doing them, that is why I am setting up a shop again. This time, my medical problems will not be an issue but the engineering will be.
 To this end, I may be buying a truck early next year. It would both create job security for myself as well as allow me to move items my car will not.
 And spnmeister, I hope you hang around.
                                                                                                                                                                      Jim
 
 edited to add;
  Super capacitors (http://www.overunity.com/super-capacitors/)
all infos related to new super capacitors and super fast charge batteries
Moderator: Pirate88179 (http://www.overunity.com/profile/pirate88179.8844/)
Re: Bessler's En Principia (http://www.overunity.com/12271/besslers-en-principia/msg348342/#msg348342)« Reply #60 on: Today at 03:30:07 PM »Quote (http://www.overunity.com/12271/besslers-en-principia/60/post/quote/348342/last_msg/348348/)
                        You are ignoring this user.                        Wow, such a lack of intelligence in so few posts.

I am NOT a Moderator here...I have no idea why so many folks can't seem to grasp that simple truth.end quote
 bill, if you are not a moderator here, why have you threatend me so many times on tinselkoala's behalf ?
Can show those posts also. And if you wish, my Engleske is much better than yours, when it is a second language,
you people are very demanding and I have been up to the task. Could be what helped me with Bessler's work, turning
bigotry into productivity. Negative into a positive. But as Roy Otis says, bite me !
 It seems pirate88719 lies, not sure what is new.
 
edited to add, spinner, I have let Stefan know that I think it is possible that tinselkoala and ab hammer are the same person.
after all, bill's not a moderator but he is. Same logic.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 15, 2012, 11:51:34 PM
   @All,
  I have mentioned to Stefan that my having my own section in the forum might be a thought.
 It would allow people to ask questions and Bessler did want a school so people could learn some of what he knew.

    Jim

adding; 2 of 3 projects are perpetual motion. The third proect is the Exodus.


spinner, reality is this like any otner forum is a skepticz forum and will work off line from now on.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: spinn3er on December 16, 2012, 04:30:30 AM
Wow, such a lack of intelligence in so few posts.
I am NOT a Moderator here...I have no idea why so many folks can't seem to grasp that simple truth.
A Moderator can NOT ban anyone...they never could so, to blame a Moderator for getting banned is not only laughable, it once again shows the ignorance of the poster.
So, I suggest checking your facts prior to making such an inane posting.  It really does not reflect well on you Mr. Spinmeister.  But, I am not surprised.
As for JohnnyDolittle, his rantings continue and still make no sense whatsoever.  He thinks I am someone else and thinks TK is someone else and, ignoring all of the facts, he continues on this path. 
If I gave a crap, this would be sad...but I don't.
Bill

PS  The only Moderator over here is Stefan.  If you don't believe me, just ask him.
Wow, slow down, please. Hi,Pirate!
Firstly, I am perfectly aware that it was Stefan who banned me. And some of you "experts" helped a bit with that, no?
[size=78%]Nevermind.[/size]
Stefan is[size=78%] the master of the double standards, who can easilly tolerate nazis and some other extremist behavior, yet he cannot live with some personal critique... [/size]


[size=78%]Regarding the lack of intelligence - I think I might be getting senile.... Posting here, or answering you is a sign..?[/size]


(quote)
"So, I suggest checking your facts prior to making such an inane posting.  It really does not reflect well on you Mr. Spinmeister.  But, I am not surprised."


Billy-boy, I'm not surprised, either. Go lit your leds, and please stop playing an authority here... Check the facts,  ok?


Wrt. "JohnnyDolittle" (Why, "Billy-boy"? "Spinnmeister" asks..)


And - as far as I know, TinselKoala/Alsetalokin is a Nikola Tesla's reincarnation... Belive me...


Cheers!


PS Please, dont blame me for the text formatting....   
[size=78%]
[/size]
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 16, 2012, 07:03:51 AM


I think Bill may have lost his moderator status,




Ummmm.....I could not have lost that status as I have NEVER had it.  Such a simple fact but yet, it does not sink in.  I am tired of saying it time after time so, either you get it, or you don't.  My guess is that, since you think I am someone else, you will never get it.  You also think TK is someone else.  Is there anyone else that you think is someone else?

Bill
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 16, 2012, 05:28:16 PM
  bill,
 everything was peaceful in here until you found out that Stefan would be out of contact for a while.
 You and alan are jealous and have nothing better to do. get over it.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 16, 2012, 06:07:30 PM
  bill,
 everything was peaceful in here until you found out that Stefan would be out of contact for a while.
 You and alan are jealous and have nothing better to do. get over it.

What the hell are you talking about?  Who is this Alan fellow that you keep speaking of?  You are obviously seriously confused.

Bill
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 16, 2012, 08:20:04 PM


Billy-boy, I'm not surprised, either. Go lit your leds, and please stop playing an authority here... Check the facts,  ok?




Go lit my LEDs?  Did you take the same English and typing classes as Johnny Dolittle?

I have no idea what you mean by "stop playing an authority here".  Are you saying that I do not know about gravity?

Check what facts?  What does this mean?  You really should have been specific here.

Please come back when you can make some sense.

Thanks,

Bill
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 16, 2012, 09:23:42 PM
 pirate88719,
 I find it intersting that you and tinselkoala base your credibility on your being anynomous posters.
 I guess flaming people is all you guys can do.

  Jim
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 16, 2012, 09:53:27 PM
pirate88719,
 I find it intersting that you and tinselkoala base your credibility on your being anynomous posters.
 I guess flaming people is all you guys can do.

  Jim

What the heck is anynomous?  Did you mean anonymous?

I am not even going to guess at what intersting is supposed to mean.

Flaming?  Oh, like where you accused me of stealing your idea of Heron's fountain?  Like that?  You can't even build a working fountain yet you claim me, and TK stole your idea.  I posted where I got the idea from and gave full credit.  It is documented.  Then, you claim that you invented it.  That is flaming. 

I did not steal your idea.

You did not invent Heron's fountain.

You have no ideas to steal as far as I know so how could I steal them?

Your accusations and lies are flaming.  You just don't like the responses you get to them. 

Bill
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 17, 2012, 12:19:39 AM
  bill,
 one day, why don't you include engineering in your work. I've noticed that you, tinxelkoala and ab hammer avoid any reference to an understanding when the three of you post.
 As an example, this thread that I started is called Bessler's En Principia. The term "En Principia" comes from the short name for Isaac Newton's book that he published when Bessler was 7 years old.
 As such, any discussion should be about Bessler's work and the engineering principles that he realized that allows for perpetual motion,
 Yet you are trying to change the discussion to Heron's Fountain which is a different sibject all together.
 And for your information, it does not matter how anonymous is spelled because it has nothing to do with engineering. And yet nobody knows who you or tinselkoala are yet you say we should believe the two of you. No thanks.

  Jim
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 18, 2012, 01:42:44 AM
I know who I am.  Most of the folks on here know who I am. Stefan knows who I am.

That is enough for me.

Bill
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 18, 2012, 11:32:27 AM
  bill,
 when I am finished with Bessler's wheel, I am going to give Alan Bauldree of Homer, La. all of the credit. This will be in the hope that he will quit pursuing me like a jilted lover. Anyone who uses at least 4 log ons to try to win sentiment so they can control me is mentally ill.
 He wishes to be famous and I am his free ride. But you know what they say, be careful what you wish for because you may get it.
 As to who you are Bill, it doesn't matter to me because you don't matter. You are like what my rectal cancer was, a pain in the ass.

 Jim
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 18, 2012, 03:36:49 PM
  @All,
 There was a time that actual engineering was discussed in this forum.

 Unfortunately, there won't be anything to discuss once a successful demonstration
has been done. As Bill and Alan have shown, even Bessler was hated for being successful.
 Of course, the two previously  mentioned people can discuss it if they like and tell everyone that they knew they could get me to build it to prove it to them. And if not, then I guess no one will be talking about.
 And Bill, if you or alan had a long enough dick, you could fuck yourselves, then you guys might be able to get off  :o
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 19, 2012, 01:54:26 AM
  @All,
 There was a time that actual engineering was discussed in this forum.

 Unfortunately, there won't be anything to discuss once a successful demonstration
has been done. As Bill and Alan have shown, even Bessler was hated for being successful.
 Of course, the two previously  mentioned people can discuss it if they like and tell everyone that they knew they could get me to build it to prove it to them. And if not, then I guess no one will be talking about.
 And Bill, if you or alan had a long enough dick, you could fuck yourselves, then you guys might be able to get off  :o

Geeze, that is a bit rude.

I have no idea who this fellow Alan is.  I know for sure that TK is not a guy named Alan.  TK lives out west.

Bill
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 19, 2012, 03:25:55 AM
 bill,
 not as rude as you and alan trying to steal my invention. you guys wouldn't let me discuss it with anyone. slowing the fountain is something only an idiot would do yet you say I stole that from tk, what a joke.
 if alan ever opened a book, he might learn something but it is both of yours problem and not mine.
and btw, texas borders louisiana, poor attempt at hiding is i.p. address.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 19, 2012, 03:44:01 AM
  @All,
 I'll probably start a web page to go along with my youtube channel.
 Building can be expensive and does take time. For the idea's I've posted, it will take some time.
 As Peter Lindeman, Milkovic and others like them have not been expected to give away their work for free.
 Some of the tests will need to be to engineering standards to not be a waste of time.
 What is funny is I have been banned from this forum and besslerwheel for pursuing this specific Bessler build. Since it has been 300 years, the build can't be that easy.
 my yt channel is bessler2011. I'll link my web page to it when I get it up.

 Jim

p.s. I do believe I change U.S. policy concerning hearing loss as a disability but it won't happen if I don't avoid jealous people.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: TinselKoala on December 19, 2012, 07:32:09 AM
bill,
 not as rude as you and alan trying to steal my invention. you guys wouldn't let me discuss it with anyone. slowing the fountain is something only an idiot would do yet you say I stole that from tk, what a joke.
 if alan ever opened a book, he might learn something but it is both of yours problem and not mine.
and btw, texas borders louisiana, poor attempt at hiding is i.p. address.
The only bit of truth in that rant is that Texas borders Louisiana.
You cannot support your ridiculous accusation that Bill and "alan" have tried to steal ANYTHING from you,  with facts and references.
WHAT IS THE DATE ON WHICH YOU FIRST POSTED ANYTHING TO DO WITH HERON'S FOUNTAIN? The time course of events, including my videos, Bill's thread, your thread, your silly diagram..... all demonstrate just how wrong you are.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 20, 2012, 02:44:45 AM
  and yet Stefan locked mrwayne's thread because of the hate you spew.
 I'm wondering why he didn't ban you. I guess it is your forum Alan. After all, when you used your step sons Michael's account to post to me because you couldn't use your own ab hammer account. I just wonder why bill and stefan protect you.
 In a forum where perpetual motion is the goal, you are a cancer.
 of course, as ab hammer you act like you're a nice person while you discredit peoples efforts. still, in a forum such as this, it does make me wonder why stefan protects you, you have nothing to contribute. after all, a zed device is not a Heron's Fountain and this is supposed to be a research forum.
Myself, I no longer consider this a crecible free energy forum. it is one people should avoid.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 20, 2012, 01:13:21 PM
  @All,
 If you check out this post by tk, in the picture is nothing but a bumch of junk and at no time does he mention engineering.
 And if you look at what mrwayne built and had invested into his work, the spammer tk won again.
 With what mrwayne was working on, what he missed which is something I mentioned in this thread that pirate88719 and tinselkoala both ridiculed me for. They have no clue about engineering but are some how the forum leaders and can take over other peoples work.
 What I posted which tk and bill said was stupid is that if you have a surface area of 5 cubic centimeters and have and pump it into a tube with a surface area of 4 square centimeters, then what you have is a column of water 1.25 cm's tall. And with an area of 5 square centimeters being 1 centimeter deep, it is the 5 cubic centimeters I mention.
 What mrwayne was trying to do was to use 1/2 (as an example) of the elevation gained in the pressure head into free energy. What he did not realize was that when he restricted the flow of fluids to increase pressure, he was reducing it's flow rate proportional to the restriction creating the extra pressure. And since his generator was powered by a pressurized flow of fluid, it's flow rate could not be diminished to create the extra pressure.
 But as I mentioned, bill and tk have no understanding of engineering otherwise they would have said something like that but they didn't.
 Can work on my own much easier than being attacked for actually knowing what I am talking about.

                                                                                                      Bye
                                                                                                     Jim

tk's post
 Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system. (http://www.overunity.com/../../../../../../10596/hydro-differential-pressure-exchange-over-unity-system/msg346851/#msg346851)  « Reply #3413
http://www.overunity.com/10596/hydro-differential-pressure-exchange-over-unity-system/3405/#.UNL-Vr5OlxA
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 21, 2012, 07:55:00 AM
So now it's cubic centimeters of surface area?

Some real engineering there.  Um, surface area is not measured in cubic anything.  LxW.  I know it is a hard formula to understand but, that is how real engineering works.

Please read at least one book.

Bill
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 21, 2012, 01:24:21 PM
So now it's cubic centimeters of surface area?

Some real engineering there.  Um, surface area is not measured in cubic anything.  LxW.  I know it is a hard formula to understand but, that is how real engineering works.

Please read at least one book.

Bill

   Bill,
  >>  Please read at least one book.  <<
 I think that is the problem. I have read many books, have experience and have studied math and all you and your friendlies have done is post. You and tk are like a couple of mosquitos and not much more.
 BTW, since the 2 of you know engineering, why in tk's post is the only thing he mentioned is the fact that his hands got wet and he had "things" ?
  If Stefan considers you and tk credible, really is a waste of my time being in here.

                                                                                                                    Bye
                                                                                                                          Jim

edited to add;
 @All,
 These are some "things" (Trammel Points) I am going to buy so I can do a decent layout.
 I think what Bill misses is that for what I am working on, PiR^2H works just fine. I noticed
he only knows how to calculate the volume for a square or rectangle.
 I think those are boring designs and for someone with no engineering experience or not
having much of a math background, it would be a good place to start.
 But I guess by actually working at idea's and taking the time to do the math, I am well ahead
of where everybody else is and probably why I will enjoy more working on my own.
 Constant criticism from people like Bill and tk who only want to get into  pissing contest shows
they have no respect for the subject or for people like Heron and Bessler.
 I simply will not work that way.

  http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=22074&site=ROCKLER                                             
 
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: TinselKoala on December 22, 2012, 02:43:21 AM
  and yet Stefan locked mrwayne's thread because of the hate you spew.
 I'm wondering why he didn't ban you. I guess it is your forum Alan. After all, when you used your step sons Michael's account to post to me because you couldn't use your own ab hammer account. I just wonder why bill and stefan protect you.
 In a forum where perpetual motion is the goal, you are a cancer.
 of course, as ab hammer you act like you're a nice person while you discredit peoples efforts. still, in a forum such as this, it does make me wonder why stefan protects you, you have nothing to contribute. after all, a zed device is not a Heron's Fountain and this is supposed to be a research forum.
Myself, I no longer consider this a crecible free energy forum. it is one people should avoid.

So avoid it then, you liar. You cannot support any of your contentions about me with facts or references.

Stefan locked Travis's thread because TRAVIS asked him to, and the reason for that was that Travis could not answer my simple questions without admitting that he does not have any self-running machine, that he cannot possibly construct one that produces 20 kW in the footprint of a toolshed, and he does not now and never has had any real proof of overunity performance.... and Mark Dansie's report, as posted there now, confirms all of this.
And I have contributed far more to this forum than you could ever dream about.... since you DO NOTHING, you just talk about when you might be able to do something. You are so blindered and arrogant that you can't even comprehend what I am doing, or why, so it just passes completely over your head.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on December 22, 2012, 06:56:10 AM

I'm sorry but the only one who's not an idiot is TK,
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on December 22, 2012, 06:58:29 AM
  @All,
 If you check out this post by tk, in the picture is nothing but a bumch of junk and at no time does he mention engineering.
 And if you look at what mrwayne built and had invested into his work, the spammer tk won again.
 With what mrwayne was working on, what he missed which is something I mentioned in this thread that pirate88719 and tinselkoala both ridiculed me for. They have no clue about engineering but are some how the forum leaders and can take over other peoples work.
 What I posted which tk and bill said was stupid is that if you have a surface area of 5 cubic centimeters and have and pump it into a tube with a surface area of 4 square centimeters, then what you have is a column of water 1.25 cm's tall. And with an area of 5 square centimeters being 1 centimeter deep, it is the 5 cubic centimeters I mention.
 What mrwayne was trying to do was to use 1/2 (as an example) of the elevation gained in the pressure head into free energy. What he did not realize was that when he restricted the flow of fluids to increase pressure, he was reducing it's flow rate proportional to the restriction creating the extra pressure. And since his generator was powered by a pressurized flow of fluid, it's flow rate could not be diminished to create the extra pressure.
 But as I mentioned, bill and tk have no understanding of engineering otherwise they would have said something like that but they didn't.
 Can work on my own much easier than being attacked for actually knowing what I am talking about.

                                                                                                      Bye
                                                                                                     Jim

tk's post
 Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system. (http://www.overunity.com/../../../../../../10596/hydro-differential-pressure-exchange-over-unity-system/msg346851/#msg346851)  « Reply #3413
http://www.overunity.com/10596/hydro-differential-pressure-exchange-over-unity-system/3405/#.UNL-Vr5OlxA (http://www.overunity.com/10596/hydro-differential-pressure-exchange-over-unity-system/3405/#.UNL-Vr5OlxA)


you are an idiot!
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 22, 2012, 01:21:22 PM
So avoid it then, you liar. You cannot support any of your contentions about me with facts or references.

Stefan locked Travis's thread because TRAVIS asked him to, and the reason for that was that Travis could not answer my simple questions without admitting that he does not have any self-running machine, that he cannot possibly construct one that produces 20 kW in the footprint of a toolshed, and he does not now and never has had any real proof of overunity performance.... and Mark Dansie's report, as posted there now, confirms all of this.
And I have contributed far more to this forum than you could ever dream about.... since you DO NOTHING, you just talk about when you might be able to do something. You are so blindered and arrogant that you can't even comprehend what I am doing, or why, so it just passes completely over your head.

  Alan,
 All you have are personal attacks. That is why in the time we have spent in this forum I have come to understand what it will take to build Bessler's wheel and your still trying to convince people you know something.
 Still, it could be said you provide the example of how not to be but that would be a lie.
  I am the way I am because I am as salty as a sailor should be  :D
 And what was it you and your friends ridiculed me for ? Having served in the Navy and worked in an engine room. As it turns out, it was a good start and with those math books I checked out from the library, I gained a deeper understanding of how math applies to something like this.
 Kind of why I am doing what I am doing and why all you can do is cry, that's what it really is. I hope you are enjoying your crying session but after all these years Alan, it is old and busted just like you are  :o

         I know tk, you are not alan, but if you weren't you would have identified yourself voluntarily but didn't.

                                                                                                                                 Jim                             

 edited to correct verb useage
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 22, 2012, 03:42:53 PM
  @All,
 Possibly the weekend after Christmas I'll start work on the levers and weights.
 Since there are 2 designs I like, I will build both of them. Easier than deciding which one I like better.
  Not sure if I'll post my work, it just allows for criticism. Be it as it may, what I originally started with a few years
ago is nothing like what I am working on now. My previous efforts helped me to understand over balance
as a percentage of the mass of a wheel and it's potential to accelerate and decelerate. Both are important
to understand. And while people would tell me those early builds of mine were failures. They were actually
quite successful because of what I was able to learn from doing them. This includes working with wood as well as understanding the motion of pendulums rotating.
 And unlike one prominent member in this forum, my work was openly posted. Being able to pursue my work
as I thought I should has been helpful. This has allowed me to answer my own questions which should be important to me and it is.
 I think it is a shame when working openly is discouraged. It is not about proving something but finding it interesting how mechanics can work with science to allow for different possibilities. After all, when working with gravity, Newtons f = ma should be the basis of which idea's are measured.

                                                                                                                Jim Lindgaard / aka Johnny874

edited to delete the run on between sentences  8)
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: AB Hammer on December 23, 2012, 12:38:06 AM
 Jim Lindgaard / aka Johnny874

LMAO  I see you are blaming other people of being me.  This is the frist time I have even signed on since the last time I posted to you. I believe that has bee a while. LOL
 
TK is someone else altogether.  I will just check in every once and a while to see how big of Lough I may get.  LMAO
 

The real Alan  8)
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 23, 2012, 01:39:17 AM
  Alan,
 you mean there is someone else as ignorant as you out there ? VERY SCARY thought.
 but then, if you are tk as I think you might be, then you had no need to log pn as ab dumber to harass me.
 I think Stefan missed the point of being famous. people like you who only care about that have nothing but spam and a lot of it.
 add
what was it the guy in museum of hoaxes ,com told us? we'd only be foot notes in history. but that is not what you want but then, you are not like Bessler as you claim.
if anything, you shame his legacy.
Bessler deserves better and at least with me I have taken the time to learn his work.
 cry all you like but then, I AM looking forward to getting started on my build. why I will let you have the forum.

 bye
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 23, 2012, 04:00:39 AM
Any day now Jim is going to actually start to build something.  I am serious, he said so.  I know he has been saying this for 4 years but, this time I think he really, really means it. 

Well, now he said it has to wait until after Christmas BUT, then, seriously, he is really going to begin to think about actually building something.

Well, that will be the day.

A Simple Heron's fountain might be a good place to start but, I don't think he can build a working one.  If he could, he would have before saying that me and TK stole his idea and design.  So, one day he might also build his fountain design and then he can say that we stole it even though ours were built years before.

Bill

Jim is not named Johnny Dolittle for nothing.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 23, 2012, 04:18:44 AM
  bill,
 you and alan have me at a disadvantage and that is no one believes Bessler actually built a working wheel.
 After all, in over 300 years no one has managed to reproduce it. And I am quite certain that it took him some time to build as well. He wrote that he built many wheels but only 4 were made known.
 That could be why he was criticized for being succesful, people don't like being wrong.

added; uh bill, not sure how to let you and alan down easy but you two have nothing to do with why I am doing this.

@All,
 I started doing builds to help me understand Bessler's work. As it turns out, a month or so after my first build I started having symptons of what turned out to be cancer. I had complicatios which when all is said and done has caused me to miss over one year of work, yet bill and alan fault my effort.
 think it will be best for me to take my time so I can make a good first impression for Bessler.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: AB Hammer on December 23, 2012, 04:36:05 PM
  Alan,
 you mean there is someone else as ignorant as you out there ? VERY SCARY thought.
 but then, if you are tk as I think you might be, then you had no need to log pn as ab dumber to harass me.
 I think Stefan missed the point of being famous. people like you who only care about that have nothing but spam and a lot of it.
 add
what was it the guy in museum of hoaxes ,com told us? we'd only be foot notes in history. but that is not what you want but then, you are not like Bessler as you claim.
if anything, you shame his legacy.
Bessler deserves better and at least with me I have taken the time to learn his work.
 cry all you like but then, I AM looking forward to getting started on my build. why I will let you have the forum.

 bye
Igonorant ?
.
I am not the one blaming others of being someone else and believing it. LMAO
.
Quote
bill,
 you and alan have me at a disadvantage and that is no one believes Bessler actually built a working wheel.
.
If I didn't believe Bessler built the wheel? I would most likely not be in this game anymore. But as Bessler said there are more ways to achieve self running. So when a wheel is done and understood. There is still no way to call or prove it to be Bessler's wheel. But you can call it a Bessler like wheel being a self running wheel.
.
Alan

 
 
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: AB Hammer on December 24, 2012, 01:12:50 AM
  alan,
 just a friendly reminder but you posted in besslerwheel in the fraud section of the forum that I am the ultimate fraud because I had cancer
 it seems that tk agrees with you.
Jim
.
You are the ultimate fraud. For all the sign ins you have use (not to metion some of your claims), which I have lost count of, and I can no longer care less.
.
(Your claimed cancer had nothing to do with anything except in your head.) Only you, and as you can see even without me here you are still being called down on your claims and mannerisum. You need to do some talking to the man in the mirror, and be honest. 2013 is a new year and the Mayan calender is done, and and the world didn't end. So lets all start a new, and leave the bull $#!+ in the past.
.
Myself, I am on a new venture of converting over to custom bike building ( I am still building armor of couse ). Over the next couple of years, to qualify and inter a build at Sturgis, in the world compitition. Even placing in it is a great honor. I am already doing custom ignition covers designed for a Harly Davidson. I have 11 more to do at this time after they got the first ones. Simi retirement has opened up a lot of things I have wanted to do. ;)  Including more expensive type builds for the Bessler type wheels.
.
Have a Marry Christmas and a happy new year!
Alan
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on December 24, 2012, 01:17:02 PM
   @All,
  This is the video where ab hammer thinks I need a new stand. he missed the point just as tinselkoala and pirate88719 have.
 What I explained to Stefan because he was willing to listen is that the weight rotating the wheel is the equivalent of about 5% of the gross weight of the wheel.
 The stand itself works just fine. What is missed is when the wheel stops rotating that it has sufficient torque to over come the center of mass being shifted by 3.5 inches by the stand.
 This means that 5 weights are to one side of the edge of the stand that the wheel is using as a fulcrum and 3 1/2 weights on the "under balanced: side. Simply put, 3 1/2 weights do not have more potential than 5 weights.
 But since their potential was converted to torque, they do as demonstrated in the video.
  So, when ab hammer says that all people like him, tinselkoala and pirate88719 have been calling me out, they have been over looking a physical demonstration of gravity being converted into torque.
 And if you check out the other videos I have made, one is called Bessler's Shooting Weight ?
The water being pumped out is about the same mass as the weight performing the work.
 It does take time to put both idea's into one working wheel. This is why Stefan hasn't banned me even though his moderator seems to want that and pirate88719 IS a moderator at overunity.com. What I think Stefan does not realize is that his moderators are willing to abuse their position and the trust he places in them.
 Of course, I am banned at besslerwheel.com for this very work I am doing.

                                                                                                                 Johnny874

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzIvsOhoHEk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzIvsOhoHEk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOl2dJaavS8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOl2dJaavS8)

edited to add; @All,
 I hope all of you are able to enjoy your Christmas Holiday.

 Myself, I will be able to enjoy and what will help is being able to relax and know in time I will be able to build what I believe to be Bessler's wheel. To this end, the shop space I was going to rent, I will be able to.
 And I will also be able to afford to buy some of the things I will need to set up a shop to work in.
 I am not sure if I will post the build because it will be time consuming and might not make for a good discussion.

                                                                                                                    Jim
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 24, 2012, 10:03:18 PM
I am not a Moderator here.

OK, this is like the 10,000 time I have had to tell you this.  Are you really this thick?

More lies.  More lies.  That is all you know how to do.

Folks here know the truth which is why you have no respect here at all.  You never will unless you quit telling all of your lies.

Oh, you should probably actually try to build something too.

Bill (NOT a Moderator as all can see)
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 25, 2012, 07:56:35 AM
BTW I googled En Principia and it shows an error just as I thought.  No such thing.  Newton's book was not titled like this.

I am not surprised.

I supposed you do not realize the gravity of this situation?

Bill
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: hartiberlin on December 25, 2012, 08:35:33 PM
I deleted some postings due to Jim´s offtopic and accusation postings
and some respones, cause all was offtopic.

Also he is now moderated and I will let only posts through that are ontopic and
don´t have any flames and attacks in them.

Regards, Stefan.(admin)
P.S. @Jim,
I am the only moderator on this thread, so nobody else can delete your postings !
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on February 17, 2013, 03:36:00 PM
  @All,
  If pirate88719 had googled Newton plus  En Principia as he claims he did in his laxt post, he would have found out that the full name of Newton's book is Philosophae Nzturalis Principia Mathematica.
 I think it is sad that pirate88719 has to lie so openly to try and discredit me.

  Jim

 what Bill/pirate88719 posted;
  Re: Bessler's En Principia (http://www.overunity.com/../../../../msg349105/#msg349105)  « Reply #95 on: December 25, 2012, 01:56:35 AM » Quote (http://www.overunity.com/../../quote/349105/last_msg/349153/)
  You are ignoring this user.  BTW I googled En Principia and it shows an error just as I thought.  No such thing.  Newton's book was not titled like this.

I am not surprised.

  What a google search actually shows;
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=newton+en+principia&oq=newton+en+principia&gs_l=hp.3..0i22l4.1826.13772.0.14090.21.19.1.1.1.0.174.2488.0j19.19.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.3.psy-ab.8GSVqduqyQk&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.42553238,d.aWM&fp=650e83a55f34ea61&biw=1280&bih=921 (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=newton+en+principia&oq=newton+en+principia&gs_l=hp.3..0i22l4.1826.13772.0.14090.21.19.1.1.1.0.174.2488.0j19.19.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.3.psy-ab.8GSVqduqyQk&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.42553238,d.aWM&fp=650e83a55f34ea61&biw=1280&bih=921)

first hit or item listed;
Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica - Wikipedia, the free ... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophi%C3%A6_Naturalis_Principia_Mathematica)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophiæ_Naturalis_Principia_Mathematica

  As I mentioned, it is sad when someone has to out right lie to try and discredit someone. But as I have found, that in a wood working forum I did realize how cool of a hobby this can be. It was nice seeing what other people did with wood.
 And this week, I will be doing design work because things have improved for me, both with my health and being able to think about the joy I will have from taking some pride in the work I will be doing and being able to enjoy doing it.

http://bessler2011.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 18, 2013, 03:27:42 AM
  @All,
  If pirate88719 had googled Newton plus  En Principia as he claims he did in his laxt post, he would have found out that the full name of Newton's book is Philosophae Nzturalis Principia Mathematica.
 I think it is sad that pirate88719 has to lie so openly to try and discredit me.

  Jim

 what Bill/pirate88719 posted;
  Re: Bessler's En Principia (http://www.overunity.com/../../../../msg349105/#msg349105)  « Reply #95 on: December 25, 2012, 01:56:35 AM » Quote (http://www.overunity.com/../../quote/349105/last_msg/349153/)
  You are ignoring this user.  BTW I googled En Principia and it shows an error just as I thought.  No such thing.  Newton's book was not titled like this.

I am not surprised.

  What a google search actually shows;
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=newton+en+principia&oq=newton+en+principia&gs_l=hp.3..0i22l4.1826.13772.0.14090.21.19.1.1.1.0.174.2488.0j19.19.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.3.psy-ab.8GSVqduqyQk&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.42553238,d.aWM&fp=650e83a55f34ea61&biw=1280&bih=921 (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=newton+en+principia&oq=newton+en+principia&gs_l=hp.3..0i22l4.1826.13772.0.14090.21.19.1.1.1.0.174.2488.0j19.19.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.3.psy-ab.8GSVqduqyQk&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.42553238,d.aWM&fp=650e83a55f34ea61&biw=1280&bih=921)

first hit or item listed;
Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica - Wikipedia, the free ... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophi%C3%A6_Naturalis_Principia_Mathematica)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophiæ_Naturalis_Principia_Mathematica

  As I mentioned, it is sad when someone has to out right lie to try and discredit someone. But as I have found, that in a wood working forum I did realize how cool of a hobby this can be. It was nice seeing what other people did with wood.
 And this week, I will be doing design work because things have improved for me, both with my health and being able to think about the joy I will have from taking some pride in the work I will be doing and being able to enjoy doing it.

http://bessler2011.blogspot.com/ (http://bessler2011.blogspot.com/)

I was correct..  That which you have posted was NOT the title of his book.  Any questions?  Any one can look that up to see that I am correct.  You just proved it with your posting.  Please learn English and then learn how. to type before posting.  "En Principia" does not exist anywhere....much less written by Newton.

Bill
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on February 18, 2013, 01:24:38 PM
I was correct..  That which you have posted was NOT the title of his book.  Any questions?  Any one can look that up to see that I am correct.  You just proved it with your posting.  Please learn English and then learn how. to type before posting.  "En Principia" does not exist anywhere....much less written by Newton.

Bill

  Bill,
 You are nothing short of a liar. You need to take the time to learn something at some point. The short name for his book is Principalis, easy for reference purposes. And you know what is even funnier, the answer Principalis was also used as a question on Jeopardy.
 And there is nothing wrong with my using the phrase Bessler's En Principia in referencing Newton's book. I didn't take Latin in school, sorry.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on February 18, 2013, 11:52:34 PM
  @All,
 Took my tools back to my shop. It is climate controlled by the great out doors.
Did a little work on my warping fixture and it was nice being able to route at a good depth.
 With the temperature in the mid 50's (about 10C.), it made for pleasant working conditions.
 Of course, since I am doing all design work, developmental testing and fabrication myself, not
sure where soemone who is not building something can call me out like my critics have. And following
instructions from a magazine on how to build a Heron's fountain does not count, sorry pirate88719.
 I do need to stay on budget, fact of life.
 
                                                                                                              Jim
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 19, 2013, 01:34:17 AM
  Bill,
 You are nothing short of a liar. You need to take the time to learn something at some point. The short name for his book is Principalis, easy for reference purposes. And you know what is even funnier, the answer Principalis was also used as a question on Jeopardy.
 And there is nothing wrong with my using the phrase Bessler's En Principia in referencing Newton's book. I didn't take Latin in school, sorry.

Why am I a liar because you did not take Latin and have made a serious mistake in the use of language?  I am correct so therefore that makes me a liar?

I can not follow such a lack of logic, sorry.

Bill
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on February 19, 2013, 06:18:28 PM
Why am I a liar because you did not take Latin and have made a serious mistake in the use of language?  I am correct so therefore that makes me a liar?

I can not follow such a lack of logic, sorry.

Bill

  Bill,
 What's it like being a bigot ?
 And Bill, the only reason Stefan has tolerated my being harassed is because I am the only person who said they could build Bessler's wheel and he doesn't think it's possible. he is palying it on the gauranteed side of things, it is supposed to be impossible, right ?
 
                                                                                                                              Jim
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 20, 2013, 01:56:10 AM
  Bill,
 What's it like being a bigot ?
 And Bill, the only reason Stefan has tolerated my being harassed is because I am the only person who said they could build Bessler's wheel and he doesn't think it's possible. he is palying it on the gauranteed side of things, it is supposed to be impossible, right ?
 
                                                                                                                              Jim

So you make an error and now I am both a liar and a bigot?  You make such foolish posts that you are harassing yourself.  let me know when you actually build something.
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: johnny874 on February 22, 2013, 05:00:11 PM
So you make an error and now I am both a liar and a bigot?  You make such foolish posts that you are harassing yourself.  let me know when you actually build something.

 Have been over the last couple of years. Kind of funny how you and your friends missed that.
 Still, it's how I got to where I am today and why I am pursuing the build I am. You know, the
road less travelled. what do they call it ? Oh yeah, I remember now, they call it reinventing the wheel.
 Not like your Heron's Fountain which is a well travelled road. Nothing against Heron, just you.
http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae278/bessler_supporter/Bessler/Picture0061.jpg (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae278/bessler_supporter/Bessler/Picture0061.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Bessler's En Principia
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 23, 2013, 04:19:10 AM
Ummm....what?  Was that supposed to make sense?